Anybody can interpret dream? and what did you dream today?

[Castout]

Ok if anybody can help me
I had this dream today.


I was in a sort of old stadium made with rocks with a lot of other people which I think I’m familiar with. There were more than 20 or 30 of us and perhaps they are members of my church but I'm not sure.


Then we began to spot eagles flying past the stadium. I saw quite a number of them, mostly quite big and with wide wings flying over. As each passed I celebrated and rejoiced at the sight. All of them were golden eagles(dark brown in colors). One flew with shredded pieces of cloth still attached to its feather



Then I remember patting one in my hands for a very short time but when I looked at some other people what they got in their hands was not eagles but chickens.


I also saw three eagles who were sitting side by side on the ground and becoming fat and ugly because they wouldn’t want to fly and stayed in the stadium instead. Nobody was holding them though they didn’t appear to belong to anybody and that was the last thing I saw in my dream.


I don’t believe every dream has a meaning but if this one has one and you think you have the wisdom of interpreting pls do tell me. Thanks.:D

Serious or otherwise LOL

[GoldenRivet]

According to dream moods dictionary at http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/ (http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/e.html)

STADIUM

To see or dream that you are in a stadium, represents your determination to succeed and achieve your goals. You need to be more active, aggressive, and bold.EAGLES

To see an eagle in your dream, symbolizes nobility, pride, fierceness, freedom, superiority, courage, and powerful intellectual ability. It also represents self-renewal and your connection with your spirituality. You will struggle fiercely and courageously to realize your highest ambitions and greatest desires.CHICKENS

To see chickens in your dream, symbolize cowardliness and a lack of willpower. The dream may be a pun on being a chicken or chickening out of some situation. Chickens also represent excessive chatter and gossip. Listen closely to what people may be saying about you or what you are saying about others.Im no professional, but i do believe that dreams do have a purspose.. even when they dont seem to.

in the context of your dream, it appears that you hold yourself superior to certain individuals that you know or are social with.

the stadium, and eagles in your dreams represent your desire to be successful, and your need to be aggressive and assertive to achieve those goals.

that the eagles were "gold" tells you that your highest ambitions and desire is for wealth through the achievement of your goal.

inferiority in those you are close to or know in a social environment is suggested by the fact that your subconscious mind gave them chickens - a universal symbol of cowardice and inferiority - when you received eagles of gold.

EDIT:

for further inwardly focused learning i direct you to visit the site here http://www.colorquiz.com/ and spend a few minutes following the directions closely.

you might be amazed at the accuracy of a color test

[Castout]

Umm that's kind of quite correct actually :o

Umm the eagles weren't golden in colors they are dark brown or brown. But they are called golden eagles in real life.

[GoldenRivet]

the eagles weren't golden in colors they are dark brown or brown. But they are called golden eagles in real life.

i see :hmmm:

[GoldenRivet]

I might further suggest that the three eagles in the stadium who were growing fat and ugly - represent three people you know well.

these three people indicate that they too have lofty goals and a desire to succeed, but in your waking life - their actions have indicated to you that while they SAY they have a desire to go further and succeed - they are in fact quite contented with their current position and have no REAL intent to go further in life, and it disgusts you.

the question is, what three people do you know in that position?




again, im no specialist.

[Castout]

for further inwardly focused learning i direct you to visit the site here http://www.colorquiz.com/ and spend a few minutes following the directions closely.

you might be amazed at the accuracy of a color test

:o Scarily accurate actually :yep:

[Castout]

I might further suggest that the three eagles in the stadium who were growing fat and ugly - represent three people you know well.

these three people indicate that they too have lofty goals and a desire to succeed, but in your waking life - their actions have indicated to you that while they SAY they have a desire to go further and succeed - they are in fact quite contented with their current position and have no REAL intent to go further in life, and it disgusts you.

the question is, what three people do you know in that position?




again, im no specialist.


Honestly I don't know who those three people might be . . .I really don't

[GoldenRivet]

Honestly I don't know who those three people might be . . .I really don't

3 dreams you've abandoned?:hmmm:

[Castout]

3 dreams you've abandoned?:hmmm:

I don't think they would be it. Perhaps they refer to time a 3 years time before I could reach those lofty ambitions :O:. I really don't know. As long as they are not prophetic they are merely an insight to my psyche I guess. And I don't think they are prophetic either.

I really do feel some people from my parish are really not an ideal practicing Christian. They are more afraid of powerful people than God thus the chicken would make sense.

That color quiz is quite amazing.


Your Existing Situation

Authoritative or in a position of power or leadership. Feels that current difficulties are causing problems and he is unable to progress further. Determined and commanding he strives for his goals despite the obstacles he faces.

Your Stress Sources

"Not a team player and is unwilling to be involved in most activities. In the past he was over involved and now emotionally drained. Due to his fear of over involvement, he now chooses to remain uninvolved with the activities around him. "


Well at least the second part. . .:DL

[CCIP]

Wow, that colour test is pretty terrifyingly accurate, at least for me :o

[GoldenRivet]

Wow, that colour test is pretty terrifyingly accurate, at least for me :o

hope you liked it.

Introspection and dream interpretation have been a couple of things i have enjoyed dabbling over the last several years.

I visit the dream dictionary weekly almost.

[Skybird]

I always had my doubts on interpreting dream "symbols" as long as it are no "great dreams" in Jung's sense of archetypes. And these are rare. And schematically using encyclopedias on normal dream symbols is - well, it puts a smile on my face, but that does not indicate agreement.

If you think your mind is not just redigesting the experiences of your imminent past, but the dream stays on your mind and you think it "means" something:
Find a real person you can talk to and who is in knowledge of how Gestalt-work is dealing with dreams. It makes much more sense. In brief, what you asked for is to deal with your dream as if it were something different from you, that happened to you from the outside, with you and the elements of the dream being separates. Gestalt dreamwork means to understand that all experience of whatever it is, is within us, is made and created by us, and cannot be seen as sepaarte from us. Thus, you do not interpret external symbols, but you identify yourself with every element of the dream, and try to find out what the whole story looks like from that perspective. You do not have dreams: you are dreams.

1. You tell/remember your dream: "I had a dream of person X doing deed Y, in place Z.

2. You make the past the present: "I dream of X doing Y, in Z."

3. You overcome the separation. "I am X , now I am the process of the deed Y taking place, now I am the location Z where it happens."

How does it feel when you are that person? How does it feel to be the process of walking, what does it make you to think? How does it feel to be the road that gets walked on? What kind of road is it? What do you think about the guy walking on you? Where do you, the road, start, where do you lead? Etc etc.

Give every element of the dream - persons, objects, animals - a voice, like in a fairy tale. Identify yourself with every element. In the end, they all are you indeed: it is you dreaming, it is your mind forming these images. And nobody slid a chipcard into your brain with preloaded stuff like standardised dream symbols. :lol: If you would do Freudian dream analysis, you soon would see Mr. and Mrs. Sexus everywhere and in everything anyhow. :lol:

Interpreting dream symbols is fascinating and tempting. But most often it is a waste of time, and sometimes even a trap. You need to realise that the dream, every part of it, is you. Your mind does not speak to you as if it were any different from "you". You ARE your mind.

I think of some, reactive diseases, both physical and psychological, the same way, for example if they are stress-induced. People have no depressions - they ARE the depression. They have no cancer - they ARE cancer. Accordingly: you do not get rid of the depression, but yourself is changing. You do not get rid of that cancer, but it is yourself changing.

[Weiss Pinguin]

The last thing I dreamed last night was me researching a paper.... which means I probably need to get back to working on my speech.

Usually I can't even remember what I dreamed a few minutes after I wake up, and even while waking up I can feel myself forgetting what I just dreamed :hmmm:

[GoldenRivet]

I have had dreams where dream interpretation made a lot of sense. Dreams filled with symbology of successes and failures.

What really gets me is "prophetic" dreams. I don't have them with great frequency, but these dreams are an exact prediction of future events. Of course you don't immediately know that until some weeks or months later when you are experiencing verbatim the very thing you dreamt of.

Those moments when you think "whoa... I dreamed this last week"

[Skybird]

Too often I have seen, heared of, read about people doing a random interpretation of their dream, which of course was not "objective", but made them believe it were, and so they ran into the trap of self-fulfilling prophecies.

And the "boah, I dreamed about this last week", or deja vu experince, it has been shown that it is possible - and that it actually happens - that it is a time-discrepancy in the synchronisation between both brain halves. This can be the case both towards simple visual stimuli, and longer, more complex cognitive representations on your mind. Both eyes'S retina for examplehave different optical nerve channels to the two sides of the brain, the part of the retina that is located towards the skull'S outside is linked to the bain-half on that side, while the inner helf of the retina is linked to the brain half on the other side of the skull. If visual stimuli is presented to the eye in a way that both eyes transfer the optical data to just one side of the brain, and only with a delay to the oder side as well, it can happen that you have a situation where the onje side of the brain for a moment does not know what the other side is doing and processing. WShen you relaise that you see something and attrubute your meaning and labels to what yoiu have seen, actually parts of the brain already have had that inpout s short while before - and you end up in a situation where your brain fools itself by letting you think: what I have seen now, I have dreamed of short time before.

Deja vu experience can be explained in other ways, too, but this is one of the most simple-structured explanations.

I do not say that people cannot have a sixth sense, prophetic visions, etc, actually I am convinced, for certain reasons, that these things exist. I just think that it is much, much rarer than it is often said. I think these things are more prominent amongst children, and the skill, gift, habit or whatever you think it is then gets lost or covered by adult's cognitive patterns. It is nothing superstious or supernatural, becasue if it exciosts, it is part of reality, and thus it cannot be supoernatural, but only can be linked to a part of reality that so far we have not understood or recognised correctly.

If you want to interpret symbols and examine how they fit into your life and have a meaning for you, do it in a more standardised way than just random dream symbols: use a system like Tarot cards, for example. Actually, in a context of councelling in life and spiritual questions, it is a method that I even would recommend. But possible that I use Tarot cards differently and less mechnaically/schematically than it is being described in most Tarot books. I used to combine again Gestalt work, and the way Rachel Pollack approached Tarot in her superb books. If you want to read and learn about Tarot cards, Rachel Pollack is the name to watch out for.

On a curious side note, years after I stumbled over these books by Pollack, I personally met and held a seminary with the translator of her first two books into German, at university. He was assistant to the prof who supervised my diploma work and one of my practice terms. :DL

[kiwi_2005]

I hardly dream well I probably dream more than I think but never remeber them. The last dream I remeber clear as daylight. I was standing in this valley where not far ahead of me I could see a wolf running towards me at first I thought nothing of it, to the right of me were some people shooting at this wolf the wolf was running like it was dodging its bullet and kept coming straight for me, as it got within 50yrds or so I started shooting at it as well with a handgun and as it got real close I manage to shoot it dead. The wolf was lying there a few feet from me dead then I woke up. The dream bothered me a bit the reasons there is no wolves in my country nor do I own a handgun so what was that all about?. I looked it up on the net and found out that dreaming of a wolf running towards you means if the wolf reaches you and attacks you your going to have financial hardship, if you kill the wolf before it reaches you, your going to have financial success :rotfl2:

Then I decided to do my own interpretation of my dream:

That night before the dream I was playing Battlefield and entered maps where a handgun was only allowed so I spent a good hour or so shooting with a hand gun. I have plenty of desktop pictures of wolfs - wolfs under a full moon wolfs in the background with a uboat running on the surface etc., So i'm always looking at them. So there's the reason for the handgun and the wolf. The people to my right shooting were probably my mind adding them from the Battlefield game as we all ran around with handguns.

I like to think the killing a wolf means success but till the day I dream of the winning lotto numbers I ain't taking dreams seriously:D

[Castout]

Too often I have seen, heared of, read about people doing a random interpretation of their dream, which of course was not "objective", but made them believe it were, and so they ran into the trap of self-fulfilling prophecies.



There is no such thing as self fulfilled prophecies in my opinion :O:

Prophetic dreams are prophetic dreams and they are NOT self fulfilled prophecies, they may not even be dream. They contain too many correct [predicted] FACTS to be a coincidence and too many out of self control [predicted] outcomes to be a self fulfilled prophecies as the prophecies cannot and really CANNOT be fulfilled by SELF and SELF only and most of the time not even in the slightest by SELF in any portion AT ALL. Believing it or not doesn't change the outcome and I have doubts whether they are changeable. People who say about self fulfilling prophecies imo probably never have had a prophetic dream in their life imo(no offense).

Of course very few dreams are prophetic in nature . . . .and knowing which one is prophetic and which are not takes wisdom and experience(insight) lacking either could make knowing which is which prove to be hard but my rule is prophetic is meant to be known as prophetic so they will hit like a ton of brick as to doubtful dream they can be safely discarded. As a religious I take prophetic dreams to be from God and not without reason too as with I believe most any other Christians. I have had prophetic dreams quite a number of time to be bold enough to come to the conclusion that nothing surprises God when it comes to event, I wouldn't call it predetermined by God but well the end is already known to God even before the beginning had had begun. It's our incapacity to be unaware of future events that make them seemingly uncertain. It's an illusion though as the future is CERTAIN(and to come to think about it made me really doubt about the existence of parallel dimension at all as nothing deviates). It's my conviction mainly stemming from past experience that God knows every fraction of second of my life before even I was born as He does every single born and soon to be born person. If not God is not worthy to be God. But many skeptics about God will use this to argue about things that they cannot comprehend but assumed their argument was somehow logical while the issue cannot be comprehended by ordinary people or blame God for everything that went wrong generally and somehow expected God to babysit everything because He can and because He's supposed to be good as not to allow bad things to happen especially to good people.

One thing for certain God hid Himself from the majority mankind and somehow appreciate the concept of faith when relating to Him because it is the only way for people to be made righteous so even those who have come to know God still need faith to relate to God from time to time as nobody knows God like knowing another person(because no one over rules God so obedience based on perfect knowledge would not make one to stand corrected and thus unable to receive grace even while grace is needed like for us). Only so few people(but then again not that few) that have had a personal experience with God and God IS ALWAYS personal when dealing with every person but that should not be a problem because FAITH is still what made people stand corrected, the more faith the more one stands corrected and the more he stands corrected the more grace he will see.

The correct attitude is important for one to experience God and most importantly to see [some] of the scriptures to come alive in his life time and to be able to relate to those verses when it is read saying inside I know that for a fact(even when it's not everybody's fact) and to come to know the character of God personally no matter how little and to come to know why God is really worthy of worship and praises. In the end it's not about religion but more about one faith in God. Religion will save no one and too many people lost God and replace Him with the worship of religion or change spirituality which is the attitude towards God which is constant prayers as we all are in constant connection with God, with mere physical rituals. And if God is really one and universal wouldn't that make God the God of every single other person irregardless of one's concept of belief of God or lack of it and irregardless one's state of spirituality or lack of it. And if God is really the God of everyone wouldn't that make all of us connected.....more intimately than most of us realize because we came from the same source and ultimately will end up in the same place?

[Skybird]

Prophetic dreams are prophetic dreams and they are NOT self fulfilled prophecies, they may not even be dream. They contain too many correct [predicted] FACTS to be a coincidence and too many out of self control [predicted] outcomes to be a self fulfilled prophecies as the prophecies cannot and really CANNOT be fulfilled by SELF and SELF only and most of the time not even in the slightest by SELF in any portion AT ALL. Believing it or not doesn't change the outcome and I have doubts whether they are changeable. People who say about self fulfilling prophecies imo probably never have had a prophetic dream in their life imo(no offense).

Of course very few dreams are prophetic in nature . . . .and knowing which one is prophetic and which are not takes wisdom and experience(insight) lacking either could make knowing which is which prove to be hard but my rule is prophetic is meant to be known as prophetic so they will hit like a ton of brick as to doubtful dream they can be safely discarded. As a religious I take prophetic dreams to be from God and not without reason too as with I believe most any other Christians. I have had prophetic dreams quite a number of time to be bold enough to come to the conclusion that nothing surprises God when it comes to event, I wouldn't call it predetermined by God but well the end is already known to God even before the beginning had had begun. It's our incapacity to be unaware of future events that make them seemingly uncertain. It's an illusion though as the future is CERTAIN(and to come to think about it made me really doubt about the existence of parallel dimension at all as nothing deviates). It's my conviction mainly stemming from past experience that God knows every fraction of second of my life before even I was born as He does every single born and soon to be born person. If not God is not worthy to be God. But many skeptics about God will use this to argue about things that they cannot comprehend but assumed their argument was somehow logical while the issue cannot be comprehended by ordinary people or blame God for everything that went wrong generally and somehow expected God to babysit everything because He can and because He's supposed to be good as not to allow bad things to happen especially to good people.

One thing for certain God hid Himself from the majority mankind and somehow appreciate the concept of faith when relating to Him because it is the only way for people to be made righteous so even those who have come to know God still need faith to relate to God from time to time as nobody knows God like knowing another person(because no one over rules God so obedience based on perfect knowledge would not make one to stand corrected and thus unable to receive grace even while grace is needed like for us). Only so few people(but then again not that few) that have had a personal experience with God and God IS ALWAYS personal when dealing with every person but that should not be a problem because FAITH is still what made people stand corrected, the more faith the more one stands corrected and the more he stands corrected the more grace he will see.

The correct attitude is important for one to experience God and most importantly to see [some] of the scriptures to come alive in his life time and to be able to relate to those verses when it is read saying inside I know that for a fact(even when it's not everybody's fact) and to come to know the character of God personally no matter how little and to come to know why God is really worthy of worship and praises. In the end it's not about religion but more about one faith in God. Religion will save no one and too many people lost God and replace Him with the worship of religion or change spirituality which is the attitude towards God which is constant prayers as we all are in constant connection with God, with mere physical rituals. And if God is really one and universal wouldn't that make God the God of every single other person irregardless of one's concept of belief of God or lack of it and irregardless one's state of spirituality or lack of it. And if God is really the God of everyone wouldn't that make all of us connected.....more intimately than most of us realize because we came from the same source and ultimately will end up in the same place?

:dead:

Belief. Religion. Missionary lectures. Well.

Okay - you asked for it:

I love the arrogance of religious rightousness. One may not have a way to counter an opposing argument by somebody, one may not have an argument based on reason or evidence oneself - but one can always dismiss the other by simply saying "I cannot prove you wrong nor do I care for what you said and gave in backing information, because I believe in God/witchcraft/pink flying elephants, and thus I simply believe different." I referred to cognitive sciences, and neuro science, talked of brain and dreamwork. You reply with God and how one must believe religion. Lovely.

This is something from a German theologican who was thrown into prison and later murdered by the Nazis, Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I have quoted it often before in recent years, but it seems the opportunities where it fits never become rare:


Stupidity is a more dangerous foe of the good than evil is. It is possible to protest against evil, to expose oneself, and at times it can be prevented by force. Evil always carries in itself the germ of a substitute for it, in that it leaves behind at least a feeling of uneasiness in men. Against stupidity we are defenseless. Neither protests nor force can accomplish anythin here; reasons are of no avail; facts that contradict one's own prejudices simply do not need to be believed -- in such cases the stupid person even becomes critical -- and if they are unavoidable, they can simply be shoved aside as insignificant, isolated cases.

In this the stupid person, in contrast to an evil one, is completely satisfied with himself. Indeed he even becomes dangerous in that he is easily inclined to assume the offensive. Thus more care must be shown in dealing with a stupid person than with an evil one. We shall never again seek to convince a stupid person with reasons; it is senseless and dangerous. In order to know how to deal with stupidity we must seek to understand its nature. This much is certain, that it is not essentially an intellectual defect but a human one. There are intellectually quite able men who are stupid, and intellectually very dull men who are anything but stupid. In certain specific situations we make this discovery to our astonishment. In this connection one has less the impression that stupidity is an inborn defect than that under certain circumstances men are made stupid, or perhaps let themselves be made stupid.

We observe, moreover, that men who live secluded and alone show this defect less often than men and groups of men who are inclined or fated to sociability. Thus stupidity seems to be less a psychological problem than a sociological one. It is a particular form of the effect of historical circumstances on man, a psychological phenomenon that accompanies specific external relationships. On closer view it is seen that every strong outward development of power, whether of a political or of a religious nature, smites a large portion of mankind with stupidity. Yes, this has precisely the appearance of a sociological-psychological law. The power of one man needs the stupidity of another. In this it does not turn out that specific -- and thus perhaps intellectual -- human concerns suddenly are spoiled or go awry, but that under the overpowering impression of the development of power, man is robbed of his inner independence, and theat he now -- more or less unconsciously -- renounces any attempt to find his own relation to the situation that has developed.

The fact that a stupid person is often stubborn should not deceive anyone into thinking that he is independent. In conversation with him it is felt that you are not dealing with the person himself, but with cliches, slogans, etc., that have gained dominance over him. He is under a spell, he is blinded, he is misused, mishandled in his own being. Thus having become a will-less instrument the stupid person becomes capable of all evil, and at the same time incapable of recognizing it as evil. Here lies the danger of the diabolical abuse. In this way men can be destroyed forever.

Why can't people leave their religion where it belongs: in private. By not doing so they make people like me feeling to just have wasted our good will and time.

[Castout]

:dead:

Belief. Religion. Missionary lectures. Well.

Okay - you asked for it:

I love the arrogance of religious rightousness. One may not have a way to counter an opposing argument by somebody, one may not have an argument based on reason or evidence oneself - but one can always dismiss the other by simply saying "I cannot prove you wrong nor do I care for what you said and gave in backing information, because I believe in God/witchcraft/pink flying elephants, and thus I simply believe different." I referred to cognitive sciences, and neuro science, talked of brain and dreamwork. You reply with God and how one must believe religion. Lovely.

This is something from a German theologican who was thrown into prison and later murdered by the Nazis, Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I have quoted it often before in recent years, but it seems the opportunities where it fits never become rare:



Why can't people leave their religion where it belongs: in private. By not doing so they make people like me feeling to just have wasted our good will and time.

Well for one I didn't consider anyone to have to believe in what I'm saying nor do I make the claim to be more righteous than anyone. Sure I can keep it private but I'm compelled to give my testimony in the hope of able to help anybody out there with hope. But more often than not I'm aware that many people would feel threatened with these kind of testimonies and reacted negatively or even in some cases violently because they consider their belief was under threat. I know I can't control how people would react but that didn't deter me from telling my testimonies and insight in the hope to reach those who would read, think and hopefully gain hope.

It was never my intention to tell other people they are wrong while I'm the most right because I'm not God who knows everything perfectly so I wouldn't be able to judge another person belief. I only meant to offer insight. That of which most people just don't or haven't realized yet. And it's not a belief it ceases to be a belief for me a long time ago when I was a kid, well it's a belief to you but the truth for me.

Edit: I'm sorry if it angered you but never in my intention that I was shouting or implying that anyone's belief is wrong.

[tater]

:o Scarily accurate actually :yep:

You can give a room full of people horoscopes and they'll say the same thing. Then show them all are identical.

[Rockstar]

Why so eager to have yourself placed in a box on account of one color test?

[Castout]

You can give a room full of people horoscopes and they'll say the same thing. Then show them all are identical.

Fair enough but the conclusion came frighteningly true and more detailed than horoscope.

Give it a try don't do it half heartedly though, give it a try and a fair chance. Really.


Why so eager to have yourself placed in a box on account of one color test?

Well it's not about putting yourself in a box but knowing what box you've placed yourself currently at the moment. Knowledge is power and that's especially true about knowing our current situation.

To be honest we are very subjective about ourselves thus we may not be a good judge of ourselves. This color test help make that assessment for us. If you found it to be accurate that would mean you're being objective or know yourself quite well.
It also doesn't decide about our permanent color(psyche) but only describe about our current color. People change as many are aware. Our situation changes as well and we change to them too...

I recommend people to take the test and if not a problem to share it in this thread! If that's too personal and too true and if you're not comfortable sharing it then don't share it with us. It's a very short and ridiculously easy test.

[CCIP]

No, I can vouch that in my case the colour test wasn't too far off and I played around with other choices which were quite off. It was certainly on to something, although looking at it carefully, it is possible to see how it really does rely a lot on very generalizeable, agreeable statements that appeal to emotions in broad strokes. Still, there's something to that.

[Skybird]

Well for one I didn't consider anyone to have to believe in what I'm saying nor do I make the claim to be more righteous than anyone. Sure I can keep it private but I'm compelled to give my testimony in the hope of able to help anybody out there with hope. But more often than not I'm aware that many people would feel threatened with these kind of testimonies and reacted negatively or even in some cases violently because they consider their belief was under threat. I know I can't control how people would react but that didn't deter me from telling my testimonies and insight in the hope to reach those who would read, think and hopefully gain hope.

It was never my intention to tell other people they are wrong while I'm the most right because I'm not God who knows everything perfectly so I wouldn't be able to judge another person belief. I only meant to offer insight. That of which most people just don't or haven't realized yet. And it's not a belief it ceases to be a belief for me a long time ago when I was a kid, well it's a belief to you but the truth for me.

Edit: I'm sorry if it angered you but never in my intention that I was shouting or implying that anyone's belief is wrong.

Your self-rightousness shows in that with the greatest naturalness you think and claim people being nerved by your missionary testimony feel, in your words, "threatend", where the simple truth is that they are simply be annoyed by missionary tone and getting fed religious hear-say in return when arguing with reason and reference to science themselves on an issue that has little to do with magic and deities.

Your rightousness also shows in that at one point you admit you are not God and thus do not know it perfectly as he does, nevertheless at another point you admit that you feel compelled to give testionay of your belied - although an uncomfortable implication of what you said is that you cannot be certain of your belief. Why then be so eager to bring it amongst the people?

I dispise religious missionising, no matter whether it is directly or indirectly or is transported by implications of statements, always, no matter what ideology. Like oyu and many others do not like to be told at every opportunity how silly your b elief is and how reasonable an atheistic attitude is or how great xyz-ism is. You take it once, and mabye you take it twice, but then you would have enough of getting it delivered - and friendliness can be a weapon here. Psycho-sects lure their victims by friendliness, and ripping them off their self-responsibility by not leaviong them alone one momnent and not lettin g them do anything themselves, but doing it for them, so that the victim, when it protests, gets asked "We only mean it well, we treat you helpful and friendly, and this is how you give back to us?" It is the classical double-bind situation, meant to undermine defence, and when intentionally used it is the most underhanded a tactical tool of abusive communication. And when a person tells me/you, after you critised his belief, that he forgives you and nevertheless his god loves you still, a divine embrace you cannot escape and that you do not get asked about, then this again is a mixture of double-bind tactis, and arrogance.

Spirituality is about learning to know oneself, and about modesty. And it is best dealt with like you should deal with wild animals: do not try to touch them, do not try to make them approach you, do not lure them. Only stroke them with your hand when they come to you all by themselves and seek your nearness all by themselves. Anything else is - aggression. What you say you think god is or is not, and what you feel like when doing or not doijung soemthing, is not interesting for anyone. Actually what you decide to do and carry out, and what you decide not to do, defines what you are and what your motivation is worth. But even then, the deed still speaks louder than your words.

[Castout]

Why so eager to have yourself placed in a box on account of one color test?

Your rightousness shows in that with the greatest naturalness you think people being nerved by your missionary testimony feel, in your words, "threatend", where the simple truth is that they are simply be annoyed by missionary tone and getting fed religious hear-say in return when arguing with reason and reference to science themselves on an issue that has little to do with magic and deities.

Your rightousness alöso shows in that at one point you admit you are not God and thus do not know it perfectly as he does, nevertheless at another point you admit that you feel compelled to give testionay of your belied - although an implication of what you said is that you cannot be certain of your belief. Why then be so eager to bring it amongst the people?

I dispise religious missionising, always, no matter what ideology. Spirituality is about knowing oneself, and modesty. And it is best dealt with like you should deal with wild animals: do not try to touch them, do not try to make them approach you, do not lure them. Only stroke them with your hand when they come to you all by themselves and seek your nearness all by themselves. Anything else is - aggression. What you say you think god is or is not, and what you feel like when doing or not doijung soemthing, is not interesting for anyone. Actually what you decide to do and carry out, and what you decide not to do, defines what you are and what your motivation is worth. But even then, the deed still speaks louder than your words.

As to the word threatened that's how I perceive people's rude reaction. And I wasn't specifically talking about you Skybird but more like to so many fanatic, religious hating atheist out there.

Yes I do not know everything or even something close to enough but I do know something. Something which I treasure.

If it isn't interesting to you then don't bother to replying or even reading it in the first place. I don't know about you but Martin Luther King Junior was shot for his words! and JFK was killed for his ideals. The current Noble prize winner won because of what he wrote and jailed because of the same writing as well. Not saying that action doesn't define a person but . . . Anyway I'm not looking for argument nor to pun anyone. Don't take it personally. The postings weren't meant for you specifically Skybird. I'd be happier if subsim had a spoiler tag.

[Rockstar]

I am what you would probably call a religous zealot so be gentle with me :timeout:. I think what I is being promoted here in ones testimony is yoking the supernatural, divination and necromancy with Adonai. Something I don't believe appropriate.

Leviticus19:31 Not to practice sorcery of the ov, necromancy
Leviticus19:31 Not to practice sorcery of yidde'oni, familiar spirits.
Deuteronomy18:10 Not to practice soothsaying

Much of what is warned against can be traced to Babylonian cult practices. That includes looking to the stars for answers.

Sorry if I sound hypocritical I don't mean too. I like to a certain degree some of what Skybird said.

[Monica Lewinsky]

Interesting post.

I dreamed the other day that I bowled a PERFECT 300 game in bowling. Then I realized when I woke up that I left one pin standing up when I looked between my legs. damn.

[Platapus]

Interesting post.

I dreamed the other day that I bowled a PERFECT 300 game in bowling. Then I realized when I woke up that I left one pin standing up when I looked between my legs. damn.

Listen Turkey, spare us the fantasies, your mind was just in the gutter instead of the alley.

Time for me to split.

:D

[Castout]

I am what you would probably call a religous zealot so be gentle with me :timeout:. I think what I is being promoted here in ones testimony is yoking the supernatural, divination and necromancy with Adonai. Something I don't believe appropriate.

Leviticus19:31 Not to practice sorcery of the ov, necromancy
Leviticus19:31 Not to practice sorcery of yidde'oni, familiar spirits.
Deuteronomy18:10 Not to practice soothsaying

Much of what is warned against can be traced to Babylonian cult practices. That includes looking to the stars for answers.

Sorry if I sound hypocritical I don't mean too. I like to a certain degree some of what Skybird said.

:o . . . . . . okay but I don't practice occultism and err I don't think I'm a zealot either LOL.

It's okay if you liked what Skybird said to each his own. :salute:

I respect people who know where they stand or what they stand for more than people who are confused and afraid to choose or worse people who stand for themselves as in them being the whole point of any endeavor LOL.
Though I may not agree with Skybird but I can respect his stand and understand his reasons.
I don't mean to hurt anybody's feeling either.

Certainly I don't expect most people to believe it either. I mean that's the whole point of me telling. The acceptance is not my concern or in my control.
I certainly wish I find people who could understand me, I tried to seek such person in real life only to be disappointed . . . . . so I've stopped looking and just tell. . . .may not be wise but I certainly don't care LOL

[NeonSamurai]

Oh goodie, dream interpretation, followed by religious stuff...


Frankly I am highly dubious that most dreams have any real meaning or significance. I also find the concept of looking up dream 'symbols' in an encyclopedic type thing amusing, since it is highly likely that any 'true' symbolic meaning would vary from person to person and item to item.

Also gotta say the colors thing gave me a real laugh. Not only was the results it gave me generalizable as all get out, they were totally off base with my present situation (other then telling me I am under stress, well who the heck isn't). The horoscope analogy is quite appropriate as they are using the same form of generalizable delivery. Also extended horiscopes are pretty similar to the results it gave.


Castout you should be very wary of submitting your personal beliefs to the general public as it opens them to criticism, and religion never fares very well in such circumstances. Honestly, there are several logical inconsistencies in your opening sermon, which if applied to the fullest logical extent would make your deity out to be a vicious bastard or worse. But all religions tend to be full of these logical flaws, being human creations after all.

Also what I think all those religious hating zealots object to, is all the religious zelots telling everyone else around them and at every freaking opportunity (not to mention trying to enact laws and other crap), what to believe, do, say, feel, and think. I know I get pissed off real fast when people do it to me. My belief... keep it to yourself.



Anyhow since you requested, here is the colorquiz 'result' I got... With smart arse comments included (in fuchsia to annoy) :D


Color Test - Results


Your Existing Situation

Feeling stressed out due to his current situation and the demands which are placed on him. Working to release himself from all things that hold him back or tie him down.
Haha who the heck does this not apply to.. seriously.

Your Stress Sources

"Looking to stand out in the crowd and wanting to keep his rank and status. His current situation is irritating him because he can't seem to find anybody out there who values the same high standards he does. He is feeling isolated and wants to give in to his carnal urges, but can't bring himself to appear weak in the eyes of others. Wants others to see his unique qualities and character but can't stand to come off as needy, so instead he has an ""I don't care"" attitude and pushing people away. He turns his back on those who criticizes his behavior, but beneath his indifference is a person who is in desperate need of approval."
I really wish this thing would write in proper english, reading this paragraph gave me a serious headache. Again this could apply to almost anyone, but not me actually, it got it backwards for me for most of it.

Your Restrained Characteristics

Emotionally distant even from those closest to him.
"Feels he is not receiving his fair share and is unable to rely on anyone for support or sympathy. He keeps his emotions bottled up, leaving him quick to take offense to small things. He tries to make the best of his situation."
"Feels he is not receiving his fair share and is unable to rely on anyone for support or sympathy. He keeps his emotions bottled up, leaving him quick to take offense to small things. He tries to make the best of his situation."
Applies tough standards to his potential partner and demands an unrealistic perfection in his sex life.
Again totally wrong. Don't have a sex life currently or potential partners, no time. I am also not emotionally distant by any means. Also rather generic. I also wonder if it is picking this emo crap as i picked black first both times.

Your Desired Objective

"Feels he is in a hopeless situation, which causes him to feel depressed. He resists things which he finds difficult or not to his liking and shields himself from the things which irritate him."
Nope totally wrong again, actually my situation is pretty good all in all, well other than the sex life.

Your Actual Problem

"Struggles with his need for respect and admiration from others; feels he needs to make a name for himself and stand out from the crowd. He acts out by insisting he be the center of attention, and refuses to step back, stand down, or take on a minor, insignificant role."
This one makes me laugh, I have lots of respect and admiration from others. I've also always kind of stood out from the crowd just by my nature of being different. But I am not a peon so no I don't take utterly insignificant roles, nor would I want to.

Your Actual Problem #2

"Is disappointed and let down, feels there is no point in making new goals as they will leave him feeling the same way. Is unable to admit to his short comings, which leads him to act out in an aggressive and resentful way."
Here we go again with the emo nonsense. Again totally backwards.



So all in all, total failure. The thing seems to think I am some goth emo reject (couldn't possibly be more off base if it tried), all cause my first picks were black, then gray (then fuchsia).

[Spike88]

I had a dream that my fiance and I broke up, and I ended up dating someone who looked like her, but felt sad that it wasn't her. Ended up calling her on the phone but she wouldn't get back in relationship with me. Felt utterly hearbroken. And then I either woke up(and promptly fell back asleep) or the dream shifted. The next dream was something about driving(can't remember details). Had to to three more dreams that I can't remember afterwords. The last had something to do with X3. :haha:

[GoldenRivet]

In defense of the color test - given that this is a generalized version. I took the Luscher Color Test as part of a college class several years back.

The person administering the test knew nothing about me and informed me based on color selection that...

1. I had recently ended a long term commitment with a girlfriend or fiance

2. I was frustrated by a family situation that i felt i had no control of, and color placement suggested that it had more to do with a divorce or a death in the family over some petty problem

3. I was excited about a new endeavor that had begun for me as recently as a week ago.

there were about a dozen points to it all the way down to my preference toward artistic things right up to the type of woman i was most attracted to it was all very very specific.

1. I had just ended it with a girlfriend of 3 years

2. my parents were in the middle of a bitter divorce

3. I had switched majors and enrolled in an aviation program just a week or two before taking the color test.

while this hocus pocus internet version is HIGHLY generalized - the actual psychological examination is frighteningly accurate.

EDIT:

personally, i think the mind is an extremely potent and powerful thing that we don't even begin to understand even in this age.

dreams are more than just subconscious entertainment - though sometimes thats all they are. - but i maintain that a lot of the time, dreams contain the keys to our loves, lusts, desires and goals and say more about who we are than we might think.

[Castout]

I had a dream that my fiance and I broke up, and I ended up dating someone who looked like her, but felt sad that it wasn't her. Ended up calling her on the phone but she wouldn't get back in relationship with me. Felt utterly hearbroken.



Umm I'd say you feel a bit insecure about your relationship :D and that you love her MUCH. Well maybe this MUCH(I swear subsim only allows that tall)



And then I either woke up(and promptly fell back asleep) or the dream shifted. The next dream was something about driving(can't remember details). Had to to three more dreams that I can't remember afterwords. The last had something to do with X3. :haha:

:D Kids in you

[Castout]

I hardly dream well I probably dream more than I think but never remeber them. The last dream I remeber clear as daylight. I was standing in this valley where not far ahead of me I could see a wolf running towards me at first I thought nothing of it, to the right of me were some people shooting at this wolf the wolf was running like it was dodging its bullet and kept coming straight for me, as it got within 50yrds or so I started shooting at it as well with a handgun and as it got real close I manage to shoot it dead. The wolf was lying there a few feet from me dead then I woke up. The dream bothered me a bit the reasons there is no wolves in my country nor do I own a handgun so what was that all about?. I looked it up on the net and found out that dreaming of a wolf running towards you means if the wolf reaches you and attacks you your going to have financial hardship, if you kill the wolf before it reaches you, your going to have financial success :rotfl2:

Then I decided to do my own interpretation of my dream:

That night before the dream I was playing Battlefield and entered maps where a handgun was only allowed so I spent a good hour or so shooting with a hand gun. I have plenty of desktop pictures of wolfs - wolfs under a full moon wolfs in the background with a uboat running on the surface etc., So i'm always looking at them. So there's the reason for the handgun and the wolf. The people to my right shooting were probably my mind adding them from the Battlefield game as we all ran around with handguns.

I like to think the killing a wolf means success but till the day I dream of the winning lotto numbers I ain't taking dreams seriously:D


Umm have you been having a pressing matter that you think is quite urgent that you need to solve quickly? Anyway it looked like you have the capability to deal with the problem.

I usually lose in my dream(I attribute that to low self esteem) except when I get pissed then somehow I'm able to think even in dream and take control LOL.

[ReFaN]

Fluffy coulds, Rainbows and Unicorns.

oopeeen youur Eyyyeeesss!

[Skybird]

The so-called Lüscher-Farbtest is not unknown in psychology, though rarely used in institutions and settings needing to take care for methodics, because as fas as I know there is little statistical work done to verify it's validity. However, it gets used by some therapists not working in har-core clinical contexts, but more ion the advisory, councelling field, and in the job assessment setting. I used it myself several times, and for reasons of curiosity many of us students back then did: we experimented, like students do. :D Surprisingly I found it to have a very high hit quota.

Lüscher has chnaged the test several times in an attempt to reduce it to the very basic needs, he reduced the number of colour cards and the number of steps that were needed to do. So, several versions of the Lüscher-Test are in circulation. I prefer the one where in four trials four colours must be sorted in sequence of preference. There are shorter and longer test versions.

The general problem I have with diagnostic tests (this or methodologically tight ones) is that they just label a status, but do not describe a process by which to move on. They can also be faked, intentionally or with the subject not beign aware, since they base on the intellect to chose the answer to questions. A demand by the tester that the subject should act spontane, does not change that.

I do not comment the computer-version of the test shown on page one, since I am suspicious to computerised versions of originally material, real-worl tests, in principal. I imagine the day when you go to an automat like to a banking robot, and you enter your chip card and get asked for your colour preferences and the damn thing next tells you who you are (or what it thinks you should be like), and that you should do this or that. THX-1138, the movie, on my mind.

[NeonSamurai]

In offense (:DL) of the color test, what you described there could be done using the techniques of cold reading (something that 'psychics' use to gain insight in a person). I would be a lot more impressed if the person giving you the test never met you or observed you, and gave independently accurate results just from the colors you chose, that were validated before you were informed of the results (ie we got the answers from you before you knew the results).

I will also add that memory is a very flawed thing that tends not to be anywhere near as accurate as commonly thought, and that you may have colored this memory (different meaning) based on your beliefs and pre/post-conceptions. That this test was not quite as accurate as you now remember it being.

In defense of the color test - given that this is a generalized version. I took the Luscher Color Test as part of a college class several years back.

The person administering the test knew nothing about me and informed me based on color selection that...

1. I had recently ended a long term commitment with a girlfriend or fiance

2. I was frustrated by a family situation that i felt i had no control of, and color placement suggested that it had more to do with a divorce or a death in the family over some petty problem

3. I was excited about a new endeavor that had begun for me as recently as a week ago.

there were about a dozen points to it all the way down to my preference toward artistic things right up to the type of woman i was most attracted to it was all very very specific.

1. I had just ended it with a girlfriend of 3 years

2. my parents were in the middle of a bitter divorce

3. I had switched majors and enrolled in an aviation program just a week or two before taking the color test.

while this hocus pocus internet version is HIGHLY generalized - the actual psychological examination is frighteningly accurate.

EDIT:

personally, i think the mind is an extremely potent and powerful thing that we don't even begin to understand even in this age.

dreams are more than just subconscious entertainment - though sometimes thats all they are. - but i maintain that a lot of the time, dreams contain the keys to our loves, lusts, desires and goals and say more about who we are than we might think.

Sure dreams probably do carry a lot of subconscious stuff. But most of it is fairly obvious, and I think far less symbolic then people make it out to be. I still heartily disagree with the general attempts to translate supposed symbols from dreams into meaning. From what I have personally studied of dreams though, I think a lot of dreams are just noise.

[Platapus]

I took that colour "test" and I tried very hard to take it seriously.

But the results were bogus.

At best they were ambiguous and could apply to anyone
At worst they were actually the direct opposite of my life
On the average they were not applicable.

I can't believe that a free five-minute two-question psychological test found on the Internets Tubes could be so wrong. :har::har::har::har:

But it was amusing to take. :yep:

[nikimcbee]

you will have 7 years of feast
and 7 years of famine,
then you will have 7 more years...

[Castout]

you will have 7 years of feast
and 7 years of famine,
then you will have 7 more years...

:haha:

So you're going off to Egypt then . . . . not actually the perfect time you missed many hundreds of years LOL.

Funny one.

[nikimcbee]

:haha:

So you're going off to Egypt then . . . . not actually the perfect time you missed many hundreds of years LOL.

Funny one.

...bill's in the mail.:D

[Armistead]

I always dream of tornadoes, wierd ones. Usually they'll be several. Once I dreamed one was inside my office warehouse chasing me. It came into my office and spun me around. I dream about them every week. Stange I often see them in homes I grew up as a kid. Usual stuff, trying to get into a hiding spot with my family, but they always get us.

Never been scared of them and have been in at least 4 that I saw them. My daughters teacher was killed in one in Stoneville NC tornado and several have been around the NC area.

When I had my horsefarm years ago one came and tore all my outbuildings, killed about 5 cows and took out the barn roof I was in why I dove in a empty horse stall. I even got on the local news.

I ain't got a basement, but because of these dreams I ordered and installed a storm cabinet in the garage,,,not that you could ever get in it with all my wifes crap in it now.