Sexually Explicit Book in Florida School Library

[Gerald]

A third-grader in south Florida found a very adult book in his school library this week.Calvin McHenry checked out a graphic novel from the Hebron Heights Elementary School library in Parkland, Fla., and found a story he did not expect to read.

"I saw lots of people killing people and lots of kissing," McHenry said.

The book is called "Tank Girl One," a series about a pilot turned outlaw with a drinking problem who is often prone to violence and routinely finds herself in raunchy sexual situations.

McHenry's mother, Michelle, described the images in the book saying: "There was guns to heads, girls with girls, alcohol, sexual things that are just really, really bad."

The school board said the book arrived by mistake as part of a large shipment for the new library that contained over 7,000 books. The wrong book was even labeled with that title.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/27/sexually-explicit-book-florida-school-library/?test=latestnews

Note: Published January 27, 2011

[the_tyrant]

the most erotic thing we have at our school library is a biology textbook

[Gerald]

Flowers and bees, not bad, :yep:

[Platapus]

Gone are the days when the boys were excited about the new National Geographic issues I guess. :O:

[bookworm_020]

As a librarian, I have seen or heard of some interesting fights over what should be in libraries. Most public libraries in gereral don't censor their collections, but hold any material that could be offensive in stack or storage. If someone wants it, they will get it, an example is "The Satanic Verses"

My Mother was a teacher/librarian, who always had a laugh when she found the boys looking through art books to see naked women.:rotfl2:

[Buddahaid]

Aye, and I've seen some firm granite bottoms that can make you weep. :-?

[krashkart]

Whatever happened to raiding the old man's Penthouse stash? Sheesh! :O:

[Armistead]

Back when I was a kid we couldn't wait for the new Sear's catalog, to check out the undie section...

[DarkFish]

"I saw lots of people killing people and lots of kissing," McHenry said.

[...]

McHenry's mother, Michelle, described the images in the book saying: "There was guns to heads, girls with girls, alcohol, sexual things that are just really, really bad."ZOMFG:eek: OH NOOOOEEEEES!!!!!! People kissing and people with guns killing people!!! And even [shiver] ALCOHOL!!!:o:o:o:dead:
http://rolltidebama.com/forum/images/smilies/smiley_panic.gif
What are we gonna do now? That kid is never gonna be able to lead a normal life again! Never will he be able to have sex or take a drink, without being reminded of this traumatic experience from his childhood!!!! Because of this he won't be able to have sex, so he'll become a nerd. But he can't become a nerd because he can't play games. So he'll end up as an emo:o:dead:

[krashkart]

ZOMFG:eek: OH NOOOOEEEEES!!!!!! People kissing and people with guns killing people!!! And even [shiver] ALCOHOL!!!:o:o:o:dead:
http://rolltidebama.com/forum/images/smilies/smiley_panic.gif
What are we gonna do now? That kid is never gonna be able to lead a normal life again! Never will he be able to have sex or take a drink, without being reminded of this traumatic experience from his childhood!!!! Because of this he won't be able to have sex, so he'll become a nerd. But he can't become a nerd because he can't play games. So he'll end up as an emo:o:dead:

The main thrust of the article is that the book was found in a school library. OMFG how did that happen?

EDIT:


Edited significantly.

[Betonov]

Yep, he was a bit young for this kind of a book, but h has to start asking ''the questions'' one day

[Catfish]

Darkfish wrote:

" ... ZOMFG:eek: OH NOOOOEEEEES!!!!!! People kissing and people with guns killing people!!! And even [shiver] ALCOHOL!!!:o:o:o:dead:
http://rolltidebama.com/forum/images/smilies/smiley_panic.gif
What are we gonna do now? That kid is never gonna be able to lead a normal life again! Never will he be able to have sex or take a drink, without being reminded of this traumatic experience from his childhood!!!! Because of this he won't be able to have sex, so he'll become a nerd. But he can't become a nerd because he can't play games. So he'll end up as an emo:o:dead: ..."

I could no have said it better. "Tank girl" is just an older comic (and this is maybe why it found its way to said library), and much less violent or sexually explicit than most of other older and newer US comics circulating among the youth. In the sixties it was Barbarella, Evarella and all kinds of drug comics, now you have bands like "Slipknot" and this culture is being reflected in all kind of media.
America is so hypocritical, on one hand all actors wear underwear in sex scenes of Hollywood productions, on the other the hardest Pornos are produced by your neighbour, and sent to YouTube. Public drinking of alcohol only from bottles in paperbags. But get those 18-year old in the army and let them kill or be killed :dead:

I agree it should not be in a school library - but if you really want to hide this stuff away from your children, where do you want to begin ?
All that makes money is sacred, this is especially true in the US, and the sex and porn market is alive and expanding or so it seems. They want to sell stuff, and the consumer cannot be young (and thus, dumb) enough. Young people are easy to influence :shifty:
So again, where do you begin ?

Greetings,
Catfish

[Tribesman]

So it was supposed to be a book about a school bully with an abusive stepfather struggling with education and trying to understand the females of the species.
Easy to mix the two up I suppose.

[Betonov]

I agree it should not be in a school library - but if you really want to hide this stuff away from your children, where do you want to begin ?


You shouldnt keep stuff like this from the children, You should show them and have a talk with them about what everything is, whats right and wrong and at an early enough age that they'll even listen, not when they're 16.
They will learn eventually, the difference is will you teach them to have sex responsibly and safely or they'll learn it the way I did, trough alcohol.

[GoldenRivet]

the real problem here.




kids these days cant keep their damned mouths shut... kid could have had a good thing going!!:haha:

[CaptainHaplo]

THe issue here isn't that the book exists....

It about the fact that it was easily accessible to an 8 year old child.

Sure, the kid is going to learn sometime, but who are all of you that are going "whats the big deal" to determine when that child is mature enough to have those subjects in front of him? The attitude displayed here - "oh its some violence and people kissing" shows the desensitization of society to the idea of something being AGE APPROPRIATE!

As a parent, there is a time to have those discussions. Having young children exposed to homosexuality, lethal violence, etc. at 8 years old by mistake is one thing. Seeing people go "what's the big deal?" however is downright scary.

[Growler]

the real problem here.




kids these days cant keep their damned mouths shut... kid could have had a good thing going!!:haha:


LOL... hell, we knew to keep our damnedfool mouths shut, and we turned out OK.

What's worse? The kid being exposed to the stuff he's gonna learn about someday, anyway, or the absolute hysteria his "authority" figures - and now the media - are making over it? Instead of handling this like adults - taking the book away from the child, explaining that it was not a book the child should have had, and raising the issue - quietly - with the school, these people are artificially inflating the importance of the issue, and garnering national press coverage for it.

[Penguin]

Hey, you're missing the good news: There are still 8yr olds out there who read! :up:
Though this child and his mother should be jailed for not acknowledging a good comic book! :D

I didn't spend much time in US-high school libraries, but from what I remember they were "all ages", therefore they don't have adult/adolescent material at all. So there lies the legal problem for this particular school, especially when it was only an elementary school.
As I grew up in the third world (Germany), we didn't have a hs-library at all. The public librariers here they do have sections for a mature audience (no hardcore porn though). Regarding comic books they differ between kids and adolescent comics.

The attitude displayed here - "oh its some violence and people kissing" shows the desensitization of society to the idea of something being AGE APPROPRIATE!

As a parent, there is a time to have those discussions. Having young children exposed to homosexuality, lethal violence, etc. at 8 years old by mistake is one thing.

So do you really think 8-year-old kids shouldn't see people kissing? :o

The violence thingy I can understand to some point, I see the same at friends with kids, they do the same thing to show their children an ideleaized world. One must regard who many violence an average 8yr old has already seen on TV or in the real world. However I agree that one shouldn't be exposed to the ****tyness of the world at once, but step by step.

Instead of handling this like adults [...], these people are artificially inflating the importance of the issue, and garnering national press coverage for it.

in other words: mass media - blowing more things out of proportion than all adult actresses in the world combined!

[GoldenRivet]

I took an art class in 8th grade, we spent a fair amount of time making some sort of crafts (like my awesome pin hole camera i still have today).

but a lot of the time was spent gaining practice at drawing the human form (faces, hands stuff like that).

I would practice at home on large sheets of velum all the way down to standard computer paper.

every time i would practice drawing the human form it was from a book called "Human anatomy for the Artist."

AND

every time i would practice drawing the human form - it was pin up style nude women :yeah:

things went well until my parents discovered my art work and gave me a talk... my response was succinct - borderline smart-ass - "I'm 13 years old and I really like naked women."

Relieved i suppose that i wasn't drawing nude men and also recognizing talent, they purchased additional art books with the suggestion that anything i would draw in the future should be clothed. I dabbled in comic book style drawings for another year or two and more or less stopped drawing a lot altogether when i got my drivers license and discovered more worthy pursuits.

[SgtPotato]

Did you guys realize that the link he posted come from Fox News?

[TLAM Strike]

It about the fact that it was easily accessible to an 8 year old child.

Well I assume by 8 years old they can spell... all they have to do is walk up to a computer and type

g o o g l e . c o m
b o o b i e s >enter<

[GoldenRivet]

Did you guys realize that the link he posted come from Fox News?

so the conclusion we can clearly draw here is that Fox News is the only media outlet that dramatizes news events in the United States and should clearly be shut down for this infraction.:hmmm:

[TLAM Strike]

so the conclusion we can clearly draw here is that Fox News is the only media outlet that dramatizes news events in the United States and should clearly be shut down for this infraction.:hmmm:

Well for that and that Fox News is Related to the Fox Network which canceled Firefly and Futurerama; thus all who work for Fox should be hunted down and executed...

:shifty:



:O:

[GoldenRivet]

firefly i guess i could understand.

futurama though... :stare:

[Penguin]

thus all who work for Fox should be hunted down and executed...

:shifty:



:O:


be more aggressive!




:smug:

[Schroeder]

Must be a slow news day...:roll:

[breadcatcher101]

Why bother with a book when you can go to the beach and see the same things in person. Men kissing each other and the like.

I am not bothered by what they do--not really, but I don't want to have this thrown in my face.

Stay in the closet I say.

[Dowly]

Bah, at 8 years old, I was already rummaging through my dad's pron stash whenever they weren't home. :haha:

The bastard actually taped pron over my copy of Batman! :stare: (tho, in all fairness, I think it was better than Batman what I found from the tape :DL)

[Tchocky]

Tank Girl? Awesome stuff, wish I'd read it younger than I did :DL

[the_tyrant]

Bah, at 8 years old, I was already rummaging through my dad's pron stash whenever they weren't home. :haha:

The bastard actually taped pron over my copy of Batman! :stare: (tho, in all fairness, I think it was better than Batman what I found from the tape :DL)

:har:
well you have more experience in these matters than the rest of us

[Kaye T. Bai]

Remember guise:

Guns and beer = good
Nipples and tits = bad

Quick! Everybody post how old you were when you first masturbated! ;)

[Gerald]

Remember guise:

Guns and beer = good
Nipples and tits = bad

Quick! Everybody post how old you were when you first masturbated! ;) Kaye T. Bai! Should you start to tell when it was, in your last sentence in your post..

[Betonov]

http://satwcomic.com/art/it-s-complicated.jpg
http://satwcomic.com/it-s-complicated

Oh for the love of god, they're just two pieces of meat with a sole function of feeding a baby. Yes, I love those pieces of meat on a woman since they are comfortable and warm. Proabibly anyone has had a nipple in their mouth before they were one week old and we all seen a vagina when we were born.

In short: when a child sees a naked woman, he wont know what's it about. Naked woman, naked man... just people minus clothes. You can show a kid some hardcore porn and it wont do any damage to him/her, except from boring him to death. When puberty comes the changes will come and only then sexually explicit material is going to be sexual for a person. Kids need to be taught safe and responsible sex, not to prevent them from having one, trust me, doctors and psycologists know more than the church

[Gerald]

You describe your own feelings now, or..

[Betonov]

You describe your own feelings now, or..
You talking to me huh ??, you talking to me... well, if you are: not my feelings but my opinion. My parents never ''shielded'' me from sexually excplicit material and I am not a raving sexual predator nor pedophille nor a pervert (at least publicly). They caught me watching porn one time (I was too young to know how to stroke the hairy monster) and I asked what they are doing and mom simply said: wait a few years, you'll know too soon. And I changed channels as I found the movie to be boring. And I still do. No damage done.

Contrary some of my friends, especially those with more religious parents are total neandrethals when it comes to sex, woooo bobies, ass, tits, me want like bloody animals.

Bit as I recall it's about the comic. It has absolutely no place in such a library, but as someone previously said, the problem would have been solved with no fuss in 10 minutes. Just like finding a coloring book on Agatha Christie section of the library

[Gerald]

:agree:

[Platapus]

I can't understand the reasoning.

We can't expose children to nudity and sexuality because their minds are too young to properly process it. A child needs to be "old enough" to be able to handle this material and make their own decisions. Exposing a child "too soon" may adversely affect them later in life.

But we expose these same children to religion. :doh:

Would it not be great if religion was also treated as an "adult" matter? I wonder how many would subscribe to the various religions if they were allowed to mature to adulthood before being exposed to the material?

Just something I think about whenever I hear arguments about "keeping children safe". We seem pretty selective about what to protect children from.

[Growler]

I can't understand the reasoning.

We can't expose children to nudity and sexuality because their minds are too young to properly process it. A child needs to be "old enough" to be able to handle this material and make their own decisions. Exposing a child "too soon" may adversely affect them later in life.

But we expose these same children to religion. :doh:

Would it not be great if religion was also treated as an "adult" matter? I wonder how many would subscribe to the various religions if they were allowed to mature to adulthood before being exposed to the material?

Just something I think about whenever I hear arguments about "keeping children safe". We seem pretty selective about what to protect children from.

This. Totally.
18 to vote.
21 to drink.
16 for a rifle.
17 to enlist.

.08 seconds to God/Allah/Yahweh/FSM/IPU?

[DarkFish]

Sure, the kid is going to learn sometime, but who are all of you that are going "whats the big deal" to determine when that child is mature enough to have those subjects in front of him? The attitude displayed here - "oh its some violence and people kissing" shows the desensitization of society to the idea of something being AGE APPROPRIATE!And who are you to say "homosexuality, kissing and alcohol are things kids shouldn't be allowed to see"?

As a parent, there is a time to have those discussions. Having young children exposed to homosexuality, lethal violence, etc. at 8 years old by mistake is one thing. Seeing people go "what's the big deal?" however is downright scary.Homosexuality is wrong for an 8 year old to see?! Are you serious? If it were for me, all kids would be educated about homosexuality at a very young age. Not everyone is heterosexual and hiding that fact isn't gonna change a thing.
You know what the problem is? The oh-so-holy bible says homosexuality is wrong, so once again the christians impose their rulings on everyone. If christians want to withhold the real world from their children, be my guest. But why do others always have to suffer for it?


I'm glad my parents have never ever shielded me of anything. They didn't promote things, but if I happened to see something they didn't make a big fuss about it. At most they explained things to me.

I've got two gay uncles, and my parents have never made it a secret that they don't love women like "normal" men do. The fact that some people are gay was just a plainly normal thing when I grew up. It didn't make me a gay myself.
When I became 12, my mother made me read a book about sexuality. I'm thankful for that. Didn't make me a pervert.
I can't remember when I first saw a war movie, but I'm pretty sure it must have been well before I reached 10. I played violent games long before I reached their PEGI ages. Neither of that made me a violent person.
My dad occasionally let me drink of his beer since much longer ago than I can remember. I can't have been much older than 6 when I had my first alcohol. And guess what - it didn't make me an alcoholic.

I agree that particular comic shouldn't have been in that particular (section of the) library. But it isn't a disaster. The kid isn't gonna be any better or worse because he's read the comic.

In my eyes you should not promote, nor prevent seeing things. Kids will ask about things when they're ready for it, and when they are they should be told everything they want to know. Withholding information isn't gonna help anyone.

The only really bad thing in this story is the mum. She should have explained the things her kid saw in that comic, and simply call the library to remove the book. But instead she chose to pursue personal fame by making it a huge problem. Shame on her.

[Sailor Steve]

Oh for the love of god, they're just two pieces of meat with a sole function of feeding a baby.
A slight disagreement from me. Out of approximately 5500 species of mammals, which are defined by the existence of mammary glands for nursing their young, only the human female have protruding breasts which the male of the species seem to be automatically attracted to.

I'd say that feeding a baby is not only their sole purpose, but arguably not even their primary purpose. :D

[antikristuseke]

I am convinced they primary purpouse is to jiggle and jiggle....jiggle... what was I talking about?

[Sailor Steve]

I am convinced they primary purpouse is to jiggle and jiggle....jiggle... what was I talking about?
I need to take this opportunity to complain about Dowly's newest sig. I never quite seem to read his posts...
:rotfl2:

[gimpy117]

you shouldn't expose a child to nudity on purpose, but if it happens I don't think we should all freak out and act like the world is ending.

Kids need like everything else, to be taught about sex some time in their life, not just let go by the time they turn sexually active without any idea what it is, the consequences, or how to be safe during the act. Europe to my knowledge has been much less up-tight about this kind of thing, and their teen pregnancy rates are lower... no wonder.

Kids in america aren't really raised in a very good climate of sexual education. were shown all these sex scenes on tv, shown that sex is great in effect, but we really aren't sown how to be safe themselves. We only had three "sex ed classes" that showed us the "parts" and then just quickly told us how to put on a condom and that was pretty much it. Even worse are the abstinence only programs :shifty:. I see a lot of kids from my high school either knocking up a girl, or getting knocked up and it scares me.

so no, when i think a child stumbles across a book like this, it's not a moment to whig out...but a moment to teach a kid.

[Betonov]

A slight disagreement from me. Out of approximately 5500 species of mammals, which are defined by the existence of mammary glands for nursing their young, only the human female have protruding breasts which the male of the species seem to be automatically attracted to.

I'd say that feeding a baby is not only their sole purpose, but arguably not even their primary purpose. :D
I never specified the age of the baby and never mentioned the food is mothers-milk :D Some ice-cream, massage oil and a photocopying machine... I miss high school

[UnderseaLcpl]

A slight disagreement from me. Out of approximately 5500 species of mammals, which are defined by the existence of mammary glands for nursing their young, only the human female have protruding breasts which the male of the species seem to be automatically attracted to.

I'd say that feeding a baby is not only their sole purpose, but arguably not even their primary purpose. :D

And you'd be close to right according to sexual selection theory, which posits that it's not always the survival of the fittest but rather the survival of those that reproduce most effectively. By whatever means available. Even telling phenotypical "lies".

Human females are uniquely adapted in that they have a prediliction towards accumulating fat deposits in specific areas of the body, notably the hips, breasts, and buttocks. There is absolutely no functional advantage to this. It actually kind of defeats the purpose of fat by relocating it away from the core, where it is needed for insulation.

Where it becomes an advantage is in the process of attracting a mate. Whether they knew it or not, early human males were attracted to females with wide hips because wider hips offered a greater chance of any offspring surviving. Having large craniums (another effect of sexual selection pressure) is nice but it's difficult to also have a bipedal-structure female pelvic cavity wide enough to accomodate one without the female being rendered unstable or immmobile. This is why birth is such a painful and occassionally fatal process for people. Similarly, early males were attracted to large breasts because it meant the female in question was not only healthy, but also had capable mammary glands. Large, capable glands are nice for the young, but they also require resources to maintain and are....unwieldy when you're constantly having to fight or flee for survival.

With such physical limitations, the path of the reproductively successful was laid out. Only two types of female could attract the best mates: those who actually had the assets, and those who looked like they had the assets.

This is an oversimplification but it basically explains the theory.

[Buddahaid]

The children learn from their parents nervous embarrasment that the nude body is a dirty thing to behold, yet the natural urge cannot be denied. Norman.... Norman...... BEEp BEEp beep BEep beEP...