Faildows 7 sucks; in a word: clutter; Apple poser

[TteFAboB]

The “I’m a MAC and I’m a PC” videos are wrong. PC is the new Apple. Everything in Windows 7 is a sad attempt to emulate and copy the Apples.

But if I wanted an Apple, I’d buy an Apple. I’m not a 13 year old girl; I want efficiency, cleanliness and professionalism, not fluff and rainbows. I want my work to stand out, and my tools and my desk to fade away, and not the other way around.

Ironically, efficiency and professionalism was what Apples were famous for, before they became Pop and fluffy. Yet I always chose Windows because of its flexibility. I know what kind of computer I need, not Apple.

Well, not anymore. Microsoft knows what I need now, and I need to be Apple. Can I have my perfectly fine expanding Start programs menu? No, that’s too orange and not enough Apple.

The Windows 95 theme wasn’t reached by accident or experiment, but by trial and error. It was a fruit of science, labor and utility. It has perfect contrast: black on light gray, white on dark blue, frames between windows, configuration background gray, work space background white, zero clutter, maximum cleanliness.

Screw that, let’s make everything transparent and shadowy! That’ll help! That’s way more Apple! And make the taskbar bigger too, like Apple’s! And remove the text, leave just icons, like Apple, because our customers don’t work and multitask, they just stare at pretty icons like 13 year old girls! Look, unicorns!

****! Windows 7 is ****!

Even with everything thematic and all special effects turned off, which helps, the Start menu is still the new tiny cluster****, and Windows Explorer is still full of distractions. The optimum Win95 theme can be more or less recovered, but the programs are gone.

The new generation of Microsoft is fail; they are marketing and not professionally oriented. I just cannot see why one must destroy optimality in order to impress the visually impressible or, excuse me, blind. Certainly fat is supposed to go above the muscle or bone layer, the cutting of which should not affect the underlayers. Yet Microsoft has lost the bone.

Congratulations; for the first time ever I am looking positively and seriously at Linux. Go Linux, go! The User knows best; configurability for the win!

[Chad]

I tried to find a funny picture to sum up your post, but just can't.

If you're going Linux, try Ubuntu first, :up:

[Buddahaid]

Stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think! :woot:

[krashkart]

Go with Debian. It's much more exciting. :O:

[Krauter]

I use a Mac Laptop at school and actually prefer it to my Windows XP->Vista->Windows 7 Home PC I was using at home.

A lot faster, OS is actually easier and a host of other things.

The only gripe I have is compatability with other programs (games, some Office Utilitys [Solved with a new program], etc).

[CaptainHaplo]

Hmmmm.....

Ok so you don't like the new gui approach. Fine....
You liked win95/98 better..... the classic layout. Ok....

There are simple freeware tools to get your old style, single column start menu back. Easy ways to turn transparency and fading off too.....

Literally, you can get it back to the way you seem to think it should be. Windows 7 is aimed at home consumers AND business. It has the business backend, but the fluff most home users want. You have to expect some adaptation. A number of the gui tweaks are great for most folks, like the preview pane for minimized applications.

Still, put it however you want. As an IT professional, I have to point out that your basically complaining about a few dings in a paint job when your car just got a major revamped engine that now actually runs right, where the last model had all kinds of gremlins in it.

Windows 7 did make some gui changes, but the biggest changes are way deeper under the hood, and they were major changes for the better. 2k and XP had all kinds of winsock problems, Vista was a bear due to drivers (ser2pl.sys incompatiblity with 1.1 usb ports for example....) while 7 rolled out extremely solid, with none of the major bugs or memory leaks that earlier OS's started with.

A lot of times the issue isn't the OS - its those who use it. Don't get me wrong, when M$ came out with the MMC, I was yelling like crazy about how they hosed up administration. I had User Manager and Server Manager, why muck with things? Adapting isn't easy, but sometimes progress happens, and it takes us old timers a while to get used to it.

When in doubt - shortcuts on the desktop!

[Ducimus]

If you really want to get down to brass tacks, the entire windows OS line was inspired by being a Mac poser.

[the_tyrant]

KDE all the way:yep:

[Sailor Steve]

If you really want to get down to brass tacks, the entire windows OS line was inspired by being a Mac poser.
I think we could argue about whether it was Apple or Atari who did it first.

[krashkart]

KDE all the way:yep:

Too easy - Linux is best utilized from a virtual console. :p2:

I have nothing against KDE or Gnome, though. My eyes can only bleed for so long before I have to switch back into a visual environment. :DL

[UnderseaLcpl]

But if I wanted an Apple, I’d buy an Apple. I’m not a 13 year old girl.


You sound like you're having a bad day so I'm going to let that one slide.

[gimpy117]

windows 7 user here: i have it and like it. and my gaming pc didn't cost a second mortgage on my house

you jelly?

[NeonSamurai]

You sound like you're having a bad day so I'm going to let that one slide.

Ya 22 year old girls use them too :O:

Anyhow windows 7 isn't too bad, even if it does have some stuff that drives me ballistic, its never anywhere near as bad as overpriced Apple rubbish.

[Ducimus]

I think we could argue about whether it was Apple or Atari who did it first.

Regardless, it wasn't Microsoft.

I still remember the time period in which windows made its first showings. I considered it a crappy menu system for people who were too stupid to understand DOS. :O:

[UnderseaLcpl]

Ya 22 year old girls use them too :O:
I'm so glad you're so familiar with the fashion tastes of 22 year old girls. That knowledge will serve you well when I apply your new eyeshadow. Would you prefer black, blue, or both? :DL



Anyhow windows 7 isn't too bad, even if it does have some stuff that drives me ballistic, its never anywhere near as bad as overpriced Apple rubbish.

Say what you will, but my iMac has never failed me. Even when I inevitably manage to hopelessly screw up the Windows partition, iMac brings it back. It still runs the latest games on Windows Vista (of all things) without much trouble. It is well worth the $1500 I paid for it.

[Feuer Frei!]

The “I’m a MAC and I’m a PC” videos are wrong.

FTW! WIN7 user here.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5901/hiiamamacandiamapcgif.gif

[Rilder]

Windows 7 hasn't failed me so far. Had to turn off that stupid Aero theme though cause you can't turn off those program previews when you hover over programs on the taskbar but oh well, the basic theme is fine with me.

[Gerald]

The basic theme is, in many cases the best I think.

[papa_smurf]

Windows 7 user here too, had no problems with it.

[NeonSamurai]

I'm so glad you're so familiar with the fashion tastes of 22 year old girls. That knowledge will serve you well when I apply your new eyeshadow. Would you prefer black, blue, or both? :DL

You should know by now I prefer hot pink. Anyhow right now the hot thing is those ipads. Lots of young ladies sporting those in my classes.

Say what you will, but my iMac has never failed me. Even when I inevitably manage to hopelessly screw up the Windows partition, iMac brings it back. It still runs the latest games on Windows Vista (of all things) without much trouble. It is well worth the $1500 I paid for it.

I've seen macs fail completely and just as badly as windows. I personally do not like paying a surcharge simply because apple has re-branded something. I would comment further, but I do not have time :DL

[Reece]

I would comment further, but I do not have time :DL:har: Well said!:yep:

[UnderseaLcpl]

You should know by now I prefer hot pink.
<sigh> I'll see what I can do.


Anyhow right now the hot thing is those ipads. Lots of young ladies sporting those in my classes.

Makes you wish you had one, doesn't it? Just think of the conversational opportunities.:up:

I've seen macs fail completely and just as badly as windows.
I don't doubt you, but my Mac has never failed me. My PCs, on the other hand, have managed to suffer everything from motherboard faults to hopeless registry damage every two years or so in the course of normal use.


I personally do not like paying a surcharge simply because apple has re-branded something.

I personally do not like like losing my data and paying for new computers on a regular basis. I expect my computer to work reasonably well and be efficient without the need for a lot of action on my part. I am not a software specialist, and I shouldn't have to be one to keep my computer running at optimal capacity.

I would comment further, but I do not have time :DL

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, I must admit that I don't know why that is something Reece would consider funny. I assume it's a reference to something that I'm not aware of. Please explain.

[joea]

Oh noes, not a Mac vs. PC again! Frankly both sides get on my nevers, I got a PC (HP) with Windows 7 last fall and it works great-that said I do like Macs just wasn't willing to shell out extra for two os just to play games. I got an iphone 4 though and really like it.

[gimpy117]

Those Ipads are also useless. I get that and more done on my HP mini.

[Krauter]

I feel like we've been trolled.. Where's the OP?

[Feuer Frei!]

I feel like we've been trolled.. Where's the OP?
No doubt out getting quotes on a P.C.

[MaddogK]

The “I’m a MAC and I’m a PC” videos are wrong. PC is the new Apple. Everything in Windows 7 is a sad attempt to emulate and copy the Apples.

But if I wanted an Apple, I’d buy an Apple. I’m not a 13 year old girl; I want efficiency, cleanliness and professionalism, not fluff and rainbows. I want my work to stand out, and my tools and my desk to fade away, and not the other way around.

Ironically, efficiency and professionalism was what Apples were famous for, before they became Pop and fluffy. Yet I always chose Windows because of its flexibility. I know what kind of computer I need, not Apple.

Well, not anymore. Microsoft knows what I need now, and I need to be Apple. Can I have my perfectly fine expanding Start programs menu? No, that’s too orange and not enough Apple.

The Windows 95 theme wasn’t reached by accident or experiment, but by trial and error. It was a fruit of science, labor and utility. It has perfect contrast: black on light gray, white on dark blue, frames between windows, configuration background gray, work space background white, zero clutter, maximum cleanliness.

Screw that, let’s make everything transparent and shadowy! That’ll help! That’s way more Apple! And make the taskbar bigger too, like Apple’s! And remove the text, leave just icons, like Apple, because our customers don’t work and multitask, they just stare at pretty icons like 13 year old girls! Look, unicorns!

****! Windows 7 is ****!

Even with everything thematic and all special effects turned off, which helps, the Start menu is still the new tiny cluster****, and Windows Explorer is still full of distractions. The optimum Win95 theme can be more or less recovered, but the programs are gone.

The new generation of Microsoft is fail; they are marketing and not professionally oriented. I just cannot see why one must destroy optimality in order to impress the visually impressible or, excuse me, blind. Certainly fat is supposed to go above the muscle or bone layer, the cutting of which should not affect the underlayers. Yet Microsoft has lost the bone.

Congratulations; for the first time ever I am looking positively and seriously at Linux. Go Linux, go! The User knows best; configurability for the win!

Prolly shouldn't knock MS around here, you might get a response like this
I find it amazing how people are anti-microsoft - yet run the software anyway. Windows is a heck of a lot more complex a OS "program" (although its many of them working together) than something like Silent Hunter. The Millions of lines of code that go into an OS compared to those of a game - due to their purpose - are alot more apt to create bugs. Yet, companies like M$ are alot more responsive to problems than say, Ubisoft. *This is not slamming the devs, just that the business models operate very differently and thus the companies have different focuses.*

MS constantly develops patches, workarounds and combined service packs to resolve issues - for years after a product launches. Game companies? Normally a year if your lucky.

But if people get a chance to jump on MS - they do.At least you got A lot of times the issue isn't the OS - its those who use it.Good luck with your win7 issues, win98 lives on my dev PC, XPsp2 on my gamer PC. One day I may finalize my installation of SUSE on my Mac, but I haven't been that desperate (or drunk) in years.

[Garion]

I seem to remember that it was Xerox that first invented the WIMP GUI before the Apple included one on the Apple Lisa...

Also, does anyone remember GEM? I used on a very early PC and my Atari ST back in the mid 80's.

I still miss DOS and have a few old PC's with various flavours of it in the attic:yeah:

Cheers

Garion

[MaddogK]

I seem to remember that it was Xerox that first invented the WIMP GUI before the Apple included one on the Apple Lisa...

Also, does anyone remember GEM? I used on a very early PC and my Atari ST back in the mid 80's.

I still miss DOS and have a few old PC's with various flavours of it in the attic:yeah:

Cheers

Garion

I totally missed the ST and TT series as I was deeply involved with my XE (running SpartaDOS) learning mac65. For the PC (IBM clone) I suggest FreeDOS, it's open source and runs great outside the current MS GUI.

[Garion]

Cool thanks I will give FreeDos a looksee :D

Cheers

Garion

[vienna]

Garion is correct: Xerox's PARC development center did create the first GUI but they did not copyright, patent, or otherwise claim their creation. It was shown freely and publicly to other interested parties (e.g., Apple, MS) and Apple did use it first. When MS started to use the GUI in Windows, Apple sued MS claiming MS stole the "look & feel" from Apple. In court, MS referred back to the Xerox demonstration and Apple's "adaptation" of the GUI. The court ruled Apple had no cliam to the GUI and, with the exception of a couple of desktop icons, dissallowed Apple's claims.

[kiwi_2005]

Windows 7 is a very good OS. Vista and Windows ME are the fail OSes by MS imho. Linux Ubuntu if your going to go Linux as a first timer.

[Feuer Frei!]

Windows 7 is a very good OS. Vista and Windows ME are the fail OSes by MS imho.
Absolutely spot on, when Win 7 came out i was on XP, which imo was the most stable of OS's, and i thought no way am i going to Win 7.
Certainly not for a number of years, because of compatibility issues and the like.
Now, i'm not looking back with Win 7.

[Reece]

Slightly off topic but when is SP1 due?:hmmm:

[Dowly]

Now, i'm not looking back with Win 7.

Same here. :yep:

[HunterICX]

Same here. :yep:

+1

HunterICX

[Feuer Frei!]

Slightly off topic but when is SP1 due?:hmmm:
Microsoft launched the first release candidate for Windows 7 SP1, and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 in late October of last year.
The company also promised that SP1 would arrive in the "first half" of 2011.
Earlier this week, Microsoft released KB 976902 through its Windows Update software before having the knowledge base article to explain what the update was for. It was an update to the Windows stack to get the OS ready for future updates, something the company did ahead of the SP1 Beta back in July.
SOURCE (http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20028544-75.html)

Shouldn't be too far away :hmmm:

[Herr-Berbunch]

Now, i'm not looking back with Win 7.

Same here. :yep:

+1

Make that another one.

I can see the specialism in Macs, but I don't understand why to the average consumer it is hailed as great - along with the price. The versitility and cost of PC ownership outweighs anything Apple can throw my way, and Win7 is the best, most stable platform for PC at the moment. Sure it has it's little foibles but what doesn't?

And I wouldn't have an iPhone, happy with my Android HTC, but then I wouldn't have a Windows Phone 7 just yet either.



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