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Capt. Morgan
12-14-10, 10:53 PM
...as far as I know no-one other than the Swedish police/prosecutors ,the UK Police ,Interpol and assanges defence team actually know what's in the arrest warrant ...
There is no arrest warrant.
...the previous charges against him were dropped, and you can't extradite someone just for an interview. ... Assange has not been charged, so how is this EAW legal? I just don't get it.
An interview is exactly why Sweden says it needs to have Assange extradited.
Is it Legal? That's what Assange's extradition hearing will determine. If the British laws are poorly written, Sweden's lawers may expose the flaws and get Assange extradited for an interview on that basis.
We often see guilty people win in the courts "on a technicality". It's just as possible for an innocent person to lose for the same reason. That's what the U.S. is hoping for.
Thunder
12-15-10, 07:21 AM
Don't know it this has been posted but i watched this last night
http://laughingsquid.com/wikirebels-a-documentary-on-wikileaks/
Interesting, much we already know but a few insights and quite current
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/349/c/5/leaking_by_humon-d34xwuj.jpg
Also:
http://www.becclesandbungayjournal.co.uk/news/ellingham_prepares_for_wikileaks_founder_1_754396
Madox58
12-15-10, 07:46 PM
I have to finally come forward.
:nope:
I was Raped at the 2008 SubSim meet!
So Jimbuna and TarJak need to be brought to the U.S.A. for questioning.
:haha:
Yea, like THAT would fly!
Umm.........
My WIFE was raped I ment!!
:-?
This is all BS.
I can see it, You can see it, everyone sees it.
But if the Gov says 'Make it so' that's what happens because nobody
forces them to follow the Laws.
I was asked when I enlisted,
something about over throughing the Gov.
Something about force.
I'm sure I was Honest at the time.
But Now I vote for nasty means.
Clean House, and anyone involved with those in Office,
and start over.
That would FU all the other Countries plans for a day or two.
DarkFish
12-15-10, 08:07 PM
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/349/c/5/leaking_by_humon-d34xwuj.jpgWhat?! Where did you find this Scandinavia And The World comic?:o:-? It's not on the SATW site! (http://satwcomic.com/)
Tribesman
12-15-10, 08:23 PM
Something is well fishy here. He's agree to an electronic tag, his passport locked down, his location locked down, daily visits to the police, and over 200k in security/bail/whatever it's called, and yet the Swedish prosecution are challenging the decision?
Even fishier now, Sweden says it isn't objecting to bail and it turns out it was the British CPS objecting to the British courts setting bail all along.
Gargamel
12-15-10, 10:26 PM
What?! Where did you find this Scandinavia And The World comic?:o:-? It's not on the SATW site! (http://satwcomic.com/)
It is....... I was just going to post it.
Skybird
12-16-10, 03:57 AM
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 19:
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
German newspaper and European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights have started an initiative against the criminalisation of Wikileaks and have published a public letter attacking the attempts of censorship of the media, and warn against no longer basing on the premise that the people have a right to control their state - not the other way around, and they warn against comanies being given the power to enforce the superiority of economic power over democratic basic principles.
It can be found for example in Der Tagesspiegel (http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/appell-gegen-die-kriminalisierung-von-wikileaks/3625742.html), but more and more newspapers as well as the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights are printing and publishing it as well.
Meanwhile, Openleaks, a clone of Wikileaks, has explained in what they want to differ fromWikileaks: total transparency, informants have thepossibility to determine all by themselves who should be the receiver of their material and Openlaks not influencing that, Open leaks serves as something like a platform of anonymous P.O. Boxes. German article (http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/openleaks-anders-enthuellen/3623210.html).
goldorak
12-16-10, 05:07 AM
Its refreshing to see such an initiative based on reason and not fear mongering.
Definitely a sign of times that the american press isn't at the front of such an initiative. How far the mighty have fallen. Films such as "The 3 days of the condor" or "All the presidents men" would be anathema in the current political climate.
It is....... I was just going to post it.
Wasn't at the time of Oberon's post. ;)
Skybird
12-16-10, 06:28 AM
Its refreshing to see such an initiative based on reason and not fear mongering.
Definitely a sign of times that the american press isn't at the front of such an initiative. How far the mighty have fallen. Films such as "The 3 days of the condor" or "All the presidents men" would be anathema in the current political climate.
It'S even more remarkable when considering that Wikileaks and similiar platforms by their mere existence somewhat illustrates the failure of classical newspaper journalism, and are a growing rival/threat to them. That'S why some newspapers seem to deny taking part in that initiative and instead fire another commentary salvo against Wikileaks' "crimes".
Example: German Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung today still has not participated, instead had a feuilleton essay accusing Wikileaks of treachery.
States have no rights to remain secret from their citizens, they have no private sphere, and must be exposed when failing by treacherous acts they commit themselves. The fourth power is failing in its necessary service to democratic state systems when it falls in line with a voluntary obedience to the demands of the state to be protected from its citizens. The state - if being serious about terms like liberty and freedom and democracy, should and must fear its citizens.
Tribesman
12-16-10, 06:55 AM
Oh dear, skybird is speaking in support of documents and organisations that he would usually condemn
DarkFish
12-16-10, 07:06 AM
Wasn't at the time of Oberon's post. ;)Exactly.
...Oberon, can you travel into the future?:o
Exactly.
...Oberon, can you travel into the future?:o
Well, there was this one time when me and a friend met a guy called Rufus...
Alternatively, it could be because I know humons Deviantart site ;)
THIS JUST IN:
Julian Assange has been granted bail.
papa_smurf
12-16-10, 09:02 AM
THIS JUST IN:
Julian Assange has been granted bail.
Yup, just heard on Radio2. Now will the Swedish goverment still pursue its extradition in the light of this:hmmm:
Yup, just heard on Radio2. Now will the Swedish goverment still pursue its extradition in the light of this:hmmm:
I'd say so. :yep: Probably a lot of money riding on it.
onelifecrisis
12-16-10, 09:24 AM
The judge said: "That is not the conduct of a person who is seeking to evade justice."
It's about time one of the judges noticed that fact.
Tribesman
12-16-10, 09:36 AM
Yup, just heard on Radio2. Now will the Swedish goverment still pursue its extradition in the light of this
The bail has nothing to do with that. It only determines if Assange is remanded on bail or remanded in custody while the extradition process continues
krashkart
12-17-10, 06:40 PM
Assange hints that Wikileaks will release the dirt on Russia's leadership sometime next year. Is he INSANE?!? :o:haha:
Interested in what they have to reveal about Bank of America. :hmmm:
onelifecrisis
12-17-10, 07:07 PM
Assange hints that Wikileaks will release the dirt on Russia's leadership sometime next year. Is he INSANE?!? :o:haha:
I wonder if next year Russia will still saying he should be given the Nobel Peace Prize? :D
Madox58
12-17-10, 07:13 PM
Probably.
But at the same time be dening they had him whacked.
:haha:
It'S even more remarkable when considering that Wikileaks and similiar platforms by their mere existence somewhat illustrates the failure of classical newspaper journalism, and are a growing rival/threat to them. That'S why some newspapers seem to deny taking part in that initiative and instead fire another commentary salvo against Wikileaks' "crimes".
Example: German Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung today still has not participated, instead had a feuilleton essay accusing Wikileaks of treachery.
States have no rights to remain secret from their citizens, they have no private sphere, and must be exposed when failing by treacherous acts they commit themselves. The fourth power is failing in its necessary service to democratic state systems when it falls in line with a voluntary obedience to the demands of the state to be protected from its citizens. The state - if being serious about terms like liberty and freedom and democracy, should and must fear its citizens.
WHAT in the world is your problem?
Assange has recieved classified information and has forwarded it to North Korea. And Iran. And Syria. And Al-Quaida.
That is partaking in espionage. End of story.
Skybird
12-18-10, 06:47 AM
The full allegations against Assange. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden)
Unseen police documents provide the first complete account of the allegations against the WikiLeaks founder.
Okay, I understand from this that Assange neither is a nice character (nobody ever denied that), nor that any crime took place. As I see it, two bitches are out for revenge, and making a little pocket money by selling themselves to the media. One of the two, as I linked in an early posting, is linked to an anti-Cuban organisation infiltrated by the CIA.
Girls, I have a simple advise for you and anyone else: don't screw around so losely just because somebody is famous or has not finished climbing on a tree when you have counted one-two-three.
Meanwhile it is reported the US is maybe constructing a deal with Manning to give him reliefs in his arrest if he would will to raise claims about Assange that Assange "ordered" him to steal material. The US seems to hope that this would enable charges over espionage, then. Some even are not disturbed enough not to demand the complete gagging of the free press if it reports more than what officials have said at official press conferences - which would turn the press into a serving propaganda tool of the establishment only. Well, we have had that in the GDR, and we still see it in states like Cuba, China, etc. Says something about some American politicians that they take these tyrannies as copyworth examples.
The genie is out of the bottle anyway, several other Wikileaks-cloned websites are open or are in preparation to get launched. Assange now is relatively unimportant, and executing any sort of example on him will not deter anyone anyway. Goivernments and organisations and companies better understand that they will not be able to hide from the people so easily anymore when they seek secrecy over their deeds.
A step for claiming back powers for the people, and against conspiracies by self-declared elites trying to evade and to erode the basic fundaments of democratic principles.
A step for claiming back powers for the people, and against
Yes yes power to the peaple qustion is which peaple.
Platapus
12-18-10, 09:13 AM
The full allegations against Assange. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden)
For those who didn't bother reading this long article, here are the Cliff Notes:
A lawyer is saying that his client is not guilty.
First time that's ever happened. Huh? :yep:
onelifecrisis
12-18-10, 10:11 AM
For those who didn't bother reading this long article, here are the Cliff Notes:
A lawyer is saying that his client is not guilty.
First time that's ever happened. Huh? :yep:
There's a little more than that actually.
"We understand that both complainants admit to having initiated consensual sexual relations with Mr Assange. They do not complain of any physical injury. The first complainant did not make a complaint for six days (in which she hosted the respondent in her flat [actually her bed] and spoke in the warmest terms about him to her friends) until she discovered he had spent the night with the other complainant.
"The second complainant, too, failed to complain for several days until she found out about the first complainant: she claimed that after several acts of consensual sexual intercourse, she fell half asleep and thinks that he ejaculated without using a condom – a possibility about which she says they joked afterwards.
"Both complainants say they did not report him to the police for prosecution but only to require him to have an STD test. However, his Swedish lawyer has been shown evidence of their text messages which indicate that they were concerned to obtain money by going to a tabloid newspaper and were motivated by other matters including a desire for revenge."
Platapus
12-18-10, 05:55 PM
Whose quotes are those?
Assange's solicitor, Mark Stephens :yep:
onelifecrisis
12-18-10, 05:57 PM
Whose quotes are those?
Assange's solicitor, Mark Stephens :yep:
But he's saying a little more than "my client is not guilty".
Skybird
12-18-10, 06:05 PM
The Bank of America has stopped all financial transaction for Wikipedia.
Considering that Wikipeaida has announced revelations about at least one American major bank for the near future, I wonder if one should take note of this cable shedding new light on Visa and Master having blocked Wikileaks earlier.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/08/wikileaks-us-russia-visa-mastercard
Visa and Mastercard seem to have seriously lobbied for the Russians not shutting off their internal transaction market to these companies and making it illegal to transmit data on national transactions to foreign nations (means: the US).
For the Russians, the dominance of Visa and Mastercard on the Russian market (85% market share), is a serious concern, for they must fear that in case of a crisis or conflict America would strike by simply shutting down the national transaction services and by that doing serious damage to the Russian economy. That's why Russia wants to establish its own credit card system in Russia, and it is a very reasonable and healthy reason. I wonder why they even made any compromise now. The russian system will be establishe from 2012, but Visa and Msastercard will still be allowed to transmit data on national transactions done by these companies to America.
I wonder if the Bank of America is is the one being hit by the Wikileaks revelations, so that it acts like it does. Considering that BoA and Visa and Mastercard have no problem with doin g service for racist organisations and other highlyx dubious customers, the reasons mentioned so far that Wikileaks'S activities violates business contracts sounds like nothing but a foul excuse.
That the US government certainly did it'S share to convince these companies to help drying up Wikileaks, I think is not needed to be explained in detail.
I personally have drawn two consequences. I have cancelled both my Visa card and my Paypal account.
Platapus
12-18-10, 06:24 PM
But he's saying a little more than "my client is not guilty".
I paraphrased. :D
Capt. Morgan
12-20-10, 06:12 PM
From the article (http://www.spamhaus.org/news.lasso?article=665)
On Monday Spamhaus became aware that the main Wikileaks website, wikileaks.org, was redirecting web traffic to a 3rd party mirror site, mirror.wikileaks.info. This new web site is hosted in a very dangerous "neighborhood", Webalta's 92.241.160.0/19 IP address space, a "blackhat" network which Spamhaus believes caters primarily to, or is under the control of, Russian cybercriminals.
In related news (http://nanozen.info/2010/12/spamhaus-under-ddos-from-anonops-wikileaks-info/) from the cyber-battlefield...
Spamhaus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamhaus) came under DDoS attack shortly after delivering its warning, and responded by accusing AnonOps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonops) of being the source. AnonOps strongly denies (http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/201051/6584/AnonOps-denies-Spamhaus-claims-of-attack) playing any part in the attack, raising speculation that this may be a classic "false flag" operation aimed at damaging both Wikileaks and AnonOps.
--30--
Welcome to the world of information warfare.
On Tuesday, 14-Dec-2010 Spamhaus has issued a statement wherein it labels wikileaks.info as "unsafe", as they consider our hosting company as a malware facilitator:
http://www.spamhaus.org/news.lasso?article=665
We find it very disturbing that Spamhaus labels a site as dangerous without even checking if there is any malware on it. We monitor the wikileaks.info site and we can guarantee that there is no malware on it. We do not know who else is hosted with Heihachi Ltd and it is none of our business. They provide reliable hosting to us. That's it.
While we are in favour of "Blacklists", be it for mail servers or web sites, they have to be compiled with care. Just listing whole IP blocks as "bad" may be quick and easy for the blacklist editors, but will harm hosters and web site users.
Wikileaks has been pulled from big hosters like Amazon. That's why we are using a "bulletproof" hoster that does not just kick a site when it gets a letter from government or a big company. Our hoster is giving home to many political sites like castor-schottern.org and should not be blocked just because they might have hosted some malware sites.
Fortunately, more responsible blacklists, like stopbadware.org (which protects the Firefox browser, for example), don't list us. We do hope that Spamhaus hasn't issued this statement due to political pressure.
Wikileaks.info will always be safe and clean. Promised:
Google Safe Browsing Check for wikileaks.info
Update (15-Dec-2010 17:00 PM GMT): Spamhaus has updated their statement to say that they don't blacklist us.
Update 2 (20-Dec-2010 8:00 AM GMT): In another statement update on 18-Dec-2010, Spamhaus states that they have been DDOSed by Anonops and they link us to Anonops. Spamhaus is wrong there again, we are in now way linked to Anonops. A day later (19-Dec-2010), Spamhaus corrects itself by now saying that Anonops was not DDOSing them. They now think it was Heihachi Ltd. (which is our hosting provider). We don't know if that is true or not, but Spamhaus seems to be very fast at pointing at somebody without proof. Bottomline: We are a group that supports Wikileaks with no connection to cybercriminals.
The wikileaks.info Team
http://wikileaks.info/press/spamhaus-false-allegations-against-wikileaks.html
;)
Capt. Morgan
12-20-10, 11:04 PM
http://wikileaks.info/press/spamhaus-false-allegations-against-wikileaks.html
;)
Thanks,
My first reaction to your post was that this defense of wikileaks.info came from Wikileaks.info, and so was equally suspect. However, having just visited wikileaks.info, I found that they have prominent links to several well-known and authentic mirrors of the original wikileaks site.
Possibly wikileaks greatest enemies may be among its friends.
VipertheSniper
12-21-10, 03:48 AM
One of the two, as I linked in an early posting, is linked to an anti-Cuban organisation infiltrated by the CIA.
Sorry but that connection is a bit far fetched
See here: http://rpzine.de/2010/12/das-cia-geruecht-im-infokrieg-julian-assanges-falsche-freunde/
TLAM Strike
12-21-10, 12:11 PM
The Bank of America has stopped all financial transaction for Wikipedia.
Wikileaks not Wikipedia. Those two come up linked quite a bit but are not in anyway related in development or organization.
All they share is the Wiki name.
:up:
Capt. Morgan
12-24-10, 02:29 AM
The storey continues,
The Bank of America has recently been buying up disparaging domain names (http://www.finextra.com/news/fullstory.aspx?newsitemid=22124) , like bank-of-america-blows.com, apparently in preparation for the upcoming bank-leaks next month.
It would appear that they have something to hide.
On the Canadian front, the U.S.A. was upset at our lenient trade policies towards Cuba. Who would have guessed?
krashkart
12-24-10, 03:18 AM
The storey continues,
The Bank of America has recently been buying up disparaging domain names (http://www.finextra.com/news/fullstory.aspx?newsitemid=22124) , like bank-of-america-blows.com, apparently in preparation for the upcoming bank-leaks next month.
It would appear that they have something to hide.
I'm very interested to see what 'leaks has on them.
On the Canadian front, the U.S.A. was upset at our lenient trade policies towards Cuba. Who would have guessed?
Our tax dollars hard at work, I see. :rotfl2::-?
Curiouser and curiouser: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/the-truth-lies-trapped-in-a-web-of-intrigue-20101223-196mv.html
Capt. Morgan
12-24-10, 12:54 PM
Curiouser and curiouser: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/the-truth-lies-trapped-in-a-web-of-intrigue-20101223-196mv.html
Thanks for the link, that's one of the clearest looks through the all murk of Assange's current situation - plus we now all know that he enjoys crayfish parties.
I would imagine that Wikileaks will avoid releasing anything embarrassing to government of Great Britain for the next little while.
Bergstrom's involvement certainly seems to be politically motivated. It will be interesting to see whether the Swedish prosecutors actually proceed with the charges or whether the questioning and investigation will see them dropped once again.
I think the deleted tweets and blogs a quite telling though in terms of the clumsy attempt to clean up evidence. Surely they know you can't erase anything from the internet once it's in the public domain.
Capt. Morgan
12-25-10, 04:44 AM
:woot:Merry Christmas BTW :woot:
The point that jumped out at me was that the first warrant for his arrest on rape was issued only 15 min. into the initial interview with the two women - who at that time had only wanted to compel Assange to be tested for STD's. I guess it's no surprise that no effort, fair or foul, will be spared to punish him.
I'm hoping that Assange's extradition fails, because it seems that Swedens laws around sexual behavior are quite ill-defined at this time. That warrant had 3 charges for something that is best translated as "unfreedom"
Regardless of his fate, it looks like the cables will be released successfully. If fame was Assange's prime motivation, he has certainly achieved it.
I'm very interested to see what 'leaks has on them...
Me too. From my perspective as an outsider, it amazes me that the American government takes all the flak for the current economic collapse while the banks skate away unscathed - at least that's how it reads in the papers up here in the Great White North.
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (among others) is reporting (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/12/23/norwegian-paper-wikileaks-cables.html) that the full 250,00 cable package is now in the hands of a sixth news paper, Norway's Aftenposten (http://www.aftenposten.no/); "a development sure to heighten U.S. government fears that the public release of some uncensored diplomatic cables could endanger informants' lives". :roll:
darius359au
12-26-10, 01:22 AM
At least it's nice to know it's all about getting the truth out and not the money...oh wait http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/8565959/assange-signs-a1-5m-book-deal/
Platapus
12-26-10, 09:28 AM
Follow the money :yep:
Jimbuna
12-26-10, 01:49 PM
The plot has a lot of thickening to go through yet I reckon :hmmm:
onelifecrisis
12-26-10, 10:01 PM
I would imagine that Wikileaks will avoid releasing anything embarrassing to government of Great Britain for the next little while.
So they wouldn't release anything like this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/21/wikileaks-cables-british-police-bangladesh-death-squad) then.
Blood_splat
12-27-10, 12:56 PM
http://onefaceinamillion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/wikileaks.jpg
Anon gets its own DDOS:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12090245
Web wars! :rock:
Always interesting to other news angles, but unfortunately, old news, but thanks for posted, :salute:
Capt. Morgan
12-29-10, 01:54 PM
So they wouldn't release anything like this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/21/wikileaks-cables-british-police-bangladesh-death-squad) then.
Well, I guess it must be true that some people in Wikileaks really don't like Julian.
Jimbuna
12-29-10, 04:34 PM
Anon gets its own DDOS:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12090245
Web wars! :rock:
Always interesting to other news angles, but unfortunately, old news, but thanks for posted, :salute:
The words pot, kettle and black spring to mind :DL
XabbaRus
12-29-10, 05:03 PM
I'm still waiting for the guy to have an accident.
Saying that I don't like the guy and I'm really not sure what his motives are, but I wouldn't wish him dead. Of course the whole uproar could be his protection.
I'm still waiting for the guy to have an accident.
Saying that I don't like the guy and I'm really not sure what his motives are, but I wouldn't wish him dead. Of course the whole uproar could be his protection. He get harder for every Day, so much is a pure matter of time..
Jimbuna
12-30-10, 07:51 PM
He get harder for every Day, so much is a pure matter of time..
:hmmm:
Blood_splat
12-30-10, 08:01 PM
Hehe:O:
Pingas.
http://www.blackwolf-images.com/images/dic/sonic/robotnik_106-198-r13.jpg
Skybird
01-08-11, 07:52 AM
Now it becomes a demonstration why you should not trust computer-supported so-called social networks: it is an unneeded, easy to abuse exposure of your private data and intimiate sphere.
Like in case of governments, amongst them that of Saudi Arabaia and America, demanding Blackberry to weaken its security protocolls so that governments can overhear the data transmissions done with them, a US court has ordered Twitter to reveal all data on persons that the US knows or just claims to be associated with the Wikileaks affair. The court also ruled it's decision to be kept secret - which meant that the effected people would not have learned about being spied out if Twitter apparently would not have fought back and won a legal battle so that now they were allowed to send emails to these peopel telling them that on the 17th January their private data on their Twitter accounts will be handed over to the US authorities.
Like the submissive obedience of Amazon, Visa and Paypal to US government pressure, this shows that the "independence" of the "free" internet is just an illusion, even more since practically all global key servers (or how are they called?) are located in the US. The SWIFT protocol also is such a case - every bank transaction even just inside Europe, gets indicated to US authorities with information on sending and receiving banking accounts. So much for sovereignity of non-US states. I wonder why the US could claim the even legalised freedom to sniff in my personal banking businesses - I am living in a foreign country and I am not even a US citizen, not even a suspect. But I know that already plenty of such data about me are stored in US intel databases - legally. TheEurpopeans have given the Americans rights and freedoms that the European nations either do not even have themselves inside their own countries, or not to such a far-leading degree! I assume that quite some Euro goivenrments like the arrangement - they can maybe participate in the benefits from such data tracking while not needing to fight the legal b attles to chnage national laws. Talking about underhanded behaviour by Euro governments.
I personally have drawn a consequence in so far as that I have cancelled my vasall Paypal membership and vasall Visa card after they kicked Wikileaks. No big loss anyway - I managed to live the better part of my life without their services.
Anyhow, here is the story according to German edition of Der Spiegel:
Comments:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20027893-281.html
http://rop.gonggri.jp/?p=442
Original court documents:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/07/twitter/subpoena.pdf
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/07/twitter/Twitter_Unsealing_Order.pdf
In the end, he will be extradited to U.S.A
Skybird
01-08-11, 08:04 AM
In the end, he will be extradited to U.S.A
Which would make him a martyr, damaging US reputation over this even more. This is not about crime and justice, this is about simple revenge, and political business trying to stay hidden in the mist and getting away with its failures, lobby-decisions, scandals and crimes.
Skybird
01-08-11, 08:18 AM
Wikileaks assumes - I think correctly - that Google and Facebook also have received secret subpeonas - without resisting like Twitter.
http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/23611515697364992
Tribesman
01-08-11, 08:34 AM
In the end, he will be extradited to U.S.A
On what charge?
Besides which, given the amout of crap there has been in the press and some muppets in the political establishment calling for his murder then no country can extradite him to the US as all their silly noise over the matter has prejudiced his ability to recieve a fair trial.
DarkFish
01-08-11, 08:44 AM
Like in case of governments, amongst them that of Saudi Arabaia and America, demanding Blackberry to weaken its security protocolls so that governments can overhear the data transmissions done with them, a US court has ordered Twitter to reveal all data on persons that the US knows or just claims to be associated with the Wikileaks affair. The court also ruled it's decision to be kept secret - which meant that the effected people would not have learned about being spied out if Twitter apparently would not have fought back and won a legal battle so that now they were allowed to send emails to these peopel telling them that on the 17th January their private data on their Twitter accounts will be handed over to the US authorities.Wikileaks assumes - I think correctly - that Google and Facebook also have received secret subpeonas - without resisting like Twitter.
http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/23611515697364992Goodbye freedom.
Hello Big Brother USA:cry:
I have never in my live trusted American politics/politicians, but this is the first time I see them as a real danger we'd be much better off without.
I had an opinion, as I think about this whole story, and its tours, there are things that never come to light, and so later when it has taken hold as the situation becomes more complex one where it is today
I have never in my live trusted American politics/politicians, but this is the first time I see them as a real danger we'd be much better off without.
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This is getting a bit beyond a joke now, and it's telling how willingly personal data is handed over when the right person asks for it...
Skybird
01-08-11, 09:41 AM
a real danger we'd be much better off without.
I would not describe it that strictly. The US is constantly balancing between
- "freedom" and "security",
- and between what it claims and was meant to be by its founding myths,
and what it actually is in reality.
The difference between the latter often gets refused by America, and the balance regarding the first got lost after 9-11.
There is also a huge difference between the "altruistic global model" that America claims to be when serving the global needs, and the reality of often brutal egoism that it actually is driven by. After all, states are the coldest of all monsters (Nietzsche). And I never believed in the idea of "friendship" between nations. There never was one, and there never will be something like that - just interests that are shared for a temporary time.
I think that more and more often we will see in the future the former superpower hitting blindly at all directions while it realises that its former economic, financial and military dominance is waning. After all, it is an empire in decline. That decline will not take just some months or years, but another 10, 20 years or maybe more. But the culmination point definitely lays long behind.
DarkFish
01-08-11, 10:37 AM
I would not describe it that strictly. The US is constantly balancing between
- "freedom" and "security",
- and between what it claims and was meant to be by its founding myths,
and what it actually is in reality.
The difference between the latter often gets refused by America, and the balance regarding the first got lost after 9-11. But if Big Brother the Government can demand personal info about basically everyone based on a personal grudge against one certain foreigner, it's gone much too close to Stalinist USSR.
The problem is, I don't know if the alternatives for a "world leading nation" are much better. Putin? China? No thanks. EU? Hasn't got enough power.
Jimbuna
01-08-11, 04:26 PM
On what charge?
Besides which, given the amout of crap there has been in the press and some muppets in the political establishment calling for his murder then no country can extradite him to the US as all their silly noise over the matter has prejudiced his ability to recieve a fair trial.
Good point....I wouldn't want to be extradited to the US if I were him.
Skybird
01-20-11, 07:31 AM
Latest Wikileaks news:
Cables reveal that Israel considers Turkey to be lost a lost "partner" for the West, and American diplomats agree, saying that Erdoghan hates Israel with all his will and dreams of a neoi-ottoman dominance in Europe and in the region. A further dramatic radicalisation of Islam in Turkey is expected by both. Turkey, having aligned with Iran recently, more or less openly supports the Hamas (an Iranian proxy) and raises fundings for it.
The Palestinian government is totally pissed by the Turks. (!!!)
link (http://www.welt.de/politik/specials/wikileaks/article12253864/Israel-haelt-die-Tuerkei-fuer-verloren-fuer-den-Westen.html)
America estimates the damage from Wikileaks as a nuisance, and to be embarassing, but not as threatening or really damaging. Nevertheless it planned to exaggerate the "threat" in public in order to form as tough as possible a front against Wikileaks.
No harm no foul (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/u-s-officials-reportedly-said-wikileaks-revelations-were-not-damaging/?scp=3&sq=Wikileaks&st=cse)
danlisa
01-20-11, 07:34 AM
Nevertheless it planned to exaggerate the "threat" in public.
No harm no foul (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/u-s-officials-reportedly-said-wikileaks-revelations-were-not-damaging/?scp=3&sq=Wikileaks&st=cse)
I've never heard of them doing that before, how strange.:har:
Skybird
01-20-11, 08:30 AM
I've never heard of them doing that before, how strange.:har:Yes, it is a big surporise, isn't it. :D I didn'T mean it serious when I reasoned that they would do like this some months ago, in this or another thread. I was just kidding. :haha:
The thing I find strange is that they have no problem call him the nearest thing to Osama Bin Laden, whom they would simply pick up and short or take to Guano Bay and yet they still haven't gotten a legal case together that they know will stick, otherwise they would have asked the UK to hand him over months ago.
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