Obama: spineless

[Torvald Von Mansee]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TAX_CUTS?SITE=NYONI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

As all you right wingers on this site make over a million a year, I'm sure, I'll bet you're overjoyed!!!

[the_tyrant]

SSDD:yep:

[mookiemookie]

Republicans voted to raise your taxes at the end of 2010. George W. Bush signed that into law. That's a fact. That's history. So now these are known as the Obama tax cuts.

Or they would be if his handlers knew jack about marketing political messages.

[The Third Man]

Are you kidding? Is the left coming to terms with Barack Obama?

is that not racizt?

[Ducimus]

I was wondering why he nuckled under when i saw the news, then i read this:

Referring to the bitter wrangling over the issue, Mr Obama said he would not "let working families become collateral damage for political warfare".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11933043

That's a reasonable explanation i suppose. TeamR got TeamD backed into a corner with no way out except to either pass schit, or let everything suffer because of TeamR being obtuse. Which of course, team D will get the blame for, regardless. So, there you have it. In the world of politcs, all you have to do is hold your breath, and pout like a 5 year old tell you get what you want. :har:

[The Third Man]

Republicans voted to raise your taxes at the end of 2010. George W. Bush signed that into law. That's a fact. That's history. So now these are known as the Obama tax cuts.

Or they would be if his handlers knew jack about marketing political messages.

Crazy is just that.

[Platapus]

Politics is all about compromise. No one ever gets 100% of what they want. :yep:. There are always trade-offs. :yep:

Obama got an extension to the unemployment that he wanted and compromised to a 2 year extension to the tax cuts instead of a permanent change.

Politics is the art of the possible. - Otto Von Bismark, 1867

(http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Otto_Von_Bismarck/)

[Takeda Shingen]

I would not want to be President Obama. If he does not compromise with Team R, he is a socialist idealogue. If he does compromise with Team R, he is a spineless POS. Talk about having the deck stacked against you.

[The Third Man]

I would not want to be President Obama. If he does not compromise with Team R, he is a socialist idealogue. If he does compromise with Team R, he is a spineless POS. Talk about having the deck stacked against you.

You can alawys blame it on the neo=Cons who were 1960s liberals who disavowed Manson like violence.

[Platapus]

I would not want to be President Obama. If he does not compromise with Team R, he is a socialist idealogue. If he does compromise with Team R, he is a spineless POS. Talk about having the deck stacked against you.


Sucks to be president.

To be President of the United States is to act as advocate for a blind, venomous, and ungrateful client... - John Updike

[Takeda Shingen]

You can alawys blame it on the neo=Cons who were 1960s liberals who disavowed Manson like violence.

No, it is clearly a secret muslim conspiracy. Duh. Maybe the 'missile' had something to do with it. Did anyone check the Grassy Knoll?

[mookiemookie]

I would not want to be President Obama. If he does not compromise with Team R, he is a socialist idealogue. If he does compromise with Team R, he is a spineless POS. Talk about having the deck stacked against you.

A while back, I was at a business luncheon with some clients of one of my bosses. They were fairly unsophisticated and very very East Texas...we were having pleasant conversation until one of them started on on the then-newly elected Scott Brown and how it was a great triumph. She followed that up by saying that any Republican who didn't vote with the rest of them should be kicked out of the party.

Your comment was what I said, as it was the most non-partisan and innocuous way I could steer the conversation someplace else, before I pointed out what and idiot she was. I remember saying something like "You know, I wouldn't be president for all the money in the world. You can never please anyone - be it the other side or your own base. There's a good reason they age so fast." It worked.

No real point to that story. That comment just reminded me of it.

[Takeda Shingen]

Ugh. They brought up politics on a business lunch? Not a very smart way to do business.

[mookiemookie]

Ugh. They brought up politics on a business lunch? Not a very smart way to do business.

Exactly my "goldurn elitist Northeastern librul commie" thoughts, but they were local school board members in deep east Texas, so that sort of thing is just par for the course here.

[Takeda Shingen]

Exactly my "goldurn elitist Northeastern librul commie" thoughts, but they were local school board members in deep east Texas, so that sort of thing is just par for the course here.

Ah, so they concluded the lunch with a prayer.

[mookiemookie]

Ah, so they concluded the lunch with a prayer.

LOL!

Actually, they started it with one. No joke. They did an invocation.

[Takeda Shingen]

Lord, we ask your benevolent guidance so that we may not say anything irreparably offensive to our potential business partners over the course of the next 45 minutes.

That is ridiculous. The last two things I would talk about on a business lunch are politics or religion, let alone politics and religion.

[mookiemookie]

That is ridiculous. The last two things I would talk about on a business lunch are politics or religion, let alone politics and religion.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OoNty2lrzv8/RgHwKRt9p5I/AAAAAAAAAMs/IGuVwgxD_-o/s320/dont+mess+with+texas.jpg


And they mean it. You pick your battles here. If there's an invocation at a school board meeting, you don't say anything, you just bow your head and mumble an "Amen" even if you're an agnostic heathen such as myself. ;)

[August]

Ah sweet, sweet liberal tears! :DL

Seriously what are you guys complaining about? You won another 13 months of unemployment benefits, extended the child tax and tuition credits and cut taxes. If nothing else that will make some pretty good sound bites come 2012.

[Takeda Shingen]

And they mean it. You pick your battles here. If there's an invocation at a school board meeting, you don't say anything, you just bow your head and mumble an "Amen" even if you're an agnostic heathen such as myself. ;)

I'm a believer. My wife, child and I go to our cozy little traditional Lutheran church every Sunday. I play the organ, direct the adult choir (who actually sound pretty good for a bunch of hacks) and even cook for Summer Bible Camp every year. But what you are describing sounds too close to state-enforced religion for my comfort. A public schoolboard meeting is not a religious service. :down:

[mookiemookie]

I'm a believer. My wife, child and I go to our cozy little traditional Lutheran church every Sunday. I play the organ, direct the adult choir (who actually sound pretty good for a bunch of hacks) and even cook for Summer Bible Camp every year. But what you are describing sounds too close to state-enforced religion for my comfort. A public schoolboard meeting is not a religious service. :down:

I agree. I've been to many church functions with friends, been to many church services on my own, heck even went to Catholic high school....but you're right, a school board meeting is not the place for an invocation. But in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't hurt anything. I wish it weren't so, but there's bigger battles to fight.

[GoldenRivet]

Obama announced agreement with Republicans Monday night on a plan to extend expiring income tax cuts for all Americans, renew jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed and grant a one-year reduction in Social Security taxes.millionaire status not a requirement for participation.

i see TVM is STILL blind. or perhaps just unable to see the letter "A" followed by two "L"s


:nope:

Whats the matter TVM? You dont want them to give you a tax cut?

[Bubblehead1980]

lol so fun watching the Lefties heads spin over this. Sad thing is unemployment will be extended but won't be paid for, so more debt added.I suppose will have to excuse this one compromise since it's in lame duck.Round 1 goes to the Republicans.Let's hope they pull out Round 2, which will be the DREAM Act.Must stop this amnesty attempt.


BTW:Democrats try to claim to be the party in favor of what's fair? Nothing more fair than lettting EVERYONE keep their tax break.

[nikimcbee]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OoNty2lrzv8/RgHwKRt9p5I/AAAAAAAAAMs/IGuVwgxD_-o/s320/dont+mess+with+texas.jpg


And they mean it. You pick your battles here. If there's an invocation at a school board meeting, you don't say anything, you just bow your head and mumble an "Amen" even if you're an agnostic heathen such as myself. ;)

Ha, mookie, you need to move to ore-gone. You'd be in political heaven. It's one party rule here.

[Growler]

I'm starting a new party.

We're not the Tea Party, or the Coffee party.

We're the Keg Party. We're for people who are tired of the useless words of the political machine and are instead for the betterment of the entire nation through Beer.

Our agenda: Improve domestic beer quality to the levels of good European beers, and thus regain stature and credibility for America on the world stage. Meanwhile, the national debt will improve as American beers, fueled by American ingenuity and know-how, gain acceptance and become a desired commodity in leading hospitality establishments the world over. Peace through superior hops. Opposition party leaders will be known as "Beer Hall Putz" our national fraternity will be "I Tappa Keg" and our national slogan will be, "I'd tap that!"

Currently, our party consists of myself, financial officer Bea Sotted, publicist N.E. Briated, and legal team Stan & Ken Dronk. New members are welcome, just bring the beer and let's get this party started!

[The Third Man]

Obama hurt himself, he hurt his party, he hurt the poor, he hurt blacks, he hurt queers, he hurt jews, he hurt business, he hurt you and me.

[Ducimus]

Obama hurt himself, he hurt his party, he hurt the poor, he hurt blacks, he hurt queers, he hurt jews, he hurt business, he hurt you and me.

http://static.lfgss.com/attachments/7338d1237810776-rabid-20dog.jpg

[yubba]

Yubba like keg party, no like lefty radical liberal Dems. What's wrong about being a right wing nut job, took oath to protect constitution, from all enemies foreign and domestic. There is alot of talk in DC, about how much money they are losing because of the current tax rates, they sure haven't done nothing to earn it, but too waste it. Now there is talk of giving 1% GDP to the UN for climate change.:down:

[AVGWarhawk]

There is alot of talk in DC, about how much money they are losing because of the current tax rates, they sure haven't done nothing to earn it, but too waste it. Now there is talk of giving 1% GDP to the UN for climate change


I have to agree along these lines. Millions are spent daily concerning foreign affairs with little to no return. The blue collar worker gets to pay for it all. Make sense to you?

[Blood_splat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELfiVTTb5Jw :haha:

[GoldenRivet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELfiVTTb5Jw :haha:

sort of like the comment says

"Reminds me of the NAZI, anti-Jewish propaganda"

and the dems say republicans apply labels to people :shifty:

[Ducimus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELfiVTTb5Jw :haha:

That's pretty funny! It's a real smack to republicans, but there is a degree of truth there. :haha: I used to be a combination of Mr Numbnuts, and a Neocon. Later i turned into a Mr Moderate when i started thinking about things more. It didn't help being raised in a household where the word Democrat was a shorthand way of saying, "bleeding heart liberal hippie commie faggot". So i never really thought for myself growing up, i just swallowed the schitt i was feed. And no, i'm not a democrat, but i am not a republican anymore either.

[Platapus]

and the dems say republicans apply labels to people :shifty:


Well, some Republicans do, don't' they?

There is immaturity and child-like emotions on both sides. :yep:

[Krauter]

Watching Politics is like listening to Elementary School Girls fighting..

"She said this"

"No I didn't, you're [insert insult] and a liar!"

"No you"

[Platapus]

Watching Politics is like listening to Elementary School Girls fighting..

"She said this"

"No I didn't, you're [insert insult] and a liar!"

"No you"

you left out "but you did it first!"

Yeah, like watching kids. :nope:

[Krauter]

It'd be actually quite entertaining if it wasn't so sad

[Morts]

It'd be actually quite entertaining if it wasn't so sad
and if they didnt make decisions on our behalf

[Platapus]

And if it did not cost us so much money..... or lives.

[Sailor Steve]

Well, some Republicans do, don't' they?

There is immaturity and child-like emotions on both sides. :yep:
Of course they do. But here we have a case of one side accusing the other side of name-calling, while pretending they don't do it themselves. Whichever party is in power always plays that game.

[Platapus]

Of course they do. But here we have a case of one side accusing the other side of name-calling, while pretending they don't do it themselves. Whichever party is in power always plays that game.

Where are they pretending that they don't do it themselves?

[Sailor Steve]

Where are they pretending that they don't do it themselves?
Tacit acceptance. Side D calls side R names. When side R calls side D names, side D screams "name-calling!" Accusing someone of doing something implies you don't do it yourself. It works for both sides.

[Platapus]

Tacit acceptance. Side D calls side R names. When side R calls side D names, side D screams "name-calling!" Accusing someone of doing something implies you don't do it yourself. It works for both sides.

Sorry, your inference is not logical.

Accusing someone of doing something does not mean that you are claiming you don't do it. The two really don't have any causality relationship (or even much of a correlation relationship). An accusation, itself, does not reduce any uncertainty in the hypothesis that the accuser is equally guilty of the same action being accused.

Accusing someone of "A" may or may not indicate that you are also doing "A". The accusation does not influence the hypothesis. Without other information, it is simply unknown.

Politics is full of examples of people accusing others while doing the same thing themselves. The logical term is Tu quoque fallacy.

But you have the right to your inferences. But an inference is not a fact. However you have not demonstrated that any politician (from either side) has ever "pretend[ed] they don't do it themselves." which was the question I had for your post.

If you can find such a citation, I will gladly recognize your inference as being valid and humbly admit I was wrong. I do not claim to be all-knowing about every single quote from a politician. :nope:

[Growler]

Plat, the party in power doesn't always need to resort to name calling, since they're in power. That's my interpretation of Steve's remarks, anyway.

The Dems screamed like scalded cats when Bush II was in power, just like the Republicans did when Clinton I was in power. You didn't hear much from the other side because it was in power and didn't need to yell to make changes.

[Platapus]

You didn't hear much from the other side because it was in power and didn't need to yell to make changes.

I disagree. During the Bush Administration there was name calling from both sides. I remember name calling from both sides during the Clinton Administration.

In reading my political history books, there was name calling even in Washington's time.

I don't see any correlation between name calling and which party is the majority.

[Growler]

Oh, I'm not saying it wasn't there; I was only providing my interpretation of Steve's comments.

In my experience, the party in power tends to make less noise than the one that isn't; wait four-to-eight years for the power to shift, and notice that, during that time, as one side wanes, they get louder as they get weaker. It's cyclic. The Dems are falling out of favor, so they're making more noise.

It wasn't Democrats that made Rush Limbaugh popular in the Clinton 90's, just like it wasn't Republicans that did the same for Olbermann in the Bush 00's.

[Sailor Steve]

Sorry, your inference is not logical.

Accusing someone of doing something does not mean that you are claiming you don't do it.
I think it is. Of course I was influenced by my older daughter. When she was four or so we used to babysit the children of friends. One day when we had several over I noticed that Bethany and her friend JK were sitting on the couch throwing little rubber balls at the opposite wall. I told them at least once to stop, and when I saw them doing it again I went into the living room. JK had just thrown his ball, and he froze in apparent terror. Bethany quickly dropped hers and said "JK was throwing balls inside."

I let him off with a warning, but made her sit in the corner for awhile, then tried to explain to her that tacitly lying is still lying. Accusing him of doing it was implying that she didn't, which of course was a lie couched in the truth.

That's how I see this. When GR said "and the dems say republicans apply labels to people :shifty: ", it was with the same idea. If I accuse you of doing something wrong, and I do it myself, I'm either trying to divert attention away from myself or trying to convince people that you are the bad guy and I'm the hero, who never does anything wrong.

But of course that's my perception, and I'm hardly an authority on these things.

[August]

Both sides engage in name calling.

It just seems lopsided at times because the side that is presently in power doesn't have as much opportunity to criticize their opponent and when they do it can easily sound hypocritical.

[Aramike]

Republicans voted to raise your taxes at the end of 2010. George W. Bush signed that into law. That's a fact. That's history. So now these are known as the Obama tax cuts.

Or they would be if his handlers knew jack about marketing political messages.This, my friends, is known as "spin".

[mookiemookie]

This, my friends, is known as "spin".

Yep it is. You've stated the blatantly obvious. I was giving an example of how this could be used for political spin. I even said that in my post.

[Blood_splat]

That's pretty funny! It's a real smack to republicans, but there is a degree of truth there. :haha: I used to be a combination of Mr Numbnuts, and a Neocon. Later i turned into a Mr Moderate when i started thinking about things more. It didn't help being raised in a household where the word Democrat was a shorthand way of saying, "bleeding heart liberal hippie commie faggot". So i never really thought for myself growing up, i just swallowed the schitt i was feed. And no, i'm not a democrat, but i am not a republican anymore either.

I feel the same way.

[Aramike]

Yep it is. You've stated the blatantly obvious. I was giving an example of how this could be used for political spin. I even said that in my post.Relax, Grasshopper. I just thought it was funny.

[mookiemookie]

Relax, Grasshopper. I just thought it was funny.

:O: They need to hire me as a Washington spinmeister.

[Bubblehead1980]

That's pretty funny! It's a real smack to republicans, but there is a degree of truth there. :haha: I used to be a combination of Mr Numbnuts, and a Neocon. Later i turned into a Mr Moderate when i started thinking about things more. It didn't help being raised in a household where the word Democrat was a shorthand way of saying, "bleeding heart liberal hippie commie faggot". So i never really thought for myself growing up, i just swallowed the schitt i was feed. And no, i'm not a democrat, but i am not a republican anymore either.



"bleeding heart liberal hippie commie faggot" Yea that describes most Dems to the letter:har: Funny video though, someone should do one on the Dem party.