Russian Bear T-95 Bombers provoke Dutch and UK Airspace

[Matador.es]

Last night, two Bear T-95 Bombers entered Dutch Airspace withouth clear intentions. They were escorted by F-16's untill they reached the UK.

http://www.nu.nl/binnenland/2427006/russische-vliegtuigen-onderschept-f-16s.html

Google translate MinDefReport: http://translate.google.nl/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2011/01/20/46177996/F_16_s_Vliegbasis_Leeuwarden_onderscheppen_Russisc he_toestellen

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Tupolev_Tu-95

It has become a recent habit of the Russians to test the combat readiness within the EU. They fly around Norway and then head south over the North Sea.

When i just googled for an English news article on it i just saw they also visited Canada lately. The other news reports for Europe date back to 2007.

Does anybody have any comments of what they actually try to achieve? Or is itr just a bully?

I say, lets test the Patriots on some else then Scud heading to Israel :) (1990-1992)

[Herr-Berbunch]

Bears have regularly headed toward UK airspace for decades (but always in the press), the regularity did dip somewhat in the 90's but has been picking up again since Putin arrived in power in '99. I do find it strange about heading for NL though, not a massive airspace to play with!

And it's just testing responses, seeing how far they can go before having a jet pull up alongside for a photo or two. Also they in turn photo the jets that appear. It is just a big game really, and all is well as long as it remains just a game.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafiles/8C713FD4_1143_EC82_2E697DDB509327B4.jpg

[Feuer Frei!]

Nothing to see here.
This game has been goin on for a long time. They do it to us, we do it to them.
Flying (in) to the outskirts of another Nation's air space is nothing new.

[Skybird]

It's posturing (and a bit of gaining routine and experience for the flight crews). If I recall correctly, these flights had been stopped for some years, but then continued since three years ago or so. They want to appear as stronger than they are by having picked up this routine again.

I cannot imagine a serious reward from this. NATO hardly will show them how early they are being detected, and if the Russians have any real trump cards, they hardly will reveal them this way. They hardly will show how low they can fly and hgow deep they can penetrate before being detected.

It's all bluffing. Any intel gathered by this, would be just an accident, or by random chance.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Are you people serious? The Russians aren't posturing or gathering intelligence, and that Bear certainly wasn't at the mercy of those fighters.

The only reason there are bear bombers over Europe is because, as everyone knows, in Soviet Russia bombers intercept you.

[Oberon]

Herr-B is spot on, it's an old game, and it's good for the defending country to test out its rapid response force. Our Tornados and Eurofighters at Leuchars and Coningsby have been busy in the past few years. In turn the P3s and other aircraft that snoop around the Russian borders often attract a MiG or two. I saw a photo once of a MiG-29 (I think it was a 29)'s tail clipping the prop of a P3 and getting it shredded. Sadly, I've been unable to locate it again, having lost it years ago.

It's all generally pretty friendly stuff though, I've read that on the interceptors over Alaska and Guam the Russians will often show the US what they're reading (one was reading the Washington Times :haha:) or hold up cans of Coke.

I wonder if the old AGIs still operate though, the old Russian 'Fishing trawler's that used to follow CVBGs everywhere they went. :hmmm: I'd be very surprised if they didn't. :yep:


EDIT:

The only reason there are bear bombers over Europe is because, as everyone knows, in Soviet Russia bombers intercept you.

:har::har::har::yeah:

[Matador.es]

I wonder if the old AGIs still operate though, the old Russian 'Fishing trawler's that used to follow CVBGs everywhere they went. :hmmm: I'd be very surprised if they didn't. :yep:

I am not sure what you mean precise, but one thing is still a fact, half of the Russian cargo (commercial) ships that sail around the world have an incredible amount of antenna's and com stuff. More then any other normal ship.

[TLAM Strike]

The only reason there are bear bombers over Europe is because, as everyone knows, in Soviet Russia bombers intercept you. Well Duh, why do you think the Bear has guns on it! :O:

Herr-B is spot on, it's an old game, and it's good for the defending country to test out its rapid response force. Our Tornados and Eurofighters at Leuchars and Coningsby have been busy in the past few years. In turn the P3s and other aircraft that snoop around the Russian borders often attract a MiG or two. I saw a photo once of a MiG-29 (I think it was a 29)'s tail clipping the prop of a P3 and getting it shredded. Sadly, I've been unable to locate it again, having lost it years ago. http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_287.shtml

I wonder if the old AGIs still operate though, the old Russian 'Fishing trawler's that used to follow CVBGs everywhere they went. :hmmm: I'd be very surprised if they didn't. :yep: I don't doubt it, I know the Chinese and North Koreans do.

[Herr-Berbunch]

I wonder if the old AGIs still operate though, the old Russian 'Fishing trawler's that used to follow CVBGs everywhere they went.

I think that role has been outsourced to Chinese subs now :har:

Edit: Sorry, I did type this ages ago but have been busy at work and have only just pressed the button! I'm honestly not just copying TLAM.

[TLAM Strike]

Speaking of Russian Trawlers, you guys ever seen one below the waterline?

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9605/317041.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7121/317039.jpghttp://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7121/317039.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9953/317040.jpg

[CCIP]

:o

Sure shows what fish they're after, huh!

As far as NL and British airspace, sounds like they're scouting the channel/approaches to it and probing for defenses in that area. Definitely a strategic shipping point.

[Growler]

Huh. I imagine popping a Mk46 into one of those would make a somewhat satisfactory boom. A relatively unarmored ship, carrying torpedoes... oh, wait, silly me. Those aren't torpedo tubes, those are fish catchers.

[Oberon]

Well Duh, why do you think the Bear has guns on it! :O:

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_287.shtml

I don't doubt it, I know the Chinese and North Koreans do.

That's most likely the incident but there was a different photo, full colour and quite clear, taken at the exact moment of the incident from a nearby aircraft.

I'm pretty sure it was a P-3 and an Su-27 or MiG-29. It had the title on it "A close intercept". :hmmm:

[TLAM Strike]

That's most likely the incident but there was a different photo, full colour and quite clear, taken at the exact moment of the incident from a nearby aircraft.

I'm pretty sure it was a P-3 and an Su-27 or MiG-29. It had the title on it "A close intercept". :hmmm:
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8436/2518936147d3cxo8.jpg
This it? Looks like a drawing to me... :hmmm:

[Oberon]

That's the bastard...now that you mention it, it does look like a drawing doesn't it? Still, my memory was filling in the details.

Thanks for finding it, it would have driven me mad otherwise.

Here's a pic I don't know if you've seen before of a different kind of interception along the German/Czech border back in the day:

http://www.vrtulnik.cz/mil/helo1021.jpg

[TLAM Strike]

Nope never seen that but I'm not surprised, since there was Heli on Heli combat in the Iran Iraq War. Choppers are also used for intercepts over DC if a light aircraft is involved (like a Cessna)


Some more interesting pics:
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7756/a6fv9.jpg
"Ok so what do we do now Cool Hand?"
"Not quite sure Virgil..."

Well at least the Corsair II could carry 'winders... but doesn't look like they have any on board... maybe they got their gun loaded?
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9104/a7ilfa9.jpg

[Oberon]

Could try throwing rocks at them I suppose. ;)

I've heard reports of the odd firefight over the Iron Curtain and the casualties being put back as 'accidental discharge fatality' or RTA victims.
Makes you wonder what is still buried (figuratively) out there.

Excellent pics, by the way. :yep::yeah:

[TLAM Strike]

:haha: No worries the Intruder called for backup...

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4180/attachmentrb.jpg

Ever get the feeling you are outmatched?
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7962/int1gn5.jpg

I wonder if that counts as intercepting an entire air wing?
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9207/midway1156bno5.jpg

No you fool he is going to use his SAM!
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5612/usns3aovervictorssnin19.jpg
Noob...

I appears they found the Red October
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7900/vntu16zik5.jpg
Wonder if this is Photoshop...


So want this mission in DW!
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9466/attachmentj.jpg

[CCIP]

:haha:

Great pics there TLAM, thanks for sharing!

[TLAM Strike]

Due to budget cuts this is all he RAF has to perform intercepts with...
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/7572/helloboris.jpg
Reminds me of the Nimrod/707 intercepts during the Falklands war.

[Oberon]

:haha:

Come to think of it, that picture shows another strategic reason the Russians are always interested in the North Sea. Oil and gas rigs. Lots of those in the North Sea, knock them out and our oil production goes down the tubes in a large way.

[Matador.es]

Speaking of Russian Trawlers, you guys ever seen one below the waterline?

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9605/317041.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7121/317039.jpghttp://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7121/317039.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9953/317040.jpg

This kind of stuck with me, i found it was an experimental craft and these photos where taken in 2006, so not that old!


OS stand for Opitnoye Sudno (Experimental Vessel)

[TLAM Strike]

This kind of stuck with me, i found it was an experimental craft and these photos where taken in 2006, so not that old!


OS stand for Opitnoye Sudno (Experimental Vessel) Hmmmm any idea what she was an experiment for? New type of weapon?

[Growler]

Bow thrusters?

"I'm gonna hit the brakes; he'll fly right by..."

[Matador.es]

I must say i am not copletely sure if the intel is relaiably, especialy since there is a contradiction.

http://www.hazegray.org/faq/smn2.htm#B4
Above you will find a abreviation list what claims this is a Experimental ship.

I also found info that it was part of project 1823 and 1824
http://tripatlas.com/List%20of%20ships%20of%20Russia%20by%20project%20n umber
Above you will find a list of all Russian Projects. This list links it with the "Muna Class". If you check on Muna Class you will find:
http://warfare.ru/image.aspx?img=0702ey70/update/january2009/2/muna.jpg

which, if you ask me has quite some resamblance.

Issue is: This Project 1824 Muna Class has differant call signs. So, i expect that it ones used to be a Muna Class, but has been rebuild later for experiments. Question remains if the torpedo tupes where standard on the BTP (ammo ship call sign) or were fitted in later.

List of the BTP's's
http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=2128&catid=298

[Jimbuna]

We never seem to hear of close sub on sub encounters and lost towed arrays these days :hmmm:

[TLAM Strike]

I must say i am not copletely sure if the intel is relaiably, especialy since there is a contradiction.

http://www.hazegray.org/faq/smn2.htm#B4
Above you will find a abreviation list what claims this is a Experimental ship.

I also found info that it was part of project 1823 and 1824
http://tripatlas.com/List%20of%20ships%20of%20Russia%20by%20project%20n umber
Above you will find a list of all Russian Projects. This list links it with the "Muna Class". If you check on Muna Class you will find:
http://warfare.ru/image.aspx?img=0702ey70/update/january2009/2/muna.jpg

which, if you ask me has quite some resamblance.

Issue is: This Project 1824 Muna Class has differant call signs. So, i expect that it ones used to be a Muna Class, but has been rebuild later for experiments. Question remains if the torpedo tupes where standard on the BTP (ammo ship call sign) or were fitted in later.

List of the BTP's's
http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=2128&catid=298

Ships like those were re-purposed for many different roles, AGIs, actual fishing trawlers, supply ships etc. I'll check in my books after I get home from school and see if its a Muna or something similar.

[Matador.es]

Ships like those were re-purposed for many different roles, AGIs, actual fishing trawlers, supply ships etc. I'll check in my books after I get home from school and see if its a Muna or something similar.

I just checked Russia's Arms 2001-2002 (644 pages) but it was not in there. Tbh i am quite interested in the books (PDF Files) you have. You seem to be quite well informed i notice :up:

[goldorak]

So want this mission in DW!
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9466/attachmentj.jpg

Install DWX and you're good to go. :shucks:

[Castout]

Bears have regularly headed toward UK airspace for decades (but always in the press), the regularity did dip somewhat in the 90's but has been picking up again since Putin arrived in power in '99. I do find it strange about heading for NL though, not a massive airspace to play with!

And it's just testing responses, seeing how far they can go before having a jet pull up alongside for a photo or two. Also they in turn photo the jets that appear. It is just a big game really, and all is well as long as it remains just a game.



it's more than just a game if a nation violates another nation airspace with no less than one or two long range strategic bombers.

It's one thing to trespass another nation airspace with a fighter such as the MiG-29 r Su-27 but it's a completely whole new level of game when one tries to do the same with a long range strategic bomber.

It's what I would call efforts to make threats. Try to imagine one or two flying over New York airspace :-)

As to why the reason must definitely be political or even perhaps only related to Russia's domestic policy. Perhaps some people are trying to gain legitimacy or support by this show of belligerent acts. Perhaps to appease some hardliners still in the Russia armed forces or just to raise moral. Whatever it was it was a political message which only the recipient could fully understand.

[TLAM Strike]

it's more than just a game if a nation violates another nation airspace with no less than one or two long range strategic bombers.

It's one thing to trespass another nation airspace with a fighter such as the MiG-29 r Su-27 but it's a completely whole new level of game when one tries to do the same with a long range strategic bomber.

Not really, MiG-29s and Su-27s can carry nuclear payloads just as easy as a Bear.

Plus there is a huge difference between a Bear-A/B/G/H and Bear-D/E/F. Just because its based on a strategic bomber does not make it one.

[Krauter]

Was just going to point that out... Aren't their only strategic bombers these days the Tu-22/24 Blinder/Backfire and the Tu-160 (can't remember NATO name for it, but it's similar to the B-1).?

Also, I thought the only remaining Bears the Russians have are Maritime Reconnaissance and ELINT Birds?

[ETR3(SS)]

Was just going to point that out... Aren't their only strategic bombers these days the Tu-22/24 Blinder/Backfire and the Tu-160 (can't remember NATO name for it, but it's similar to the B-1).? Blackjack.;)

[Krauter]

That would be it :) Thanks ETR.

What other uses for the Tu-95 do the Russian (& Soviets) use it for? Aside from Maritime Recon & spotting, Strategic Bomber (ret.), ELINT, AWACS and Tanker?

[TLAM Strike]

Was just going to point that out... Aren't their only strategic bombers these days the Tu-22/24 Blinder/Backfire and the Tu-160 (can't remember NATO name for it, but it's similar to the B-1).? Tu-160 'BLACKJACK'


Also, I thought the only remaining Bears the Russians have are Maritime Reconnaissance and ELINT Birds?
No there is the Tu-95MS a Kh-55 missile carrier.

The Bear F and J will soon be retired leaving just the missile carriers.

[TLAM Strike]

That would be it :) Thanks ETR.

What other uses for the Tu-95 do the Russian (& Soviets) use it for? Aside from Maritime Recon & spotting, Strategic Bomber (ret.), ELINT and Tanker?

(not all these are in service)
Bear-A Bomber
Bear-B Bomber with IFR probe
Bear-C Upgraded to Bear-G
Bear-D ELINT/Maritime Recce
Bear-E Photo Recon
Bear-F ASW/MPA
Bear-G Cruise Missiles
Bear-H Cruise missiles
Bear-T Trainer

There was never a tanker but there was an AWACS Tu-126 'MOSS'

[Krauter]

Cheers,

Just did a quick search on Wikipedia and saw a few of those.

When I mentioned Tanker, I mean In-flight-refueling (same thing to me :O: )

[TLAM Strike]

When I mentioned Tanker, I mean In-flight-refueling (same thing to me :O: ) There were no Bears that could act as a tanker but there were Bears that could tank up with one.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/514/24545zr4.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/i/24545zr4.jpg/)

[Castout]

Not really, MiG-29s and Su-27s can carry nuclear payloads just as easy as a Bear.

Plus there is a huge difference between a Bear-A/B/G/H and Bear-D/E/F. Just because its based on a strategic bomber does not make it one.

Sure Su-27 or MiG-29 could carry bombs or even nuclear bombs but as this is a political maneuver the effect would not be as much as when you send a Tu-95 Bear. If it was a military move no ordnance was released and no target was hit. Tu-95 Bear would not violate another nation airspace other than from direct orders from superior to do just that.

And you're right that there are significant configuration and role differences between all the variants of bear but how does one suppose to know which is which from the radar blip or from 5 km away? The threat might not be real but the distress it might have caused for a few minutes sure is. :)

Reading this thread made me want to fire up DW with DWX and fly that Bear :O:

[Krauter]

Very true Castout.

I was refering to this picture TLAM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tupolev_Tu-95_at_Victory_Day_Parade_2008.jpg

Edit: I stand corrected, it would seem the Tu-95 in that photo is being refuelled, not refuelling the other aircraft.

[TLAM Strike]

And you're right that there are significant configuration and role differences between all the variants of bear but how does one suppose to know which is which from the radar blip or from 5 km away?
Oooohh there are ways. ;)

The IRST and TV systems on jets like the old Tomcat come to mind, they had ranges of over 5 km easy. Also they are doing wonderful things with ISAR systems now. They can tell the differences in the air frame. If the Bear lights up its radar they will know for sure.

But I'm leaning to the camp that these were Bear-Hs like they sent near Alaska not to long ago unless someone shows a picture of these that proves otherwise.

Anyways I'm not too worried about it. You can see a Bear coming from a long distance away so our pilots can intercept any missile attack from it, unless its got a substantial escort (that would send up a red flag on my Radar so to speak).

[TLAM Strike]

Very true Castout.

I was refering to this picture TLAM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tupolev_Tu-95_at_Victory_Day_Parade_2008.jpg

Edit: I stand corrected, it would seem the Tu-95 in that photo is being refuelled, not refuelling the other aircraft. Normally the aircraft in the back is the one getting fuel... although sometimes its hard to tell...

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/3199/tu16.jpg

[krashkart]

Normally the aircraft in the back is the one getting fuel... although sometimes its hard to tell...

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/3199/tu16.jpg

When they fly up alongside one another for a photo op... :)


Edit: The Badger furthest from the camera is the one delivering fuel.

[Sailor Steve]

Edit: The Badger furthest from the camera is the one delivering fuel.
That's a bunch of Bull. It's a real Bear when you Badger me that way.

[krashkart]

That's a bunch of Bull. It's a real Bear when you Badger me that way.

Dude, I am so sorry. That Flashlight came out of nowhere... it was a real Blinder. :doh:

[Castout]

Oooohh there are ways. ;)

The IRST and TV systems on jets like the old Tomcat come to mind, they had ranges of over 5 km easy. Also they are doing wonderful things with ISAR systems now. They can tell the differences in the air frame. If the Bear lights up its radar they will know for sure.

But I'm leaning to the camp that these were Bear-Hs like they sent near Alaska not to long ago unless someone shows a picture of these that proves otherwise.

Anyways I'm not too worried about it. You can see a Bear coming from a long distance away so our pilots can intercept any missile attack from it, unless its got a substantial escort (that would send up a red flag on my Radar so to speak).

Umm I think you're missing the point :). To identify something one needs to send assets (intercepting aircrafts) even if the Bear had turned on its radar to gain positive visual id and to escort it out of the violated airspace. The period between detection of the T-95 from the radar blip to confirming which variant it is would still have caused distress :-?.

Netherlands is a small country I could imagine heightened alert to its government officials if they are told that one or two bear is flying over their city at the moment :D. Bear equates with strategic bomber payload if not nuclear ones.


I'd worry too if a foreign heavy bomber happened to fly over my city without authorization or declaration whatsoever even in times of peace.
Heck even if it was just a Malaysian Hornet fighter bomber which flew above the city.:dead:

[Krauter]

How can you tell which aircraft is delivering the fuel? (in a side by side arrangement like that?)

[UnderseaLcpl]

Dude, I am so sorry. That Flashlight came out of nowhere... it was a real Blinder. :doh:

Your intentions seem to have Backfired. That must be a real Helix......oh crap, I messed up. Can I start over?

[Herr-Berbunch]

Your intentions seem to have Backfired. That must be a real Helix......oh crap, I messed up. Can I start over?

Flankers :rotfl2:

@Castout, indeed NL is a relatively small country, however it's airspace does extend out into the North Sea so just because an aeroplane infringed it's airspace doesn't mean it's going to drop a conventional load on Utrecht or Arnhem. An aircraft unidentified by radar could be so much more than some malicious intruder, and like I've said previously - this is a game that has been played out for many decades, I think the pilots just see it as routine training nowadays but with the ability to do something if it changes from routine.

[Sailor Steve]

Flankers :rotfl2:.
Who you callin' a Flanker, you Fagot-Flogger?

[Herr-Berbunch]

Enough of this Hokum!

[TLAM Strike]

Hay we have to keep this forum going one way or another otherwise Moss will begin growing on it...

[krashkart]

I raise this Flagon as a toast to... oh forget it. I am too much of an Atoll to toast to anything right now. :shifty:

[Herr-Berbunch]

Don't be so Candid you old Coot, you ain't so Hip for a Midget Hoodlum, you can't even drink a Flagon of Badger piss or a Firkin of Fiddler juice.

Oops, my Halo has slipped. Time for a glass of, wait for it....


Coca-COALER!
:yeah:

[krashkart]

Don't be so Candid you old Coot, you ain't so Hip for a Midget Hoodlum, you can't even drink a Flagon of Badger piss or a Firkin of Fiddler juice.

Oops, my Halo has slipped. Time for a glass of, wait for it....


Coca-COALER!
:yeah:


HAAAAY-YOOHHH!! :D

*applause*

[Tchocky]

Could have had loads to tell you guys about this had it not been my day off :D

Dammit!

[Oberon]

I come out of the Kitchen for this? I guess I'd better put the Koala back in the Kennel before it Grumbles and becomes a Gremlin.

[UnderseaLcpl]

I don't mean to Harp on you Oberon, but in Hind sight you should have expected as much from this bunch. I fear this is the Apex of our humour. Might as well Kickback and enjoy.

[Growler]

My ADA senses are going into overload.

[TLAM Strike]

I fear this is the Apex of our humour.

Sorry Charlie but as sure as my Papa wrote a 'damn Yankee' on his Tomb Stone we can keep this Havoc going till November when there will be nothing left but Ash.

[Sailor Steve]

You Madcap bunch of Cossacks better Mallow out, or this old Coot will Clobber yer Fantails with a Brawny Bull Moose Bat! The Bosun has spoken!

Now you got my Hormones up! Where's the Maiden?

[krashkart]

I sprained my Frogfoot yesterday. Now I need a Hip replacement.

[Krauter]

When will it end :doh:

[Sailor Steve]

What're you, a Bot? It will end when the Maestro gives the Fiddler the Harp.

So far we've just been Codling you.

[krashkart]

I know a Butcher in Fargo named Frank that cooks the best Backfin and Flipper Fishpot. All we need is a Forger and some Bank, and we'll be Fittered to be tied.

[Castout]

Forger? Or do you mean Frogger?

[UnderseaLcpl]

When will it end :doh:

Right now.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o264/charlie143james/f-35_armament.jpg

F-35 Lightning II. Not workable into a pun, but it's the last word.

[krashkart]

Forger? Or do you mean Frogger?

Forger. :DL

Both meanings:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forger

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-38


I played way more Centipede than Frogger. :hmmm::yep::D


F-35 Lightning II. Not workable into a pun, but it's the last word.

:hmmm:

Game on, Marine. :DL


William Wallace shoots F-35's from his arse. :yeah:


Edit: Okay, I will stop misbehaving now. :shifty:

[Sailor Steve]

F-35 Lightning II. Not workable into a pun, but it's the last word.
It's also not funny. You lose.

[Growler]

Pardon me, I don't mean to be an Intruder, but that poor ol' Tomcat sure stirred him up a Hornet's nest, didne? Liable to get all the Iroquois, Apache, Comanche, Blackhawk, n' Kiowa all worked up, like some sorta Thunderbolt outta the blue. I'd best be a true Patriot n' watch him like a Hawk while he's messin' round that Chaparral, before some Falcon or Eagle stoops down on 'im like he's some sorta Sidewinder or Cobra.

[UnderseaLcpl]

It's also not funny. You lose.

I losed internets? Oh nooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeees!:wah: