Neo-Nazis Reportedly Take Over East German Village

[Gerald]

Officials say neo-Nazis have taken over a village in east Germany, according to the Daily Telegraph.Residents of Jamel say their village has become a pilgrimage site for the extremists and the local mayor claims that authorities have given up trying to impose order on the town.

"The police, the authorities, no one dares to intervene. The Nazis are laughing in our faces. We've given up on Jamel," Mayor Uwe Wandel told the Daily Telegraph.

The paper reports that swastikas adorn houses across the village and a plaque at the entrance of town says, "Village of Jamel -- free, social, national."

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/01/05/neo-nazis-east-german-village/


Note: Published January 05, 2011

[UnderseaLcpl]

These people aren't even close to Nazis. Everyone knows that Nazis conquer other countries' villages first, or petition for the return of Free Cities to the Reich. Failing that, they all become stereotyped Germans who die in droves in Hollywood movies.

I suggest that they should all be imprisoned until work sets them free.

[mookiemookie]

Crappy news article. Why is Jamel a pilgrimage site? How did this happen? Who's in charge? Why haven't the police stopped this?

[Schroeder]

There is pretty much nothing about that in the German news.:hmmm:
If it's true they should send in a few hundred cops and restore order.

[Gerald]

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/80058/Neo-Nazis-Reportedly-Take-Over-East-German-Village.html

[Kongo Otto]

There is pretty much nothing about that in the German news.:hmmm:
If it's true they should send in a few hundred cops and restore order.

Habs mal nachgegoogelt, da hat irgendein angeblich sehr bekannter Neo Nazi in diesem Ort Jamel ein paar Häuser und Grundstücke gekauft, mehr war da eigentlich bis jetzt noch nicht.
Und nachdem der Kauf eines Hauses keine Straftat ist, was sollte man dagegen dann auch machen?

Translation:
Did google the Story, there was a well known Neo Nazi who bought some Houses and the Land around it in the village and its surroundings. Since buying a house isnt a criminal act in Germany, what should be done against it?

Edit: The most actual German News about this whole thing is from February 2009

[antikristuseke]

So basically the daily telegraphs is blowing things wildly out of proportion, who knew.

[Kongo Otto]

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/80058/Neo-Nazis-Reportedly-Take-Over-East-German-Village.html

Its from the same Source: Fox News
So you want to proof your first post, with the same news again. or am i getting something wrong?

By the way: I went on to the Daily telegraph Web Site and searched for the Article of Jamel which is Quoted as a source by Fox News and all i found was this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8240795/Nazi-village-in-Germany-becomes-no-go-zone.html


By the way, why are not talking about the Swedisch Neo Nazi Scene, which is way more active then the German one.

[Gerald]

Its from the same Source: Fox News
So you want to proof your first post, with the same news again. or am i getting something wrong?

By the way: I went on to the Daily telegraph Web Site and searched for the Article of Jamel which is Quoted as a source by Fox News and all i found was this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8240795/Nazi-village-in-Germany-becomes-no-go-zone.html


By the way, why are not talking about the Swedisch Neo Nazi Scene, which is way more active then the German one. Kongo Otto, I think you have misunderstood something along the way, I posted another link was not because I have a need, to show that what I posted was wrong, but rather another link that comes from the same source as the origin for

[Takeda Shingen]

These people aren't even close to Nazis. Everyone knows that Nazis conquer other countries' villages first, or petition for the return of Free Cities to the Reich. Failing that, they all become stereotyped Germans who die in droves in Hollywood movies.

I suggest that they should all be imprisoned until work sets them free.

*Insert lecture about cultural ethnocentrism here*

[Kongo Otto]

Kongo Otto, I think you have misunderstood something along the way, I posted another link was not because I have a need, to show that what I posted was wrong, but rather another link that comes from the same source as the origin for

Ah ok, anways wasn't ment as a offense against you. :salute:

Hmmm for me the Fox News Story has a smell, because Fox News quotes a link to the Daily Telegraph which isnt existing. :hmmm:

[Gerald]

Ah ok, anways wasn't ment as a offense against you. :salute:

Hmmm for me the Fox News Story has a smell, because Fox News quotes a link to the Daily Telegraph which isnt existing. :hmmm: No problems, :up:

[Growler]

Can a German national clarify a question for me? I thought it was illegal in Deutschland for someone to even be associated with the NSDAP?

[Kongo Otto]

Can a German national clarify a question for me? I thought it was illegal in Deutschland for someone to even be associated with the NSDAP?

The NSDAP is still illegal in germany, but there are many other small Neo Nazi Parties like the NPD or the DVU. There is not just one Neo Nazi Parti here, but there are not so many as the media always claims. Here in Bavaria when 50 Nazis show up, mostly there ist twice as much cops at the scene.

[Growler]

Vielen dank, Kongo. I was under the impression that anything that could even remotely be associated with Hitlerian Nazism was verboten. Clearly, I was mistaken - I appreciate your help!

[Skybird]

Neonazism and antisemitism is on the rise again in Germany, as is left extremism too. Especially in Eastern Germany, there are more thna just Jarmel, more villages and small towns, where Neonazis have taken over control, even have become the dominant political faction town withz shares of around one third, and I seem to remember that in some very few villages they even have the support of a majority of local villagers, but this I quote from memory and am not totally certain that it does not fool me.

Crime associated with right extremism still has the edge over crime associated with lkeft extremism, but the balance is shifting rapidly. Last year, right-winged crime has been found to decvline a little bit, while leftist crime has doubled.

With many areas especially in the East being disconnected from any economic perspective and sopcial developement for a diversity of reasons, the East is a strong breeding ground for extremism. Nazism, Leftism/Communism and Islamism are the three dominating representatives of this trend. the onme thing they all have in common is a strong anti-Israel and anti-USA bias and a strong antisemitic sentiment.

[Schroeder]

Vielen dank, Kongo. I was under the impression that anything that could even remotely be associated with Hitlerian Nazism was verboten. Clearly, I was mistaken - I appreciate your help!
It is. They always have to watch their words and symbols they use. It's a balance between freedom of speech and protection against the Nazi ideology.

[Growler]

It is. They always have to watch their words and symbols they use. It's a balance between freedom of speech and protection against the Nazi ideology.

Can you explore this further for me, Schroeder? Are the guys being called NeoNazi flagrantly violating the law, or using a legal hole to avoid prosecution? I would think that any resurgence of something approximating "power" in the hands of people like this would be cracked down upon very swiftly, yet it appears not to be the case.

[Schroeder]

As I said, it's a difficult act of balancing. As long as they don't use swastikas and keep their rhetoric free of direct Nazi propaganda there is nothing the law can do against them. That's the downside of freedom of speech. They still do have the same view of the world as the original Nazis but have to hide it behind nicer words and other symbols as the original Nazis. They always try to get as close to the border of what's legal and sound as much as the "originals" as possible without violating laws. Sometimes however they do cross the line and that's when they can be prosecuted. For example for inciting hatred against minorities, glorifying / denying the holocaust (they should really finally make up their minds about that...:roll: ), direct praise for nazi leaders etc.

[Growler]

As I said, it's a difficult act of balancing. As long as they don't use swastikas and keep their rhetoric free of direct Nazi propaganda there is nothing the law can do against them. That's the downside of freedom of speech. They still do have the same view of the world as the original Nazis but have to hide it behind nicer words and other symbols as the original Nazis. They always try to get as close to the border of what's legal and sound as much as the "originals" as possible without violating laws. Sometimes however they do cross the line and that's when they can be prosecuted. For example for inciting hatred against minorities, glorifying / denying the holocaust (they should really finally make up their minds about that...:roll: ), direct praise for nazi leaders etc.

Ok, I think I follow. Same thing as here in the states with groups like the KKK - we KNOW you're a bunch of basic thugs, but you've yet to actually cross the line to thuggery, so we have to let you be. And when a member of your group DOES cross, we'll treat that member as the lawbreaker, rather than the group as a whole.

[The Third Man]

Germany needs to open its society and allow those whose opinions diverge from the usual. What is the fear? That they get trampled again? Don't forget the Mouse that Roared.

[Schroeder]

Ok, I think I follow. Same thing as here in the states with groups like the KKK - we KNOW you're a bunch of basic thugs, but you've yet to actually cross the line to thuggery, so we have to let you be. And when a member of your group DOES cross, we'll treat that member as the lawbreaker, rather than the group as a whole.
That sums it up perfectly.:salute:

[Growler]

That sums it up perfectly.:salute:

As much as I am grateful for our freedoms, sometimes it feels like a rotten way to do business. Nothing like letting the hate build up and fester just because they know how to avert legal catastrophe - then the hate boils over and it's too hard to contain.

But, truth be told, I guess, I would rather deal with it this way than have any dissenting opinion at all squashed by authoritarian governments.

Thanks, Schroeder and Kongo both, for the opportunity to learn a little more. :)

[The Third Man]

Let them proceed as they wish. If german society is what it needs to be their actions will be deminised without intervention.

[Gerald]

Germany needs to open its society and allow those whose opinions diverge from the usual. What is the fear? That they get trampled again? Don't forget the Mouse that Roared. Germany is an open country like many other west countries, and every country has its defects just like humans

[gimpy117]

so wait is this more of a Nazi Woodstock or an actual armed takeover? there is a big difference.

[Gerald]

so wait is this more of a Nazi Woodstock or an actual armed takeover? there is a big difference. Sure there Is a difference, but those who live in the country might sit on the best responses

[Reece]

Woodstock! Where's Steve!:yeah:

[Schroeder]

so wait is this more of a Nazi Woodstock or an actual armed takeover? there is a big difference.
Haven't heard of any armed take over here. But I do more and more get the feeling that our media isn't reporting things any more that are too...inconvenient.:nope:

[Gammelpreusse]

Haven't heard of any armed take over here. But I do more and more get the feeling that our media isn't reporting things any more that are too...inconvenient.:nope:


That's been my point in the Muslim thread. Odd priorities the German media has in the light of those news. But that fits within the development of a raise in nationalism over the last couple months in general.

[Gerald]

That's been my point in the Muslim thread. Odd priorities the German media has in the light of those news. But that fits within the development of a raise in nationalism over the last couple months in general. This topic is not, a muslim thread,maybe you mixed up with something..:hmmm:

[Skybird]

The village of Jamel is no unknown in German press and internet media - since years. It just does not get reported about every week.

16.08.2007 Der Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,496755,00.html)

14.10.2003 Links lang Presseschau (http://www.links-lang.de/presse/1231.htm)

11.08.2010 Blick nach Rechts (http://www.links-lang.de/presse/1231.htm)

The latest edition of the printed Der Spiegel (1/2011) also has a report about Jamel, on page 40 (Allein unter Nazis).

There is no armed revolution, but the majority of the population is confessing to Nazism, and many non-Nazis have left the village. They hold Nazi events and praise the ways things have done by in the Third Reich.

[Gammelpreusse]

This topic is not, a muslim thread,maybe you mixed up with something..:hmmm:

Nope, nothing mixed up. Just some cross referencing to this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=178538.

[Gerald]

Nope, nothing mixed up. Just some cross referencing to this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=178538.
The link is to a completely different topic, and it is about different cultures, but is not a pure cultured Muslim style

[Gammelpreusse]

The link is to a completely different topic, and it is about different cultures, but is not a pure cultured Muslim style


Look, that is what I wrote in the linked thread

And frankly, I yet have to meet a radical muslim. Thinking about it, I met more radical germans (aka NeoNazis) then radical Muslims. I also heared of more murder and acts of violence by Neonazis then the other way around. Yet they hardly dominate the news. A little tidbit also making me a bit suspicion about the motives behind the current muslim debate. Is this really about basic human rights and their acceptance or is it about foreign influences into German society

I hope that helps you in understanding the cross reference.

[Gerald]

Look, that is what I wrote in the linked thread

And frankly, I yet have to meet a radical muslim. Thinking about it, I met more radical germans (aka NeoNazis) then radical Muslims. I also heared of more murder and acts of violence by Neonazis then the other way around. Yet they hardly dominate the news. A little tidbit also making me a bit suspicion about the motives behind the current muslim debate. Is this really about basic human rights and their acceptance or is it about foreign influences into German society

I hope that helps you in understanding the cross reference. Well I understand, and yes they intersect, that this thread was not milked is perhaps because that's commonplace in Germany where, as reported by others here so there was no news flow on this event which only Fox.com had, of course, to sell and make money, but of course there are "some" similarities to the other if you do a deep analysis