New National Intelligence Estimate on Iran complete

[Skybird]

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/02/15/exclusive_new_national_intelligence_estimate_on_ir an_complete


Sen. Mark Kirk (R-IL), a former intelligence officer for the U.S. Navy, told The Cable, "The 2007 NIE was a mistake," and this document appears to be more realistic. He urged the intelligence community to take a less technical and more comprehensive look at the Iranian leadership's actions when making such judgments.

[TLAM Strike]

while the intelligence community has not determined that Iran has made the strategic decision to build a nuclear weapon, it is working on the components of such a device.

You have to love intelligence double speak.

As its been said in military intel you deal with capabilities not intentions. :03:

[yubba]

Intelligence, well there's a conterdiction in term.

[joegrundman]

You have to love intelligence double speak.

As its been said in military intel you deal with capabilities not intentions. :03:

but that's clearly nonsense, otherwise you'd be more concerned about France than Iran.

[DarkFish]

but that's clearly nonsense, otherwise you'd be more concerned about France than Iran.Which is why the US knows they must keep France as a friend while they don't have to worry much about Iran.

[Tribesman]

Intelligence, well there's a conterdiction in term.

:rotfl2:

[gimpy117]

iran could be dangerous..but all they wanna do is rattle sabres

[TLAM Strike]

but that's clearly nonsense, otherwise you'd be more concerned about France than Iran. I keep one eye on those frog leg eating, unbathed, surrender monkeys ever since we found their missiles in Iraq post sanctions. :03:

The only nation I remotely trust is our 52nd state, the Arab Socialist Republic of Britonia... :shifty:

[joegrundman]

I keep one eye on those frog leg eating, unbathed, surrender monkeys ever since we found their missiles in Iraq post sanctions. :03:

The only nation I remotely trust is our 52nd state, the Arab Socialist Republic of Britonia... :shifty:

haha!:D

[Castout]

Intelligence, well there's a conterdiction in term.

The last thing it needs is politicization of intelligence materials and analysis. Temptation is certainly there.

Frankly speaking imo North Korea poses a more urgent attention than Iran. Contrary to what Israel would like the US to believe :hmmm:

[joegrundman]

North Korea isn't really a big problem. It's a nuisance, sure, but its agenda is in favour of the status quo.

[goldorak]

iran could be dangerous..but all they wanna do is rattle sabres


On the scale of the more lunatic nuclear powers we have Pakistan and India followed way way back by Iran. And Iran doesn't even have the bomb yet.
You've got to love US priorities.

[Matador.es]

Spoken about Iran and intel, i cant find what ships Iran intended to send to the med. Despite of the political statemant of having balls and nerve, i had like to know what size of balls they want to put in the bucket.

Last night Iran stated it would push on with the deployement of ships in the MED
http://www.defencetalk.com/iran-deploys-two-warships-to-mediterranean-32140/

This was said before but was kind of blabla and we will see if they do. But they tried at least untill egypt stoped them.... someone is in control, guess its the militairy huh?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12493614

I was looking for reports on the boats it self, maybe they will come later in the days as the situation develops.

Cheers

[Tribesman]

I was looking for reports on the boats it self, maybe they will come later in the days as the situation develops.


It was one of those 1960s British made frigates and a supply ship I think.

[Matador.es]

That would be a smart move. The Kilos with the standard diesel do 600 nm on the snort. So supply is needed. But it does hoist a red flag on the subs location....

Iran's official Fars new agency, quoting top naval commanders, said the ships are the 33,000-tonne refuelling and support vessel Kharg and the 1,500-tonne light patrol frigate Alvand, both British built.

The Kharg has a crew of 250 and can carry up to three helicopters. The Alvand is armed with torpedos and anti-ship missiles.

According to Fars, the ships form part of Iran's 12th flotilla, which is normally assigned to protect Iranian merchant vessels in the Gulf of Aden, an area plagued by Somali pirates.
Kharg replenishment oiler

Displacement: 33,014 tons full load
Dimensions: 207.15 x 25.5 x 9.14 meters (679.5 x 83.5 x 30 feet)
Propulsion: Steam turbines, 2 boilers, 1 shaft, 26,870 shp, 21 knots
Crew: approx. 250
Aviation: aft helicopter deck and hangar; 3 Sea King helos
Cargo: ??
Armament: 1 76 mm OTO DP, 6 dual 23 mm AA
UK-built; refitted 1993.

Number Name Year Homeport Notes
431 Kharg 1980


Alvand (Saam) class (Vosper Mk5 type) light patrol frigates

Displacement: 1,540 tons full load
Dimensions: 94.5 x 11.07 x 3.25 meters (310 x 36 x 10.5 feet)
Propulsion: 2 shafts; 2 cruise diesels, 3,800 bhp, 17 knots; 2 TM-3A
boost gas turbines, 46,000 shp, 39 knots
Crew: 135
Radar: AWS-1 air search
Sonar: Type 174 hull
Fire Control: 2 RTN-10X
EW: RDL-2AC intercept
Armament: 5-cell Sea Killer SSM, 1 114mm DP, 1 dual 35 mm AA, 4 20 mm,
2 12.7 mm MG, 1 Limbo ASW mortar
UK-built. One additional ship lost to US forces. Sabalan
may not be fully repaired after damage in US attacks.

Number Name Year Homeport Notes
71 Alvand 1971 Ex-Saam
72 Alborz 1971 Ex-Zaal
73 Sabalan 1972 Ex-Rastam

The 71:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_okE2fz_Pef8/SbLI9KmVBgI/AAAAAAAABYs/UvuJc7rHxTc/s400/sabalan.jpeg

The 72 Alborz
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_okE2fz_Pef8/SbLI8uHBNVI/AAAAAAAABYk/9MVSrGox4vA/s400/alvand-2.jpeg

The 73
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_okE2fz_Pef8/SbLI8ePnKyI/AAAAAAAABYc/4_Igl6M3piE/s400/alborz.jpeg


Check the link on the Kharg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WmaRp2PExjM/TVynQ9z_aWI/AAAAAAAAIDY/FY9QNU6ygdc/s320/krang.jpg (http://www.informationdissemination.net/2011/02/iranian-navy-exposes-us-navy-weakness.html)

So, back to work...

[TLAM Strike]

That would be a smart move. The Kilos with the standard diesel do 600 nm on the snort. So supply is needed. But it does hoist a red flag on the subs location.... I assume you mean 6,000 nm on snort not 600. :03:



Check the link on the Kharg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WmaRp2PExjM/TVynQ9z_aWI/AAAAAAAAIDY/FY9QNU6ygdc/s320/krang.jpg (http://www.informationdissemination.net/2011/02/iranian-navy-exposes-us-navy-weakness.html)

So, back to work...

Thats not the Kharg, thats a Kangan class water tanker. This is what the Kharg looks like:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8484/a04c4d5c1b31.jpg

[Matador.es]

TLAM, your right on :D thanks. I have posted the article in a new topic, i just considered it worth the attention and i did not want to go off topic 2 much in here. I will add that site to my favs :)

Since the Kharg is a militairy ship it will never be searched. So good way to smuggle weapons.
http://www.informationdissemination.net/2011/02/iranian-navy-exposes-us-navy-weakness.html

[TLAM Strike]

TLAM, your right on :D thanks.
I wrote the book on the Iranian Navy, literally... we are going to release it soon. ;)