SH5 Constant Connection Requirement Dropped [Archive]

Takeda Shingen

11-12-10, 01:35 PM

So......I was transiting the Kiel Canal early this morning when I bumped my wireless router reaching for some tea, which unfortunately unplugged the adapter and caused me to lose internet connection. Windows started screaming about a connection vanishing, and things went wonky. The funny thing is that I went back to close SH5, figuring that I'd have that 'Connection to Server Lost' message, only to find that the game was still running as normal.

I thought it was odd, so I closed my internet connection and tried to start SH5. No dice. Then I reopened my connection, and all was normal. I minimized the game and closed the connection again. Once again, the game was running without connection to the server. What I am saying is that it would appear that I have to syncrhonize with the server while loading the game and saving, but am no longer required to be connected to the server during the entire play session. This would seem to indicate that there was a change made to the server.

Anyone else have luck with this?

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UPDATE: 12/31/10: PC Gamer reports Constant net connection no longer required for Ubisoft games (http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/12/31/constant-net-connection-no-longer-required-for-ubisoft-games/)

UPDATE 1/4/11: Appears Ubisoft has removed Removes Constant Online Authentication DRM For PC Games (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32261/Ubisoft_Removes_Constant_Online_Authentication_DRM _For_PC_Games.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GamasutraNews+%28Gamasutra+Ne ws%29)

Ubisoft has eliminated its controversial PC DRM technology that required players to remain connected to the internet in order to play the company's games, enabling consumers to play many 2010 titles offline for the first time.

SteamWake

11-12-10, 01:54 PM

Interesting... how long were you able to play without a connection?

BigBANGtheory

11-12-10, 01:56 PM

Well the client appears to be updated every couple of months, I would imagine the server gives the client a Time To Live and if it doesnt re-certify within that time or something close to it the game shuts down.

The servers couldn't handle constant polling there must be a pause a little like Windows checking for updates with Microsoft.

TBH I've not found the DRM to be much of a problem including the occasional disconnect from my ISP, though I do appreciate others have legitimate circustances where its totally unacceptable.

tonschk

11-12-10, 01:59 PM

Yes , I can play now Silent Hunter 5 without internet connection

Takeda Shingen

11-12-10, 03:00 PM

Interesting... how long were you able to play without a connection?

I played for about an hour before I turned it off. :up: Played again for awhile just now, same deal. It seems safe to say that you no longer have to be online the entire time to play SH5. All that is required is the authentication at startup. This is fabulous news for our members will slower or less-stable internet connections.

EDIT: I've now played for nearly three full hours without an internet connection, and without waiting to be synched.

[501]Otto

11-12-10, 04:01 PM

Any problem saving the game? :06: I mean, I know that you can save in your own HD (selecting it on the launcher at the beggining of the game launcher load), but what does it happen if your internet connection fails in the middle of the patrol? You can keep on sinking, but once you finish....do you have your achieved goals saved?

Webster

11-12-10, 04:21 PM

since saves are also kept at ubi on their servers you would need to connect to update the saves there so without connecting you wouldnt get the saves backed up at ubi but for me anyways thats no big deal.

i wouldnt go celebrating yet thou since they may be doing things as tests for the future when they do away with the drm so this play without connection may be a temperary glitch that will be fixed soon.

the_tyrant

11-12-10, 04:27 PM

Finally, DRM has been dropped :yeah:
But why didn't Ubisoft tell us anything?

SeaWolf U-57

11-12-10, 04:27 PM

It has been stated by ms-Kleaneasy the Ubisoft silent hunter 5 UK Forum Manager
that you need an internet connection to initially log into the game and once you have
you don't then need to be connected.
But there is no mention if one is needed when ending the game :hmmm:

Jimbuna

11-12-10, 04:28 PM

That's interesting....I've never noticed but will try it out tomorrow :up:

[501]Otto

11-12-10, 05:53 PM

since saves are also kept at ubi on their servers you would need to connect to update the saves there so without connecting you wouldnt get the saves backed up at ubi but for me anyways thats no big deal.

But you can choose to save in your own Hard Drive. When the Game Launcher is loading, you can click here and choose to save in your PC, as you can see on the pic (sorry, it is on spanish)
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9219/savedu.jpg
Maybe, even saving in your PC, once you quit from the game it sincronizes your saved with the ubi server....:hmmm:

THE_MASK

11-12-10, 06:36 PM

This is a big step forward for SH5 . Maybe Neal can advertise it on the subsim front page .

Madox58

11-12-10, 06:54 PM

This is a big step forward for SH5

They had to do something!
Getting kicked in the 'Nads' becomes old after awhile.
:oops:
Even for a Big corporation!
(And SH5 is not the only Game involved)

But I'll not say 'Way to go Ubi!'
I said that way back when SH5 was released.
:nope:

GT182

11-12-10, 09:53 PM

They had to do something!
Getting kicked in the 'Nads' becomes old after awhile.
:oops:

Well to tell he truth, I believe they like getting kick in the nads. If they didn't they wouldn't be screwing around with DRMs and keeping an eye on you the way they are.

:hmmm: I also wonder if they trust one another at the UBI head office.

Madox58

11-12-10, 10:40 PM

keeping an eye on you
They haven't been able to do that from the get go.
:haha:

Next thing I expect?
Official responce from Ubi that SkidRow stuff is the recommended fix!
:nope:

Of course followed by a New release with Non-DRM that you can buy.
;)

Putting glitter on a Dog Turd does not make it a Christmas Ornament.
No matter how you try to sell it.
:har:

Zedi

11-13-10, 03:07 AM

Not sure what are guys talkin about, but drm is required here. Just checked right now, game dont even start if I plug out the net connection. False alarm or ... you all play the pirated version :D

janh

11-13-10, 04:22 AM

Finally, DRM has been dropped :yeah:
But why didn't Ubisoft tell us anything?

"DRM has been dropped" would be different, i.e. being able to install and start as well without connection to their server. But this definitely is a step forward.

stoppro

11-13-10, 05:06 AM

I'm playing right now and the saving screen still comes up while i am playing and when it does the modem starts flashing so I guess we still have drm

Takeda Shingen

11-13-10, 08:13 AM

Not sure what are guys talkin about, but drm is required here. Just checked right now, game dont even start if I plug out the net connection. False alarm or ... you all play the pirated version :D

Who said that DRM was removed? You are required to be connected to the server at startup. After that, the connection is no longer required. This is a change to the previous policy, and no claims other than that have been made.

It is, as sober said, a big step in the right direction.

Jimbuna

11-13-10, 08:17 AM

Who said that DRM was removed? You are required to be connected to the server at startup. After that, the connection is no longer required. This is a change to the previous policy, and no claims other than that have been made.

I agree...just tried mine and it is as you stated earlier....after start up no internet connection was required to continue gameplay http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

Zedi

11-13-10, 09:48 AM

I still fail to understand whats the big news here. Constant or not, you still need to be online to play the game, so in my point of view nothing changed.

_alphaBeta_

11-13-10, 10:10 AM

Can anyone direct me to Ubi's DRM plans for the future? Ten years from now, will SH5 still need Ubi's servers? What happens if Ubi goes out of business etc.?

Takeda Shingen

11-13-10, 12:06 PM

I still fail to understand whats the big news here. Constant or not, you still need to be online to play the game, so in my point of view nothing changed.

People who do not have stable or speedy internet connections can now play SH5. That may not be a big deal to you, but it is to a lot of others.

Takeda Shingen

11-13-10, 12:07 PM

Can anyone direct me to Ubi's DRM plans for the future? Ten years from now, will SH5 still need Ubi's servers? What happens if Ubi goes out of business etc.?

DRM will be patched out if the servers are discontinued.

Sailor Steve

11-13-10, 12:08 PM

But those with no internet connection are still forbidden to play the game they bought.

Takeda Shingen

11-13-10, 12:10 PM

But those with no internet connection are still forbidden to play the game they bought.

Correct. You are also not able to play the game if you do not own a computer or have electric service.

Zedi

11-13-10, 12:38 PM

Correct. You are also not able to play the game if you do not own a computer or have electric service.

Epic! :haha:

THE_MASK

11-13-10, 03:14 PM

Correct. You are also not able to play the game if you do not own a computer or have electric service.
What , you mean if i am amish i cannot play SH5 .

Harmsway!

11-13-10, 03:15 PM

This is much like Steam games where you initially have to connect but then you can play offline. Much nicer. Once your on no worries of getting bumped in the heat of battle. Yes I say this is big.

Madox58

11-13-10, 06:51 PM

Incase anyone wonders the Glittering Dog Turd means the DRM.
Not SH5 itself!
I can still see MANY great things to come with SH5.
:yep:

Sailor Steve

11-13-10, 07:32 PM

Correct. You are also not able to play the game if you do not own a computer or have electric service.
True, but the game company doesn't dictate that. You may not, but I see a difference.

Madox58

11-13-10, 07:46 PM

True, but the game company doesn't dictate that. You may not, but I see a difference.

Well the Game Company has dictated what your system specs are.
And the economy being what it is ?
They shot themselves in the damned foot!
If an option to allow older systems to at lest run the Game for
modding reasons was included?
There would have been things released awhile back.

As for Amish not useing electricity?
That is a myth.
They have ways around that issue.
Why do all the Amish woodshops around me have CNC equipment?
:o

Takeda Shingen

11-13-10, 10:44 PM

True, but the game company doesn't dictate that. You may not, but I see a difference.

It was no secret that Silent Hunter 5 was going to ship with a digital rights management program that would require a constant internet connection. You are a great guy, one of the best contributors that this website had ever seen, someone that has my unquestioned respect, and someone that I consider a friend but if you bought the game expecting anything else, that is on you, not them. UbiSoft were very clear ahead of time.

Sailor Steve

11-13-10, 11:17 PM

I fully agree, and I didn't buy it. As I've said, I will gladly pay full price, warts, flaws and all, once the DRM is completely and officially removed.

My comments are strictly limited to the concept of anyone selling a product and requiring that you jump through hoops to use it. I don't see having to upgrade the computer in the same light, since newer and better requires more from the machine by nature. DRM is not nature, but dictation. They did that because they could, not because it was necessary.

Ships-R-Us

11-13-10, 11:23 PM

Correct. You are also not able to play the game if you do not own a computer or have electric service.

KUDOS Takeda:salute:

Webster

11-14-10, 12:56 AM

Otto;1534384']But you can choose to save in your own Hard Drive. When the Game Launcher is loading, you can click here and choose to save in your PC, as you can see on the pic (sorry, it is on spanish)

Maybe, even saving in your PC, once you quit from the game it sincronizes your saved with the ubi server....:hmmm:

well thats what i was getting at, there have been times when your hard drive saves are corrupted by merging with the ubi saves and vice versa.

i have read a few posts where keeping seperate saves caused issues but maybe that isnt the case anymore :06:

Webster

11-14-10, 01:01 AM

I still fail to understand whats the big news here. Constant or not, you still need to be online to play the game, so in my point of view nothing changed.

for some of us we can connect but "maintaining" a perminent good connection was not always possible so for those who had this problem this new developement means much less agravation and to some it means they can now buy the game since it doesnt require the perminent constant connection

Webster

11-14-10, 01:02 AM

Correct. You are also not able to play the game if you do not own a computer or have electric service.

that sounds very unfair, someone should complain about that :hmmm:

tonschk

11-14-10, 08:37 AM

Correct. You are also not able to play the game if you do not own a computer or have electric service.

