Islamophobia has reached new levels of ridiculousness

[mookiemookie]

Some vigilant citizens in Phoenix, Arizona are up in arms over a domed church that they wrongly believe to be a mosque. The large building, still under construction along a busy interstate, is actually a nondenominational church. The backlash has been severe enough that the church's leaders have hung a giant banner over the dome: "IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT YOU ARE WRONG -- WE ARE BUILDING A CHRISTIAN HOUSE OF WORSHIP."

http://www.kpho.com/2010/1111/25758422_480X284.jpg

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/Locals-Protest-Mosque-Thats-Actually-a-Church-2546

[Bubblehead1980]

Nothing wrong with citizens not wanting a mosque in their community.....not "Islamophobia" or whatever cliche term the PC crowd wants to irresonsibly throw around.Actually it is eing aware that allowing the ideology of America's enemies to spread is not a good idea, ANYWHERE.Not saying all muslims are the enemy, don't twist it BUT their "religion" and it's teachings are not compatible with the USA.Sad but true.

[antikristuseke]

*facepalm*
It's not even a bloody mosque bubblehead.

[Bubblehead1980]

*facepalm*
It's not even a bloody mosque bubblehead.


* lol returns the facepalm*I am aware of this but the citizens though it could be one and look at it, under construction it looks as if it could be, so they were up in arms.Mookie labeled this as Islamophobia and it is not, citizens watching out for their community and country.

[Takeda Shingen]

* lol returns the facepalm*I am aware of this but the citizens though it could be one and look at it, under construction it looks as if it could be, so they were up in arms.Mookie labeled this as Islamophobia and it is not, citizens watching out for their community and country.

What, are we going to pass ordinances against building domes now? Sorry, got to go with mookie; this is a new level of absurdity.

[antikristuseke]

Or overreacting when they dont know what the hell they are talking about.

[mookiemookie]

* lol returns the facepalm*I am aware of this but the citizens though it could be one and look at it, under construction it looks as if it could be, so they were up in arms.Mookie labeled this as Islamophobia and it is not, citizens watching out for their community and country.

*double facepalm*

Anything with a dome is a mosque, eh?

http://www.ship-of-fools.com/mystery/2000/Pics/StPetersRome.jpg

[Gargamel]

Here in cleveland, a new Juvenile Justice center is being built. It looks similar, but not really, like a mosque. Big uproar about it for a bit until they realized it was a County building. /facepalm

[Takeda Shingen]

http://www.aoc.gov/images/dome_1.jpg

[Ducimus]

Just curious, but how many christian church's with dome roofs in the US are there? (honest question, cause i've never heard of one)

[tater]

Greek Orthodox churches have domes, usually.

BTW, even using the term "islamophobia" is its own bias. It get used to describe even disliking islam for entirely rational reasons (though in this case I agree it's not entirely rational since it's not a mosque).

[Takeda Shingen]

Just curious, but how many christian church's with dome roofs in the US are there?

The Basilica of Sts. Peter and Paul in Philadelphia is both a domed church and the headquarters of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. Also, many Orthodox Churches are domed.

[The Third Man]

If it were only islamaphobia. Lets take an inventory, and remember how the left extoriates Christians.

1993
United States, January 25: Mir Aimal Kansi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Aimal_Kansi), a Pakistani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan), fires an AK-47 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47) assault rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle) into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of the Central Intelligence Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) headquarters, killing two and injuring three others, see FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Ten_Most_Wanted_Fugitives,_1990s).

United States, February 26: World Trade Center bombing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing) kills six and injures over 1000 people, by coalition of five groups: Jamaat Al-Fuqra' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fuqra%27)/Gamaat Islamiya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Gama%27a_al-Islamiyya)/Hamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas)/Islamic Jihad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Jihad)/National Islamic Front (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Islamic_Front),[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1993#cite_note-emerson-4) see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Most_Wanted_Terrorists), FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Ten_Most_Wanted_Fugitives,_1990s), Ramzi Yousef (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef).

1994

United States, March 1: In the Brooklyn Bridge Shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Bridge_Shooting), Rashid Baz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Baz) kills a Hasidic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidism) seminary student and wounds four on the Brooklyn Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Bridge) in New York City in response to the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1994#cite_note-Baz-0)

United States, March 5: In Salt Lake City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City), Utah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah), a gunman with a homemade bomb held several people hostage in the downtown public library (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City_Public_Library_Hostage_Incident). Police mortally wound the gunman before he is able to kill any hostages.

1997

United States, February 24: Ali Abu Kamal opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_State_Building) in New York City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City), killing a Danish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark) national and wounding visitors from the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), Argentina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina), Switzerland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland) and France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine". His widow claimed he became suicidal after losing $300,000 in a business venture. In a 2007 interview with the New York Daily News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Daily_News) his daughter said her mother's story was a cover crafted by the Palestinian Authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority) and that her father wanted to punish the United States for its support of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1997#cite_note-0)


1999
United States, December 14: Ahmed Ressam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam) is arrested on the United States-Canada border (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States-Canada_border) in Port Angeles, Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Angeles,_Washington); he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_International_Airport) as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_millennium_attack_plots)

2001

United States, September 11: Attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks) kill 2,973, and many more later from exposure to toxic dust in a series of hijacked airliner crashes into two U.S. landmarks: the World Trade Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center) in New York City, New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York), and The Pentagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon) in Arlington, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington,_Virginia). A fourth plane, originally intended to hit the United States Capitol Building, crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_County,_Pennsylvania), after an apparent revolt against the hijackers by the plane's passengers.

United States, December 22: 2001 shoe bomb plot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_shoe_bomb_plot).


And that is up to the end of 2001. Any sane human being can see the Muslim threat.

[Ducimus]

The Basilica of Sts. Peter and Paul in Philadelphia is both a domed church and the headquarters of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. Also, many Orthodox Churches are domed.

Ah, ok. Admittedly, i usually go out of my way to avoid church's. I associate them more with angular "upward reaching" architectures, with the obligatory pointed steeple or something.

[Takeda Shingen]

If it were only islamaphobia. Lets take an inventory, and remember how the left extoriates Christians.

1993
United States, January 25: Mir Aimal Kansi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Aimal_Kansi), a Pakistani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan), fires an AK-47 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47) assault rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle) into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of the Central Intelligence Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) headquarters, killing two and injuring three others, see FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Ten_Most_Wanted_Fugitives,_1990s).

United States, February 26: World Trade Center bombing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing) kills six and injures over 1000 people, by coalition of five groups: Jamaat Al-Fuqra' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fuqra%27)/Gamaat Islamiya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Gama%27a_al-Islamiyya)/Hamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas)/Islamic Jihad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Jihad)/National Islamic Front (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Islamic_Front),[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1993#cite_note-emerson-4) see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Most_Wanted_Terrorists), FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Ten_Most_Wanted_Fugitives,_1990s), Ramzi Yousef (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef).

1994

United States, March 1: In the Brooklyn Bridge Shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Bridge_Shooting), Rashid Baz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Baz) kills a Hasidic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidism) seminary student and wounds four on the Brooklyn Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Bridge) in New York City in response to the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1994#cite_note-Baz-0)

United States, March 5: In Salt Lake City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City), Utah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah), a gunman with a homemade bomb held several people hostage in the downtown public library (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City_Public_Library_Hostage_Incident). Police mortally wound the gunman before he is able to kill any hostages.

1997

United States, February 24: Ali Abu Kamal opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_State_Building) in New York City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City), killing a Danish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark) national and wounding visitors from the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), Argentina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina), Switzerland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland) and France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine". His widow claimed he became suicidal after losing $300,000 in a business venture. In a 2007 interview with the New York Daily News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Daily_News) his daughter said her mother's story was a cover crafted by the Palestinian Authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority) and that her father wanted to punish the United States for its support of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1997#cite_note-0)


1999
United States, December 14: Ahmed Ressam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam) is arrested on the United States-Canada border (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States-Canada_border) in Port Angeles, Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Angeles,_Washington); he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_International_Airport) as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_millennium_attack_plots)

2001

United States, September 11: Attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks) kill 2,973, and many more later from exposure to toxic dust in a series of hijacked airliner crashes into two U.S. landmarks: the World Trade Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center) in New York City, New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York), and The Pentagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon) in Arlington, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington,_Virginia). A fourth plane, originally intended to hit the United States Capitol Building, crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_County,_Pennsylvania), after an apparent revolt against the hijackers by the plane's passengers.

United States, December 22: 2001 shoe bomb plot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_shoe_bomb_plot).


And that is up to the end of 2001. Any sane human being can see the Muslim threat.

If only the prevention of domed building construction would end what any sane human being can see.

[mookiemookie]

And that is up to the end of 2001. Any sane human being can see the Muslim threat.

And the insane see imagined threats when there are none, as in this case.

[Bubblehead1980]

*facepalm* Obviously not everything with a dome is a mosque but when something is under construction, difficult to tell what it is but looking at the picture, I can see how they may suspect.The citizens were wrong since it is "non denom" church but it is not Islamophobia to be vigilant about what is built in one's community and that is what happened here.Yes they should have done their homework so to speak to make sure but they did nothing wrong.

Side point....Mosques along with ALL churches should lose their tax extempt status.

[antikristuseke]

So the muslims living peacefully in the US have no right to build places of worship?

[Takeda Shingen]

*facepalm* Obviously not everything with a dome is a mosque but when something is under construction, can look like a Mosque.The citizens were wrong since it is "non denom" church but it is not Islamophobia to be vigilant about what is built in one's community.

You're still missing the point: There would be no issue if the building did not include a domed roof. Certain segments of the populace clearly suffer from a hypersensitivity concerning Islam that is far more destructive than protective.

[The Third Man]

And the insane see imagined threats when there are none, as in this case.

So sad.

[The Third Man]

So the muslims living peacefully in the US have no right to build places of worship?

That freedom doesn't exist. Freedom of worship does of course, but freedom to build does not.

[GoldenRivet]

While i disagree with the Muslim faith and ideology, and consider them all to be a murderous, hateful and oppressive bunch. (simply because i have seen no overwhelming evidence to suggest otherwise)


i think they have a right to build their places of worship wherever zoning laws allow.

[antikristuseke]

That freedom doesn't exist. Freedom of worship does of course, but freedom to build does not.

I guess I could have phrased that better. Anyway, GoldenRivet got it right, even though I dont quite share his opinion, but rather take things on a per person basis.

[XabbaRus]

While i disagree with the Muslim faith and ideology, and consider them all to be a murderous, hateful and oppressive bunch. (simply because i have seen no overwhelming evidence to suggest otherwise)


i think they have a right to build their places of worship wherever zoning laws allow.


All of them? I'll have to tell my friend Shahid. Funny as he owns a couple of corner shops a take away and he sells and handles alcohol, wants to buy a pub and still celebrated Eid, Rammadan etc....

[Skybird]

You're still missing the point: There would be no issue if the building did not include a domed roof. Certain segments of the populace clearly suffer from a hypersensitivity concerning Islam that is far more destructive than protective.
Maybe that hypersensitivity has a reason. :hmmm: Burnt child not only fears open fire, but when it happened repeatedly it sooner or later fears even a small spark.

[antikristuseke]

Probably does, but not a rational one.

[Takeda Shingen]

Maybe that hypersensitivity has a reason. :hmmm:

Schizophrenia has reasons too, but I wouldn't consider it's effects to be healthy.

[Tchocky]

Here in cleveland, a new Juvenile Justice center is being built. It looks similar, but not really, like a mosque. Big uproar about it for a bit until they realized it was a County building. /facepalm

That's not a coincidence, that's proof. They're everywhere.

[GoldenRivet]

All of them?

I'm sure there are individual Muslims who are good. perhaps a dozen of them.

there were good NAZIs after all.




I just have not personally met any.

[Takeda Shingen]

I just have not personally met any.

I've met a few on this very forum, one of which was and is a very good friend. He doesn't come around much anymore.

[GoldenRivet]

He doesn't come around much anymore.

cant imagine why

[Skybird]

Probably does, but not a rational one.
Learning by repeated and ongoing bad experience is very rational.

[antikristuseke]

Attributing the horrible actions of some on an entire group is not.

[Ducimus]

Attributing the horrible actions of some on an entire group is not.

IMO, the world wide muslim cartoon riots a few years back did much to justify the application of a wide brush.

[Skybird]

All of them? I'll have to tell my friend Shahid. Funny as he owns a couple of corner shops a take away and he sells and handles alcohol, wants to buy a pub and still celebrated Eid, Rammadan etc....
Muslims are allowed to trade alcohol (or drugs and narcotics) to infidels, they are just prohibited to drink it themselves. Violation results in a so-called hadd-penalty of usually 40-80 strokes with the whip.

[The Third Man]

History is full of the small minority being responsible for the acts of the majority. Now is not the time to stop human nature. All Muslims are bad until they prove different. Just like the Irish, Germans, Dutch, et al.

[The Third Man]

Muslims are allowed to trade alcohol to infidels, they are just prohibited to drink it themselves. Violation results in a so-called hadd-penalty of usually 40-80 strokes with the whip.

Hard core.

[Skybird]

Attributing the horrible actions of some on an entire group is not.

Attributing the racism, supremcism and totalitarianism of a culture to the teaching of a totalitarian ideology of supremacism, barbarism and racism that said culture has chosen to follow, is.

As a German-Egyptian politologist and Islam-apostate Abdel-Samad said last week on German TV (when commenting on "moderate" Muslims claiming to be integrated while telling the camera how very much stuck in the rules of Turkish macho and Turkish national identity and rule of Quran they are) "Reminds me of a superfast modern 3 GHZ quadcore PC with 8 GB RAM and fast graphics-card - running Atari software from the early 70s." (quoting by memory, it may not be precisely the same wording).

[The Third Man]

Attributing the horrible actions of some on an entire group is not.


It worked in the south in the US. Horrible actions against Blacks were often blamed, are blamed on the entire south. Mainly by the folks who want to protect Muslims today.

[the_tyrant]

it was Eid earlier this week, and all my Muslim friends have a reason not to come to school
well the logic here is: Muslims don't come to school on Muslim holidays, Christian holidays, and secular holidays
Not just Muslim students, as long as there is a religious holiday, students belonging to that religion don't have to come to school.

Also, you could get disciplined if you make fun of a religion, but it doesn't matter if you make fun of atheism.

Its seems like us atheists are now the subject of discrimination

[Platapus]

While i disagree with the Muslim faith and ideology, and consider them all to be a murderous, hateful and oppressive bunch. (simply because i have seen no overwhelming evidence to suggest otherwise)


i think they have a right to build their places of worship wherever zoning laws allow.

All of them? I'll have to tell my friend Shahid. Funny as he owns a couple of corner shops a take away and he sells and handles alcohol, wants to buy a pub and still celebrated Eid, Rammadan etc....

I will have to ask my Muslim friends currently serving in the US Army and Air Force about this too.

[GoldenRivet]

I'm sure there are individual Muslims who are good.


i simply point you there.

[Platapus]

This reminds me of that terrible crime that committed just after 911. Down in Arizona, Frank Roque killed Balbir Sing Sodhi because he was wearing a turban.

Too bad this man turned out to be a Sikh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balbir_Singh_Sodhi

Never, but never underestimate the stupidity of American Citizens :nope:

[Castout]

:haha: My first reaction was to burst in laughter.


Reminds me of certain Islamic civil group here who would close churches and disrupt mass and service and intimidate cross-religion religious harmony demonstration.


Well every country has these kind of people I guess not excluding USA.:O:

[The Third Man]

In case you missed the attacks...............


If it were only islamaphobia. Lets take an inventory, and remember how the left extoriates Christians.

1993
United States, January 25: Mir Aimal Kansi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_Aimal_Kansi), a Pakistani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan), fires an AK-47 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47) assault rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle) into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of the Central Intelligence Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) headquarters, killing two and injuring three others, see FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Ten_Most_Wanted_Fugitives,_1990s).

United States, February 26: World Trade Center bombing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing) kills six and injures over 1000 people, by coalition of five groups: Jamaat Al-Fuqra' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fuqra%27)/Gamaat Islamiya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Gama%27a_al-Islamiyya)/Hamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas)/Islamic Jihad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Jihad)/National Islamic Front (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Islamic_Front),[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1993#cite_note-emerson-4) see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Most_Wanted_Terrorists), FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Ten_Most_Wanted_Fugitives,_1990s), Ramzi Yousef (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef).

1994

United States, March 1: In the Brooklyn Bridge Shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Bridge_Shooting), Rashid Baz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Baz) kills a Hasidic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidism) seminary student and wounds four on the Brooklyn Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Bridge) in New York City in response to the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1994#cite_note-Baz-0)

United States, March 5: In Salt Lake City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City), Utah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah), a gunman with a homemade bomb held several people hostage in the downtown public library (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City_Public_Library_Hostage_Incident). Police mortally wound the gunman before he is able to kill any hostages.

1997

United States, February 24: Ali Abu Kamal opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_State_Building) in New York City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City), killing a Danish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark) national and wounding visitors from the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), Argentina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina), Switzerland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland) and France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine". His widow claimed he became suicidal after losing $300,000 in a business venture. In a 2007 interview with the New York Daily News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Daily_News) his daughter said her mother's story was a cover crafted by the Palestinian Authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority) and that her father wanted to punish the United States for its support of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1997#cite_note-0)


1999
United States, December 14: Ahmed Ressam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam) is arrested on the United States-Canada border (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States-Canada_border) in Port Angeles, Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Angeles,_Washington); he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_International_Airport) as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_millennium_attack_plots)

2001

United States, September 11: Attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks) kill 2,973, and many more later from exposure to toxic dust in a series of hijacked airliner crashes into two U.S. landmarks: the World Trade Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center) in New York City, New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York), and The Pentagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon) in Arlington, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington,_Virginia). A fourth plane, originally intended to hit the United States Capitol Building, crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_County,_Pennsylvania), after an apparent revolt against the hijackers by the plane's passengers.

United States, December 22: 2001 shoe bomb plot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_shoe_bomb_plot).


And that is up to the end of 2001. Any sane human being can see the Muslim threat.

[Tribesman]

Learning by repeated and ongoing bad experience is very rational.
If your islamophobia was rational you wouldn't have to repeatedly lie and link to crazy sites about evil black people.:rotfl2:

I'm sure there are individual Muslims who are good. perhaps a dozen of them.

there were good NAZIs after all.

Since Nazis were almost exclusively Christians from a western culture are you going to extend your phobia to a level that might be called rational?

[GoldenRivet]

Since Nazis were almost exclusively Christians from a western culture are you going to extend your phobia to a level that might be called rational?

Unlike Islam, the NAZI movement is not a theological concept. they are a political concept.

I have read about numerous and compelling cases in which card carrying nazis displayed compassion or "good" on some level or another.

I have not experienced this with Muslims.



I dont get along with a lot of Christians either, so take what you will from my comments.

[The Third Man]

Yep we have gone too far. I am willing to stop attacks on Islam if everyone else is willing to stop attacking Judeo–Christian beliefs.

Seems fair to me. Anyone extolling a religion to murder people is up to the death penalty by default.

[the_tyrant]

Unlike Islam, the NAZI movement is not a theological concept. they are a political concept.

I have read about numerous and compelling cases in which card carrying nazis displayed compassion or "good" on some level or another.

I have not experienced this with Muslims.



I dont get along with a lot of Christians either, so take what you will from my comments.

we could say fascism is a political religion
I don't really get along with hardcore religious people
but i do have a lot of "fake muslims" friends(there parents are muslim, but they are generally atheist)

[Tchocky]

I hear Apple have decided to make phones now. Good luck to them, wonder how it will turn out.

[antikristuseke]

It worked in the south in the US. Horrible actions against Blacks were often blamed, are blamed on the entire south. Mainly by the folks who want to protect Muslims today.

And they were, and are, equally wrong in doing so, in my opinion.

[Takeda Shingen]

I hear Apple have decided to make phones now. Good luck to them, wonder how it will turn out.

They'd better be rotary phones. No one will ever use them new-fangled buttoned contraptions.

[The Third Man]

Yep we have gone too far. I am willing to stop attacks on Islam if everyone else is willing to stop attacking Judeo–Christian beliefs.

Seems fair to me. Anyone extolling a religion to murder people is up to the death penalty by default.

[antikristuseke]

To be frank, all organized religions are contemtible in my view, but that is another discussion entirely.

[Tribesman]

I am willing to stop attacks on Islam if everyone else is willing to stop attacking Judeo–Christian beliefs.


Is that the imaginary victim you are playing?:rotfl2:

[The Third Man]

Islam's most basic teaching requires the death of Jews and Christians. I should accept this willingly?

[The Third Man]

Is that the imaginary victim you are playing?:rotfl2:

Reading is fundimental...and you should read the Koran.

[Tribesman]

Islam's most basic teaching requires the death of Jews and Christians.
Does it really?


Reading is fundimental...and you should read the Koran.
Its patently obvious that you havn't read it, I would be willing to bet that you are one of those very strange "christians" who don't even know the bible.:haha:

[The Third Man]

I have you havent.

[Tribesman]

I have you havent.

By your statements you have already shown that you know neither the koran or the bible:har::har::har::har:

So that makes you a liar:yeah:
Can you remind me (when you get a chance to read some scriptures) what exactly the judeo christian teachings about liars are?:rotfl2:

[The Third Man]

By your statements you have already shown that you know neither the koran or the bible:har::har::har::har:

So that makes you a liar:yeah:
Can you remind me (when you get a chance to read some scriptures) what exactly the judeo christian teachings about liars are?:rotfl2:

Can you tell me where Mooslemen are allowed to do murder on behalf of their religion?

[Tchocky]

Looking forward to seeing that A380 fly, I wonder if Airbus will ever get it off the ground?

[Takeda Shingen]

Not sure if the Giants have what it takes to win the World Series this year.

[Tribesman]

Can you tell me where Mooslemen are allowed to do murder on behalf of their religion?
murder is prohibited.
So are you going out of your way to demonstrate how much you havn't read?:rotfl2:

[antikristuseke]

Am I the only one who thinks this exchange between the third mand and Tribesman is kind of like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWQoK506xkQ)

[The Third Man]

http://dc201.4shared.com/img/-YUMWS3i/Coexist.pdf

[The Third Man]

Am I the only one who thinks this exchange between the third mand and Tribesman is kind of like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWQoK506xkQ)

One foe at a time. Thank you.

[Takeda Shingen]

Am I the only one who thinks this exchange between the third mand and Tribesman is kind of like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWQoK506xkQ)

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

[antikristuseke]

Just trying to make light of the situation, nothing personal intended to either of you.

[mookiemookie]

Am I the only one who thinks this exchange between the third mand and Tribesman is kind of like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWQoK506xkQ)

Oh my god it's GT in a nutshell.


BRILLIANT! :salute::haha::har::rock::rotfl2:

[nikimcbee]

The KGB agent in me says they did this to themselves to draw attention and get sympathy.

My how times have changed. If this were the 1850s, the feds themselves would have been pursecuting them. (See Mormon history)

The problem is, imo, Islam need to have a refromation and the peaceful believers need to chase out the whack-jobs. We should build a big wall around Afghanistan and create that as the islamoutopia and all the violent ones can live and practice there, with one catch, you leave Afghanistan and bring your faith with you:haha:, we kick yer a$$ and send you back.

[nikimcbee]

Am I the only one who thinks this exchange between the third mand and Tribesman is kind of like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWQoK506xkQ)

:woot::yeah: post of the year.

I'll just add this as a supplement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5kZtwO6DAY

[nikimcbee]

Oh my god it's GT in a nutshell.


BRILLIANT! :salute::haha::har::rock::rotfl2:

:har:
give that kid a....
http://mariopiperni.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Beck_Glenn_GoldCoin.jpg

[Ducimus]

I'll just leave this here:
Family waits to see if mother, accused of blasphemy, will be hanged (http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/18/pakistan.blasphemy/index.html)

[AdeptCharge]

Fascinating read :shifty:

[Ducimus]

Am I the only one who thinks this exchange between the third mand and Tribesman is kind of like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWQoK506xkQ)

This is aguably the funniest thing i've seen all week.

errr, unless you count this (http://sketchysantas.failblog.org/2010/11/17/sketchy-santa-fails-somebody-had-a-little-too-much-eggnog/). Watched that earlier, that was funny too.

[tater]

LOL. That was awesome.

[Tribesman]

I'll just leave this here:

An interesting read indeed, did you spot the really important line?

[Méo]

I'll just leave this here:
Family waits to see if mother, accused of blasphemy, will be hanged (http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/18/pakistan.blasphemy/index.html)

I've always wonder why your media never talk about every immoral things going on in Saudi Arabia???

oh... I guess this helps a lot:

On October 20, 2010, U.S. State Department notified Conress of its intention to make the biggest arms sale in American history - an estimated $60.5 billion purchase by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The package represents a considerable improvement in the offensive capability of the Saudi armed forces.

The U.S. was keen to point out that the arms transfer would increase "interoperability" with U.S. forces. In the 1990-1991 Gulf War, having U.S.-trained Saudi forces, along with military installations built to U.S. specifications, allowed the American armed forces to deploy in a comfortable and familiar battle environment. This new deal would increase these capabilities, as an advanced American military infrastructure is about to be built.

[Buddahaid]

I'll just leave this here:
Family waits to see if mother, accused of blasphemy, will be hanged (http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/18/pakistan.blasphemy/index.html)

....... ..... .... ........ .. . :88) I think we might find some Christian wierdness, as well, if we look hard enoug. Still, this is about fundimentalism within any religeon.

[Skybird]

....... ..... .... ........ .. . :88) I think we might find some Christian wierdness, as well, if we look hard enoug. Still, this is about fundimentalism within any religeon.
The one ideology here commands such wierdness, the other ideology sees such wierdness happening in violation of it's commands for the opposite.

It is pointless to compare Jesus with Muhammad, the four gospels and the sermon on the mount with the Quran and Sharia. The Quran is more openly racist and discriminating and supremacist than it is said Hitler's Mein Kampf is. If wanting to find similiarities, compare Islam to Nationalsocialism and Fascism, then.

Regarding the church and Christian teaching, that again is something different, and they are definitely not the same, although historically associated to be. The acts of the church over history brandmark it as a perversion of the Christian message. However, the ages of the chruch dictatorship and unhidden barbarism are long since gone. Where it violates human dignity today, it does so in a politically more indirect way (no HIV prevention, more population explosion).

"Jesus said: decide! Muhammad said: submit!"

[ReFaN]

lets rename the website to www.politicsandreligionsim.com, all in favour?

[the_tyrant]

lets rename the website to www.politicsandreligionsim.com, all in favour?

:haha:
I have played politics sims before
but a religion sim? I'm looking forward to a pope sim

[MH]

The KGB agent in me says they did this to themselves to draw attention and get sympathy.

My how times have changed. If this were the 1850s, the feds themselves would have been pursecuting them. (See Mormon history)

The problem is, imo, Islam need to have a refromation and the peaceful believers need to chase out the whack-jobs. We should build a big wall around Afghanistan and create that as the islamoutopia and all the violent ones can live and practice there, with one catch, you leave Afghanistan and bring your faith with you:haha:, we kick yer a$$ and send you back.
I like that.
Im not sure UN will aprove this.

[SteamWake]

murder is prohibited.
So are you going out of your way to demonstrate how much you havn't read?:rotfl2:


http://blogpipiatbingi.com/muslim-woman-stoned-to-death-for-adultery/

I guess technically that isnt considered murder.

[MH]

http://blogpipiatbingi.com/muslim-woman-stoned-to-death-for-adultery/

I guess technically that isnt considered murder.

Thats muslim way to get stoned

[krashkart]

Not even going to read beyond the first few posts, just *FACEPALM* to the whole paranoid notion that mosques are a bad thing. Good God almighty, where the hell did we leave our brains?!? I hope this stupid war will end soon so that we can all go back to at least appearing to be calm and rational. :nope:

I'm not sniping at anyone, I'm just fed up with the human race behaving like it's ass is on fire (when in fact it is not). We need better brains. :doh:


:lurk:

[Tribesman]

The problem is, imo, Islam need to have a refromation and the peaceful believers need to chase out the whack-jobs
The problem with reformations is the whack jobs that emerge, just look at Luthers rants about the "evil jews" which are still the staple of "christian" nazis.
Plus of course you forget that the crazy fundies that are the problem in the muslim world are a fairly modern development, they are in a way the reformation, but just like how the schisms in Christianity threw up some real crazy hate filled bastards so did the reformation in Islam.

[AVGWarhawk]

i agree with Tribesman. Get rid of one nut job and another nut job takes his place.