Pope OKs condoms

[Platapus]

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/20/pope-says-condoms-may-be-ok-in-some-circumstances/?hpt=T2

Pope says condoms may be OK in some circumstances (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/20/pope-says-condoms-may-be-ok-in-some-circumstances/)


"There could be single cases that can be justified, for instance when a prostitute uses a condom, and this can be a first step towards a moralization, a first assumption of responsibility, to develop again the awareness of the fact that not all is allowed and that one cannot do everything one wants," Benedict said.


CNN Senior Vatican Analyst John Allen cautioned that Benedict's comments do not rise to the level of official Vatican policy, but show the pontiff has flexibility in the church's opposition to birth control.
Allen said that a portion of the book refers to condom use among male prostitutes.
"I think the point he was trying to make, when somebody is using a condom, not so much to prevent new life, which has always been the Catholic Church's big concern, but to prevent the transmission of disease than it would be OK," Allen told CNN.


Well this is a pretty big step for the Vatican.


Who knows, the Vatican may even condone dancing. :o

[FIREWALL]

:haha: Good for a post count.

[Castout]

Even as a Catholic I think sometimes the Vatican has overstepped its authority.

From insisting the earth as the center of the universe to condoms. . . .

None of which has anything to do with the bible despite their claim with the first. I guess the higher you get the more clueless they get about God and the scriptures or the more ignorant.

An ideal Christian would not even in the first place be sleeping with a whore.

I can only imagine how many genuinely good Christians or event saints that they've killed with their past inquisition.


Mankind effort to do anything good has always been marred with man's fallibility. From government to religious bodies. I guess it's only human why we fcuk up so much in the world creating all sorts of pain and suffering to one another.

[TLAM Strike]

I take it their position on alter boys is still to ride bareback? :roll:

Too little too late... :down:

[Platapus]

Castout,

You bring up excellent points about the differences between faith/spirituality and Organized Religion (with a capitol O).:yep:

[FIREWALL]

Castout,

You bring up excellent points about the differences between faith/spirituality and Organized Religion (with a capitol O).:yep:


I'll second that. :up:

[kiwi_2005]

Even as a Catholic I think sometimes the Vatican has overstepped its authority.

From insisting the earth as the center of the universe to condoms. . . .

None of which has anything to do with the bible despite their claim with the first. I guess the higher you get the more clueless they get about God and the scriptures or the more ignorant.

An ideal Christian would not even in the first place be sleeping with a whore.

I can only imagine how many genuinely good Christians or event saints that they've killed with their past inquisition.


Mankind effort to do anything good has always been marred with man's fallibility. From government to religious bodies. I guess it's only human why we fcuk up so much in the world creating all sorts of pain and suffering to one another.

Good post. :up:

[gimpy117]

I would use one every time no matter what the pope said.

theres 3 things you can never trust when being with a lady.

1. Trusting you can just "pull out"
2. trusting she's on birth control
3. Trusting neither of you have an STD.

[Platapus]

Don't be silly
Wear a skin on your willie

:up:

[antikristuseke]

Bring on the whores!

[the_tyrant]

the pope wants to control people yet he has no military, economical, or political capital

Hey, if you want people to do something you don't want them to do, you need play their fears. Back then most people were god fearing catholics, now days, you would have to create fear.

Its the recipe for success for every dictator, from Kim Jiong Il, to Big Brother

[Castout]

One who has to rely on fear to keep ruling has their days numbered.
It's not a sustainable method of ruling and it destroys the fabric of civilized society. It is a sign of desperation and brutish low level inspiration and intellect. Fear is primal and it means the regime is the one which is afraid the most which points they have been reduced to existential thing where their purpose of ruling is just to keep existing instead of bringing progress and good to society. It's decay and not mere stagnation.

Only fools govern with fear but a fool is a fool. Fear works as long as it destroys the most able segment of society because only the inferior would tolerate tyranny. And this means the society will have to do with less than desirable competence and character who are bringing more problems than solution. Sooner or later civilization will grind to a halt for these inferior people to continue ruling. Give man his freedom and he will fight and contribute like no other. This is the reason why Israelis kept winning their biggest wars IMO(1948, 1967 and 1973) and why America is what it is(until some fools think otherwise that is).

On the other hand the Vatican is a prime example of sustainable ruling even when they abuse their power from time to time....simply because they have successfully created an image of ruling by rights of moral authority. Moral authority is the foundation of every kind of authority. As the Vatican has proved it doesn't even have to be REAL all the time or right all the time.

Mind you moral authority doesn't stem from the non existent of the perception of vice on the part of the ruling party. It has to go more than that and able to project and demonstrate good, positive and benevolent and just actions .Most dictatorial regime on the other hand such as in Singapore are only concerned to abolish the image of vice to their ruling elite which is not enough and which is countered by their own corrupt deeds(a fool can't help themselves) even when those are not published by mainstream media or carefully hid.

Send a team of green berets to a country which depends on the climate of fear to maintain control and you'll have an armed revolution. Well as long as they are well supplied and time is of no essence. A country which is run mostly by fear will collapse at the intervention of foreign powers who are able to play this fear card well to their advantage. This is also why my country lost East Timor in a ballot. They had a few decades and they screwed it up.

[GoldenRivet]

+1 post :yeah:

[Tribesman]

Bring on the whores!

Is there something you want to share with the audience?
After all the pope was talking about gay male prostitutes:rotfl2:

[papa_smurf]

Bring on the whores!

.....Waiting for response from Dowly......

[Jimbuna]

One who has to rely on fear to keep ruling has their days numbered.
It's not a sustainable method of ruling and it destroys the fabric of civilized society. It is a sign of desperation and brutish low level inspiration and intellect. Fear is primal and it means the regime is the one which is afraid the most which points they have been reduced to existential thing where their purpose of ruling is just to keep existing instead of bringing progress and good to society. It's decay and not mere stagnation.

Only fools govern with fear but a fool is a fool. Fear works as long as it destroys the most able segment of society because only the inferior would tolerate tyranny. And this means the society will have to do with less than desirable competence and character who are bringing more problems than solution. Sooner or later civilization will grind to a halt for these inferior people to continue ruling. Give man his freedom and he will fight and contribute like no other. This is the reason why Israelis kept winning their biggest wars IMO(1948, 1967 and 1973) and why America is what it is(until some fools think otherwise that is).

On the other hand the Vatican is a prime example of sustainable ruling even when they abuse their power from time to time....simply because they have successfully created an image of ruling by rights of moral authority. Moral authority is the foundation of every kind of authority. As the Vatican has proved it doesn't even have to be REAL all the time or right all the time.

Mind you moral authority doesn't stem from the non existent of the perception of vice on the part of the ruling party. It has to go more than that and able to project and demonstrate good, positive and benevolent and just actions .Most dictatorial regime on the other hand such as in Singapore are only concerned to abolish the image of vice to their ruling elite which is not enough and which is countered by their own corrupt deeds(a fool can't help themselves) even when those are not published by mainstream media or carefully hid.

Send a team of green berets to a country which depends on the climate of fear to maintain control and you'll have an armed revolution. Well as long as they are well supplied and time is of no essence. A country which is run mostly by fear will collapse at the intervention of foreign powers who are able to play this fear card well to their advantage. This is also why my country lost East Timor in a ballot. They had a few decades and they screwed it up.

Good post http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Platapus]

One who has to rely on fear to keep ruling has their days numbered.

That may be, but it can be a rather large number sometimes.

[the_tyrant]

One who has to rely on fear to keep ruling has their days numbered.
It's not a sustainable method of ruling and it destroys the fabric of civilized society. It is a sign of desperation and brutish low level inspiration and intellect. Fear is primal and it means the regime is the one which is afraid the most which points they have been reduced to existential thing where their purpose of ruling is just to keep existing instead of bringing progress and good to society. It's decay and not mere stagnation.

Only fools govern with fear but a fool is a fool. Fear works as long as it destroys the most able segment of society because only the inferior would tolerate tyranny. And this means the society will have to do with less than desirable competence and character who are bringing more problems than solution. Sooner or later civilization will grind to a halt for these inferior people to continue ruling. Give man his freedom and he will fight and contribute like no other. This is the reason why Israelis kept winning their biggest wars IMO(1948, 1967 and 1973) and why America is what it is(until some fools think otherwise that is).

On the other hand the Vatican is a prime example of sustainable ruling even when they abuse their power from time to time....simply because they have successfully created an image of ruling by rights of moral authority. Moral authority is the foundation of every kind of authority. As the Vatican has proved it doesn't even have to be REAL all the time or right all the time.

Mind you moral authority doesn't stem from the non existent of the perception of vice on the part of the ruling party. It has to go more than that and able to project and demonstrate good, positive and benevolent and just actions .Most dictatorial regime on the other hand such as in Singapore are only concerned to abolish the image of vice to their ruling elite which is not enough and which is countered by their own corrupt deeds(a fool can't help themselves) even when those are not published by mainstream media or carefully hid.

Send a team of green berets to a country which depends on the climate of fear to maintain control and you'll have an armed revolution. Well as long as they are well supplied and time is of no essence. A country which is run mostly by fear will collapse at the intervention of foreign powers who are able to play this fear card well to their advantage. This is also why my country lost East Timor in a ballot. They had a few decades and they screwed it up.

Great post:up:
But i still have to disagree with you about 1 thing though,
moral authority is losing its influence. Every few years, someone like Marilyn Manson comes along and pushes the boundaries about what society deems "acceptable"

you said that "Mind you moral authority doesn't stem from the non existent of the perception of vice on the part of the ruling party. It has to go more than that and able to project and demonstrate good, positive and benevolent and just actions ."

Its sad but now days an increasing amount of young people no longer cares about good, positive and benevolent and just when making decisions

And anyways, the bible uses scare tactics quite a lot,

[nikimcbee]

Bring on the whores!

So wait... so in the past, I could have been with a hooker (not a sin:hmmm:), but if I used a condom, that would have been a sin?:hmmm:

So now...wait, I'm confused:hmmm:



WWDD?
(what would dowly do?)

[TLAM Strike]

So wait... so in the past, I could have been with a hooker (not a sin:hmmm:), but if I used a condom, that would have been a sin?:hmmm:

So now...wait, I'm confused:hmmm:

I think when the Pope means "Male Prostitutes" he means Homosexual Male Prostitutes. Which is a sin according to them.

Heterosexual male prostitutes don't exist, after all everyone knows that you don't need to pay a man money to sleep with a women. :O:

[the_tyrant]

WWDD?
(what would dowly do?)

:rotfl2:
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x462/Dowly/hottub.gif

[Jimbuna]

WWDD?
(what would dowly do?)

Something along the lines of "Good that Pope Benedict is saying condoms are ok. But really, who goes to an 83 year old German virgin for advice on sex?"




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