Closing the 'Anchor Baby' Loophole

[Gerald]

Rep. Steve King details proposed bill to put an end to birthright citizenship and the 'misuse' of the 14th Amendment

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4489724/closing-the-anchor-baby-loophole/?playlist_id=87485



Note: Jan 8, 2011

[mookiemookie]

The term "anchor baby" is a myth. An illegal immigrant who comes over here and has a child is just as subject to deportation as any other illegal. An immigrant child has to wait until they turn 21 to sponsor parents for a visa. And even then, good luck waiting the 20 or so years that it takes to actually get that visa.

This is pure pandering to the uninformed rabble. Politics as usual. We have real problems to solve with our immigration laws without circus sideshows like this interfering.

[GoldenRivet]

a fairly short sighted comment.

you must consider what this "automatic citizenship" does to the landscape of the nation 20 years from now.

[Armistead]

Problem is they don't deport them in many states when they find they do they have a legal baby, as then the cost of raising the child goe's to the governemnt.

We have complete towns here in NC taken over by mexicans, you drive down the street your lucky to see a few signs in english, most are said to be 80% illegal. These were your small farm towns, some bigger like Asheboro, most the whites have left due to crime, no education in the school and property values dropping.

[mookiemookie]

a fairly short sighted comment.

you must consider what this "automatic citizenship" does to the landscape of the nation 20 years from now.

I don't disagree that we should have real reform with quotas and strict laws that are actually enforced. But the term "anchor baby" is wrong and takes away from the real work that needs to be done.

[tater]

There doesn't need to be legal status for the parent for the baby to be an anchor. Having the US citizen baby is an incentive to stay in the country illegally, even when you might otherwise head home.

The "anchor" can be an incentive, not legal status granted to the parent.

Bottom line is that the loophole needs closing, children of illegals should be illegal.

Also, and perhaps someone is a lawyer and can answer, what happens when an illegal is in a status hearing, and they have a US citizen child? Can they argue that deporting them—and they will take their child—is harm to a US citizen (the child)? Seems like a plausible lever in court to argue hardship for a US citizen who is a minor child. No idea if it gets used this way or if it is possible.

[Armistead]

Only a few illegal parents actually apply for legal status when a legal child sponsers them. Law states they have to go home for 10 years before they qualify, so they just ignore it, knowing it's highly unlikely they will be deported. I have a friend that works in processing illegals...those arrested, who stays and who goes. Basically his training was...if they have legal children, with a wink and a nod....pass those over for others without children.

Interesting facts.

Based on 2002 census data, the Center for Immigration Studies calculated that households headed by illegal immigrants cost $10.4 billion more than they contributed in taxes. Among the largest costs were Medicaid, food assistance, federal prison and court systems, and federal aid to schools.

5.1 million kids, have at least one parent in the country illegally. Of those children, 79 percent were born here, the study found.

[mookiemookie]

Only a few illegal parents actually apply for legal status when a legal child sponsers them. Law states they have to go home for 10 years before they qualify, so they just ignore it, knowing it's highly unlikely they will be deported. I have a friend that works in processing illegals...those arrested, who stays and who goes. Basically his training was...if they have legal children, with a wink and a nod....pass those over for others without children.

I think this is one of the major problems with our immigration policies today - we don't enforce the laws we have on the books. If it's a manpower or funding thing, then maybe we should spend our time and energy addressing those problems instead of making news laws that we're not going to enforce anyways and then saying we did something about it.

[tater]

I agree, it's already illegal to be illegal. Technically they should all be deported under existing law.

The PC police have us calling them all kinds of things, when the proper, legal term is "illegal alien." When was the last time you heard that used in the press? Odd, they go out of their way to talk about "alleged" murderers, etc, yet fail to use the right term for illegal aliens.

[gimpy117]

the other thing that struck me in that video was how sweet the republican senator sounded when he was talking about repealing "obamacare". Jesus. He sounded like my grandma...but he's talking about screwing the poor and underprivileged in this nation.

[Ducimus]

a fairly short sighted comment.

you must consider what this "automatic citizenship" does to the landscape of the nation 20 years from now.

You can see the results of anchor babies, right now. In california. English here is a second language. If you want to look at it even farther and longer term. We're being breed out of our own country. With each anchor baby comes a hispanic vote, and they always vote for what would be in mexican interets. In other words, they're quite literally, taking over this portion of the country, and not having to fire a single shot. California right now, for all intents and purposes, is a province of mexico. The hispanic vote here is strong now from years of unabaited illeagal immigration and anchor babies. Now polititions MUST pander to them, or not get re elected.

This needs to stop.

[Armistead]

We have about 100 useless military bases left over from the cold war in europe. Many could be shut down. I say Europe can deal, let's close em down and open about 50 on the border and shut it down.

My wife use to teach kids with speech problems through a local school, now legal kids that need speech help come second as the classes stay full of illegals learning english.

[vienna]

Another aspect of the "anchor baby" issue:

There are a rather large number of foreign nationals who come to the U.S. specifically to have their children born in the U.S. in order to have the child gain U.S. citizenship and then the parent(s) and child(ren) return to the homeland. This is often done as an "escape hatch" in the event of the need to flee their native country due to conditions in their native country. A lot of these persons having their children born in the U.S. are persons of some wealth and/or political position. Here in California it is not uncommon to see wealthy Middle-Eastern families (particularly Saudi) arrive with their preganant wives, have the child on U.S. soil, and then leave for thier homeland. The same holds for prominent familes in Latin American countries and other nationalities. These families, due to their wealth, prominence, and connections within the U.S. business and/or political worlds have effectively blocked any widespread immigration reform in fear that they would not have the refuge afforded by the "citizenship" rights held by their children. An acquaintance of mine who did work as a bodyguard for Middle-Eastern citizens visiting in the U.S. once told me that in the run-up to the fall of the Shah of Iran, he personally guarded several of the wives and families of high-level business and politcal leaders who feared what would happen to them should the Shah fall and they did not have an "anchor" to provide them with a rationale to flee to the U.S. This situation was in fact covertly encouraged by the State Department and various intelligence agencies in an effort to reassure their "assets" that the U.S. stood by them should anything happen. As long as this practice of turning a blind eye on the actions of the privileged few countinues, there will not be significant or effective immigration reform.

[Tribesman]

English here is a second language.
Yeah, next thing they are going to do is change all the names of the cities in California to Spanish ones. Evil Mexicans try your worst , true americans will always call san diego san diego no matter how much the newcomers try and erase the past history:yeah:

[tater]

If you want spanish language pronunciation practice, all you need do is live in the US Southwest and watch the evening news. There are newsreaders with excellent accents on every local station, and virtually every name in the crime blotter allows them to trill their rs, etc.

It's very instructive.

Regardless, it's not about "mexicans" it's about ILLEGALS.

I don;t care how many mexicans are allowed to LEGALLY come to the US. Up it to 1 million per year for all I care. The ILLEGALS, on the other hand, should be shot as the cross over the border as the invaders they are. Fill out a form, and come in like a civilized person? Welcome! Sneak in illegally? Lethal force.

Let more in legally, but let NONE in illegally (as close to none as possible, no holds barred on how). I actually know many people from mexico here. Probably more than almost anyone on this forum who is a knee-jerk defender of illegals. I like Mexicans, they are by and large nice, hard working people (my best friend's mom—a sort of "extra" mom for me, actually lives in the DF). Coming in other than through proper channels should be met with force, though. Sorry. Kill a few and the flood over the border will cease, IMHO. They know we do nothing.

[Ducimus]

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American ... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag ... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

- Theodore Roosevelt


Wanted to post this, but couldn't find a better place then here. But it highlights a problem we have here in SoCal.

[Aramike]

I don't disagree that we should have real reform with quotas and strict laws that are actually enforced. But the term "anchor baby" is wrong and takes away from the real work that needs to be done.Why?

Actually, it's not a myth, it's a real problem. Sure, the parents are subject to deportation - but the child itself is NOT. That's where the problem lies, and closing such a loophole is an EXCELLENT idea.

[Aramike]

Wanted to post this, but couldn't find a better place then here. But it highlights a problem we have here in SoCal.Heh, that problem is even as far north as Milwaukee.

[Platapus]

We're being breed out of our own country.


Bred out of our own country??? I did not know that American was a breed?

Besides unless your a Native Indian, you have no cause to talk about being bred out of "your" country. :D

I wonder if the Indians had this same conversation

"Man, these anchor babies from Europe. They just anchor their ships and start breeding"

"You ain't kidding. Look around. Iroquois is now a second language!"

"Sheesh, we are being bred out of our own land."

"Might as well call all of the East Coast "England" or something huh?"

"I guess we will have to move a little West."

"There goes the neighbourhood"

[Ducimus]

You can tap dance around ethics, morals and history all you want, but being bred out of the area is EXACTLY what is happening. Like it or not. They do not integrate, nor do not identify themselves as Americans.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/illegal-immigration/3817d1180141665-mexifornia-what-california-becoming-montibello2jpg.jpghttp://www.staggeron.org/images/Mexifornia_cheers.jpg

edit:
And just so you know, Montebello is in california. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Montebello,+CA&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=10.29533,47.373047&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Montebello,+Los+Angeles,+California&ll=34.012827,-118.065948&spn=0.112126,0.370102&z=11)

[Aramike]

Platipus, I think you're missing the point. It's not about any culture being unwelcome. It's about their NATIONALISM being unwelcome.

[Ducimus]

Platipus, I think you're missing the point. It's not about any culture being unwelcome. It's about their NATIONALISM being unwelcome.

Living here, as the years go on, I see fewer and fewer Americans' and more and more foreign nationals, with English being spoken less and less. I guess I should just accept things, and start learning Spanish, eh? Truth be told, it's too late to do anything about illegal immigration now. That train left a few years ago, and this state is a lost cause.

[Platapus]

Sorta like the way Europeans integrated with the Indians? :hmmm:

No one ever said that the ethnic make up of the United States would never change.

"this state is a lost cause."

Well I hope you will pardon some of us who still think the USA is a pretty good place to live and also believe that the future will be ok. It won't be as bad as some fear, not as good as some want. But it will be ok.

And yeah, learning Spanish might be a good idea. Are there any other industrial nations in the world whose citizens speak only one language?

I wish I could speak another language, but I am too dumb. Have tried many times in the past, but, linguistically, I am an average American. I am not exactly proud of that though.

[Ducimus]

Platapus, I think the point of the angst has flown over your head at 50,000 feet. Go back and reread Teddy Roosevelts quote there. Then take a good look at those pictures, which are just the tip of the iceberg.

this state is a lost cause."

Well I hope you will pardon some of us who still think the USA

I said this STATE, not this COUNTRY, and California is indeed a lost cause, in more ways then one.

You know what I tell myself? Just to be fair? I tell myself they've decided to tear up the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, and take back some the lands we took from them during the Mexican American war. Seems only fair, doesn't it? In the meantime, i look forward to moving back to the good ole US. I don't much like living in an overcrowded and bankrupt foreign province.

[Platapus]

Platapus, I think the point of the angst has flown over your head at 50,000 feet. Go back and reread Teddy Roosevelts quote there. Then take a good look at those pictures, which are just the tip of the iceberg.


your point is not that hard to understand. I just don't agree with it.

If you are going to quote TR, you might want to read all that he said

I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't inquire too closely into the case of the tenth. The most vicious cowboy has more moral principle than the average Indian.

I admire TR for many things, but as an authority on immigration? Nah

[Ducimus]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this subject. Immigration is one area where i lean so far to the right, i might as well have scoliosis. I'm fiercely nationalistic.

(edit: when filling out forms and it asks for ethnicity, I always check the "other" box and write in, "American". I never specify Chinese, German, or Cherokee. Which is what my parents backgrounds were.)

[tater]

I don't think it's just nationalism, I think it is basic fairness. Immigration is a contract. We welcome the (legal) immigrants, and they agree to do their best to become Americans. We offer them our culture, and we happily absorb the parts of their culture we feel are useful. Typically this means their cuisine, and since english loves to steal words, bits of language.

I'm all for the cuisine, and the odd bit of spanglish is fine, too. But they need to become AMERICAN or GTFO.

Illegals should all be ejected. Every single one of them. Amnesty? Sure, we tell them to voluntarily leave, and then we won't discriminate against them if they try again LEGALLY. If they get ejected, they should be disallowed legal entry for the rest of their lives. I'd also let more in legally.

People in a group called "the race" (la Raza) should be treated exactly as we'd treat whites in neo nazi or KKK type organizations.

[Aramike]

Sorta like the way Europeans integrated with the Indians? Yeah, and I bet the Indians were pretty pissed off about it then, but there was little they could do about it.

So, are we wrong to be pissed off about it NOW when there's things that CAN be done?

[Freiwillige]

Bred out of our own country??? I did not know that American was a breed?

Besides unless your a Native Indian, you have no cause to talk about being bred out of "your" country. :D

I wonder if the Indians had this same conversation

"Man, these anchor babies from Europe. They just anchor their ships and start breeding"

"You ain't kidding. Look around. Iroquois is now a second language!"

"Sheesh, we are being bred out of our own land."

"Might as well call all of the East Coast "England" or something huh?"

"I guess we will have to move a little West."

"There goes the neighbourhood"

That's exactly what they did and they took up arms against us and we defeated them. Why did we defeat them? Because they were splintered and failed to unite against the growing threat. We bought loyalty from certain tribes and then dispossessed them from their lands when we had no more use for them. We kept them fighting each other and played on the tribes distrust for our gain. Like it or not we didn't immigrate we invaded and took what we wanted. Guess what it's natures natural cycle. But at least they said enough and tried to mount resistance I give them credit for that.

[Tribesman]

You know what I tell myself? Just to be fair? I tell myself they've decided to tear up the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, and take back some the lands we took from them during the Mexican American war.
Thats funny, especially when you complain about language also quoted some fella who played a role in taking more Spanish speaking territory which of course still has Spanish as an official language.
So in case you missed it, you were quoting someone who wanted every citizen to speak English, yet who partook in action that ensured that more Spanish speakers became citizens and were allowed to officialy speak Spanish as a first language in America.

Plus of course as Platypus mentioned, maybe Teddy ain't really a good person to quote when you are talking about different peoples and the nature of the state.

[Platapus]

That's exactly what they did and they took up arms against us and we defeated them. Why did we defeat them? Because they were splintered and failed to unite against the growing threat.

No, we defeated them by betraying treaties, lying to them, committing perfidious acts, and having more advanced weapons.

Plus we could continue bring more troops from the continent than they could muster in the tribes.

Oh and about those diseases? Sorry.

We defeated them because we considered them less than we were. It is not part of our history we should be especially proud of.

[Ducimus]

You keep mentioning Indians. So basically what i get from that is your wanting to roll over on your back and do nothing for the here and now, because of some misplaced sense of guilt for something that happened over a century ago.

Seriously man, no place is perfect. Least of all the US. We both served, we both know this. But right or wrong as our country may be, (past, or present) it' still our home despite any regrets or faults, and worth defending and preserving.

[Platapus]

You have a "unique" way of interpreting what people write. :D

Besides I thought you wrote that we will agree to disagree?

[Ducimus]

You have a "unique" way of interpreting what people write. :D

I just glossed over your last post or two as "Indians.. diseases.. we killed them and took their land... bad bad evil us." I glossed it because i kept seeing reference to Indian's. The repeated reference just made my eyes roll back in my head and i stopped reading every word.


Besides I thought you wrote that we will agree to disagree?
Yeah your right. Only reason i respond at all, is because the subject in general just gets me hot under the collar. Very hard for me to not respond in some way. Where this topic is concerned, my emotions run high.

[Platapus]

Well I think we both made our positions clear.:yeah:

Now on to something else.

How about them Redskins, are they sucking or what. :har:

[Ducimus]

How about them Redskins, are they sucking or what. :har:

I dunno, I don't keep up with football. It never interested me much. (how unamerican of me i know. :haha: ). I was however, lamenting how much it must suck to be a cop after reading the usual shennanigans over at fark.com. After that i watched some videos on youtube, and you know people HATE cops. Bashing on cops as nazi brownshirts is in vogue and all the rage. Even when the people are in the wrong, (though they won't admit that, not even to themselves.) I don't think there is an occupation that deals with the general public where you get shat on more then law enforcement.

[geetrue]

http://www.mainstreet.com/slideshow/lifestyle/most-immigrant-friendly-cities-america?cm_ven=msnetzero


15 of the most immigrant friendly cities in America

Fort Wayne, Ind.

Austin, Texas

Princeton, N.J.

Seattle

El Paso, Texas

Durham, N.C.

New York City

Louisville, Ky.

Philadelphia

Columbus, Ohio

Chattanooga, Tenn

Los Angeles

Boulder, Colo

Littleton, Colo.

Richmond, Va

[Aramike]

No, we defeated them by betraying treaties, lying to them, committing perfidious acts, and having more advanced weapons.

Plus we could continue bring more troops from the continent than they could muster in the tribes.

Oh and about those diseases? Sorry.

We defeated them because we considered them less than we were. It is not part of our history we should be especially proud of.So you're saying THEY shouldn't have been upset about that?

[Aramike]

http://www.mainstreet.com/slideshow/lifestyle/most-immigrant-friendly-cities-america?cm_ven=msnetzero


15 of the most immigrant friendly cities in America

Fort Wayne, Ind.

Austin, Texas

Princeton, N.J.

Seattle

El Paso, Texas

Durham, N.C.

New York City

Louisville, Ky.

Philadelphia

Columbus, Ohio

Chattanooga, Tenn

Los Angeles

Boulder, Colo

Littleton, Colo.

Richmond, VaI'd love my city to be one of those ...

by that I mean LEGAL immigrant friendly....