How to pull faster dives in stock 1.5

[commandosolo2009]

Hello skippers!!

I know, I know... Many of you are happy enough with time, that they spam the TC and wind up getting damaged by running without intention into planes.

Well, the solution is simple. Dive!! :shifty:

Umm, yeah??:doh: but how to pull an even faster dive, like a 20 second dive?

Well, you are hereby presented with a way to evade contact, reach the realms of safety, and remain undetected as desired.
YOUTUBE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmkEVOmnFgs)

Let me know your thoughts...
Cheers

[Dogfish40]

How did you get that "Aircraft spotted" pop-up that says; ENGAGE TARGET/MAINTAIN CURRENT ORDERS/DIVE TO PERISCOPE DEPTH ???
I've never seen this pop-up before. Is this in the Stock game??
I think you mentioned 1.5 before. I loaded 1.5 but my lap didn't like the x-tra strain.
There was also something about starting a mission in singapore with IJN ships in my home port that I didn't like either. Is this pop-up screen in 1.5?
Just wondering.
Thanks.
D40:salute:
PS: If you wanna dive really fast, just load up that Mush Morton and the Wahoo mod. I think you're down in like 10 seconds or some incredible number. The funny thing is, some of the earlier boats like the Porpoise or Salmons can get you to 40ft in 35 secs. Thats my dive time for crash dives in the Salmon right now.
Good Hunting

[ETR3(SS)]

I couldn't hear what you were saying in the video at all. You either need to turn the music off/down or speak up so you can be heard over the music.

[Armistead]

It appears you're trying to move your watch crew below decks. You don't have to do that, You need all 3 shifts, the watch goes automatically in the sub when dived...unlike the gun crews.

My TC always drops to one when I get a plane radar contact giving me plenty time to dive. Doe's stock not do this?

Another thing to remember is planes will show up on radar at different ranges depending on the size of plane and height it's flying. Larger planes will show up from 18NMs, smaller ones flying low 5-8NMs.

[commandosolo2009]

How did you get that "Aircraft spotted" pop-up that says; ENGAGE TARGET/MAINTAIN CURRENT ORDERS/DIVE TO PERISCOPE DEPTH ???
I've never seen this pop-up before. Is this in the Stock game??
I think you mentioned 1.5 before. I loaded 1.5 but my lap didn't like the x-tra strain.
There was also something about starting a mission in singapore with IJN ships in my home port that I didn't like either. Is this pop-up screen in 1.5?
Just wondering.
Thanks.
D40:salute:
PS: If you wanna dive really fast, just load up that Mush Morton and the Wahoo mod. I think you're down in like 10 seconds or some incredible number. The funny thing is, some of the earlier boats like the Porpoise or Salmons can get you to 40ft in 35 secs. Thats my dive time for crash dives in the Salmon right now.
Good Hunting

Its in stock game 1.5 dude!! Stimme version :D

Anyways you probably spam the TC, I dont. Least I do is climb up to 128 or 512 max if not 256 and ze pop up vill sho uppff..

I couldn't hear what you were saying in the video at all. You either need to turn the music off/down or speak up so you can be heard over the music.

I'm sorry, I admit the voice is interlaced with the music, but youtube would cancel my audio if they detect Where Eagles Dare track playing, so I had to tune it up and mingle so the audio is there. The cracking too I apologize for.

It appears you're trying to move your watch crew below decks. You don't have to do that, You need all 3 shifts, the watch goes automatically in the sub when dived...unlike the gun crews.

My TC always drops to one when I get a plane radar contact giving me plenty time to dive. Doe's stock not do this?

Another thing to remember is planes will show up on radar at different ranges depending on the size of plane and height it's flying. Larger planes will show up from 18NMs, smaller ones flying low 5-8NMs.


Luckily, I have a watchman ability, which makes me a shark in a pool of seals (:shifty:) but trust me, it goes down quicker this way.. I know its not the same as DG/AA, but logic demands if you move all crew down, the hatch closes faster, and you dive quicker. Its my gut feeling, but maybe because the sub is at decks awash? I dont know :damn:

[Sailor Steve]

Umm, yeah??:doh: but how to pull an even faster dive, like a 20 second dive?
The real captains would have liked an answer to that same question. Fifty seconds in a crash dive was not out of the ordinary.

In a German Type VII you're still looking at 35 seconds on a good day.

[Takao]

What a silly goose I am. Once an aircraft is reported, I just hit "c" for Crash Dive. Of course, I always "ride the vents" aka "deck's awash". IIRC, you have to set depth to 8 meters for "decks awash" or (I forget what the limit is in feet). It is a limitation of the vanilla game, the boat won't begin to submerge at less than 8 meters.


In the video you mention "Standard" speed and "decks awash", except your gauges show you are traveling at flank speed and are fully surfaced. You never went to "decks awash"? IIRC, I could dive a Gato/Balao in about 35 seconds with a standard crew, decks awash, at 11-13 knots.

Also, You list "hard to port or starboard" in the video, but never do this...Which is good, because you should not turn but dive straight down. Turning bleeds speed and should not be done.

See http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/ss-doc-2.htm


The video needs a good bit of cleaning up.

[Armistead]

Not sure I got the video. For one moving your men on watch like you're putting them below decks faster yourself doesn't work in game. You're actually overworking two crews. You need 3 watch crews to keep fatigue factors balanced. The crew will all automatically go below once engines go off line and the sub is headed underwater, about 28ft.

I don't use the tactic for planes, with stock you would be going through this process every time you surfaced, so I would just stay dived. If I got a plane contact, I would just engage crash dive and not wait for visuals to go to flank and hit crash dive. You're dive process is actually longer than 20 seconds, because your going decks awash first before you dive and it appears your count starts from decks awash to going under. Why not just crash dive at first contact, you should be under before the plane even gets a visual. If you let a plane get a visual, more planes will come in.

Running decks awash is a valid tactic I use at night doing surface attacks.

[Rockin Robbins]

Decks awash is about 30 feet in stock. Try a couple of feet up or down from there. You're looking for the deepest you can run but still be on diesels. I'm a strong believer in having 100% charged batteries at all times. Your top speed at decks awash is 10 knots. You can submerge almost instantly. All the crew hocus pocus is completely unnecessary and has no effect on submarine submergence behavior.

I love to shoot from decks awash. It makes you less visible, makes you a smaller target, reduces dive time to almost nothing and gives you all visual, periscope and radar abilities. All you give up is 10 knots of speed. You're close to the enemy so you don't need that.:D

[Dogfish40]

It appears you're trying to move your watch crew below decks. You don't have to do that, You need all 3 shifts, the watch goes automatically in the sub when dived...unlike the gun crews.

My TC always drops to one when I get a plane radar contact giving me plenty time to dive. Doe's stock not do this?

Another thing to remember is planes will show up on radar at different ranges depending on the size of plane and height it's flying. Larger planes will show up from 18NMs, smaller ones flying low 5-8NMs.

That's why I went into the main.cfg folder and adjusted it. The plane contacts only brought the TC to 8 or 4 I can't remember. That's because surface radar shows the craft as an unknown ship moving very fast, so the TC only comes down to 8. If your crew spots the plane first (under TC) THEN the TC will drop to 1 and your probably in for it by that time anyway.
D40:salute:

[Armistead]

You playing stock. Mine drops to 8 for ship contacts, 1 for planes in TMO. Still, even at 8, a crash dive will get you under in plenty of time, unless you're in a S boat...in TMO takes about a minute to get that sucker under, not sure about stock. Normally when I get a plane contact, I don't even use crash dive, just set my depth. If my APR1 picks up radar from the plane, I'll crash dive. Obvious planes in TMO are dangerous as they see you much deeper. Not sure if stock has the planes that carry the deeper bombs, most show up in RSRD later war, but they can get you 100-150ft...something just to watch out for, although I doubt stock has them.

[Mhtsos]

Decks awash is about 30 feet in stock. Try a couple of feet up or down from there. You're looking for the deepest you can run but still be on diesels. I'm a strong believer in having 100% charged batteries at all times. Your top speed at decks awash is 10 knots. You can submerge almost instantly. All the crew hocus pocus is completely unnecessary and has no effect on submarine submergence behavior.

I love to shoot from decks awash. It makes you less visible, makes you a smaller target, reduces dive time to almost nothing and gives you all visual, periscope and radar abilities. All you give up is 10 knots of speed. You're close to the enemy so you don't need that.:D

But I believe that tactic is very demanding in fuel.At least that was true in SH3/GWX.
Also you can't use your deck guns(bad news for my Narwhal).

The TMO\RSRDC(maybe vanilla SH4? ) has a special skill that enables the boat to dive faster(its a green propeller in a persons card).Hit the c and the boat goes unter in less than 40s.

Personaly I never had a problem,the radar does a great job to prevent any nasty suprises.

[commandosolo2009]

Thanks to all who participated. A new video is on the way. Keep them coming fellas. BTW, @ stock, DA is clocked from 6 ~7 meters all the way to 9 meters (actual). In either case, I keep my depth 7 meters since it keeps speed up to 10 knots.

[Armistead]

But I believe that tactic is very demanding in fuel.At least that was true in SH3/GWX.
Also you can't use your deck guns(bad news for my Narwhal).

The TMO\RSRDC(maybe vanilla SH4? ) has a special skill that enables the boat to dive faster(its a green propeller in a persons card).Hit the c and the boat goes unter in less than 40s.

Personaly I never had a problem,the radar does a great job to prevent any nasty suprises.


I'm sure RR meant he uses this tactic against ships, not planes.

[Rockin Robbins]

I'm sure RR meant he uses this tactic against ships, not planes.
Yes, I never shoot at planes. I never even see them. People complain about Zeros too far from their bases and I've never seen one. They could be paper airplanes for all I know.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/thinking-016.gif

I will use decks awash if I'm in a fly path in an S-Boat though. It's the only way to get down quick enough. Considering the fuel cost, I don't stay in the fly zone very long in that case.

[Mhtsos]

I'm sure RR meant he uses this tactic against ships, not planes.

Yes, I never shoot at planes. I never even see them. People complain about Zeros too far from their bases and I've never seen one. They could be paper airplanes for all I know.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/thinking-016.gif

I will use decks awash if I'm in a fly path in an S-Boat though. It's the only way to get down quick enough. Considering the fuel cost, I don't stay in the fly zone very long in that case.

I misunderstood.I thought you did this all the way from Pearl to Japan:rotfl2:

Zeros far from land bases are either from carriers(or at least they said so in this forum,I never seen this happen) or from vanilla SH4 where aircraft could be found everywhere.

[Rockin Robbins]

I understand that in all mod configurations there are inappropriate planes everywhere doing and dropping inappropriate things. But I've never seen it!
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/where-am-i.gif

[commandosolo2009]

I understand that in all mod configurations there are inappropriate planes everywhere doing and dropping inappropriate things. But I've never seen it!
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/where-am-i.gif


All you gotta do, is to edit the airstrike.cfg and japairpatrol files in CFG and Main. There is a mod out there that reduces the aircrafts presence all around significantly, while increasing their precision if they find you (thereby stressing you to be extra careful). Heer ist its link:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=152885&highlight=webster

another one

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109586

both address the issue. Stay low, stay hidden, stay safe...

[I'm goin' down]

schooling RR are you? :rotfl2: (He hasn't been the same since he sunk an Essex.):D

[Armistead]

RR probably ain't visually seen a plane in a year..........

[Rockin Robbins]

Yeah, they could double the number of airplanes and it just wouldn't matter. They aren't a factor in the game. They aren't even dangerous unless you don't have radar, and even then on an S-Boat cruise I ran the yo-yo strategy with success, just used lower time compression. Oh, and I did crash dive the S-Boat.

What I do is zip around at 1024x or 2048x on the surface. When it comes crashing down to 1x I look for a plane. At that point I draw my infamous ice cream cone graph, a circle of diameter 5 miles radius around my sub (the danger zone from which he can sight me) and two line segments from the plane's position to the outside of my danger circle on both sides. Looks like........an ice cream cone!

Got that set up? Then go to 8x or 16x. No sense getting bored here.

Now, let's say we're working with retarded radar and only spot him 10 miles away. If he crosses the line on the side of the ice cream cone that means he's going to enter the circle of danger. Now we have plenty of time to do what we have to do. All we have to do is submerge so that we are at or below periscope depth as he crosses the danger radius. You can leave the boat at ahead standard. You don't have to crash dive. We're strictly casual here. It's not like the plane is a real danger or anything.

Just hit "d" to dive normally, don't touch the throttle, you'll forget it later and burn up all your fuel (ask me how I know!). As your boat passes periscope depth start your stopwatch and set your depth for 100'. Just as soon as your stop watch says five minutes hit the "s" key and pop up to the surface. Do not hang around at periscope depth looking around. You would miss any planes anyway because of the restricted field of view.

And if you think about it, it takes over five minutes for a newly detected plane to enter your danger radius. There were no other planes when you submerged, therefore you are perfectly safe because your combat awareness picture is 100%. When you hit the surface, if no other planes are in detection range, resume 1024x or 2048x.

Rinse and repeat as necessary. That's my yo-yo plan. At no time during this procedure do I need to spend more than 10 seconds at 1x real time. I've run six or seven minutes off the battery and in 10 I will be at full charge again getting maximum fuel economy.

I have been perfectly safe during the entire procedure. My boat is always at 100% battery capacity or so close to it that it doesn't matter. I am always getting maximum fuel economy because I don't charge batteries much. Because I'm on the surface every second I can be at 9 knots I'm searching more than 10 times more square miles per day than an ostrich and sinking the same ratio of targets.

If diesel-electric subs are fought properly they rock!:D

[commandosolo2009]

schooling RR are you? :rotfl2: (He hasn't been the same since he sunk an Essex.):D

Well, I guess Lockwood and Nimitz gave him a lesson, so go easy on the man, it was an honest mistake :O:

[Rockin Robbins]

Yeah, it was their fault. The Essex wasn't supposed to be there.

I know. Nimitz didn't listen to me either.....:oops:

[TorpX]

I've only been playing the S- 18 class boats. In this context most of the advice here seems dubious.

I'll begin with, all of the decks awash business. When I'm at sea, much of the time the seas are rough; often 30kt wind. The decks are already awash. Waves are often up to the bridge. I find it difficult to believe RL subs spent a lot of time at less than full surface. Perhaps, the fleetboats could do that though.

Rockin R:
The "ice cream cone" method is only usable if you have radar and the contact is plotted on the map. When do the S-class get radar? I've never had it. Surfacing without difinitive contact infornation would be an outright gamble.

You stated:
"I am always getting maximum fuel economy because I don't charge batteries much. Because I'm on the surface every second I can be at 9 knots I'm searching more than 10 times more square miles per day than an ostrich and sinking the same ratio of targets."

Are you aware of O'Kane's proceedure of static patroling?
Simply put, they waited on the surface scanning the horizon, then at night moved 20 mi over to do the same thing next day. Roaming around at 9 kts "searching" does little to improve your odds of finding targets and uses up a lot of fuel in the bargain.

[Armistead]

RR, you hang around this thread you're gonna learn something....:lurk::lurk::lurk::lurk:

[NorthBeach]

RR, you hang around this thread you're gonna learn something....

:har:

[commandosolo2009]

RR, you hang around this thread you're gonna learn something....:lurk::lurk::lurk::lurk:


HAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!:har::haha:

:har:
+1

[TorpX]

As far as my previous post is concerned, I didn't mean to be snarky. My point is that every stratagy dealing with aircraft seems to have its own disadvantages. Perhaps that is just an element of good realistic game play.

BTW, is there much of a difference in the types of aircraft? I've hardly seen a single engine airplane, every time I've been bombed, it's been form a 4 engine flying boat. Once this happened when it was rather dark...scared the crap out of me (I thought I was safe after sunset).

[Mescator]

Once this happened when it was rather dark...scared the crap out of me (I thought I was safe after sunset).

Happened to me as well. Thankfully a crewman spotted it and i got my boat under before it managed a run. Don't know if it even saw me.

Lesson learned though, it seems sometimes aircraft fly short distances at night (Happened to me off the coast of Borneo). I'm pretty keen on my SD at night now =p

[Armistead]

As far as my previous post is concerned, I didn't mean to be snarky. My point is that every stratagy dealing with aircraft seems to have its own disadvantages. Perhaps that is just an element of good realistic game play.

BTW, is there much of a difference in the types of aircraft? I've hardly seen a single engine airplane, every time I've been bombed, it's been form a 4 engine flying boat. Once this happened when it was rather dark...scared the crap out of me (I thought I was safe after sunset).


We're just funning with ya, RR is one of our oldest and most experienced members and has a whole thread dedicated to his training videos and tactics.

Mods change things up, but they're many type planes in game and they can carry different loadouts. When you have radar you can pick the larger planes up much further away than smaller planes.

When you learn the game, planes shouldn't give you many problems. With radar all I do is hit the dive button, no drawing of lines and never have a problem. Even without radar, a visual sighting I can crash dive and get under most the time.

Playing stock, planes will drive you crazy, too many and they spawn seemingly anywhere, mods correct this.

[WernherVonTrapp]

I understand that in all mod configurations there are inappropriate planes everywhere doing and dropping inappropriate things. But I've never seen it!
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/where-am-i.gifI know, I'm late again but since it has already been mentioned, I just have to vent upon this very point. I take exception to all the leaflets the Japs have been dropping around my boat concerning a certain house(:03:) in a certain red light district(:03:) of Tokyo. Is there any way to add this to their long list of war crimes?:stare:

[I'm goin' down]

(giggle) I suggest you brush up on the Dick O'Kane method. The Captains
Bag of Tricks sticky is a great place to start.:D:D

[Rockin Robbins]

And now we finally know why the official Ubi forum censors "Dick O'Kane."
:har: