airplanes

[kaizerkat]

Finally i saw a swordfish bi-plane around scapa flow.Although, i think there is still something wrong, cause i have not seen a airplane, like i think i should, in over 10 patrols.Is there a file i need to check? My cfg file is unchanged, so i am thinking the campaign file LND,RND or something is altered by the st.naz and schleuse mod.Any ideas.BTW my patrol date is 10Jan1940/9th patrol.I have been patoling around Gibraltor lately.


"property monopolized or in the possesion by afew is a curse to mankind"
1765

[Brag]

Are you using GWX or any other mods?

[Mittelwaechter]

Aircraft rarely show up at time compression over 256, this may be your problem.

[HW3]

You are still very early in the war. Just wait till later, you won't be able to escape running into them.:yep:

[Axeman3d]

Your relationship with aircraft won't get particularly close until later in the war. You're only a couple of months in and it's still the Sitzkrieg war. By early 1944 you will be running around afraid to surface during the day because of planes, and by late '44 you will be afraid to surface even at night.

[Missing Name]

I'm not sure why you're actively looking for planes. They scare the living bejeezus out of me. Got 'bushed by a Catalina, was lucky it was only a near hit. Still knocked the FlaK, deck gun and periscopes out for a bit.

[Jimbuna]

Finally i saw a swordfish bi-plane around scapa flow.Although, i think there is still something wrong, cause i have not seen a airplane, like i think i should, in over 10 patrols.Is there a file i need to check? My cfg file is unchanged, so i am thinking the campaign file LND,RND or something is altered by the st.naz and schleuse mod.Any ideas.BTW my patrol date is 10Jan1940/9th patrol.I have been patoling around Gibraltor lately.


"property monopolized or in the possesion by afew is a curse to mankind"
1765

The schleuse mod doesn't/shouldn't affect plane rendering but the tc factor does (anything above x128).

BTW if your seeing Swordfish that is a clear indicator there is a carrier nearby.

[kaizerkat]

I'm running GWX. As soon as i wrote this thread, i started getting attacked by swordfish every 1/2 hr. I saw only one wellington.You guys r right. I think i'm too early in the war and if the other planes are like the swordfish in attacking then i'm in for a battle.Out of six sw
ordfish, only one bomb came close, causing alot of damage.Thanks all for the feedback.



'Don't rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world stood up and stopped the bastard, the bitch that bore him is in heat again"

[desirableroasted]

BTW if your seeing Swordfish that is a clear indicator there is a carrier nearby.

You keep saying that! I've been playing this game 5 years and have never run down a carrier, though they have appeared in TFs/Convoys.

Perhaps, à la Clinton, I should ask what you mean by "is" and "nearby."

[Brag]

Lots of airplane trouble my way already in mid 1941 (read the Balz Missing thread).

[Jimbuna]

You keep saying that! I've been playing this game 5 years and have never run down a carrier, though they have appeared in TFs/Convoys.

Perhaps, à la Clinton, I should ask what you mean by "is" and "nearby."

I keep saying that because IT IS TRUE.

Check the planes heading and run down it or better still.....pause the game, take a note of the precise time and date and open the ME to interrogate the Scr layer....you should see the carrier then.

[HW3]

I keep saying that because IT IS TRUE.

Yep, he is right.:yep: I've sunk several bogue carriers after spotting the swordfish.

[desirableroasted]

I keep saying that because IT IS TRUE.

take a note of the precise time and date and open the ME to interrogate the Scr layer....you should see the carrier then.

Thanks, jimbuna. I know I can do that if I really wanted to know... but so far have always resisted. There is always a price for "perfect intelligence;" in this case it would be the joy of the game.

[Jimbuna]

Thanks, jimbuna. I know I can do that if I really wanted to know... but so far have always resisted. There is always a price for "perfect intelligence;" in this case it would be the joy of the game.

That is true but it is a price some on the GWX team had to pay because of scripting and testing requirements.

SINK EM ALL MATEY!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[kaizerkat]

yeah, i took your advice and started moving toward Lerwick, above scapa flow, in pursuit of the bogue carrier.All of a sudden, i CTD. Eveytime i would reload and when i got to that same grid area, CTD. I read a thread somewhere this happens in certain areas' of the sim. I also experienced this around Bergan. Eveywhere else no problems, so far.Any thoughts?Again, i'm running GWX with a mid-end machine.


"Uns hilpht kein Gott, unsere welt, zu erhalten> Amen"

[Gaz360GT]

Over the last few patrols I have been wondering whether my career was broken or not as I am in Januery 1941 (started career in August 1939), 11 patrols completed and have only seen axis planes so far :06:

I will have to see if they start to appear as the war progresses.

[Tessa]

Over the last few patrols I have been wondering whether my career was broken or not as I am in Januery 1941 (started career in August 1939), 11 patrols completed and have only seen axis planes so far :06:

I will have to see if they start to appear as the war progresses.

Consider yourself lucky; earlier in the war they are more of nuisance and not very accurate/easily avoided. Bout late 42 early 43 they finally figure out how to use all the gadgets and can sink you easily; while you dive they just circle overhead waiting for you to resurface so they can hit you when you're most vulnerable.

Whenever Swordfish planes come attacking it can almost be a back handed gift; there's usually a carrier somewhere nearby that is a sitting duck if you can find her.

[Gargamel]

Over the last few patrols I have been wondering whether my career was broken or not as I am in Januery 1941 (started career in August 1939), 11 patrols completed and have only seen axis planes so far :06:

I will have to see if they start to appear as the war progresses.

Expect to see less and less as the war progresses, as the RAF takes air superiority. I started a career in 1944, from Bergen, and 4 out of 5 times, as I would pull out of the pens, a B17 raid would hit the port. So do expect to see more and more planes, just not friendly.

[Madox58]

yeah, i took your advice and started moving toward Lerwick, above scapa flow, in pursuit of the bogue carrier.All of a sudden, i CTD. Eveytime i would reload and when i got to that same grid area, CTD. I read a thread somewhere this happens in certain areas' of the sim. I also experienced this around Bergan. Eveywhere else no problems, so far.Any thoughts?Again, i'm running GWX with a mid-end machine.


I seem to recall posts about CTD's like this.
:hmmm:

I don't remember if it was a Mod enabled on top of GWX 3 that caused it,
or a Mod that fixed it.

Can you post your Mods enabled list and system specs?

Also, what SH3 are you running?
with StarForce,
with Reloaded's hack,
non-StarForce later release?

[Jimbuna]

yeah, i took your advice and started moving toward Lerwick, above scapa flow, in pursuit of the bogue carrier.All of a sudden, i CTD. Eveytime i would reload and when i got to that same grid area, CTD. I read a thread somewhere this happens in certain areas' of the sim. I also experienced this around Bergan. Eveywhere else no problems, so far.Any thoughts?Again, i'm running GWX with a mid-end machine.


"Uns hilpht kein Gott, unsere welt, zu erhalten> Amen"

Privateer is correct, it is usually down to a third party mod which is scripting a vessel into your library that already exists.

[LGN1]

IIRC, a CTD can happen if an AI sub hits a Barricade ship. It might be because of this (I think there are AI subs and Barricade ships in this area).

[jangles]

how strange, until yesterday I had done 9 patrols and only seen 1 plane - an Anson on my first patrol just off the west costs of Ireland.

I was beginning to wonder why I hadnt seen any and was reading this thread with interest.

I set out on my 10th patrol last night , it is May 1940 . Im tasked with heading to a grid just west of casablanca.

I decide to hug the coastline of holland and head towards the channel (risky , I know but i usally get thru ok).

I am spotted in calm waters by a dutch armed trawler with eagle eyesight. (I forgot at this stage than holland were allied) , I dive and evade him and continue west.

I then get a sighting of a small convoy , so I up scope and see a fiji and V&w destroyer escorting a convoy - heading right across my path , I decide to be agressive and fire two torps at each.

The fiji takes a hit towards the rear and sinks very quickly (much to the delight of the crew) , the V&W takes one hit but stays afloat and begins to open fire on my position.

I go to free camera and am aware of a sort of buzzing noise...hmm , thats strange , whats causing that , I even look arond the room to see if somethign else if causing it .

suddnely it gets much louder , the box appears to the left showing two aircraft screaming down towards my position...its the RAF! , they drop a total of four bombs which damage me badly - the destroyer finishes me off..

But I was delighted to see some aircraft at last! :)

[Jimbuna]

LOL...that'll larn ya :DL

[Axeman3d]

The first enemy I ran into after reinstalling SHIII was a lone RAF Hudson south of Iceland. I was so surprised that I didn't order a dive right away, and he flew by without dropping anything. I got my act together and dived, and as I passed 30 meters the bugger came back and bombed me. They all fell very wide of the mark though, it made me wonder how someone with eyesight that bad got to be a pilot. Since then I've seen an ME109 patrolling the French coast, and a couple of Hurricanes patrolling the Scottish coast, but that's it.

[Jimbuna]

They become more proficient...believe me.

[Madox58]

There is a key on your keyboard you need to learn.
"C"
Use it wisely!
:haha:

[Jimbuna]

There is a key on your keyboard you need to learn.
"C"
Use it wisely!
:haha:

LOL :DL

[Gargamel]

Early war (39- early 41). do the aircraft run at night? In particular, swordfish? Just got buzzed by some at dusk, and I'm running their back course at speed, trying to find the carrier. Also, what is their range (In game) from a carrier.

Jim, took yoru suggestion and opened the editor... apparently I just missed the Ark Royal crossing my path, unescorted it seems, by a couple days, but right now she's back in harbor.

[Tessa]

I keep saying that because IT IS TRUE.

Check the planes heading and run down it or better still.....pause the game, take a note of the precise time and date and open the ME to interrogate the Scr layer....you should see the carrier then.

I can vouch for Jim that it is true, have had that exact experience before. Started with 1 Swordfish attacking, then another single one comes; since Swordfish are easy to shoot down (even with the computer gunner) I decided to chalk up some planes to my tally and let the flak gunner have some fun. More Swordfish kept coming and coming, next in pairs and finally 3 at a time (this guy is a legendary flak shooter, when I finally promoted him to an officer he had 27 kills, only crewman on my boat with a RK because of that feat). With so many Swordfish around the only logical conclusion is that there's a carrier within striking distance.

Since I was on the surface the whole time and looking around I did spot the carrier about 12,000m from my position later on in the firefight. As the flot top ran out of planes I was able to get into a good firing position quickly and slam an eel under the plane elevator. Watching a BB sink is cool, watching a flat top sink is devilishly gratifying; especially when this one capsized before it finally went down.

[kapuhy]

Early war (39- early 41). do the aircraft run at night?

I've never seen them in pitch black conditions, but they often show up at late evening / early morning, when the sun is below horizon but there's still some light around.

[Gargamel]

Tessa, How are they armed? did you hit him on the surface or submerged? Would their guns cause an Uboat much problems?

[Tessa]

Early war (39- early 41). do the aircraft run at night? In particular, swordfish? Just got buzzed by some at dusk, and I'm running their back course at speed, trying to find the carrier. Also, what is their range (In game) from a carrier.

Jim, took yoru suggestion and opened the editor... apparently I just missed the Ark Royal crossing my path, unescorted it seems, by a couple days, but right now she's back in harbor.

Aircraft don't start attacking at night until 43'ish, you're safe at night until radar gets more refined and becomes standard on all ASW vehicles. Granted you usually encounter a B-17 or B-24 which nail you with saturation bombing instead of the precision strikes you get in the daytime. In the meantime you've got until sundown (general rule of thumb the sun is halfway down the horizon) that they will press the attack.

[Tessa]

Tessa, How are they armed? did you hit him on the surface or submerged? Would their guns cause an Uboat much problems?

They are armed, though in my case by the time i got into firing postion the weather had drastically changed. Visibility was poor so there was a good chance I wasn't detected at all; in the other few experiences with flat tops they do shoot back like an armed merchant ship. Since the ship was depleted of planes it wasn't able to launch more attacks on me in the morning; which I imagine would contribute to the carrier's ability to detect where you are and move accordingly.

Their guns aren't a major threat to your boat (relative to the other surface warships), flat tops can travel fast but have poor maneuverability. Long shots are easily done since they can't stop; the hull is pretty much a large rectangular shape which maneuvers horribly. It can't turn fast enough like even a BB to avoid incoming eels. Carrier's themselves are a very weak target, without their planes they don't pose much of threat.

Here's a cap of one of the really nasty sorte's:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5134/sh3img279201094235847.png

3 planes came as a squadron and my gunner nailed all 3 before they got close enough to even drop their bombs. If you look next to the event window you'll see the smoke plume from another downed plane.

By the time the last planes attacked it was getting dark and there was a drastic change in weather. It went from sunny to heavy rain that night, I wasn't able to catch up to the flat top and get into position until later the next morning. As I was travelling at flank most of the night to get ahead of it enough to get a good shot the weather got worse. Several times had to rely on my SO to make sure we were still on the right parrallel course with visibilty at times being only 1500m or so.

I fired the shot from the surface, with the bad weather and poor visibility there's a good chance he wasn't able to detect me, besides the planes the previous day it never fired another shot at me.

When I did finally get into position I sat there lying in wait for it to pass by perpendicular to me to get a perfect 90 shot, and if it missed I still had time to fire another eel at it before having to chase it down again. It was only a little over 1000m when I fired (with the visibility I can only assume he didn't detect me. If I hadn't have know there was a flat top there I wouldn't have been able to spot it with such poor visibility) my 2 torpedo salvo. One went wide and the other was right on the money, it blew up like a tanker full of aviation fuel.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7240/sh3img2492010628359.png

Watching her go down was spectacular.

http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/9711/sh3img2492010632920.png

[Gerald]

Nice Pic,:DL

[VONHARRIS]

@Tessa
Nice shooting against our nemesis : PLANES

Congratulations on sinking the carrier.

The BdU will have a Knights cross for you!

[Tessa]

@Tessa
Nice shooting against our nemesis : PLANES

Congratulations on sinking the carrier.

The BdU will have a Knights cross for you!

The flak gunner that shot those planes down is now my 1WO. Shooting down 27 planes (in highly realistic GWX, not the vanilla version) during his time as the flak gunner has yet to be matched. Besides possessing natural talent on the AA gun he was always next to the officers/senior NCO's learning how to do the other trades on a ship. After about a year he was finally salty enough that I recommended him for command of his own boat and promoted him.

Definitely came home as the conquering hero after sinking a flat top. 1st night back treated the entire crew to a nice meal at one of the best restaurants in town, and of course let them have anything they wanted to drink. After such a great patrol it was the perfect way to release all that pent up energy and pride we took in sinking the most annoying type of warship there is. For a 5-star restaurant we raised quite a rucuss, though getting top shelf liquor and beer led to the crew enjoying their meal and drinks in a way they have never been accustomed too; compared to the usual bar they were extremely well behaved by their standards.

The tab that night was quite large, not being married and a FreggatenKapitan's salary helped ease the pain of seeing so many Deutcsh Marks dissapear fom my wallet; it was worth every penny, the crew deserved it. After a month at sea a premium cut Fillet Minion meant more the them than any decoration I could have pinned on their chest and was the biggest morale booster I've ever seen. Afterwards crew memeber constantly asked me if repairs had been completed, they were all anxious to get back to sea and do what they do best.

[B.N.R.T.]

The flak gunner that shot those planes down is now my 1WO. Shooting down 27 planes (in highly realistic GWX, not the vanilla version) during his time as the flak gunner has yet to be matched. Besides possessing natural talent on the AA gun he was always next to the officers/senior NCO's learning how to do the other trades on a ship. After about a year he was finally salty enough that I recommended him for command of his own boat and promoted him.

Definitely came home as the conquering hero after sinking a flat top. 1st night back treated the entire crew to a nice meal at one of the best restaurants in town, and of course let them have anything they wanted to drink. After such a great patrol it was the perfect way to release all that pent up energy and pride we took in sinking the most annoying type of warship there is. For a 5-star restaurant we raised quite a rucuss, though getting top shelf liquor and beer led to the crew enjoying their meal and drinks in a way they have never been accustomed too; compared to the usual bar they were extremely well behaved by their standards.

The tab that night was quite large, not being married and a FreggatenKapitan's salary helped ease the pain of seeing so many Deutcsh Marks dissapear fom my wallet; it was worth every penny, the crew deserved it. After a month at sea a premium cut Fillet Minion meant more the them than any decoration I could have pinned on their chest and was the biggest morale booster I've ever seen. Afterwards crew memeber constantly asked me if repairs had been completed, they were all anxious to get back to sea and do what they do best.

Wow! Is that the new UYI* Mod? Sounds like a definite must-have.

*Use Your Imagination

[VONHARRIS]

Tessa

A very nice reward for your crew. They seem to respect you and they also look like good men.

Myself as a Kaleun , skip the restaurant part. My crew prefer Wurst und BEER (Wurst = sausage). Lots of beer!

[Jimbuna]

@Tessa...BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif






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[WH4K]

Watching a BB sink is cool, watching a flat top sink is devilishly gratifying; especially when this one capsized before it finally went down.

Holy cow. Sounds like I'm in for a treat, once I finally start sinking stuff. So far I've only done a pre-war "shakedown cruise" in a Type II. Seeing as it as still August 1939, I didn't sink anything.

I've played several sub sims over the years. SH III is the first with the very possibility of a sinking ship capsizing, except maybe Aces of the Deep. But it's been a while, and it seems like a lot of work to (maybe) get AOD running under Windows XP.

[krautjacket]

Tessa what mod are you using to make your HUD look like that?

[gazpode_l]

Over the last few patrols I have been wondering whether my career was broken or not as I am in Januery 1941 (started career in August 1939), 11 patrols completed and have only seen axis planes so far :06:

I will have to see if they start to appear as the war progresses.


up until my last patrol I hadnt seen any either. Suggest you consult some history and also bear in mind the locations that you are sailing into. I dont think u can expect to see aircraft if you are a long way from nearest allied land.

In may 1941 I am only just encountering aircraft and then my encounter was fighter bombers. (eg hurricanes).

[Tessa]

Tessa what mod are you using to make your HUD look like that?

That's the MaGui 3.4, it's easily found on the mod's section. There's also a widescreen version one too (which is what I use now, it is very well done) if you have a 16:9 monitor like most people do these days. The other mod for the character icons is: Das Boot-Besatzung v2.1-Seasnake-68. It's got the main crewmen from the movie and a few in different poses.

[krautjacket]

found the crewman one but wasn't so keen on it, but MaGui 3.4 seems to elude me... Can you link me?

[krashkart]

found the crewman one but wasn't so keen on it, but MaGui 3.4 seems to elude me... Can you link me?


http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=166320

:salute:

[the.terrabyte.pirate]

BTW if your seeing Swordfish that is a clear indicator there is a carrier nearby.

How near is "nearby"? 20km? 50km? 100km?

What sort of range are the swordfish working.

[Jimbuna]

How near is "nearby"? 20km? 50km? 100km?

What sort of range are the swordfish working.

Interrogate the data\air folder and see what their radius is.

[the.terrabyte.pirate]

Interrogate the data\air folder and see what their radius is.

I've found the range. Am I assuming that the furthest it can possibly be from the carrier is half the range, being that it needs to have sufficient fuel to return to the carrier?

I guess it's a shot in the dark. The range (if I'm reading it correctly) is well outside of sonar range. All you can do is set a path back along the path of the swordfish, and hope that when you reach the calculated range of the swordfish that the carrier hasn't moved so far away that you can't hear it on sonar.

[Jimbuna]

I've found the range. Am I assuming that the furthest it can possibly be from the carrier is half the range, being that it needs to have sufficient fuel to return to the carrier?

I guess it's a shot in the dark. The range (if I'm reading it correctly) is well outside of sonar range. All you can do is set a path back along the path of the swordfish, and hope that when you reach the calculated range of the swordfish that the carrier hasn't moved so far away that you can't hear it on sonar.

The range is how far it can travel before it has to return but I've also seen aircraft exhaust their range and plummet into the sea :doh:

Regarding setting a path along the path of the Swordfish...yes, that is the general idea.