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Skybird
01-20-11, 11:50 AM
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14776027,00.html

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110120-32543.html

Not nice, and some questions there.

The above English articles lack the details given in German press. A cadet fell to death when climbing up the mast. Unrest amongst the crew break out, many did noit want to climb anymore. It is said that climbing is voluntary (I ask: why? It is a sailship, isn't it, why do you go on a sailship if you do not will to set sails?), but officer put high pressure on young cadets, intimndiating them with threatend decommission. The captain of the GF asked two of the older crew cadets to mediate between the ships leadership and tghe crew. When they reported back to him, saying there was unrest and discomfort with the overtall regime, they were accused of mutiny and ordered to fly back to Germany, leaving the navy. At that time, the ships was already back to see. Then came the order from Germany to investigatze further, and to take an investigation team aboard, for that, the GF returned to Argentina. The two sailors plus twpo others were ordered to destroy/burn their written order to report back to Germany, the minsitry obviously did not wish to leave evidence that these orders ever had been given. At least one of them did not, presenting the letter to the liaison officer to the Bundestag. The whole affair is unclear, lots of smoke screens seem to be raised.

As regrettable as the death by accident of a cadet is, this could be no excuse to discontinue a training tour of the ship, instead young people wanting to become warriors and commanding officers in armed forces should take the opportunity to learn how to come to terms with it. Additionally, I wonder why young sailors who may volunteer for setting sails, but must not do it (at least by the rules), are even allowed on a sailship. They should be given the chance in the beginning to check if they can handle it and have the courage to go up there, and if they don't, okay, no hard feelings, but sorry, here is your coat and hat - bye. I do not know if for navy cadets wanting to become navy officers in the Bundesmarine, service on the GF is mandatory. I think it should not be, but should be a thing of interest only, voluntarily - our frigates do not use sails anymore, nor do our subs.

TLAM Strike
01-20-11, 12:20 PM
I do not know if for navy cadets wanting to become navy officers in the Bundesmarine, service on the GF is mandatory. I think it should not be, but should be a thing of interest only, voluntarily - our frigates do not use sails anymore, nor do our subs.

Well service on such craft is more for learning team work and a group ethic rather than technical skills.

Skybird
01-20-11, 01:23 PM
Well service on such craft is more for learning team work and a group ethic rather than technical skills.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article12264743/Gorch-****-Diebstahl-Demuetigung-Tod.html

This ex-cadet rejects your assumption. He confirms what has been leaked in recent days, too: that the conditions aboard are not acceptable and appear to foster a striong discriminationr egime between officers and the core crew on the one side, and the cadets on the other side, who are expected to live in a regime of submission, mobbing and intimidation.

I also take from his words that the service aboard the F0ck ist mandatory if you want to become a Bundesmarine officer.

He says that the conditions aboard are right the opposite of what you pointed at, and that "forming a crew" is not what happens aboard, but that they foster deep divide and separation.

He also said that cadets gets their pockets picked by the core crew, and that stupid traditonal regime casues risks and dangerous situations aboard that are of no training effect and useless aboard modern ships, even more: in the way they get run aboard the F0ck they never would be run aboard the regular navy units, for security concerns.

Finally he points out that in the past few years 8 sailors got killed aboard the GF, whereas amongst all other navy units of the German Bundesmarine, even those serving in conflict zones, nobody got killed.

Sounds nasty.

Schroeder
01-20-11, 01:41 PM
I think we have to do some house cleaning in our armed forces. Things like that have now been uncovered on more than one occasion and not just in the Marine. It seems power leads more often to abuse than one would like...:nope: