Dont touch my junk

[The Third Man]

Beyond being the new ...don't tase me bro... moment/bumpersticker, now we have this disturbing development.

The TSA’s invasive new screening measures include officers literally putting their hands down people’s pants if they are wearing baggy clothing in a shocking new elevation of groping procedures that have stoked a nationwide revolt against privacy-busting airport security measures.

When he asked what the procedure entailed, the TSA agent responded, “I have to go in your waistband, I have to put my hand down your pants,” after which he did precisely that.

http://www.infowars.com/tsa-now-putting-hands-down-fliers-pants/

[Takeda Shingen]

meh

[The Third Man]

meh

touche'

[Chad]

If this means, when I fly, that I'll be safe, and my family will be safe, then I'll have that hot girl over there do the screening :O:

[The Third Man]

If this means, when I fly, that I'll be safe, and my family will be safe, then I'll have that hot girl over there do the screening :O:

It won't ever be the hot gal. I can assure you of that.

[AVGWarhawk]

It won't ever be the hot gal. I can assure you of that.


For once I agree with TTM! It will someone named Bulla Ballbricker. :o

[tater]

The TSA is pretty absurd. The people they hire look like they'd be a larger threat than many passengers. Half my friends (more?) have Q clearances (heck, got interviewed in the house by an investigator for a friend getting cleared last week). They're gonna get the pat-down from someone in a much tighter financial situation that might be "bought" to look the other way? Guys that deal with designing our defenses and nukes, no less. LOL.

The pilots? Erm, if they want to harm passengers, they are in the cockpit already, they can do like that Egyptian pilot did and crash the plane.

I'm frankly unsure what is to be done. I'd like to see serious studies on the x-ray machines before my kids get scanned repeatedly, for example. What will a pat-down buy some slack-jawed TSA employee find? How much training do they have? As much as a cop doing a search? I think not.

[mookiemookie]

The TSA are incompetent fools. They've never thwarted any plot. They've never stopped any terrorist.

Scary:

Airport security in America is a sham—“security theater” designed to make travelers feel better and catch stupid terrorists. Smart ones can get through security with fake boarding passes and all manner of prohibited items—as our correspondent did with ease.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/11/the-things-he-carried/7057/1/

My favorite part is where the Hezbollah flag and "Osama bin Laden - Hero of Islam" tshirt raised no suspicions.

[AVGWarhawk]

Besides the TSA what does anyone suggest?

[Spike88]

If this means, when I fly, that I'll be safe, and my family will be safe, then I'll have that hot girl over there do the screening :O:
You mean this one?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3jMwjT6XYTIP8zoQHkLlqYg_kATMCL fgqxvVtJre7Md86nof0

[tater]

Note that the airline STILL cannot guarantee that your bags will not have items stolen out of them when checked.

If the BAGS cannot be secure, then why can't terrorists simply sneak bombs in THERE?

Also, and I'm honestly surprised this has not happened, what about the security lines themselves as a target?

Take our ABQ airport. Most all the planes are 737s and smaller. The security line, OTOH, snakes several planes full of passengers through one, large room. By definition, the people in the line have no yet been searched. If a suicide attacker detonated in the middle of the line, he'd get his dearest wish, the murder of countless innocents (for which Allah gives him a nice prize—yeah Islam!). Also, air travel would be just as screwed with all the economic issues that causes.

[The Third Man]

The TSA is pretty absurd. The people they hire look like they'd be a larger threat than many passengers.s a cop doing a search?

Which begs the question. Do the TSA folks who are doing the checks required to submit to the same searches/x-rays/groping as the passengers who they are checking. If not why not? TSA employees are on the new 'airside' now.

[SteamWake]

I heard they are persuing and 'investigation' of this guy.

[Jimbuna]

“This was an assault. This was no different than a sexual assault,” said KTRK Legal Analyst Joel Androphy (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7780727)


Pretty much :yep:


Given the fact that the TSA’s own woeful background checks for their own employees allows rapists and pedophiles to get jobs (http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-gives-rapists-and-illegals-the-green-light-while-groping-children.html) as pat down agents, will you allow TSA workers to put their hands down the pants of your daughter or wife?


Like hell!

I'd rather they didn't fly :nope:

[nikimcbee]

Time to make lemonade....

The new selling point for the next subsim meet:

Fly to the US, get a free hand job!:woot:

[The Third Man]

Time to make lemonade....

The new selling point for the next subsim meet:

Fly to the US, get a free hand job!:woot:

Handy-J is the PC.

[nikimcbee]

Handy-J is the PC.

So that's what kids are calling it these days...

[GoldenRivet]

If this means, when I fly, that I'll be safe, and my family will be safe, then I'll have that hot girl over there do the screening :O:

In all my years in aviation i have not seen her anywhere.:shifty:

[nikimcbee]

I'm just thinking of all of the fun you could have with this.

"So when you're done, do I need to tip?"

"sorry, I left all of my dollar bills at home."

"When you're done, do I get to touch you?"

moan while they frisk you.

If you had a child with you, you could perform a citizens arrest for child pornography, after the scan.


I see a new episode of Bruno coming...
Bruno II: Day at the airports.

http://blogs.pitch.com/wayward/bruno.jpg

[August]

If the BAGS cannot be secure, then why can't terrorists simply sneak bombs in THERE?

They did just that Lockerbie Pan Am bombing.

[The Third Man]

moan while they frisk you.
My favorite.

[TLAM Strike]

If the BAGS cannot be secure, then why can't terrorists simply sneak bombs in THERE?

Honestly I'm surprised they don't just stop and the end of the runway just outside the fence with a van and two guys with automatic weapons then just shoot at the jets as they take off. :hmmm:

[The Third Man]

Truthfully. Profiling and questioning would be more effective, both as a deterent and a point defense than this BS. Frankfurt - Main does it.

[Jimbuna]

The Israelis are probably the best in the world with those techniques....it has worked pretty well for them.

[The Third Man]

I'd rather be profiled and questioned than groped.

[the_tyrant]

this is obviously there to make themselves seem competent
and to make (stupid) people feel secure

[The Third Man]

this is obviously there to make themselves seem competent
and to make (stupid) people feel secure

Amen brother.

[tater]

This is like metal detectors in schools (another idiotic over reaction).

Someone is about to board a plane with a bomb. If the bomb is detected... they blow it up. If they are detected... they blow it up.

Oddly, they are encouraging carry on baggage instead of checked. Why not vastly limit carry-on bags, and scan those, and have huge restrictions (nothing bigger than a large purse or small laptop case) on what can be aboard.

Check everything else, and scan the crap out of it, AND run it past a sniffer.

That combined with locked cockpits eliminates almost all threats.

[nikimcbee]

The Israelis are probably the best in the world with those techniques....it has worked pretty well for them.

Too Jewish, need something more secular.

[tater]

If I see Janet at Christmas I'll ask her about it, you can be sure.

[Sailor Steve]

moan while they frisk you.
My favorite.
I'm not sure I could resist the temptation to put something odorless but squishy down my pants.

[the_tyrant]

I'm not sure I could resist the temptation to put something odorless but squishy down my pants.

Make that odorless and hard:up:

[The Third Man]

You guys think men have no oder? Pheromones.

[Sailor Steve]

No, I meant odorless so the inspector wouldn't detect it until he got his hand on it.

Why do you make things so complicated?

[SteamWake]

Groan and smile seductivly :har:

This whole thing is beyond the pale.

Why inconvience some when we can inconvience all. :salute:

[tater]

While I am willing to take them at their word that the TSA equipment does not save images, what proof do we have that no TSA employee is ever in an image viewing area while in possession of a camera or phone?

I think we need proof that no TSA employees are ever allowed phones in sensitive areas.

[Ducimus]

check out this news report on video.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel/kswb-man-faces-fine-for-refusing-tsa-scan,0,1421539.story

I'm wondering if the TSA uniforms should be brown instead of blue. (godwin?)

[Platapus]

If getting a patdown is the worst indignity you will ever experience in your life, you are lucky.

This is small spuds. I am more concerned with the luggage scanning, which is done.

I do like the idea of severely limiting carry-on luggage. I hate flying with jerks who carry on every single piece of their luggage.

The safest I ever felt flying was when I was in Korea during the Olympics.

The Koreans knew how to run security! Quick, through, and polite. TSA should learn from the Koreans in how to do airline security. :up:

[nikimcbee]

I wonder what would happen if you wore a cup?:hmmm:

[August]

I wonder what would happen if you wore a cup?:hmmm:

Stage 2: Strip search.

[nikimcbee]

Stage 2: Strip search.

queue porno music now....

[SteamWake]

If getting a patdown is the worst indignity you will ever experience in your life, you are lucky.

This is small spuds. I am more concerned with the luggage scanning, which is done.

I do like the idea of severely limiting carry-on luggage. I hate flying with jerks who carry on every single piece of their luggage.

The safest I ever felt flying was when I was in Korea during the Olympics.

The Koreans knew how to run security! Quick, through, and polite. TSA should learn from the Koreans in how to do airline security. :up:

I dont know if I was a buisness traveller it would grow old fast.

This will impact the already struggeling airlines as well.

[Ducimus]

I wonder if they'd bust a person for being a smart ass if they did some .. ehh.. "handsome pelvic thrusting action" while going through the scanner. I mean, hell, if their already viewing you like a freaking peepshow on a redlight district, may as well give em a show! Do an imitation of napoleon dynamite maybe? :haha:


edit: It must be Bad press week for the TSA:
TSA pats down a screaming toddler (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=77140)

Same story, different source with video
TSA Pats Down 3-Year-Old (http://www.newser.com/story/105351/tsa-pats-down-3-year-old.html)

[tater]

The sad thing is that the people we are really concerned with with use a toddler as a bomb without a second thought. AQI used women and children all the time.

I agree that the TSA guys need training. I also want to know how they are background checked. They need to be looked at VERY closely, and more closely than I bet they are. When I go to the airport most of 'em look like they might have worked at ACORN (those ACORN dude will hook you up!).

[FIREWALL]

I hope that little geek gets fined the full extent of the law.

He knew from the gitgo what choices\procedures he would have.

He wanted his few minutes of glory on Utube and is going to pay for it.

We live in dangerous times. Hopefully a better system will come into place.

But until then, this is better than nothing.

[ETR3(SS)]

The sad thing is that the people we are really concerned with with use a toddler as a bomb without a second thought. AQI used women and children all the time.

I agree that the TSA guys need training. I also want to know how they are background checked. They need to be looked at VERY closely, and more closely than I bet they are. When I go to the airport most of 'em look like they might have worked at ACORN (those ACORN dude will hook you up!).TSA is in some part a part of our National Security and as such should be subjected to the same background investigation that the armed forces is subject to. So it is agreed that they should be looked at VERY closely.:yep:

[ETR3(SS)]

I hope that little geek gets fined the full extent of the law.

He knew from the gitgo what choices\procedures he would have.

He wanted his few minutes of glory on Utube and is going to pay for it.

We live in dangerous times. Hopefully a better system will come into place.

But until then, this is better than nothing.I hope he doesn't. In the article he states that he looked it up on the internet as to whether or not they were using the full body scanners. The website said they weren't, so when he got there and they were he objected to it. Had the website been accurate this may not have been an issue as he may not have flown. I base my assumption off of the fact that he actively looked to see if the scanners were in use before he went to the airport.

[Buddahaid]

I really don't give a rat's ass about the images from a body scan. If someone makes a big deal about it in front of me, I'll tell them I'm imagining them naked already anyway! Get over yourselves.

[mookiemookie]

I agree that the TSA guys need training. I also want to know how they are background checked. They need to be looked at VERY closely, and more closely than I bet they are.

A few years back there was a big flap about how the TSA screener turnover rates were so high, and there was so much pressure to fill the positions that they were hiring people and letting them work while waiting on the background check to come in! :dead: I don;t know what the current procedure is, but knowing how mickey mouse the TSA operation is, it's probably still the way things are done.

I hope that little geek gets fined the full extent of the law.

He knew from the gitgo what choices\procedures he would have.

He wanted his few minutes of glory on Utube and is going to pay for it.



BULL! This is the only way things are going to change. Good on him.

[Platapus]

I hope that little geek gets fined the full extent of the law.

He knew from the gitgo what choices\procedures he would have.

He wanted his few minutes of glory on Utube and is going to pay for it.

We live in dangerous times. Hopefully a better system will come into place.

But until then, this is better than nothing.


I think you are right. If it was not for YouTube, people like this would not be quite so rebellious. It is all for their temporary fame. If this guy were seriously concerned, he would be working with the state legislators to get the laws changed.

It is an unfortunate cultural thing these days. These people think that just because they personally don't agree with something, they have a right to make a big scene... and video record it, don't forget, instead of handling it like an adult.

By acting like a spoiled jerk, he lost a lot of credibility for his "cause"... assuming that his cause was something other than "look at me on Youtube".

[Ducimus]

I am glad my air travel days are over with. I hope all the extra BS that isn't making anyone any safer, runs airliners right into bankruptcy. Then they'd HAVE to stop it to get people flying again.

Regardless though, in this aspect of our lives, the terrorists have indeed won.

[FIREWALL]

I hope he doesn't. In the article he states that he looked it up on the internet as to whether or not they were using the full body scanners. The website said they weren't, so when he got there and they were he objected to it. Had the website been accurate this may not have been an issue as he may not have flown. I base my assumption off of the fact that he actively looked to see if the scanners were in use before he went to the airport.

Are you so naive as to believe what "HE" says as Gospell ?

In these times of people filming themselves for Utube running head first into a brick wall to get a moment of fame.

I would've thought you'de be more wary quoteing him.

He knew full well what his motives were.

[FIREWALL]

I am glad my air travel days are over with. I hope all the extra BS that isn't making anyone any safer, runs airliners right into bankruptcy. Then they'd HAVE to stop it to get people flying again.

Regardless though, in this aspect of our lives, the terrorists have indeed won.

NO !!! Your just a bitter LOSER. And a sad one at that. :nope:

[Platapus]

Regardless though, in this aspect of our lives, the terrorists have indeed won.


Yes they have.

Is it not clear that the United States is in a reactionary mode when it comes to these security procedures?

Idiot has bomb in shoe
Therefore Americans have to take off their shoes

Jerk has bomb in his unmentionables
Therefore Americans have to have their junk felt up.

Don't you think the terrorists are watching this. They don't need to actually blow stuff up, all they have to do is make the security process more humiliating.

How much you wanna bet there will be some idiot caught with explosives in their bra. It does not matter that they were caught (they want to be caught). But what is important is that American women who fly will get their boobs felt up more.

The only problem the terrorists have is how far they can this push this envelope. They can't push it too hard or everyone will simply rebel. But if they keep pushing it just a little, they can keep on winning for a long time.

But yeah UBL won. By a single well planned operation involving four aircraft and some jerks willing to die for his stupid cause, look at what UBL got for his "investment"?

The US fragmented politically for almost 10 years and probably longer?
Costly wars that accomplished nothing to fight terrorism?
US in great debt?
American travelers getting felt up on camera?
Strained international relationships which affect other decisions
US losing the moral highground (or at least the fantasy of the moral highground).
Making it easier to recruit more idiots to be UBL's minions
...

I wager that UBL was surprised at how successful this one attack was. A couple months in the planning and 10 + years of result. That's a pretty good ROI.

Why has UBL not tried a serious coordinated attack on the US since? Perhaps UBL reads Napoleon Bonaparte - "Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake".

So, yeah, the terrorists have won and will continue to win as long as we are in this reactionary mode. :yep:

[TLAM Strike]

The Koreans knew how to run security!

I imagine they do after Korean Air Flight 858...

:hmmm:

[Ducimus]

NO !!! Your just a bitter LOSER. And a sad one at that. :nope:

Loser at what? To say one is a bitter loser, is to say they aren't a humble winner. Both of which would insinuate a competion of some sort. So what was I competing in again? Apparently i missed the memo of this alleged contest.

Now while i was only addressing travel, Platapus makes a good overall point. Sad to say, terrorists don't even have to successfully bomb us anymore. Metaphorically speaking, All they have to do, is yell, "BOOO!" and we hit the ceiling like a scared cat.

[Jimbuna]

Well those security people better have warmed hands and well manicured nails if they're going to tinker around with my bits and bobs :DL

[frau kaleun]

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/h7rmo.jpg?w=600&h=2500

[FIREWALL]

Fine. Lets just get rid of all the security. Take your chances then.

I'm sure you'll whine a different tune then. :haha:

[SteamWake]

Regarding the "Rapiscan" company.

As for the company’s other political connections, it also appears that none other than George Soros, the billionaire funder of the country’s liberal political infrastructure, owns 11,300 shares of OSI Systems Inc.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/george-soros-michael-chertoff-profiting-off-controversial-new-tsa-scanners-108194724.html

[tater]

I really don't give a rat's ass about the images from a body scan. If someone makes a big deal about it in front of me, I'll tell them I'm imagining them naked already anyway! Get over yourselves.

To me a requirement that anyone reading the scans not have a camera, and have a serious background check is not so much about the images themselves as proof that the TSA employees are actually more secure than any passenger.

Given their position, they need to be highly vetted, IMHO.

Reminds me of a private school we did not send our kids to. I heard that they made the parents write an essay to get the kids in. My reaction was, "Who is going to grade MY essay? I want proof they are smarter than me first." My wife wondered if her grader would have 3 doctorates to beat her 2. Needless to say, we didn't even bother with that school. Same feeling with TSA. If the employee looks like more of a threat than me, I'm more than a little peeved when they act the way many TSA employees act.

[antikristuseke]

What do you mean by looks like more of a threat? I mean, take me for example, I am above average height and light build, caucasian and usually dress well. I don't appear threatening, but I am also a trained recon infantryman qualified to handle explosives, trained in cqb and knowlegeable about the manufacture of explosives from relatively common materials.
Appearances are not a good way to judge threat levels.

[CCIP]

Well, I think the point is that they can certainly be more reasonable.

For my part, it amazes me to this day that despite being such a customer-service-oriented society, the US does such a bad-looking about-face with security. Honestly, I think the key is not compromising on passenger safety, but really figuring out a way to train their employees to act reasonable, customer-oriented and trustworthy. And select them carefully of course. The TSA is doing massive damage to US tourism and travel because they can't help but be anywhere between mildly unpleasant and downright condescending and threatening. I've seen a bit of improvement this summer when I was traveling, but it's still not enough to convince people that they're not going to have at least an awkward and unpleasant experience at the airport. Very little is being done to address this.

I mean, I speak from experience when I say that this is the kind of 'service' and level of trust to 'security services' you expect when you enter Russia or something...

[tater]

What do you mean by looks like more of a threat? I mean, take me for example, I am above average height and light build, caucasian and usually dress well. I don't appear threatening, but I am also a trained recon infantryman qualified to handle explosives, trained in cqb and knowlegeable about the manufacture of explosives from relatively common materials.
Appearances are not a good way to judge threat levels.

I didn't literally mean "look."

I mean someone who is making a low income, clearly from an inner city, could be BOUGHT to look the other way. Baggage handlers have been stealing for years, for example. If they are willing to steal, they likely take money to do other things (and are clearly not well picked, since CRIMINALS are on the job, actively stealing).

Since they can't even sort out criminals, how can we be sure they have sorted out terrorists?

[Ducimus]

Well, I think the point is that they can certainly be more reasonable.

For my part, it amazes me to this day that despite being such a customer-service-oriented society, the US does such a bad-looking about-face with security. Honestly, I think the key is not compromising on passenger safety, but really figuring out a way to train their employees to act reasonable, customer-oriented and trustworthy. And select them carefully of course. The TSA is doing massive damage to US tourism and travel because they can't help but be anywhere between mildly unpleasant and downright condescending and threatening. I've seen a bit of improvement this summer when I was traveling, but it's still not enough to convince people that they're not going to have at least an awkward and unpleasant experience at the airport. Very little is being done to address this.

I mean, I speak from experience when I say that this is the kind of 'service' and level of trust to 'security services' you expect when you enter Russia or something...


Ouch! If that is true, then it speaks volumes.

[CCIP]

Well, to their credit, the TSA/Homeland Security/Customs do seem to be decently paid and not asking for bribes, which you can't say for Russian security. Otherwise, yeah, on average encounters with them feel roughly similar - which is to say pretty routine and unpleasant, until you bump into some jerk who decides that you're trouble and just won't let you go until chewing on you for a bit and possibly physically harassing you and rummaging through your belongings, then making you put them back together with 100 people around you watching you fumble with your formerly-neatly-packed underwear.

Alright, I'm gonna stop with these thoughts as I have to take 4 separate flights to/in the US within the next month. And that's even though I totally love airports and flying, other than security/customs :damn:

[Wolfehunter]

I'll walk or drive or use a boat... They're not touching me.. .. They can keep here ****ty planes.. :nope:

[tater]

http://drudgereport.com/flash9p.htm

Penn Jillette a few years ago after a pat down. Pure gold.

[Jimbuna]

So what happened when he flew the following Sunday?

Was she there?

What was the 'pleasurable experience?

:DL

[August]

So what happened when he flew the following Sunday?

Was she there?

What was the 'pleasurable experience?

:DL

Yeah I was wondering that as well!

[tater]

The TSA has proved itself to be very reactive. Shoe bomber attempt... ban amounts of stuff that would fit in a shoe, and inspect shoes. Underwear bomber? Naked scanners (that would not have detected that bomb, anyway, apparently).

A Saudi prince in charge of ant-terrorism, Muhammad bin Nayef bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud, was attacked by an AQ suicide bomber, Abdullah Hassan Al Aseery... the latter rammed his bomb up his own ass to hide it.

If someone tried this (even a bomb that didn't work) on an AIRPLANE, what would the TSA solution be? Cavity searches? CT scans?

[The Third Man]

Don't tell me this isn't out of control. Even a three year old girl knows it isn't right. It just isn't right.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5cf_1289804177

[Ducimus]

A Saudi prince in charge of ant-terrorism, Muhammad bin Nayef bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud, was attacked by an AQ suicide bomber, Abdullah Hassan Al Aseery... the latter rammed his bomb up his own ass to hide it.

If someone tried this (even a bomb that didn't work) on an AIRPLANE, what would the TSA solution be? Cavity searches? CT scans?

Obligatory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEJ7AjQnfbc

[The Third Man]

More abuse by Janet, appointed by Obama, Napalotano.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhkQoiaf7Uc&feature=player_embedded

[Ducimus]

Florida airport to opt out of TSA screening (http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-in-national/florida-airport-to-opt-out-of-tsa-screening)

[The Third Man]

Florida airport to opt out of TSA screening (http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-in-national/florida-airport-to-opt-out-of-tsa-screening)

It is nothing more than bleed over from the Nov. 2 election. The fantasy is over and most Americans want Obama gone ASAP.

[tater]

You know what's funny, seeing all the pictures of TSA guys wearing gloves while patting down.

You see people gloved up in food service as well these days.

It's a perfect example of idiotic government. Some pol (a lawyer, like 90+ % of them) decided that gloves make it safe!

TSA employee reaches inside MY clothes, they need to have FRESH gloves on. Using the same glove on 2 people is like using the same NEEDLE on 2 people. Gloves are only hygienic when used the way DOCS use them. They were technology taken from medicine, but used by morons.

If the trash cans next to security are not FILLED with gloves, the TSA guys are not using gloves properly.

Same is true in food service, BTW, you see people wearing gloves... if they touch anything touched by a person, or even their own nose, etc—reglove, or the entire glove exercise is pointless.

[nikimcbee]

This thought hit me today while I was driving.

With all this stuff going on with TSA, I want to change one thing for the situation: Instead of obama and incompetano, insert Bush and Ashcroft.

Now watch the fur fly about civil rights.

We will never be able to fix out security issues while we're shakled by PCness. We need to vote the chumps outta office that promote all of this BS and get some sort of tort reform to neuter the ACLU with. Then we might have a secure nation.

The thing that pisses me off the most about all this, the religion that has caused all of this is moving to be exempted from the searches!!!!:stare:

The only people that wins in all of this is the lawyers. So I purpose a 99% tax on trial laywer earnings to pay for kiddy health insurance.

[nikimcbee]

So that's where the remote went!:hmmm::har:
http://drudgereport.com/tsa3.jpg

OOps, my bad, wrong thread....or is it?

[August]

...or the entire glove exercise is pointless.

Well not completely.

It does keep the TSA agents hands clean, which is what I suspect they really wear them for. Like someone working with lots of money might wear gloves to keep their hands from getting dirty.

[Takeda Shingen]

So that's where the remote went!:hmmm::har:
http://drudgereport.com/tsa3.jpg

OOps, my bad, wrong thread....or is it?

Eww. Guy looks like he's really putting some torque into that.

[nikimcbee]

Eww. Guy looks like he's really putting some torque into that.

...and he's smiling:o.

[Takeda Shingen]

Keep him away from my crotch. I think I'll take the train.

[mookiemookie]

So that's where the remote went!:hmmm::har:
http://drudgereport.com/tsa3.jpg


"Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler..."

[nikimcbee]

I don't know why I thought of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt9IdPttScQ

:har:

[Schöneboom]

Here's an excerpt from one of my favorite books; the person quoted was a colleague of the author at the University of Frankfurt. Regarding the gradual onset of tyranny:

“It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked – if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in '43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in '33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jew swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in – your nation, your people – is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.”

-- "They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45" by Milton Sanford Meyer

[Takeda Shingen]

Here's an excerpt from one of my favorite books; the person quoted was a colleague of the author at the University of Frankfurt. Regarding the gradual onset of tyranny:

“It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked – if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in '43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in '33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jew swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in – your nation, your people – is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.”

-- "They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45" by Milton Sanford Meyer

I am curious: As on outsider looking in, do you see us (The United States) going in this direction?

[tater]

Well not completely.

It does keep the TSA agents hands clean, which is what I suspect they really wear them for. Like someone working with lots of money might wear gloves to keep their hands from getting dirty.

Win!

Yeah, it's to protect THEM from US. Meanwhile, they spread disease to everyone they touch.

That's government service for ya!

[Platapus]

well if your job required you to touch the public, would you not want to have gloves?

A lot of people seem to think that the TSA screeners like this. I garner they don't like this any more than the passengers do.

[frau kaleun]

"Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler..."

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[Ducimus]

TSA employee reaches inside MY clothes, they need to have FRESH gloves on. Using the same glove on 2 people is like using the same NEEDLE on 2 people. .

Tater, I believe their gloves fall under the category, of "personal protective equipment". Your well being isn't what is concerning them.

[August]

well if your job required you to touch the public, would you not want to have gloves?

A lot of people seem to think that the TSA screeners like this. I garner they don't like this any more than the passengers do.

Good point. The screeners are only doing what they are ordered to do but that tends to make them the focus of much of the anger.

[tater]

Tater, I believe their gloves fall under the category, of "personal protective equipment". Your well being isn't what is concerning them.

Yeah, I know. OSHA is only for protecting the WORKER, not the customer.

The trouble is that in this case, they are getting so invasive that a medical standard needs to be met. They are touching countless people, from all over the world. This is a significant public health issue.

YOu can be damn sure that they'll put fresh gloves on to pat down anyone in MY family (or i'll be another of these guys on TV).

The other really crappy thing is that they don't collect the passenger's belongings and put them next to him/her while being patted down. I don't want by stuff sitting on a table to be snatched while I get a pat down. It's not much to ask that they take the person to the pat down area with the plastic bins of their stuff.

[Ducimus]

A thought just occured to me. Is it a far stretch to say, the way this TSA thing is going, that before too long well have some guy asking for our papers? You know the cliche...

"Papers... papers please".

[August]

Yeah, I know. OSHA is only for protecting the WORKER, not the customer.

The trouble is that in this case, they are getting so invasive that a medical standard needs to be met. They are touching countless people, from all over the world. This is a significant public health issue.

That might be a strong argument to change the practice but isn't that already addressed by the full body scanners?

[tater]

Yeah, though the health effects of the x-ray versions needs to be established. If I flew a lot, I'd be concerned about it I think.

It's a cost-benefit thing in the long run. If we go for 10 years without an air-terror attack, but we have excess deaths due to spread disease, skin cancer, or whatever, then I suppose you need to compare that with prevented attacks. Course you'll never know how many were deterred.

I don't think the TSA thing is easy by any stretch, but I think they need to realize PR and customer relations matters.

Every TSA employee needs to keep two things in mind at the workplace:

1. The people they are checking are their customers.

2. Those same people (if US citizens) are also THEIR EMPLOYERS.

So you have to pat someone down, treat them as if it was the boss's wife, or face the consequences.

[tater]

Out of the park with 3 men on base...

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/253550/don-t-touch-my-junk-charles-krauthammer

...
Don’t touch my junk is the anthem of the modern man, the Tea Party patriot, the late-life libertarian, the midterm-election voter. Don’t touch my junk, Obamacare — get out of my doctor’s examining room; I’m wearing a paper-thin gown slit down the back. Don’t touch my junk, Google — Street View is cool, but get off my street. Don’t touch my junk, you airport-security goon — my package belongs to no one but me, and do you really think I’m a Nigerian nut job preparing for my 72-virgin orgy by blowing my johnson to kingdom come?
...


Gotta love Krauthammer.

[CCIP]

Out of the park with 3 men on base...

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/253550/don-t-touch-my-junk-charles-krauthammer



Gotta love Krauthammer.
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Ok, I gotta admit that was pretty brilliantly written.

Wonder if the phrase will indeed stick and the tide is turning like he says, though.

[Jimbuna]

http://drudgereport.com/tsa3.jpg

"So this is where my wife dropped her wedding ring"

[The Third Man]

Top 10 Things NOT To Say During TSA Pat-Down (http://grandrants.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/top-10-things-not-to-say-during-tsa-pat-down/)



10.) Who me? Oh, I’m not actually going anywhere. But it’s been months since I’ve been on a date and…

9.) I’m ready, babe, and my seatback and tray tables are in their full upright position, if you get my drift.

8.) What do you say we get a couple of Long Island Iced Teas and then get down to business here?

7.) A little more to the left, please… Oh, gaaawwd that’s good!

6.) I think I’m gonna need a paper towel when you’re done.

5.) Oh yes… yesss… YES!!!!!!! (Sigh…) Hey, was it good for you, too?

4.) I just want to know one thing: Will you still respect me when you’re
done?

3.) Ashes to ashes…dust to dust… if you know what’s best, get your hands off my bust!

2.) Oh, I’m ready, all right… I’m traveling commando, if you know what I mean…

1.) How much extra for the Happy Ending?


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[AVGWarhawk]

If you ask me the media has blown this way out of proportion. If you refuse the body scan machine then you are subject to a pat down. If you refuse the pat down you are not allowed to board. You are subject to random pat downs.

I had friends leave BWI airport yesterday. No problem at all.

Personally I do not think the TSA is doing enough. Every notice the knee jerk over-reaction AFTER the friggin fact?

[Jimbuna]

How much extra for the Happy Ending?



ROFLMAO :rotfl2: