Quick Question About A German Word [Archive]

krashkart

01-26-11, 07:08 AM

Well, I know Schublade (drawer), or it can indead have something to do with "Schublage", though that words is a bit unusual and would mean as much as "state of thrust". "Schubs" on the other hand means as much as a weak push.

But plain "Schubslagengeb" makes no sense whatsoever. Maybe some sort of Abbrevation? Where did you find it and in what context?

I'm trying to help another member identify something in their collection of Uboat stuff. Here's a link to their thread:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=179230

Here's the original post from there:

I have some U-boat data plates that came from a Type VIIC or Type IX that has the following words. The plates are circular. Does anyone have an idea of what they mean or know of where in any of those pictures these would have been located?

"Notklappe bei Gefahr" this is a circular ID plate.
around it is another plate with words such as:
- Fuhrungsrohr lagerbock, Mundungsklappe Lagerbock oben, Mundungsklappe Lagerbock unten, Schubslagengeb Stopfbuchse, Schubslagengeb Gleitbahn

Gammelpreusse

01-26-11, 07:31 AM

I'm trying to help another member identify something in their collection of Uboat stuff. Here's a link to their thread:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=179230

Definitely some kind of Abbreviation, but still a very odd combo. Especially the "S" behind Schub makes me scratch my head. "Schubs" is a common man on the street word, never ever heard it in the context of machinery or technology. Just made a quick search without any result. Sorry, but can't help you here.

Is there a foto or an original document floating around somewhere of where that line was found? There is a chance it was wrongly read in the first place. Within the context of the other words it appears to have a lot to do with the ejection system of the torpedo tubes.

Maybe someone else here has more knowledge in this regard.

VipertheSniper

01-26-11, 07:43 AM

Gerald

01-26-11, 08:04 AM

Where were you, when a German class began, you chased girls instead :O:

krashkart

01-26-11, 08:19 AM

Definitely some kind of Abbreviation, but still a very odd combo. Especially the "S" behind Schub makes me scratch my head. "Schubs" is a common man on the street word, never ever heard it in the context of machinery or technology. Just made a quick search without any result. Sorry, but can't help you here.

I certainly learned something new there. The extra "s" makes quite a difference. :)

Is there a foto or an original document floating around somewhere of where that line was found? There is a chance it was wrongly read in the first place.The OP didn't post any reference materials in their thread. Hopefully they log back in soon and see Viper's question.

Within the context of the other words it appears to have a lot to do with the ejection system of the torpedo tubes.Oops! I am in error. I took "thrust" to mean that it might have something to do with the boat's propulsion. :oops:

Thank you for your help, Gammelpreusse. Much appreciated. :yep:

Dowly

01-26-11, 08:22 AM

He posted the same question to ubootwaffe.net forums.

http://www.ubootwaffe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1805&view=next&sid=0a89ea28177795ac6ceb166f835fa9cd

VipertheSniper

01-26-11, 08:26 AM

Nope he didn't... he registered there 4 years ago... the thread there was posted on Jan. 4th 2011

krashkart

01-26-11, 08:27 AM

I've replied in the other thread, but I can assure you when your German class was anything like our English class, you still wouldn't have the slightest idea what technical terms mean, even if you did pay attention.

One thing I do remember was our teacher telling us something similar to that. He said that to fully understand we would have to live in country for some years before catching on to some of the finer points of the language. :DL

Edit: Thanks for the assist. :)

Where were you, when a German class began, you chased girls instead :O:

My first semester I slept. Second semester I paid better attention. Now it's been close to twenty years since then and most of what I did learn has slipped away. :)

Dowly

01-26-11, 08:34 AM

Nope he didn't... he registered there 4 years ago... the thread there was posted on Jan. 4th 2011

Ah, my mistake. :yeah:

Skybird

01-26-11, 08:54 AM

Just a far-fetched guess of mine:

abbreviation for "Schublagengebrauch" (the "s" maybe is just a glitch in the sim)

meaning: using ("Gebrauch") or setting (probably torpedo-) attitude ("Lage") or depth, or maybe switching steam or electrical torpedo functions.

I could also imagine that the whole word is quoted wrong. "Schubslage" makes no sense alone, there is no such word in German. "Schubs" usually is translated as "(small) push", meaning a kind of piush that has nothing to do at all with "pushing" in terms of "ejecting something".

Translations can be a tricky thing, and while a linbear translation one context may work well, the same linear translation a different context may mess things up completely. I realise that sometimes in dubbed movies. Mostly it is done very well in Germany, but occasionally they simply translate BS when doing it totally linear and word-by-word.

Schroeder

01-26-11, 11:10 AM

- Fuhrungsrohr lagerbock, Mundungsklappe Lagerbock oben, Mundungsklappe Lagerbock unten, Schubslagengeb Stopfbuchse, Schubslagengeb Gleitbahn

I'm pretty sure your friend did mistake a ß (it's called SZ) for a b.;)
That explains why it doesn't make sense in German.:D
I believe a "Schußlagengeber" is the device that inputs the torpedo course into the torpedo from the TDC (I'm not sure though).

Growler

01-26-11, 11:17 AM

I bet you've got it, Herr Schroeder.

Penguin

01-26-11, 11:23 AM

Schröder, this makes sense! A "Schußlagengeber Gleitbahn" could be the device to control the firing angle of the eel.
However a "Schußlagengeber Stopfbuchse" would make no sense (assuming that they belong together).

Growler

01-26-11, 11:31 AM

Note, though, that the words as they appear in the quoted text may not be as they appear on a circular plate with different "positions" at which a dial, needle, or gauge may rest.

Like a circular volume switch, where the number "0" rests at the 7 o'clock position, and the number "10" rests at the 5 o'clock position; the dial turns clockwise from 0 to 10, but on a line, the 0 and 10 appear side-by-side. Make sense?

Penguin

01-26-11, 11:39 AM

Yes, good point! A (circular) plate could also be used to label 2 different devices in a crowded environment, like at 9 and 3 o'clock position from the plate.

Skybird

01-26-11, 11:57 AM

I'm pretty sure your friend did mistake a ß (it's calles SZ) for a b.;)
That explains why it doesn't make sense in German.:D
I believe a "Schußlagengeber" is the device that inputs the torpedo course into the torpedo from the TDC (I'm not sure though).
Very well, Dr. Watson! :yeah:

Schroeder

01-26-11, 01:03 PM

However a "Schußlagengeber Stopfbuchse" would make no sense (assuming that they belong together).
Maybe it's the plug in from the TDC to the eel. That would make sense again.:hmmm:

@Skybird
Thanks.:salute:

Penguin

01-26-11, 02:25 PM

Maybe it's the plug in from the TDC to the eel. That would make sense again.

ahh, ja! The Stopfbuchse for the Schußlagengeber! Damn German language :88) - too hard for me today!
<-- overworked and underfed - need... food... now...
Anyway, good find!

or maybe they fired the Stopfbuchse as a last resort: "Herr Kaleu, we are out of torpedos!" "Hit the Tommies with the Stopfbuchse!" :DL

Skybird

01-26-11, 02:36 PM

Sie müssen nur den Nippel durch die Lasche zieh'n
Und mit der kleinen Kurbel ganz nach oben dreh'n
Da erscheint sofort ein Pfeil
Und da drücken Sie dann drauf
Und schon geht die Torpedoluke auf!
(Mike Krüger)

Ich erneu‘re rasch die Dichtung,
Und dann stimmt auch schon die Richtung,
Wenn man einen Stopfen in die Röhre pfropft,
Kann es sein, daß der Rücklaufkrümmer tropft.
Doch wahrscheinlich hat ein Doppelflansch geklemmt,
Darum hab‘ ich gleich die Mauer aufgestemmt
Und das Halbrundstück durchstochen
Und die Wohnungswand durchbrochen
Und die Nachbarwohnung auch noch überschwemmt.
Es gibt nichts, was einen Klempner hemmt.
Ein dreifach Hoch dem, der dies‘ gold‘ne Handwerk schuf.
Es gibt immer ein paar Muffen
Abzuhau‘n und krumm zu buffen,
Es gibt immer was zu plantschen,
An den Hähnen zu verflanschen.
(Reinhard Mey) -> Ich bin Klempner von Beruf (http://www.reinhard-mey.de/start/texte/alben/ich-bin-klempner-von-beruf)

Der alte Schleusenwärter klinkt die Spundten
und wenn es achtern aus den Rahen drulpt,
pinnt er die Klieken über Luv nach unten
dann wird die Kellin in den Wind gehulpt.
(Ulrich Roski) -> Des Schleusenwärters blindes Töchterlein (http://www.golyr.de/ulrich-roski/songtext-des-schleusenwaerters-blindes-toechterlein-451461.html)

Gerald

01-26-11, 02:38 PM

Sie müssen nur den Nippel durch die Lasche zieh'n
Und mit der kleinen Kurbel ganz nach oben dreh'n
Da erscheint sofort ein Pfeil
Und da drücken Sie dann drauf
Und schon geht die Torpedoluke auf! More easy,You need only Dart around the nipple by the tongue
And gurdy with the little crank to the top
Because now, an arrow
And when you press on it then
And already goes to the torpedo hatch!

Skybird

01-26-11, 02:48 PM

More easy,You need only Dart around the nipple by the tongue
And gurdy with the little crank to the top
Because now, an arrow
And when you press on it then
And already goes to the torpedo hatch!
:D Better don't even try! :har:
This is humour just for the advanced. :woot:

Gerald

01-26-11, 02:58 PM

:D Better don't even try! :har:
This is humour just for the advanced. :woot: I did not even try to see the fun, if it was funny, only a simple translation, and it can hardly be advanced, perhaps if you are German and come from Münster,so what you want to say is that you are a bit "funnier and smarter" one second...

Catfish

01-26-11, 03:00 PM

Hello,
ahh, ja! The Stopfbuchse for the Schußlagengeber! Damn German language :88) - too hard for me today!
<-- overworked and underfed - need... food... now...
Anyway, good find!
or maybe they fired the Stopfbuchse as a last resort: "Herr Kaleu, we are out of torpedos!" "Hit the Tommies with the Stopfbuchse!" :DL

The Stopfbuchse is usually a gland or a packing box - something to seal a moving part against the wall it penetrates. The moving part may be a turning propshaft, or a moving connecting rod of some kind, that has to be sealed water- or oiltight.

The other thing "Schusslagengeber" is the device that transmits the settings for the the torpedo mechanically. There was at least one (usually 2) breakthrough(s) through the torpedo tube wall, where a connecting rod was used to adjust the torp settings, when the torp was already being loaded in the tube. This was remotely done automatically, by adjusting the TDC. It surely is a Schusslagengeber, or Schußlagengeber (an ss = ß in older german writing).

The "Schussunterlagen" or "Schußunterlagen" are the data that are to be fed into the torpedo, to adjust its settings via the Schusslagengeber. It is still called like that today in german boats, only that the adjustments are fully electrical nowadays via cable or (tested) even induction.
The "Lage" is the attitude the torpedo has or will turn to, towards its environment (in a 2-D plane usually coupled to the internal gyrocompass for heading/bearing, and to a depth control).

The translation would be something like a mechnical "shooting attitude transmitter", I just don't know what it is called correctly, in english ?

Greetings,
Catfish

Skybird

01-26-11, 03:03 PM

I did not even try to see the fun, if it was funny, only a simple translation, and it can hardly be advanced, perhaps if you are German and come from Münster,so what you want to say is that you are a bit "funnier and smarter" one second...

Take it easy. :salute: The translation does not work, nor does it transport the humour. And yes, it is just for those understanding German (and knowing past times) in here, but currently there are quite some guys here who do understand German indeed, at least a bit. ;)

frau kaleun

01-26-11, 03:05 PM

Take it easy. :salute: The translation does not work, nor does it transport the humour. And yes, it is just for those understanding German (and knowing past times) in here, but currently there are quite some guys here who do understand German indeed, at least a bit. ;)

I understand very little German but I'm just going to assume it's something naughty. :O:

Gerald

01-26-11, 03:08 PM

Skybird

01-26-11, 03:08 PM

The translation would be something like a "shooting attitude controller", I just don't know what it is called correctly, in english ?

Quite well, I would translate it as "shot attitude selector".

BTW, "Unterlagen" (Schussunterlagen) are papers, documents. Just "Schußlage" alone already sounds fine.

It could be that also "Schußvorhalt" is meant, translated as "lead".

Skybird

01-26-11, 03:10 PM

I understand very little German but I'm just going to assume it's something naughty. :O:
Oh, is it you with the Lebkuchen again!? I love Lebkuchen, at least when they are the original ones (no flour used). I love you, Fräulein - as long as your Lebkuchen lasts! :D

DarkFish

01-26-11, 03:19 PM

frau kaleun

01-26-11, 03:29 PM

Oh, is it you with the Lebkuchen again!? I love Lebkuchen, at least when they are the original ones (no flour used). I love you, Fräulein - as long as your Lebkuchen lasts! :D

Not the same brand pictured that we usually get, but they are Feine Nürnberger Oblaten-Lebkuchen:

http://www.codecheck.info/img/119439/1

The int'l market here gets a huge shipment in from Germany every year right at Oktoberfest time, shelves and shelves. By Christmas you're lucky if you can find any left, and usually it's just the ones with dark chocolate on them that I don't much care for... I prefer the ones with the sugar glaze (?) on top.

This year I bought several packs back in September which were gone by Thanksgiving and then 6 more between Thanksgiving and Christmas. I still have 2 packs unopened and a couple in the cookie jar. Which is unusual, because typically when I tear open a pack I eat all 6-7 cookies right off. :O:

frau kaleun

01-26-11, 03:31 PM

lol:DL

I speak just enough German to understand this:DL

I suspect it has something to do with how best to go about getting someone else to open the appropriate hatch for the subsequent loading and firing of one's torpedo. :O:

DarkFish

01-26-11, 03:51 PM

I suspect it has something to do with how best to go about getting someone else to open the appropriate hatch for the subsequent loading and firing of one's torpedo. :O:That's pretty much it. Very useful information for a submariner. It's really useful to know how to put your torpedo in a tube. After all you want your load to penetrate the target as deeply as possible:yep:

Growler

01-26-11, 03:56 PM

This...

You need not worry, no hard feelings here, :up:

plus this...

That's pretty much it. Very useful information for a submariner. It's really useful to know how to put your torpedo in a tube. After all you want your load to penetrate the target as deeply as possible:yep:

equals mirth, amusement, even hilarity.
:rotfl2:

Skybird

01-26-11, 04:11 PM

Not the same brand pictured that we usually get, but they are Feine Nürnberger Oblaten-Lebkuchen:

http://www.codecheck.info/img/119439/1

The int'l market here gets a huge shipment in from Germany every year right at Oktoberfest time, shelves and shelves. By Christmas you're lucky if you can find any left, and usually it's just the ones with dark chocolate on them that I don't much care for... I prefer the ones with the sugar glaze (?) on top.

This year I bought several packs back in September which were gone by Thanksgiving and then 6 more between Thanksgiving and Christmas. I still have 2 packs unopened and a couple in the cookie jar. Which is unusual, because typically when I tear open a pack I eat all 6-7 cookies right off. :O:

I know the brand on that picture, Weiss, and believe me, they are just inferior in quality. Try to get for example "Wicklein" brand.

Also, "Nürnburger Lebkuchen" is a protected term, two conditons must fit: they must be produced within the city area of Nürnberg, and the industrially produced massware shall not have more than 10% flour.

However, originally, Nürnberger Lebkuchen are made without any flour and without yeast at all, just nuts, honey, oil seeds and spices. That'S what makes them quite a hefty meal, and that'S why they got their name: cakes of life.

Also, there is a premium quality class, which is called "Nürnberger Elisen Lebkuchen". They are made with more nuts and almonds, and they are more expensive therefore. However, these are what Lebkuchen really is about. If you compare Weiss Nürnberger Lebkuchen and Wicklein Nürnberger Elisen Lebkuchen, you will never look at the normal and cheap ones again. Cheap Lebkuchen just has one taste, but quality Lebkuchen should offer yopur toingue a diverse spectrum of aromes, and should be juicy, fresh, and in a way even "fruity".

On Internet, and within Nürnberg, you can get/order Nürnberger Lebkuchen throughout all seasons. Bakers in Nürnberg also produce them all the year.

Within the German market, if you pay at least 4 Euros for a pack of 5 standard-sized Elisen LKebkuchen, you are entering the product range where things really become interesting, and quality taste starts to make itself obvious to your tongue. Can't comment on export prices in other countries, though. The most expensive pack of four standard-sized Elisen Lebkuchen that I ever was offered to taste, costed 10 Euros. And they had fallen down from heaven indeed.

BTW, the Lebkuchen-hearts you can buy cheap on German "Kirmes", christmas markets and fairgrounds, are crap, and just for small kids and for the looks and writings on them. They are made with lots of flour, and are free of other inevitable ingredients. They are called Lebkuchen, but they have nothing to do with it. Same is true for much of the christmas cookies one can buy in hug boxes in the supermarket, misleadingly labelled as "Lebkuchen". In taste they compare like a cheap everyday wine for 1,59 compares to a great wine for 20 or more Euros.

Don't buy too cheap Lebkuchen, its a waste, really. ;)

Weiss Pinguin

01-26-11, 04:12 PM

I understand very little German but I'm just going to assume it's something naughty. :O:
http://www.melamed.org/images/hungarian.jpg
"Would you hold it against me if I said you had a lovely body?"

frau kaleun

01-26-11, 04:19 PM

Don't buy too cheap Lebkuchen, its a waste, really. ;)

Unless I go on the internets and look, I am (sadly) limited to what's available in the stores here. I'm fortunate to have a huge international market nearby to find a decent selection of imports.

I'll have to look and see what brand I have.

Growler

01-26-11, 04:36 PM

Unless I go on the internets and look, I am (sadly) limited to what's available in the stores here. I'm fortunate to have a huge international market nearby to find a decent selection of imports.

I'll have to look and see what brand I have.

This is the biggest disappointment of foodies living in the States. We have some good regional stuff, sure, but to get good, regional stuff from other regions is frightfully difficult/expensive, and/or quality suffers in transit time. Not to say it can't happen, but it can be tough, especially if you live in a largely "homogenized" area where cultures have mixed so thoroughly that there's little "Old World" choice left.

Would these be the ones to which you referred, Sky?http://www.germangrocery.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/wicklen461.jpg

frau kaleun

01-26-11, 05:10 PM

I'll have to look and see what brand I have.

What I have right now is this brand:

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/gdcom_2139_107407206

although mine are in a blue box and I don't have the 3 varieties because I prefer the sugar glazed ones so I buy the boxes with only that kind. They're the Feine Nürnberger Lebkuchen which is probably the best we'll ever get around here, unless someone makes them from scratch or I can find a small German bakery. No doubt they exist since we have a large German heritage population. Anyway, I have no complaints about these, they are yummy to my tummy. :D

This is the place that's right down the street from me, it's heaven for foodies. People drive for 2-3 hours one way to shop there.

http://www.junglejims.com/index.asp

The guy who owns it started out as a college student selling produce from a truck by the side of the road. Now he has his own road.

Penguin

01-26-11, 06:26 PM

Sie müssen nur den Nippel durch die Lasche zieh'n
Und mit der kleinen Kurbel ganz nach oben dreh'n
Da erscheint sofort ein Pfeil
Und da drücken Sie dann drauf
Und schon geht die Torpedoluke auf!
(Mike Krüger)

hehe, thanks for bringing me back to memory lane. This was my favourite song as a child. Mike played the song live on TV on my 8th birthday - a great gift! :DL

Skybird

01-26-11, 06:39 PM

This is the biggest disappointment of foodies living in the States. We have some good regional stuff, sure, but to get good, regional stuff from other regions is frightfully difficult/expensive, and/or quality suffers in transit time. Not to say it can't happen, but it can be tough, especially if you live in a largely "homogenized" area where cultures have mixed so thoroughly that there's little "Old World" choice left.

Would these be the ones to which you referred, Sky?http://www.germangrocery.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/wicklen461.jpg

For example, yes. I saw them in the shop this year and seem to recall that these also are bigger than the usual normal size.

But Wicklein is one of the better Lebkuchen manufacturers, and it is the Elisen Lebkuchen, so I say: try it! It'S probably the ones that I had this year in hugh numbers :), just smaller pieces.

A general site about it:
http://www.lebkuchen.nuernberg.de/englische_version/index.html

Growler

01-26-11, 08:22 PM

For example, yes. I saw them in the shop this year and seem to recall that these also are bigger than the usual normal size.

But Wicklein is one of the better Lebkuchen manufacturers, and it is the Elisen Lebkuchen, so I say: try it! It'S probably the ones that I had this year in hugh numbers :), just smaller pieces.

A general site about it:
http://www.lebkuchen.nuernberg.de/englische_version/index.html

I'm thinking I'm going to surprise my wife and her daughter with some; you think they'll survive the trip from Nurnburg to the East Coast US in some good order?

frau kaleun

01-26-11, 10:46 PM

For example, yes. I saw them in the shop this year and seem to recall that these also are bigger than the usual normal size.

But Wicklein is one of the better Lebkuchen manufacturers, and it is the Elisen Lebkuchen, so I say: try it! It'S probably the ones that I had this year in hugh numbers :), just smaller pieces.

A general site about it:
http://www.lebkuchen.nuernberg.de/englische_version/index.html

I am making a mental note to look for those next time. I don't remember seeing anything other than what I usually buy, but then I wouldn't have known to look for anything different. They look awesome, are those whole almonds around the center? :rock:

krashkart

01-26-11, 10:55 PM

Those do look really good. If I can find any here in town I might try them. :)

Schroeder

01-27-11, 10:26 AM

Sailor Steve

01-27-11, 10:31 AM

You just did.

Weiss Pinguin

01-27-11, 12:54 PM

LOOKS LIKE IT'S TIME FOR...

http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/attachments/picture-forum/52583d1291323788-nice-boobies-boobies-ifnotfunny.jpg

Hottentot

01-27-11, 01:03 PM

Strange, this thread started with a wrongly spelled German word referring to u-boat equipment, went to Lebkuchen afterwards for no apparent reason ,has now four pages and no one has mentioned Obama yet?:doh:

:rotfl2:

That was exactly my thoughts when I had finished reading the first page and saw there were already four of them. "What? How the heck did they manage to turn this into an Obama thread?"

Schroeder

01-27-11, 01:44 PM

You just did.
Damn it!! I knew some su**er would do it eventually.:damn:

:D

krashkart

01-27-11, 01:55 PM

Strange, this thread started with a wrongly spelled German word referring to u-boat equipment, went to Lebkuchen afterwards for no apparent reason ,has now four pages and no one has mentioned Obama yet?:doh:

I hear he savors a lebkuchen or two when the First Lady isn't looking. :haha:

nikimcbee

01-27-11, 02:08 PM

Where were you, when a German class began, you chased girls instead :O:

There's nothing wrong with that.

Penguin

01-27-11, 02:29 PM

There's nothing wrong with that.

he could have chased german exchange students

krashkart

01-27-11, 02:40 PM

he could have chased german exchange students

I would have if I hadn't been such a shy kid. :yep:

Our exchange town was Memmingen. :)

nikimcbee

01-27-11, 02:46 PM

Penguin

01-27-11, 02:57 PM

I would have if I hadn't been such a shy kid. :yep:

Our exchange town was Memmingen. :)

I this case I take my statement back. You would have learned no german from them - though some people claim that the weird dialect they speak down there is somehow related to German... :-?

nikimcbee

01-27-11, 03:05 PM

Dan D

01-27-11, 03:09 PM

Ah, "Schubslagengeb Stopfbuchse Lebkuchen"!

Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!...
Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!

Well, according to Ernst Gärth, head of Munich traditional bakery “Rischart”, the secret to making amazing gingerbread is that the dough needs 10 months (!) to ripen.

So February would be the month to start making gingerbread for Christmas.

Reason is that it takes that much time for the wheat to absorb the water from the honey. That way you get tender gingerbread that stays moist for some years.

-for the dough:

Mix and knead
750 grams Honey
250 grams Rye flour
500 grams wheat flour,

keep it hermetically sealed for 10 months in the cellar (or other cool place).

-for the gingerbread spice mix:
1 ts. ground cloves
½ ts. mace
1 pinch coriander, fennel and pimento each

and
2 Tbls. baking powder, 1 egg white, salt.

After 10 months put the dough to a warm place for a couple of hours, mix the spices and baking powder into the dough and knead again, roll out dough to 5 mm thick, cut out u-boat shapes, brush pieces with water, bake them for 15-20 minutes by 175 Grad Celsius temperature (no circulating air!),

Brush warm gingerbread with 1 egg white mixed with a pinch of salt and a bit of water.

If you feel tempted to try this out, Dowly?, Steed?, please give a feedback on your experience by the end of the year.
Thank you!

Penguin

01-27-11, 03:13 PM

Just remembered, it was Bochum.

that's about 45 minutes from me, if you pay postage & package, I can send her to you! :DL

krashkart

01-27-11, 03:16 PM

I this case I take my statement back. You would have learned no german from them - though some people claim that the weird dialect they speak down there is somehow related to German... :-?

Come to think of it, I seem to remember our instructor mentioning that the dialect was a little bit different from what we were being taught. :hmmm:

Penguin

01-27-11, 03:24 PM

Ah, "Schubslagengeb Stopfbuchse Lebkuchen"!

:haha: that's the way new recipes are created!

½ ts. mace

:o
this? http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8581/344132macelarge.jpg or this? http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8898/pepperspray.jpg :D

frau kaleun

01-27-11, 03:29 PM

Most likely this:

http://www.theepicentre.com/Spices/mace.html

Penguin

01-27-11, 03:38 PM

Most likely this:

http://www.theepicentre.com/Spices/mace.html

..but that's no fun :cry:
when I hear mace I only have the former images in my head...

and so the circle closes, what the link translated as Muskatlute is in fact Muskatblüte :|\\

krashkart

01-27-11, 08:11 PM

Dallas just PM'd me with a link to pictures of his data plates:

http://web.iwebcenters.com/grenadiermilitaryantiques/item181102.ctlg

Dowly

01-27-11, 08:20 PM

Ah, the spelling's been wrong all the time, the L is a T and the B in the end is H; Schubstangengeh

krashkart

01-27-11, 08:45 PM

"Press in case of emergency" ?

Just tossing a wild guess out there. :DL

Sailor Steve

01-27-11, 08:51 PM

"Press in case of emergency" ?

Just tossing a wild guess out there. :DL
No, that doesn't sound quite right. Maybe "Pull in case of emergency"...

DarkFish

01-28-11, 03:43 AM

Ah, the spelling's been wrong all the time, the L is a T and the B in the end is H; SchubstangengehDriveshaft geh[...] plug? Just a wild guess here...

VipertheSniper

01-28-11, 04:20 AM

geh short for Gehäuse maybe? So driveshaft housing stuffing box

Although I wouldn't translate Schubstange with driveshaft. I'd translate it with thrusting rod (to push the torpedo into the tube). I don't know which boat these were taken from, but I guess that plate could be from the hydraulic loading system that was used in the XXI...

I nearly forgot: it indeed says "press/push in case of emergency"

Schroeder

01-28-11, 09:38 AM

Geschwindigkeit = Speed

Notklappe bei Gefahr drücken = Press emergency hatch in case of danger

Druckausgleich = Pressure equalization

Führungsrohr lagerbock = guide tube bearing block

Mündungsklappe Lagerbock oben = Upper torpedo door bearing block

Mündungsklappe Lagerbock unten = Lower torpedo door bearing block
(upper and lower are referring to the bearing block, not to the torpedo door)

Schubstangengeh(äuse) = Push rod housing slipway

Schubstangengeh(äuse) Stopfbuchse = Push rod housing gland nut
(as said before "geh" is likely the abbreviation for Gehäuse which means housing)

Be - Entwässerungsventil (Bewässerungsventil and Entwässerungsventil)
= This is the valve that floods / unfloods (is that even a word?) the torpedo tubes

I've used an online dictionary for most of the translations as I have no idea what that stuff is called in English (I didn't even know most of the terms in German) so please excuse if some of those translation do not match the real English designations for those parts or even don't make any sense at all.:|\\

Penguin

01-28-11, 10:47 AM

Schröder, your translation makes sense :up: In modern german an Schubstange would be a "Pleuel".

Now we have to hunt for the location of the plates. As it was taken from a shipyard in Bremerhaven, it was most likely from an unfinished type XXI.

Here is a pic of the front torpedo section:
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7404/xxi20bugraum20torpedoro.jpg

Notice the photo between the right tubes. The crank which the guy uses could be the one which rotates a crankshaft which may be connected to our famous Schubstange. Another crank is found on the very right sode of the pic, at the wall.

I can't spot a plate on it, but this pic is from the Wilhelm Bauer, which was modified when the Bundeswehr used it. Maybe someone can find another pic of a XXI torpedo room, or some pics of the side/top - the plates could also be located there.

Dallas

01-28-11, 11:37 AM

The hunt is narrowed down to two boats. There were actually two boats in Bremerhaven at the time. One was U-1197 a type VIIC and the other was U-1232 a IXC/40. Both were damaged and both of which had been captured after being decommissioned before the end of the war.

They were both towed out to sea and scuttled by the US Navy in February 1946.

Growler

01-28-11, 11:49 AM

Stay tuned for the next installment of...

CSI: Subsim!

This has been an amazing process to observe. You guys are awesome.

Schroeder

01-28-11, 12:23 PM

The hunt is narrowed down to two boats. There were actually two boats in Bremerhaven at the time. One was U-1197 a type VIIC and the other was U-1232 a IXC/40.

So much for the automatic reloading system....:O:

Weiss Pinguin

01-29-11, 07:40 PM

I had a penpal from Haltern and she was a H-O-N-E-Y:yeah::woot::yep:. Sadly, I can't find any pictures she sent me. I would love to find her again though. We had exchange student from Germany, but I don't remember where they were from.
I knew an exchange student a couple of years ago, from somewhere north of Berlin I think. Or maybe west. Anyway, it was a sad day when she left :nope:

VipertheSniper

01-30-11, 08:15 AM

So much for the automatic reloading system....:O:

Hmm I think it could also have been taken from a not yet commissioned boat, so maybe the XXI isn't out of question.

Anyway, I can't believe nobody on here hasn't got pictures of the U-505 or U-995... maybe we can spot the plates on them.

Schroeder

01-30-11, 08:43 AM

Haven't been to 995 in about two decades....:cry:

frau kaleun

01-30-11, 10:03 AM

Hmm I think it could also have been taken from a not yet commissioned boat, so maybe the XXI isn't out of question.

Anyway, I can't believe nobody on here hasn't got pictures of the U-505 or U-995... maybe we can spot the plates on them.

I think these are all of U-995:

http://public.fotki.com/khaehl/miscellaneous/u-boats/

Another member visited here and posted here about it, I remembered going to look at the pics. There are some nice inside shots.

Don't know about U-505, the last discussion I remember I think they said you weren't allowed to take pics inside the boat. Maybe the museum website has something?

nikimcbee

01-30-11, 11:40 AM

I think these are all of U-995:

http://public.fotki.com/khaehl/miscellaneous/u-boats/

Another member visited here and posted here about it, I remembered going to look at the pics. There are some nice inside shots.

Don't know about U-505, the last discussion I remember I think they said you weren't allowed to take pics inside the boat. Maybe the museum website has something?

I believe that is the U-505. I need to scan and post my photos from there, back from the days when you could take pictures there.

But if you donate to obama's election fund, they'd probably look the other way.:88):shifty:

Dowly

01-30-11, 11:55 AM

Penguin

01-30-11, 12:27 PM

Think we are looking for similar dials like the 4 black ones in the photo:
http://images12.fotki.com/v197/photos/5/1596225/8725001/IMGP7320-vi.jpg

There seems to be sort of an place for the inner wheel and the outer wheel seen in Dallas' photos. :hmmm:

I am not sure if we are dalking about dials. :hmmm: On the black ones you have the axis of the dial in the middle. The "press in case of emergency" inner plate indicates that something like a buttom or a switch should be in the middle. So I think the plate would rather fit to devices like the two red ones or the big on the top. In this case the outer plate would be a description od the devices next to it rather than a switch indicator. Too bad that I can't decifer any of the labels on the photo.