View Full Version : Pro-democracy rally begins in Algeria, defying ban
Hundreds of people are holding a pro-democracy rally in Algeria's capital Algiers, defying a government ban.
Scuffles broke out between the protesters and riot police and a number of people were reportedly arrested.
Algeria - like Egypt, Tunisia and other countries in the region - has recently witnessed demonstrations for greater freedoms and better living standards.
Public demonstrations are banned in Algeria because of a state of emergency still in place since 1992.
Heavy police presence
About 200 protesters gathered at Algiers' 1 May Square on Saturday morning.
They chanted "Bouteflika out!" - in reference to the country's President Abdelaziz Bouteflika.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12438015
Note: 12 February 2011 Last updated at 11:36 GMT
goldorak
02-12-11, 08:17 AM
UK next, please.
Yeah just wait in line. First we have to
kick out of power Sarko l'americain in France
Berlusconi and his whores in Italy
Wind of change is needed in europe.
Yeah just wait in line..
As long as its not too long. :)
But no, too big wind change, Berlusconi and his whores in Italy driving course, his own race let them be, it will certainly become a movie of it soon
papa_smurf
02-12-11, 11:52 AM
Yeah just wait in line. First we have to
kick out of power Sarko l'americain in France
Berlusconi and his whores in Italy
Wind of change is needed in europe.
Thats easy, just send in John "two jags" Prescott:D
Wind of change is needed in europe.
Be careful what you wish for.
Egyptians can actually improve their government. Europeans (and Americans) on the other hand really have no direction to go but backwards.
goldorak
02-12-11, 02:01 PM
Be careful what you wish for.
Egyptians can actually improve their government. Europeans (and Americans) on the other hand really have no direction to go but backwards.
What americans need is a true representative democracy (and direct election of the president) with a number of viable political parties.
Not 2 that are for all practical purposes the same.
What europeans need is to forgo all this crazy nonsense of being more like americans (with all due respect to you). We like our welfare state even if we pay much more taxes than you do. We like free (or mostly free) education at all levels. We like a health care system that works. What we don't need is a corporatist state as the US has been for the last 2 decades. What we don't want is the destruction of all those advances that we gained as a civil society for the benefit of a number of corporations and private enterprises.
How do you say, profilts are private, whereas loses are spread over the taxpayers. ****** Greed is destroying american social fabric and it is starting to do the same damage in europe. The Dutch had it all figured out and 4 centuries ago. A pity that warning has gone unheard in the new and old continents.
DarkFish
02-12-11, 02:39 PM
What americans need is a true representative democracy (and direct election of the president) with a number of viable political parties.
Not 2 that are for all practical purposes the same.
What europeans need is to forgo all this crazy nonsense of being more like americans (with all due respect to you). We like our welfare state even if we pay much more taxes than you do. We like free (or mostly free) education at all levels. We like a health care system that works. What we don't need is a corporatist state as the US has been for the last 2 decades. What we don't want is the destruction of all those advances that we gained as a civil society for the benefit of a number of corporations and private enterprises.
How do you say, profilts are private, whereas loses are spread over the taxpayers. This is B U L L S H I T. Greed is destroying american social fabric and it is starting to do the same damage in europe. The Dutch had it all figured out and 4 centuries ago. A pity that warning has gone unheard in the new and old continents.+1:up:
But no worries. The America of now is on the brink of extinction. America simply doesn't have the necessary innovation. Only a few companies are still developing new technologies, most are just improving old ones. Production is moving to cheaper countries.
It won't be long before there's nothing left.
The world wealth and power will slowly shift to Asia (Japan as technology center, China as production center), with Europe as a good second place. America? Somewhere down below.
Bull**** what I tell you? Just open your eyes. It's happening already.
Also, kinda strange the most socialized and least individualistic country (Japan) is the best in innovation, the average Europe 2nd and the individualistic America 3rd. Is this just by chance?:D
Betonov
02-12-11, 03:35 PM
What americans need is a true representative democracy (and direct election of the president) with a number of viable political parties.
Not 2 that are for all practical purposes the same.
What europeans need is to forgo all this crazy nonsense of being more like americans (with all due respect to you). We like our welfare state even if we pay much more taxes than you do. We like free (or mostly free) education at all levels. We like a health care system that works. What we don't need is a corporatist state as the US has been for the last 2 decades. What we don't want is the destruction of all those advances that we gained as a civil society for the benefit of a number of corporations and private enterprises.
How do you say, profilts are private, whereas loses are spread over the taxpayers. This is B U L L S H I T. Greed is destroying american social fabric and it is starting to do the same damage in europe. The Dutch had it all figured out and 4 centuries ago. A pity that warning has gone unheard in the new and old continents.
I'd vote for you :up:
They do say that Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others. :hmmm: Once upon a time I would have been the first to shout to bring down the government of the UK, indeed I am often quite delighted to see discontent expressed against our government, however more often than not recently I do begin to ponder just what is the alternative? A military state? Total monarchy? Dictatorship?
Sometimes I think that when people have too much they can forget that they have more than many others. I'm not well off, and I'm lower class, but I am better off than the average Somalian, and even after Dave the chameleon has finished hacking the finances of this country to pieces, I will still be better off than the average Somalian or Zimbabwean. Even when old ladies have to fight crime, I will still be better off than the average African, and I can complain on the internet about my government and not have to use a proxy server or worry about getting a knock on my door at three in the morning, which makes me better off than the average Chinese person.
So, all in all, yes, Dave is useless, but then again there's been a procession of useless leaders for some decades all in it for their benefit and not ours...but would I want to bring down the government? Probably not, because human greed would just put another power hungry man or woman into the top spot for the cycle to begin all over again.
TLAM Strike
02-12-11, 03:50 PM
...however more often than not recently I do begin to ponder just what is the alternative? A military state? Total monarchy? Dictatorship?
Technocracy? :hmmm:
Technocracy? :hmmm:
Would anything get decided? :hmmm:
What americans need is a true representative democracy (and direct election of the president) with a number of viable political parties.
Not 2 that are for all practical purposes the same.
Right, like having multiple parties has really improved the quality of European governments. :DL
What europeans need is to forgo all this crazy nonsense of being more like americans (with all due respect to you).
Yes, definitely, I dislike seeing European countries try to remake themselves as little Americas as much as I dislike seeing Americans try to turn us into copies of the countries our ancestors left behind.
But conversely and with all due respect right back atcha, what Europeans need to do is put your own houses in order first before you start dispensing advice to us.
If you're not us then we're not you either, and therefore your political advice, which makes perfect sense to you is nearly always off the mark when it's applied to our form of government.
We'll elect our President as prescribed by our constitution, which BTW is a lot more directly than European equivalents appointed by the ruling party du jour. We'll also have as many political parties as we want and we'll run our society the way we want.
You Europeans should do the same and vive la différence. As strange as it may seem I think being a bit different makes us our cross Atlantic ties stronger than weaker.
They do say that Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others. :hmmm: Once upon a time I would have been the first to shout to bring down the government of the UK, indeed I am often quite delighted to see discontent expressed against our government, however more often than not recently I do begin to ponder just what is the alternative? A military state? Total monarchy? Dictatorship?
Sometimes I think that when people have too much they can forget that they have more than many others. I'm not well off, and I'm lower class, but I am better off than the average Somalian, and even after Dave the chameleon has finished hacking the finances of this country to pieces, I will still be better off than the average Somalian or Zimbabwean. Even when old ladies have to fight crime, I will still be better off than the average African, and I can complain on the internet about my government and not have to use a proxy server or worry about getting a knock on my door at three in the morning, which makes me better off than the average Chinese person.
So, all in all, yes, Dave is useless, but then again there's been a procession of useless leaders for some decades all in it for their benefit and not ours...but would I want to bring down the government? Probably not, because human greed would just put another power hungry man or woman into the top spot for the cycle to begin all over again.
Darn well said Oberon. You're first class with us!
TLAM Strike
02-12-11, 10:55 PM
Would anything get decided? :hmmm:
...and that would be different than the current system how???
Betonov
02-13-11, 04:50 AM
You Europeans should do the same and vive la différence. As strange as it may seem I think being a bit different makes us our cross Atlantic ties stronger than weaker.
Plus, there would be no tourism, if one would come to a copy of one's own country
goldorak
02-13-11, 05:43 AM
They do say that Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others. :hmmm: Once upon a time I would have been the first to shout to bring down the government of the UK, indeed I am often quite delighted to see discontent expressed against our government, however more often than not recently I do begin to ponder just what is the alternative? A military state? Total monarchy? Dictatorship?
Well its not a 1-0 kind of proposition don't you think ? Wishing for change doesn't mean people embrace a dictatorship or a police state. Change simply means change, a change in perspective. A change in the priorities. etc... It doesn't mean burning and tearing down the system. That is what extremists want.
Sometimes I think that when people have too much they can forget that they have more than many others. I'm not well off, and I'm lower class, but I am better off than the average Somalian, and even after Dave the chameleon has finished hacking the finances of this country to pieces, I will still be better off than the average Somalian or Zimbabwean. Even when old ladies have to fight crime, I will still be better off than the average African, and I can complain on the internet about my government and not have to use a proxy server or worry about getting a knock on my door at three in the morning, which makes me better off than the average Chinese person.
Please, there is always someone worse than you, me or joe 6 pack.
Does this mean we have to accept passively all that is decided ? Does that mean we have to abdicate to our function as citizens in a democracy ?
I live in europe (so do you). What happens in africa, or the us or far east asia is completely inconsequential to my decision to vote for a party rather than another. I give priority to local issues rather the asking myself wether or not some poor guy is cina is getting murdered by their state. Lets put things in the right perspective.
So, all in all, yes, Dave is useless, but then again there's been a procession of useless leaders for some decades all in it for their benefit and not ours...but would I want to bring down the government? Probably not, because human greed would just put another power hungry man or woman into the top spot for the cycle to begin all over again.
Did I ever said I wanted to bring down the system ?
No, I said I was for change. Change can be extreme, can be moderate or something inbetween. I have no intention of being Nero as he watches passively Rome being burned to ashes (although historically he never did this).
:DL
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