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Herr-Berbunch
02-07-11, 10:29 AM
Hi guys, I've just flogged my X52 Pro as I can't justify either the cost or the footprint it takes on my desk.

Can you guys recommend a decent quality replacement that is much cheaper/smaller? I've been out of the joystick buying market for quite some time! :yep:

Thanks, in advance.

Jan Kyster
02-07-11, 02:34 PM
A small joystick with little footprint? :hmmm: Isn't that called a mouse? :D

Some of these are very high recommended... http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/list/categoryID.35208800

Gargamel
02-07-11, 11:35 PM
Betcha this one's cheap.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/218923/80973443.jpg

HunterICX
02-08-11, 04:17 AM
Saitek's Cyborg EVO Force (or without Force) comes to mind.

also by visiting the Saitek's website the other day I came onto this page throught one of Saitek's links

http://cyborggaming.com/

they seem to got some nice joysticks for a very good price.

HunterICX

Dowly
02-08-11, 01:30 PM
Good luck adjusting to any other joystick after X52. :DL

TLAM Strike
02-08-11, 01:43 PM
Looking for a cheap, small joystick?

...I'm surprised and disappointed that no one here has made a joke about looking in your trousers yet... :hmmm:

the_tyrant
02-08-11, 03:31 PM
Looking for a cheap, small joystick?

...I'm surprised and disappointed that no one here has made a joke about looking in your trousers yet... :hmmm:

The joke would be better if it was like this:
Frau:"I need a new toy, so I'm looking for a cheap joystick of manageable size"
Rest of us:"pull down Dowly's pants, the hardest, cheapest, and smallest one you can find!":arrgh!:

FIREWALL
02-08-11, 04:12 PM
Looking for a cheap, small joystick?

...I'm surprised and disappointed that no one here has made a joke about looking in your trousers yet... :hmmm:



The joke would be better if it was like this:
Frau:"I need a new toy, so I'm looking for a cheap joystick of manageable size"
Rest of us:"pull down Dowly's pants, the hardest, cheapest, and smallest one you can find!":arrgh!:


:har: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :har:

frau kaleun
02-08-11, 05:09 PM
I must confess I saw this thread when the OP first posted and it took everything I had NOT to reply to it. :haha: Thought about offering to PM him an old boyfriend's phone# but then I realized I've been, uh, pretty lucky in that regard. :yeah:

Herr-Berbunch
02-09-11, 06:19 AM
Thanks guys, I new I could rely on Hunter and Jan for sensible answers (nearly!). Two out of eight replies - not a bad rate here :O:

I've got my old Sidewinder somewhere, I'll have to dig that out for the time being. At least I have some desk space back, and some cash :woot:

Dowly
02-09-11, 07:29 AM
Well, how much smaller do you want? :hmmm:

Herr-Berbunch
02-09-11, 07:41 AM
I think something without a separate throttle this time, the myriad buttons are great, and the MFD but I lived without them before and I can again!

I can! :o

I will! :cry:

I must! :wah:

Dowly
02-09-11, 11:32 AM
Ah, ok. Well, EVO like Hunter suggested is a pretty good option.

Tho, if you have or you're planning to get DCS:Black Shark, then I'd seek for another stick than the EVO. The Kamov's trimmer and EVO aren't talking. :O:

Herr-Berbunch
02-09-11, 12:10 PM
Ah, ok. Well, EVO like Hunter suggested is a pretty good option.

Tho, if you have or you're planning to get DCS:Black Shark, then I'd seek for another stick than the EVO. The Kamov's trimmer and EVO aren't talking. :O:

Thanks Dowly (:know:) No immediate plans for Black Shark but do have eye on A-10, and no, I don't plan on getting the Warthog HOTAS setup :cry:, not for another decade until the kids have gone (if ever!).

Arclight
02-09-11, 12:50 PM
Does the non-FF Evo have the issue with DCS:BS? Strictly FF related right? :06:

Jan Kyster
02-09-11, 01:09 PM
Was looking for something else http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/smilies/rolleyes.gif and came across a Saitek, some pics: http://www.google.com/images?q=Saitek+Rumble+Pad&hl=da&rls=com.microsoft:da:IE-SearchBox&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=-NVSTc_hLJWK4gb6sL3bCA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=10&ved=0CIQBELAEMAk&biw=1424&bih=1027

Saitek store: http://store.gameshark.net/PC_Gamepads/232


...not for another decade until the kids have gone (if ever!).Call anytime, if help is needed... http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/smilies/nudelholz.gif

Dowly
02-09-11, 01:09 PM
Does the non-FF Evo have the issue with DCS:BS? Strictly FF related right? :06:

Have only heard of the FF one causing problems.

Here's a video showing the problem with DCS:BS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kAipkQwBvU

Tho, my problems was even worse in that there was almost zero input in-game when trying to trim. I would use the trimmer (either the tapping method or hold & release) and once I let go of the stick the Kamov would go nuts.

There was some other joystick with similar problems too, think it was the Saitek ST290. :hmmm:

Buddahaid
02-09-11, 01:34 PM
Thanks guys, I new I could rely on Hunter and Jan for sensible answers (nearly!). Two out of eight replies - not a bad rate here :O:

I've got my old Sidewinder somewhere, I'll have to dig that out for the time being. At least I have some desk space back, and some cash :woot:

The sidewinder software does not work with windows 7 so you can't map the keys. I've been using a Saitek Cyborg EVO since then and it's OK, but not as good as my Sidewinder is/was.

JSLTIGER
02-09-11, 04:07 PM
Still using my Sidewinder here.

Takeda Shingen
02-09-11, 04:13 PM
Still using my Sidewinder here.

Me too. This thread is pretty useful to me, as I am thinking of upgrading in the effort to bring some more utility to my FSX experience without spending a ton of cash or having to rearrange my desktop setup.

Jan Kyster
02-09-11, 04:23 PM
The sidewinder software does not work with windows 7...Several links for Sidewinder/Windows 7 confirms that it works:

"I installed my old Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 on our new laptop running Windows 7 Home Premium with no trouble at all. All I had to do was connect it to the laptop & turn the laptop on. It first identified the new USB device, then indicated it was installing appropriate drivers (from the harddrive or from the Web, I don't know which). A small window announcing that the drivers had been successfully installed then popped up. (The "In Process" window failed to close by itself - I had to hit the "Close" button myself.) I then went to the Control Panel & looked at (I think!) "USB Devices", & Lo & Behold, there it was! "Sidewinder Force Feedback 2". I was even able to get into a calibration window that allowed me to verify the buttons, Z-Axis control, Paddle control, etc., all courtesy of Windows 7. I then started Jane's World War II Fighters (an 11-year old video game which I had installed the day before) & used the Sidewinder to play the game. Shoot, it even provided force feedback during the game!

Upshot: You shouldn't need to install any drivers for the joystick - Windows 7 knows!"

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/4069-63-sidewinder-force-feedback-joystick

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/101956-25-microsoft-sidewinder-precision-joystick

:ping:

CaptainHaplo
02-14-11, 12:18 AM
It isn't really small, but its not as large as some of them out there.... the Logitech Extreme 3d Pro. No force feedback (cuts down on the bulkiness), 12 buttons (programmable), hotas hat and throttle. You can pick one up for under 30 bucks on Amazon.....

*On a totally off the intended point of the OP - I am really wondering where frau got my phone number.... Don't you be giving it out! And I am not cheap!*

PS - yes, I know that was wrong - on so many levels.....

Dowly
02-14-11, 08:54 AM
Is the FF 3D Pro really any bigger than the Extreme 3D Pro? Looking at the photos of them they look the same size. :hmmm:

Herr-Berbunch
02-14-11, 09:24 AM
I think my MS Sidewinder is the Precision Pro - so no FF - which seems to be the bit that has compatibility issues with W7. Still got to find where I've put it - cupboard or garage! :nope:

Buddahaid
02-14-11, 03:45 PM
That must be the difference. It's not that it won't work as a basic joystick, you just don't get the full use. Too bad as it's probably just a software update that never got written.

Jan Kyster
02-14-11, 06:03 PM
Precision Pro...

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistagaming/thread/3e029f57-1349-4228-82e0-790bb6de7baf

http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/compatibility/windows-7/en-us/Details.aspx?type=Hardware&p=Microsoft%20SideWinder%20Precision%20Pro%20Game% 20Controller&v=Microsoft&uid=326-00105&l=en-US&pf=1&pi=7&c=Mice%2C%20Keyboards%20%26%20Input%20Devices&sc=Game%20Controllers&os=64-bit

:D

Gerald
02-14-11, 06:41 PM
Looking for a cheap, small joystick?

...I'm surprised and disappointed that no one here has made a joke about looking in your trousers yet... :hmmm::haha: