Conversation with an Egyptian socialist

[redsocialist]

http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/23/interview-with-egyptian-socialist
Nationalize Mubaraks big-business assets under workers' control
:yep:

[Dan D]

http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/23/interview-with-egyptian-socialist
Nationalize Mubaraks big-business assets under workers' control
:yep:


The Socialist Party of Texas (SPTX) salutes you, comrades in Egypt!:

http://www.socialistpartyoftx.org/2011/02/socialism-and-spirit-of-tahrir-square.html

"...We send greetings to the working people of Egypt on the day of their
victorious struggle to depose the dictator Hosni Mubarak. Their
grassroots movement provides definitive proof to the world that radical
political activity can change the course of history.

...We are inspired by the example provided by this mass revolt of
the Egyptian people...

...As socialists located in the US, we pledge to continue to do our part in the
international struggle for socialism. We see our own political activity
as a part of the larger international movement for jobs, peace and
freedom. As a part of a Socialism for the 21st Century! ...

in Texas, Yihaa!

[August]

This is how I feel about Socialists:

http://washedit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/600px-anti-socialist-symbolsvg.png

[Respenus]

August, you are a smart guy, yet I never understood why you and some other members on these fine forums cannot distinguish between socialism, communism and for example, stalinism. I realise that you were brought up in the context of the cold war and the bad commie and that McCarthy did something every other ideology has dreamt of, that is, convince not only the current, but future generations that what you say is the truth, is the truth, no questions asked. Now, am I not generalising this on all Americans and I know some who are quite European left-wing, yet I still cannot wrap my head around this stubborn resistance.

Yes, what was done in the name of socialism is despicable and like all ideologies, it can and will be used to promote the interests of a tiny elite, but this is what's important, capitalism is just as prone to corruption and power grabbing as socialism and can just as well limit human right as any Marxist-Leninist regime can. We, if we truly follow the virtues of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity, must fight all who wish to limit them, be it from the left or the right.

[nikimcbee]

http://davno.ru/img/posters/propaganda1/poster_01_21.jpg


As subsim zampolit, your attitude August, has been noted.

[redsocialist]

The Socialist Party of Texas (SPTX) salutes you, comrades in Egypt!:


in Texas, Yihaa!


Solidarity comrade! The revolution is coming all over the world!

[nikimcbee]

I vote for national socialism. They make a better highway system.:woot:

[redsocialist]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2371/2401982029_3240b5aa2f_o.jpg
:yep:

[Gerald]

This is how I feel about Socialists:

http://washedit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/600px-anti-socialist-symbolsvg.png :agree:

[Schroeder]

I vote for national socialism. They make a better highway system.:woot:
And these lovely holiday camps....:roll:

[redsocialist]

I vote for national socialism. They make a better highway system.:woot:

So I think you mean nationalist socialism, where assets are produced to the needs of the country such as a country like Venezuela. Not national socialism, which is Nazism, which is fascism not socialism.
:up:

[August]

August, you are a smart guy, yet I never understood why you and some other members on these fine forums cannot distinguish between socialism, communism and for example, stalinism

Whenever someone on the internet says you're a smart guy it's usually followed by a lengthy diatrabe about how stupid you are. :DL

Seriously, no offense to you, but the way I see it Socialism is just a happy face disguise for Communism until it has cemented it's hold on power enough to turn into full Stalinism. I'd much rather have two parties eternally gridlocked in political battle than one party efficiently eliminating my right to self determination.

[redsocialist]

Capitalism explained:

http://www.erzwiss.uni-hamburg.de/Personal/Lohmann/Materialien/capyr.jpg

[Gerald]

So I think you mean nationalist socialism, where assets are produced to the needs of the country such as a country like Venezuela. Not national socialism, which is Nazism, which is fascism not socialism.
:up:After you've Mikhail Bakunin, Russian Anarchist in your signature, what is then your fundamental political value out :hmmm:

[Respenus]

Whenever someone on the internet says you're a smart guy it's usually followed by a lengthy diatrabe about how stupid you are. :DL

Seriously, no offense to you, but the way I see it Socialism is just a happy face disguise for Communism until it has cemented it's hold on power enough to turn into full Stalinism. I'd much rather have two parties eternally gridlocked in political battle than one party efficiently eliminating my right to self determination.

Now that you have pointed it out, it did sound pretentious and I do apologise. While I cannot completely agree with you (just look at European socialist or social-democratic parties and how many of them embrace and actively promote democracy (let's just leave immigration, identity and Muslims out of the discussion for now, lest we attract you know who :03:)), I take into account your specific point of view. That only thing I wanted to point out for the umpteenth time is that you should be wary of putting everything in the same basket and that the discussion should be more about human rights (another long discussion, which is better left alone for the clarity of this thread) than about ideology and the realisation that not everything on the left is glorious and that not everything on the right ensures the survival of human liberties.

That is all.

[nikimcbee]

Here August, let's get some lobsta traps, some troll bait and go catch us some trolls for dinner.:yeah::woot:

[the_tyrant]

http://liveforfilms.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/red-dawn-remake-set-photos-1.jpg
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/09/phoca_thumb_l_propaganda_1.jpg

[Oberon]

Haven't done one of these in a while...

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/057/463/original/I_like_where_this_thread_is_going.jpg?1278193007

[August]

Here August, let's get some lobsta traps, some troll bait and go catch us some trolls for dinner.:yeah::woot:

Cool! Got my bait right here: "McCarthy was right. Alger Hiss was a dirty KGB spy!" :salute:

[redsocialist]

After you've Mikhail Bakunin, Russian Anarchist in your signature, what is then your fundamental political value out :hmmm:

I am very open minded to all idealogies. Workers control over production is an ideal of anarchism and socialism. In Venezuela this is practiced, via indepently or through the state. The same in Argentina which is directly indepent through syndicalits

[redsocialist]

http://liveforfilms.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/red-dawn-remake-set-photos-1.jpg
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/09/phoca_thumb_l_propaganda_1.jpg

:yawn:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RNfSKYQRrDE/SjaZ2WY2lqI/AAAAAAAAADg/0dLAJdKJh5g/s400/ISTHIS1.jpg
:yep:

LMAO China already owns USA, and Americans have barley any manfacturing are in 14 trillion debt, and still borrowing from China... Ohh the Irony of that movie... The freedom really has been a lie though.

[Penguin]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/09/phoca_thumb_l_propaganda_1.jpg

Cool, where can I hire them?
They seem to be the modern version of the Heinzelmännchen :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinzelm%C3%A4nnchen

(what does the character inside the star mean?)

[Gerald]

On paper everything looks good but in reality is quite different from those countries which you describe, you have an approach that does not go with a planned economy of the countries want to develop without vocational, supervision and transparency

[Takeda Shingen]

Capitalism explained:

http://www.erzwiss.uni-hamburg.de/Personal/Lohmann/Materialien/capyr.jpg

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4862/633607470680331650troll.jpg

[frau kaleun]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_A2J-AA6uyY8/S9lkdP4fqUI/AAAAAAAAGTM/shlL9_osQsA/S1600-R/groucho_marx_marxism_ohp_postcard-p239361244071807990trah_210.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1172/3166642638_c1ed357ba6.jpg

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1003/marxism-groucho-marx-political-poster-1267548512.jpg

[the_tyrant]

Cool, where can I hire them?
They seem to be the modern version of the Heinzelmännchen :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinzelm%C3%A4nnchen

(what does the character inside the star mean?)

Its from the (not yet released) remake of red dawn
China attacks the US

the 八一inside the star means eight one, or august first
it's army day in China, the day the PLA was created
its now used as a symbol or "brand" of the PLA

[Penguin]

Its from the (not yet released) remake of red dawn
China attacks the US

the 八一inside the star means eight one, or august first
it's army day in China, the day the PLA was created
its now used as a symbol or "brand" of the PLA

ahh, thanks!
looking forward to the movie, so this time it's China, not Cuba...

[redsocialist]

lol americans:rotfl2:

[frau kaleun]

lol people with a sense of humor:rotfl2:

Fixed. :up:

[nikimcbee]

Its from the (not yet released) remake of red dawn
China attacks the US

the 八一inside the star means eight one, or august first
it's army day in China, the day the PLA was created
its now used as a symbol or "brand" of the PLA


So you're saying August is a chinese communist:hmmm: ....And he lives in MA! It all makes sense now. ...and lobstahs are red when they are cooked!:hmmm:

Where's Mccarthy when you need him?

[the_tyrant]

So you're saying August is a chinese communist:hmmm: ....And he lives in MA! It all makes sense now. ...and lobstahs are red when they are cooked!:hmmm:

Where's Mccarthy when you need him?

:):DL:D:haha::har::rotfl2::dead:

[redsocialist]

:):DL:D:haha::har::rotfl2::dead:

LOL

[nikimcbee]

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/lenin/Shakedown_Soc_Cover_240.png

http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/image/composition/1629225/view/1/producttypecolor/2/type/png/width/280/height/280

[August]

So you're saying August is a chinese communist:hmmm: ....And he lives in MA! It all makes sense now. ...and lobstahs are red when they are cooked!:hmmm:

Where's Mccarthy when you need him?

You think that you actually spent the weekend at my place touring old Navy ships? Mwahahahaha!

http://humanflowerproject.com/images/uploads/manchurianbored-frank320.jpg

Don't make me Manchurian Candidate your ass. :O:

[frau kaleun]

So you're saying August is a chinese communist:hmmm: ....And he lives in MA! It all makes sense now. ...and lobstahs are red when they are cooked!:hmmm:


That's impossible, as everyone who has responded to this thread in a state of less than total awestruck agreement with the OP is clearly American. And that includes all you Germans, Brits, Canadians and Swedes. :yep:

Otherwise we would be smart and politically savvy enough to recognize Teh Truth when he provides it. :O:

[Oberon]

You think that you actually spent the weekend at my place touring old Navy ships? Mwahahahaha!

http://humanflowerproject.com/images/uploads/manchurianbored-frank320.jpg

Don't make me Manchurian Candidate your ass. :O:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua94OV9Ter8

[TFatseas]

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.TAB1.GIF

I'd rather be dead than red.:03:

Then again, looking at the chart, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference.:hmmm:

[nikimcbee]

You think that you actually spent the weekend at my place touring old Navy ships? Mwahahahaha!

http://humanflowerproject.com/images/uploads/manchurianbored-frank320.jpg

Don't make me Manchurian Candidate your ass. :O:

Wait a minute! That makes me a fellow traveller then!?!
The Russian degree?
The fur hat?

I do like Migs too....

OMG, we need an intervention.

[frau kaleun]

Wait a minute! That makes me a fellow traveller then!?!
The Russian degree?
The fur hat?

I do like Migs too....

OMG, we need an intervention.

*pats NikiMcBee on the head*

Just relax, son, it'll be fine.

Now... why don't you pass the time by playing a little solitaire?

[nikimcbee]

communist revolution:

(tips for your next party by the Frau:D)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zduKIF5Mo0k

[redsocialist]

communist revolution:

(tips for your next party by the Frau:D)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zduKIF5Mo0k

i saw this a hundred times its stupid -.-

[redsocialist]

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.TAB1.GIF

I'd rather be dead than red.:03:

Then again, looking at the chart, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference.:hmmm:

LMAO what a joke, and a pathetic one at that. All of those countries you listed, Amerika has been in involving war crimes, usualy supporting/propping up anti-communist dictators, so US corporations can run wild and rape they're resources. Sorry but you can't use death as an excuse against communism, as capitalism has proven to caused the most suffering, disease, poverty, murder and oppression the world has ever seen.

CIA/US-Backed Dictatorships good for business

Abacha, General Sani ----------------------------Nigeria
Amin, Idi ------------------------------------------Uganda
Banzer, Colonel Hugo ---------------------------Bolivia
Batista, Fulgencio --------------------------------Cuba
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal ----------------------------Brunei
Botha, P.W. ---------------------------------------South Africa
Branco, General Humberto ---------------------Brazil
Cedras, Raoul -------------------------------------Haiti
Cerezo, Vinicio -----------------------------------Guatemala
Chiang Kai-Shek ---------------------------------Taiwan
Cordova, Roberto Suazo ------------------------Honduras
Christiani, Alfredo -------------------------------El Salvador
Diem, Ngo Dihn ---------------------------------Vietnam
Doe, General Samuel ----------------------------Liberia
Duvalier, Francois --------------------------------Haiti
Duvalier, Jean Claude-----------------------------Haiti
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King ---------------------Saudi Arabia
Franco, General Francisco -----------------------Spain
Hitler, Adolf ---------------------------------------Germany
Hassan II-------------------------------------------Morocco
Marcos, Ferdinand -------------------------------Philippines
Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernandez ---El Salvador
Mobutu Sese Seko -------------------------------Zaire
Noriega, General Manuel ------------------------Panama
Ozal, Turgut --------------------------------------Turkey
Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza ---------------Iran
Papadopoulos, George --------------------------Greece
Park Chung Hee ---------------------------------South Korea
Pinochet, General Augusto ---------------------Chile
Pol Pot---------------------------------------------Cambodia
Rabuka, General Sitiveni ------------------------Fiji
Montt, General Efrain Rios ---------------------Guatemala
Salassie, Halie ------------------------------------Ethiopia
Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira --------------------Portugal
Somoza, Anastasio Jr. --------------------------Nicaragua
Somoza, Anastasio, Sr. -------------------------Nicaragua
Smith, Ian ----------------------------------------Rhodesia
Stroessner, Alfredo -----------------------------Paraguay
Suharto, General ---------------------------------Indonesia
Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas -----------------------Dominican Republic
Videla, General Jorge Rafael ------------------Argentina
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed ----------------------Pakista

Thats right, Adolf Hitler, upon a book. Read IBM and the Holocaust.
As for those killed by capitalism?

well......

Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism, and fascism is capitalism in decay.

1.6 Billion Murdered

Second Boer War 75,000
Japanese Massacre of Singapore 100,000
Burma-Siam Railroad Construction 116,000
Japanese Germ Warfare in China 200,000
Rebelling Shia Killed by Saddam 300,000
US Bombing of Yugoslavia 300,000
US Bombing Iraq Water Supply '91 500,000
US Civil War 700,000
Iraq-Iran War 1,000,000
US sanctions on Iraq 1,000,000
US Backed Suharto 1,200,000
Irish Potato Famine 1,500,000
Japanese Democides 5,964,000
Famine of 1932-33 7,000,000
Bengal Famine of 1943 10,000,000
Famine in British India 30,000,000
US Intervention in the Congo 5,000,000
Hurricane Katrina 1,836
Indonesian Anti-Com. Purge 1,000,000
Stateless Capitalist Somalia 1,000,000
Industrial Revolution USA 100,000
1898 US War vs Philippine 3,000,000
Palestinians Killed by Israel 826,626
Guatemala 300,000
Nanking Massacre 300,000
Iraq (Selling Gas to Saddam) 400,000
Iraq (Desert Storm) 500,000
Invasion of the Philippines 650,000
Feudal Russia 1,066,000
Afghanistan 1,200,000
Iraq 1,300,000
Khmer Rouge 2,035,000
South African Apartheid 3,500,000
Nazi Holocaust 12,000,000
US Aggression on Latin America 6,000,000
Japanese Imperialism 6,000,000
Vietnam War - including Cambodia & Laos 10,000,000
Korean War 10,000,000
British Occupation of India 20,000,000
Great Depression (America alone) 12,000,000
World War One 16,500,000
World War Two 60,000,000
Native American Genocide 95,000,000
Capitalist Policy in India 1947 - 1990 120,000,000
African Slave Trade 150,000,000
US Backed murder of Tamils 30,000
Spanish-American War 100,000
Spanish Civil War 400,000
Union Carbide Bophal Disaster 15,000
Massacre of Paris Commune 20,000
First Indochina 1946-1954 1,500,000
Belgian Congo Colonization 1,000,000
French Madagascar 80,000
Nigerian Civil War 1,000,000
Rwandan Genocide 1,000,000
US Made Famine Bangladesh 100,000
Children Died fr Hunger '09 5,256,000
Children Killed by Hunger Since 9/11 235,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger during the 1990s 100,000,000
Ciggarette Related Deaths Worldwide (1960 - 2010) 300,000,000
Total Killed by Capitalism: 1,559,657,267

http://www.hermes-press.com/capitalism2.jpg

[TLAM Strike]

All of those countries you listed, Amerika has been in involving war crimes...
What war crimes did we conduct in the USSR? :hmmm:


Thats right, Adolf Hitler, upon a book. Read IBM and the Holocaust. Gee who was supplying him with all his oil right up until June 1941? :hmmm:

...and fascism is capitalism in decay. that is what the COMINTERN told the communist parties in Germany in the 1930s...

[nikimcbee]

What war crimes did we conduct in the USSR? :hmmm:

Gee who was supplying him with all his oil right up until June 1941? :hmmm:

that is what the COMINTERN told the communist parties in Germany in the 1930s...

I'm not a moderator, but I play one on TV:

A public service message:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK269WcHMpM&feature=related
:D:yeah:

[redsocialist]

I'm not a troll, this was a legitimate thread, getting feedback from comrades in the USA until you right wing kooks decided to go in your little Yankee cow-boy anti-communist purges to try to attack me with silly BS. So shut it, or stick to the topic. If you have nothing to say about Egyptian socialists and their situation, then go on one of the other topics and troll. Go start a thread how Obama is a socialist and is "destroying" Amerika. Then you all can group up and take out your frustrations on evil socialism and communism that threatens liberty, freedom, and democracy.

Good day

[nikimcbee]

I'm not a troll, this was a legitimate thread, getting feedback from comrades in the USA until you right wing kooks decided to go in your little Yankee cow-boy anti-communist purges to try to attack me with silly BS. So shut it, or stick to the topic. If you have nothing to say about Egyptian socialists and their situation, then go on one of the other topics and troll. Go start a thread how Obama is a socialist and is "destroying" Amerika. Then you all can group up and take out your frustrations on evil socialism and communism that threatens liberty, freedom, and democracy.

Good day

:haha::haha::haha:

Tell me how the bottom of the keel looks as you pass by.

Starts clock now.

[redsocialist]

:haha::haha::haha:

Tell me how the bottom of the keel looks as you pass by.

Starts clock now.

Grammar FAIL.

[Feuer Frei!]

I'm not a troll, this was a legitimate thread, getting feedback from comrades in the USA until you right wing kooks decided to go in your little Yankee cow-boy anti-communist purges to try to attack me with silly BS. So shut it, or stick to the topic. If you have nothing to say about Egyptian socialists and their situation, then go on one of the other topics and troll. Go start a thread how Obama is a socialist and is "destroying" Amerika. Then you all can group up and take out your frustrations on evil socialism and communism that threatens liberty, freedom, and democracy.

Good day

You mad bro?

[redsocialist]

You mad bro?
I'm fine now...Just aggrevated from idiot right-wing amerikans cherry picking idealogy... Anyways here is the original link again in which this forum topic is to discuss. Here are a few questions

http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/23/interview-with-egyptian-socialist

What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

Okay here's a clean slate, and hopefully we can have a civil discussion/debate for those interested an intelligent conversation.

[Sailor Steve]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2371/2401982029_3240b5aa2f_o.jpg
:yep:
Is Washington in flames what you really want?

Native American Genocide 95,000,000
I've addressed that twice now, and still you try to sneak it in.

Okay here's a clean slate, and hopefully we can have a civil discussion/debate for those interested an intelligent conversation.
You attack indescriminately, you insult every one you can, and when it doesn't work you ask for a clean slate and intelligent conversation?

You haven't had an intelligent conversation on this subject yet. I've changed my opinion - you are indeed a childish troll.

[redsocialist]

Is Washington in flames what you really want?

No, but I'm responding back as August just posts a huge pic of Crossing out a hammer and sickle and his anti-communist rehtoric Right after the Texan comrade posted a memo in solidarity with the Eygptian socialists. You should study the thread more closley ;)

[redsocialist]

http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/2...tian-socialist

What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

[TFatseas]

I'm not a troll, this was a legitimate thread, getting feedback from comrades in the USA until you right wing kooks decided to go in your little Yankee cow-boy anti-communist purges to try to attack me with silly BS. So shut it, or stick to the topic. If you have nothing to say about Egyptian socialists and their situation, then go on one of the other topics and troll. Go start a thread how Obama is a socialist and is "destroying" Amerika. Then you all can group up and take out your frustrations on evil socialism and communism that threatens liberty, freedom, and democracy.

Good day

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp196/rickyzwalters/Tombstone/612capture_tombstone03.jpg

Well....bye.

[Sailor Steve]

No, but I'm responding back as August just posts a huge pic of Crossing out a hammer and sickle and his anti-communist rehtoric Right after the Texan comrade posted a memo in solidarity with the Eygptian socialists. You should study the thread more closley ;)
And you're mocking McBee for his grammar?

August has discussed many things intelligently and fairly in the past. His attitude toward you is based on your constant childish prattle about the evils of our country.

A Hammer & Sickle with a line through it is hardly equal to the Capitol of the United States in flames. If you don't want that, don't post it. You shouldn't be talking about anti-Communist rhetoric after the attacks you have staged so many times on this board. You have jumped right into threads trashing the United States, and now you complain about someone doing the same to you, and much less virulently? My opinion of you stands.

You also didn't answer either one of my challenges. Are you avoiding that?

[redsocialist]

And you're mocking McBee for his grammar?

August has discussed many things intelligently and fairly in the past. His attitude toward you is based on your constant childish prattle about the evils of our country.

A Hammer & Sickle with a line through it is hardly equal to the Capitol of the United States in flames. If you don't want that, don't post it. You shouldn't be talking about anti-Communist rhetoric after the attacks you have staged so many times on this board. You have jumped right into threads trashing the United States, and now you complain about someone doing the same to you, and much less virulently? My opinion of you stands.

You also didn't answer either one of my challenges. Are you avoiding that?

I don't care about your "challenges" I don't care what the rest of you think about me, I made this thread to discuss a certain issue, not personal attacks. I got one feedback then the rest was BS going back and forth. I apologizes if I offended people for criticizingly and in some cases verbally attacking the US government. I'm sorry. I appreciate what the subsim community has done to help me with my problems and figure out challenges to achieve a great immersible experience. For this I am grateful. So lets just knock it off, and post something thats relevent. I'm done arguing. And if you want to continue going back and forth then that just shows that you want to take part in Childish rebutting.

Topics of discussion listed bellow a few threads down------------v

[Sailor Steve]

I don't care about your "challenges" I don't care what the rest of you think about me, I made this thread to discuss a certain issue, not personal attacks. So lets just knock it off, and post something thats relevent. I'm done arguing.
You posted an out-and-out lie. I exposed it. You did it again. I responded again. In this thread you posted it a third time. You need to answer that.

Secondly, you continually attack the US without rhyme or reason. You can't complain when people treat you in kind.

You need to grow up and treat people with respect. Then you'll see them do the same.

[redsocialist]

You need to grow up and treat people with respect. Then you'll see them do the same.
*sigh* I am grown up and I do treat people with respect, don't start bringing up crap and lecturing me.. I get pissed off when I am personally attacked. I attacked your government thats not the same as an individual person -.-

You sure are quick for a reply. I edited the thread below -.-

[Hottentot]

It's times like these when I'm seriously wondering why I'm writing my master's thesis on Soviet Union's history (Between 1928 - 1945 and times of emerging Stalinism, no less). Guys like the OP really don't make it easier for us who have genuine academic interest in the subject. A cookie to anyone who can guess how many sentences I can usually say about this before someone asks if I'm a communist.

For anyone interested, I recommend finding Chris Ward's "Stalin's Russia" and reading the last chapter. The whole book is good in my opinion, but the last chapter is specifically interesting. Ward dicusses (among other things) the problem of how a historian should approach a subject that is seen by the majority as fundamentally evil and that's crimes are proven and documented. The same problem applies for many other fields, I reckon, like those interested in the Third Reich. The last chapter is only like 2 or 3 pages long, so if you happen to see the book in a library and have a minute to spare, I recommend checking it out.

And as for the OP I have only one thing to say: :nope:.

[redsocialist]

It's times like these when I'm seriously wondering why I'm writing my master's thesis on Soviet Union's history (Between 1928 - 1945 and times of emerging Stalinism, no less). Guys like the OP really don't make it easier for us who have genuine academic interest in the subject. A cookie to anyone who can guess how many sentences I can usually say about this before someone asks if I'm a communist.

Instead of good/evil false paradimes howabout a realist perspective its all about power? Also, there's a good book, called The Russians, which documents everyday/normal day life of russian citizens during the soviet union. Anyways lets try to stick with the forum topic please.

[Hottentot]

Instead of good/evil false paradimes howabout a realist perspective its all about power?

Now let's see...

1: You rant about evil Amerikans [sic] this and that all the time.

2: After this you come up with "it's not good/evil" argument. Without reading any of what I have written in my thesis, I might add.

3: You keep repeating a few key phrases all the time. Key phrases of which none require higher level of knowledge of the subject than high school's history books. Poorly and selectively read, I might again add.

4: After this you come up with the "realpolitik" argument, which is pretty much the most used argument you can ever come up with when discussing matters like these. Again without reading any of my work and knowing if I have taken the matter in the account.

I remain unimpressed. And on the border between insulted and amused that you assume I haven't decided to take the microhistorical level into account in my research.

[nikimcbee]

And the best part is, I've stood on Stalin's grave and sat on lenin's lap.:haha:

[nikimcbee]

It's times like these when I'm seriously wondering why I'm writing my master's thesis on Soviet Union's history (Between 1928 - 1945 and times of emerging Stalinism, no less). Guys like the OP really don't make it easier for us who have genuine academic interest in the subject. A cookie to anyone who can guess how many sentences I can usually say about this before someone asks if I'm a communist.

For anyone interested, I recommend finding Chris Ward's "Stalin's Russia" and reading the last chapter. The whole book is good in my opinion, but the last chapter is specifically interesting. Ward dicusses (among other things) the problem of how a historian should approach a subject that is seen by the majority as fundamentally evil and that's crimes are proven and documented. The same problem applies for many other fields, I reckon, like those interested in the Third Reich. The last chapter is only like 2 or 3 pages long, so if you happen to see the book in a library and have a minute to spare, I recommend checking it out.

And as for the OP I have only one thing to say: :nope:.

A master's thesis in Russian history, eh? Do you speak Russian by chance? What are you planning to do with your "Master's Thesis?"

Oh, and where are you getting it at?:know::hmmm:

[Hottentot]

A master's thesis in Russian history, eh? Do you speak Russian by chance? What are you planning to do with your "Master's Thesis?"

Most of my primary sources (as opposed to the literature and other second hand sources) are in Russian, so yes. I can't claim to be fluent in it and I need a dictionary quite often, but I speak it. Or "understand" it would probably be a better word. If you want to, I'd be glad to share some of them with you by PM (this is getting way too offtopic otherwise).

What I'm planning to do? To get it done, graduate, get out of the university and get myself a real nice job in something that vaguely resembles my education :D. I haven't given any serious consideration in becoming a career researcher, but who knows.

Oh, and where are you getting it at?:know::hmmm:

University of Tampere in Finland.

[krashkart]

I'm not a troll, this was a legitimate thread, getting feedback from comrades in the USA until you right wing kooks decided to go in your little Yankee cow-boy anti-communist purges to try to attack me with silly BS. So shut it [...blahblah...]
Good day

Wow. Honestly, I've never met anyone here that deserved that kind of treatment. :shifty:

[Dowly]

Wow. Honestly, I've never met anyone here that deserved that kind of treatment. :shifty:

Are you surprised? From the start this threads been just about having a dig at the OP, instead of ignoring him or trying to start a discussion. :roll:

[Feuer Frei!]

I'm curious, where are you from redsocialist?
There seems to be a lot of anger in some of your posts, both here and in your Gadaffi thread.
We all get passionate about things, heck i know i do, we take a strong stand in what we believe in, we all do that.
But there must also be room for openmindedness, room for maturity and respect for other people's points of view.
I have read some of your posts both here and the Gadaffi thread, and it seems to me at least that your attitude is one of "i don't care what others think, i know what i believe in and that's all that matters".
Unfortunately, the consequences of posting a thread on a forum, letalone in the General section will invariably attract other comments which may or may not differ with your own viewpoints.
That's life, i am not attacking you red, but it just seems you have a very strong dislike towards anything American and also to others offering their own personal viewpoints, especially if they don't marry up with yours.
Be cool mate, accept other people's viewpoints, just because they differ from yours doesn't mean that you have to adopt them too. :up:
One more thing, if you think someone is having a go at you, which i haven't seen in any of the posts thus far, openly attacking you, then be better then that, and don't stoop to personal attacks yourself or volley back with colourful language.
You will get more respect from people if you state your cause in a sensible and mature manner.

[Takeda Shingen]

*sigh* I am grown up and I do treat people with respect, don't start bringing up crap and lecturing me.

Really? Why don't you go back and check out your posts again. Your lecture from Steve is well-deserved. Time to grow up.

[krashkart]

Are you surprised? From the start this threads been just about having a dig at the OP, instead of ignoring him or trying to start a discussion. :roll:

I see your point. :hmmm:

[Oberon]

Are you surprised? From the start this threads been just about having a dig at the OP, instead of ignoring him or trying to start a discussion. :roll:

Are you surprised at that Dowly?
This is a right leaning US forum, an anti-capitalist far left wing post is going to be attacked and killed on sight. Just look at the Obama wars.

[Dowly]

Are you surprised at that Dowly?
This is a right leaning US forum, an anti-capitalist far left wing post is going to be attacked and killed on sight. Just look at the Obama wars.

Haha, no, not surprised at all. :DL

[August]

Are you surprised at that Dowly?
This is a right leaning US forum, an anti-capitalist far left wing post is going to be attacked and killed on sight. Just look at the Obama wars.

You'd have a point if the op was seriously trying to generate discussion. We both know all he's here for is to irritate and inflame.

[Oberon]

Don't see anything inflammatory or irritable in the first post in this thread, to be honest.

[August]

Don't see anything inflammatory or irritable in the first post in this thread, to be honest.


And the dozen others that he's created? He's a troll pure and simple and I say:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=96305&d=1238774506

[Oberon]

:hmmm:

Most of his threads have been in the SHIII forums, he's made...four threads in GT, only one of which has a title I would consider inflammatory and that's 'Gadaffi turning US and British guns on his people'.
I think I see where you're coming from August, but I think that you're not necessarily looking at this without a tad of bias, in that you are not particularly fond of the far left and their ideology.
I, personally, view a lot of socialist views as wishful thinking, but more power to them. On another forum I frequent there is a fervent Stalinist who views the DPRK as a good country. There have been many heated exchanges I can tell you. This chap here though is not quite as vocal on his views as some, and indeed is less inflammatory in initial posts than some anti-Obama rhetoric I've seen, likewise anti-Palin for that matter.
Now, if you want him to be banned, go right ahead, as I have said this is a right leaning US based forum and Redsocialist really should know better but perhaps he will learn and stick to speaking about Subsims rather than politics because he is in the wrong place for that.

[frau kaleun]

I'm not a troll, this was a legitimate thread, getting feedback from comrades in the USA until you right wing kooks decided to go in your little Yankee cow-boy anti-communist purges to try to attack me with silly BS. So shut it, or stick to the topic. If you have nothing to say about Egyptian socialists and their situation, then go on one of the other topics and troll. Go start a thread how Obama is a socialist and is "destroying" Amerika. Then you all can group up and take out your frustrations on evil socialism and communism that threatens liberty, freedom, and democracy.

Good day

I may be a kook, but I'm not a right-wing one. And as a lifelong member of The Left all I can say is: stop making the rest of us look bad.

There is nothing wrong with being passionate about one's beliefs and interests, however what you remind me of is one of those tedious people who everybody avoids because he's incapable of discussing anything unless it's done from the perspective of how it fits into his own pet ideology du jour. Every single topic of conversation becomes an excuse to get on a soapbox and proclaim the party line to the masses and then go off in a sulk because "the masses" aren't interested or, heaven forbid, actually disagree.

Oh, and get a sense of humor. Even about politics. And most especially about yourself. It will serve you far better in the long run - and get you further with more people - than all the soapboxes you can imagine.

[redsocialist]

I may be a kook, but I'm not a right-wing one. And as a lifelong member of The Left all I can say is: stop making the rest of us look bad.
Oh, and get a sense of humor. Even about politics. And most especially about yourself. It will serve you far better in the long run - and get you further with more people - than all the soapboxes you can imagine.
:yawn:
I don't see "liberal" as being Left. Though perhaps progressives in USA could be considered leftists, left to means various factions of socialists, communists, and anarchists. I'm an anti-imperialist, this means opposing imperialism no matter where it may be all over the world. The United States happens to commit the most imperialism. And granted interfering in other's countries affairs, assinsating they're democratically elected leaders, funding political opposition, training rebels to destablize the government is imperialism at no doubt. There's otheres like british imperialism we can discuss another time. Spain, an imperialist country (was), and Japan for sure (was). I am against all these wars, because I know they are there for only profit of a few at the expense of masses. There's a difference from a war launched on by imperialism, then a war to stop imperialism. When imperialism launches a war of aggression on such a country, all of its various classes except for some traitors, can temporarily unite in a national war against imperialism. If you were on the left you would recongize this. Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism. And I do have a senseof humor. All of the right wing bloggers here flocked over to this purley anti-capitalist thread like a heard of sheep. Though I admit I said some harsh things I probably shouldn't have, right afther the comrade from the Socialist Party of Texas posted, the right wingers all had to take they're rage on socialist/communism to promote their magical wonders of the free market. I didn't mean to call you a kook. However if your on the "left" I am curious to what your political views/faction is.

[frau kaleun]

If you were on the left you would recongize this.

See, that's where you lose people. I might be further to the left of you when it comes to some things. I might be more in sympathy with some of your ideals and viewpoints than you will ever know. What I am not in sympathy with is the attitude of "I know more than you and you can't see the truth because you're not as X-Y-Z as I am."

However if your on the "left" I am curious to what your political views/faction is.

I don't have a faction, nor do I want one.

[redsocialist]

See, that's where you lose people. I might be further to the left of you when it comes to some things. I might be more in sympathy with some of your ideals and viewpoints than you will ever know. What I am not in sympathy with is the attitude of "I know more than you and you can't see the truth because you're not as X-Y-Z as I am."



I don't have a faction, nor do I want one.

Okay, well I made my point. Of course you may know more than me for all I know which is cool, you especially know more than me regearding Silent Hunter and your help :)

[krashkart]

^^ Now see, that isn't the mark of a true troll. Trolls never admit to anything that would put them in a position lower than their prey. ;)


Welcome aboard, redsocialist.

[redsocialist]

^^ Now see, that isn't the mark of a true troll. Trolls never admit to anything that would put them in a position lower than their prey. ;)

Welcome aboard, redsocialist.

^_^

[August]

I think I see where you're coming from August, but I think that you're not necessarily looking at this without a tad of bias, in that you are not particularly fond of the far left and their ideology.

Bias? Not particularly fond? Dude I have seen the true face of communism first hand and believe me it's not pretty. Nazis, communists, socialists, anarchists. There is no real difference between them. The regalia and propaganda may be different but when it gets right down to it they're nothing but a bunch of murdering thieves.

Pawns like redsocialist are almost as bad as the killers they worship. They grow up and live amongst us hypocritically enjoying the fruits of our decadent societies while parroting their party line. If it were up to me i'd banish every one of them to some workers "paradise" like Cuba or North Korea and let them live the crap they espouse.

[TLAM Strike]

Pawns like redsocialist are almost as bad as the killers they worship. They grow up and live amongst us hypocritically enjoying the fruits of our decadent societies while parroting their party line.

Where ever you go there is no such thing as a Poor Communist, just Communists and The Workers.

:03:

[frau kaleun]

^^ Now see, that isn't the mark of a true troll. Trolls never admit to anything that would put them in a position lower than their prey. ;)


Welcome aboard, redsocialist.

FWIW I never thought he was a troll, just bordering on "trollish" behavior for those who might not know he was also posting in the game threads.

@redsocialist: I think the point that some of us are trying to make is, if you insist on seeing and discussing everything through the lens of "socialism vs. whatever," and make of habit of trying to force threads in that direction in order to make a Big Socio-Political Point about something completely unrelated to the OP, and get upset when people with opposing viewpoints reply in threads that you insist are for "socialist sharing and bonding" only, and then talk down to anyone who doesn't toe the same party line you do (as though toeing any party line at all is somehow indicative of higher intelligence and understanding)... well, you're not gonna find a very receptive audience to anything you say, even if what you say has merit.

Because that kind of behavior is tedious, pretentious, and almost guaranteed to offend - and it's likely to become the subject of gentle mockery (at best) with or without regard to the potential validity of whatever point you are trying to make.

[redsocialist]

And so the right wing yankee cow boys take the cake :yeah:

[krashkart]

FWIW I never thought he was a troll, just bordering on "trollish" behavior for those who might not know he was also posting in the game threads.

It's a jab at an earlier post that suggested a banning. I wasn't calling anyone out specifically. :oops:

[Sailor Steve]

And so the right wing yankee cow boys take the cake :yeah:
You keep insisting on an "Us versus Them" mentality. Reread Frau Kaleun's post above, and try to realize that most of us aren't judging you on your beliefs, but on the inane way you keep trying to force them on everyone.

[redsocialist]

You keep insisting on an "Us versus Them" mentality. Reread Frau Kaleun's post above, and try to realize that most of us aren't judging you on your beliefs, but on the inane way you keep trying to force them on everyone.
"
Quote:
Originally Posted by August
Pawns like redsocialist are almost as bad as the killers they worship. They grow up and live amongst us hypocritically enjoying the fruits of our decadent societies while parroting their party line.
Where ever you go there is no such thing as a Poor Communist, just Communists and The Workers."

Oh yea, not judging me on my beliefs one bit. Keep it up yankee cow boy amerikans :yeah:

[frau kaleun]

And so the right wing yankee cow boys take the cake :yeah:

Yes, because everyone here who disagrees with you, or who doesn't take kindly to the way you interact with others, must be a right wing yankee cowboy. :shifty:

Is this a right-leaning forum? Yeah, it is. But are there people here who do not lean right? Yeah, plenty of 'em. Somehow we all manage to get along quite well with each other, and have many interesting discussions where various viewpoints are shared and compared and argued about. Does it get heated sometimes? Sure, but most people are mature enough to know that having a heated discussion with someone on a particular issue (or serious of issues) does not make the other person The Mortal Enemy Of All They Hold Dear.

If you cannot tolerate the possibility of disagreement - not just with your politics, but with the way in which you present them - without slapping some nonsensical label on everybody who doesn't think your ideas and presentation of same are the Shizzle, then you're gonna have more problems to deal with in life than just how you get on here. :nope:

[Sailor Steve]

I said "most", not "all". While I defended what I saw as a difference between his graphic and yours, I agree that August is going a little far, and I'm speaking for myself, not him.

On the other hand, you started this fight several threads ago, and now you want to whine when people give your own back.

[redsocialist]

I said "most", not "all". While I defended what I saw as a difference between his graphic and yours, I agree that August is going a little far, and I'm speaking for myself, not him.

On the other hand, you started this fight several threads ago, and now you want to whine when people give your own back.

Yea, and I appoligized, and they want to keep attacking me it's pretty obvious. Why don't you search back a few threads and see I changed one of my posts as I did. Now, we can all see who the troll(s) are, now on for this thread.

[Sailor Steve]

Yea, and they just want to keep on attacking me, and not have a discussion. Its pretty obvious.
Because of the way you post. Yes, it's obvious, but you don't seem to see it.

[redsocialist]

Because of the way you post. Yes, it's obvious, but you don't seem to see it.
-.-

[Sailor Steve]

And is that little graphic supposed to mean something? What happened to "reasonable discussion"?

[redsocialist]

And is that little graphic supposed to mean something? What happened to "reasonable discussion"?
-.- is anime logo for annoyed. Surprised you did not know that. Just like ^^ is happy.

Okay now for the 4th time -.- Here is the topics of discussion. Right wingers could discuss this too talking about people starting their own businesses ect. after the transition... If they want idc

http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/2...tian-socialist

What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

[frau kaleun]

Yea, and they just want to keep on attacking me, and not have a discussion.

But, see, a "discussion" does not consist of you saying whatever you want and everyone else agreeing that you are right and they are stupid (or not "left" enough) for not realizing it sooner.

Dude, seriously, if you can't tolerate a dissenting opinion or facts that don't support your ideology on a lousy internet forum, what are you gonna do in your workers' paradise where everyone is free to express him/herself without fear of oppression from the capitalist elite? Do you really think that everybody is gonna magically agree with you then and start accepting the party line as rock-solid gospel? It doesn't work that way and never has.

[redsocialist]

Okay now for the 5th time -.-* Here is the topics of discussion. Right wingers could discuss this too talking about people starting their own businesses ect. after the transition... If they want idc

http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/2...tian-socialist

What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

[joea]

Okay now for the 5th time -.-* Here is the topics of discussion. Right wingers could discuss this too talking about people starting their own businesses ect. after the transition... If they want idc

http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/2...tian-socialist

What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

Ok I'll bite:
What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?
Not with Islamic parties unless they want to end up like in Iran. Are there any trade unions in Egypt?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?
No idea, this was pretty chaotic, pretty sure the most important institution was the army.

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

Not sure this is possible, fire (or if you prefer "purge" :D ) the most corrupt and guilty individuals. You have to play with the army though.

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

Unprintable on an all-ages forum.

I am pretty moderate on most issues, if that's important. I have recently (re)-read the Communist Manifesto and will start on the Wealth of Nations if that helps. :know:

[Jimbuna]

I'm not sure how people perceive my political beliefs in this community but that is probably because I seldom get involved in the political threads.

I do believe passionately in one belief though, a belief taught me by one of my superiors a few yars ago now:

NONE OF US IS AS CLEVER AS ALL OF US

There is nothing wrong with having an opposing viewpoint or opinion in a debate....what is important is that all parties respect each other during the course of said debate/discussion.

That in the vast majority of cases is what happens in this community and makes it stand out above most if not all of the rest.

I'll go back to my popcorn now, thank you.

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/6942/popcorncowtx0.gif

[August]

Oh yea, not judging me on my beliefs one bit. Keep it up yankee cow boy amerikans :yeah:

And what else do we have to judge you on? You refuse to say where you are from or anything else about you the person behind the ridiculous and often misspelled commie propaganda you keep spewing.

Having seen first hand the victims of your socialist workers "paradise" I have little tolerance for it.

[redsocialist]

Ok I'll bite:
What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?
Not with Islamic parties unless they want to end up like in Iran. Are there any trade unions in Egypt?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?
No idea, this was pretty chaotic, pretty sure the most important institution was the army.

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

Not sure this is possible, fire (or if you prefer "purge" :D ) the most corrupt and guilty individuals. You have to play with the army though.

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

Unprintable on an all-ages forum.

I am pretty moderate on most issues, if that's important. I have recently (re)-read the Communist Manifesto and will start on the Wealth of Nations if that helps. :know:

bump

[Oberon]

Bias? Not particularly fond? Dude I have seen the true face of communism first hand and believe me it's not pretty. Nazis, communists, socialists, anarchists. There is no real difference between them. The regalia and propaganda may be different but when it gets right down to it they're nothing but a bunch of murdering thieves.

Pawns like redsocialist are almost as bad as the killers they worship. They grow up and live amongst us hypocritically enjoying the fruits of our decadent societies while parroting their party line. If it were up to me i'd banish every one of them to some workers "paradise" like Cuba or North Korea and let them live the crap they espouse.

I can well believe you mate, and I understand. You often find that a lot of socialists are young or are actually from more middle class backgrounds, and really have not experienced the life of the people they protest for.
However, and this is the kicker, and that's freedom, freedom of expression and political expression and speach. The same sort of freedoms that are rarely expressed in the DPRK or Cuba or China, but the same freedoms that let every Tom, Dick and Harry say what they like, and we just have to let them say it because if we start telling them what to say and what to think then what makes us so different from the communists, national socialists and anarchists?
We can both agree on the need for common decency and politeness though, from both sides, and tolerence, however hard it may be, is vital lest we slip down the slippery slope to prejudice and persecution and just ask anyone who has been from a pogrom how much fun that can be.

[MH]

I took just one commie to post all those pictures and all this aggressive ideological propaganda.
I glad this insanity is no more.

[redsocialist]

I took just one commie to post all those pictures and all this aggressive ideological propaganda.
I glad this insanity is no more.

It took just one determined cow-boy amerikan to start it all, as he likes to play the 3rd grader game of getting back. I'm glad it would be over too, however its not they'll just keep posting their anti-communist bull****, and never give 2 ****s about the topics of discussion which they proved 10 posts ago

[August]

I can well believe you mate, and I understand. You often find that a lot of socialists are young or are actually from more middle class backgrounds, and really have not experienced the life of the people they protest for.
However, and this is the kicker, and that's freedom, freedom of expression and political expression and speach. The same sort of freedoms that are rarely expressed in the DPRK or Cuba or China, but the same freedoms that let every Tom, Dick and Harry say what they like, and we just have to let them say it because if we start telling them what to say and what to think then what makes us so different from the communists, national socialists and anarchists?
We can both agree on the need for common decency and politeness though, from both sides, and tolerence, however hard it may be, is vital lest we slip down the slippery slope to prejudice and persecution and just ask anyone who has been from a pogrom how much fun that can be.

Ah but not once have I told him what he can say, only that I disagree with it. Some people tend to confuse freedom of speech with freedom from being judged by what they say. There is a big difference between the two.

[Dowly]

You know, Oberon kinda opened the door for you to start fresh by questioning if you are trolling or trying have an discussion. You kinda blew that opportunity and I'm afraid it's too late now, no matter how much you try to get back on track.


BTW, you remind me of someone. :hmmm:

5 point clue: Huh? :doh:

:O:

[Sailor Steve]

It took just one determined cow-boy amerikan to start it all, as he likes to play the 3rd grader game of getting back. I'm glad it would be over too, however its not they'll just keep posting their anti-communist bull****, and never give 2 ****s about the topics of discussion which they proved 10 posts ago
Which you could easily have ignored if you were serious about taking the high road.

[Tribesman]

..^[{-..*:=

[Jimbuna]

You know, Oberon kinda opened the door for you to start fresh by questioning if you are trolling or trying have an discussion. You kinda blew that opportunity and I'm afraid it's too late now, no matter how much you try to get back on track.


BTW, you remind me of someone. :hmmm:

5 point clue: Huh? :doh:

:O:


Are you thinking of Mr ITG? :hmmm:

[Dowly]

Are you thinking of Mr ITG? :hmmm:

Hehe, aye. :DL

[nikimcbee]

Are you thinking of Mr ITG? :hmmm:

Who's that?:D Were they a GWX antagonist?

[Jimbuna]

Hehe, aye. :DL

LOL, thought so :DL

Who's that?:D Were they a GWX antagonist?

Nope....twas someone who once accused me publicly of being a racist...a countryman of Dowly's IIRC :hmmm:

Anyhoo....must get back to the movie.

http://imgcash3.imageshack.us/img144/3236/lurkereatingpopcornkf8.gif

[nikimcbee]

LOL, thought so :DL



Nope....twas someone who once accused me publicly of being a racist...a countryman of Dowly's IIRC :hmmm:

Anyhoo....must get back to the movie.

http://imgcash3.imageshack.us/img144/3236/lurkereatingpopcornkf8.gif


oooohh, I remember.:woot: I totally forgot about him. I hope they stripped him of his ferret card, and just made him a commom rat.

[Oberon]

Ah but not once have I told him what he can say, only that I disagree with it. Some people tend to confuse freedom of speech with freedom from being judged by what they say. There is a big difference between the two.

Touché, and well said. :yep::up:

[Freiwillige]

I'm an American Cowboy literally. :yep: So if that American cowboy comment was meant as a abrasion, I say shucks Y'all just paid the best compliment.

[August]

BTW, you remind me of someone. :hmmm:

5 point clue: Huh? :doh:

:O:


You know who he reminds me of? Elite_Hunter_ sh3

I wonder if that kid ever went to Serbia like he said he would.

[nikimcbee]

You know who he reminds me of? Elite_Hunter_ sh3

I wonder if that kid ever went to Serbia like he said he would.

That would be my second guess!

But with this avatar:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/ranks/hangover.jpg

I think he wins!

:haha::har:

[redsocialist]

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/not-another-dumbass.jpg

[Tchocky]

Just read through this. Boy was that worth it.

[Gerald]

Just read through this. Boy was that worth it. :haha:

[Penguin]

Sorry, I'm late for this thread. I work for my money, am no rich capitalist who can live from his money and I despise my government enough that I do not want a penny from them.

I tried to have some discussion in the thread about Venezuela, pointing to critizism of Chavez' regime from a left perspective, but no discussion evolved, someone stepped back from the discussion, so I am not really in the mood to contribute something here...

being left means to me, not to be in favour of any oppressive regime, whatever colour the rulers might wave...

Cheers, Penguin,
member of the working-class

[redsocialist]

Sorry, I'm late for this thread. I work for my money, am no rich capitalist who can live from his money and I despise my government enough that I do not want a penny from them.

I tried to have some discussion in the thread about Venezuela, pointing to critizism of Chavez' regime from a left perspective, but no discussion evolved, someone stepped back from the discussion, so I am not really in the mood to contribute something here...

being left means to me, not to be in favour of any oppressive regime, whatever colour the rulers might wave...

Cheers, Penguin,
member of the working-class

Are you in Die Linke?

[Penguin]

Are you in Die Linke?

nope, I am independent
I'm more a Groucho Marxist: "I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member" :DL
well, I make an exception for subsim, not sure however if they want me as a member ;)

[Sailor Steve]

nope, I am independent
I'm more a Groucho Marxist: "I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member" :DL
well, I make an exception for subsim, not sure however if they want me as a member ;)

Well, there has to be a club for people nobody wants. I guess we just have to put up with each other.

[Penguin]

Well, there has to be a club for people nobody wants. I guess we just have to put up with each other.

I guess you are right, since this is the only online community in which I participate nowadays.
subsim forums - for the stranded people nobody wants elsewhere :O:

[joea]

nope, I am independent
I'm more a Groucho Marxist: "I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member" :DL
well, I make an exception for subsim, not sure however if they want me as a member ;)

:DL Oh well I gave it a try and got a bump in return. Time for another kind of party. :woot:

[frau kaleun]

:DL Oh well I gave it a try and got a bump in return. Time for another kind of party. :woot:

The Frau Kaleun Hits People Over The Head With An Angry Wombat Party will be up and running again, just as soon as McBee and I can catch the darn wombat.* I'm just sayin'.




*And when I say "McBee and I," of course I mean mostly McBee. Well, just McBee. Being a party leader has its perks, know what I'm sayin'?

[Oberon]

You know who he reminds me of? Elite_Hunter_ sh3

I wonder if that kid ever went to Serbia like he said he would.

I wonder that myself, and yes, I did think of him as well when this all started. :haha:

[redsocialist]

I wonder that myself, and yes, I did think of him as well when this all started. :haha:

WRONG
:haha:

[Freiwillige]

WRONG
:haha:

Wrong!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvfcnpJRf0Q

[redsocialist]

Wrong!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvfcnpJRf0Q

lol funny song