UBISOFT Force the Silent Hunter players to have a computer and a constant Electric Service :nope: , This is unacceptable :down: we must complain :woot:

elanaiba

11-14-10, 10:02 AM

Well I was against SH5 requiring electricity, but they wouldn't listen to me.

Steve: Cheers mate, I know how you feel :)

janh

11-14-10, 01:28 PM

UBISOFT Force the Silent Hunter players to have a computer and a constant Electric Service :nope: , This is unacceptable :down: we must complain :woot:

Really smart statement, and so unbelievably funny... Steve just has higher standards than all of us. I fully understand him, and fully support him. Having certain principles doesn't justify ridiculing him.

Jimbuna

11-14-10, 03:23 PM

Really smart statement, and so unbelievably funny... Steve just has higher standards than all of us. I fully understand him, and fully support him. Having certain principles doesn't justify ridiculing him.

I shouldn't imagine such a statement from that particular poster will phase Steve any if at all.

It's not as if there isn't a history of unquestionnable support in existence already.

Capt. Morgan

11-14-10, 03:55 PM

:woot:
Today was the first time I've ever bothered to look up the required specs for SH5, and I've even looked up the prices in my local shops.

I'm surprised UBI hasn't publicised this change.

Madox58

11-14-10, 04:14 PM

I'm surprised UBI hasn't publicised this change.

What, and admit they shot themselves in the foot?
:o

This harkens back to thier 'Fix' for StarForce in SH3.
(Which they STILL indorse!)
Use the ReLoaded HACK!
Not they they are selling a StarForce free version or anything.
Why did they never release THOSE key files free to legit users?

flag4

11-14-10, 04:28 PM

...i just hope ubi sets the game free. im loittering on the sidelines, fingers itching at my wallet. i have a motherboard that can take another cpu - and with what ive got + my new graphics card i will have enough power to run SH5.
the graphics make me ache with longing. i no very little about the state of play because i have no experience of it personally, though i do read the threads. im thinking/hoping another 12 months for drm + glitches to be sorted out - if so, im in.
its a bit like waiting for ther fall of The Berlin Wall, once its down traffic will flow with greater ease.

£9.99 on amazon
in Game in my town its in the rack for 2Games4 £15.

would sales increase without drm - a little maybe, AND it must be costing ubi a chunk to run the servers?

there is a dog owner near me, she keeps it on one of those extendable leads. in the two years ive been here ive never seen it off the lead. but im guessing it does'nt know any better, so maybe its happy!

vanjast

11-14-10, 04:43 PM

This is the first time I've popped into this forum for monthhhhsss.
Nothings changed wrt SH5... Funny thing is that I don't even miss it, maybe if DRM had to dissapear, I might miss it, maybe... depends

Capt. Morgan

11-14-10, 05:16 PM

What, and admit they shot themselves in the foot?
:o

This harkens back to thier 'Fix' for StarForce in SH3.
(Which they STILL indorse!)
Use the ReLoaded HACK!
Not they they are selling a StarForce free version or anything.
Why did they never release THOSE key files free to legit users?

I know, but what's the point of making an improvement to a product if you don't tell anyone about it? That's what surprises me. Since they've already admitted to the foot-shooting by making this change, why not capitalize on it.

With their record of horrible customer relations, you'd think they'd welcome an opportunity to show (or at least claim) that they've changed.

janh

11-15-10, 04:58 AM

I shouldn't imagine such a statement from that particular poster will phase Steve any if at all. It's not as if there isn't a history of unquestionnable support in existence already.

Right, I should have put it more general -- it wasn't meant particularly about any one person, but ridiculing anybody is surely not making this forum more appealing to outside readers.

SeaWolf U-57

11-15-10, 05:37 AM

Right, I should have put it more general -- it wasn't meant particularly about any one person, but ridiculing anybody is surely not making this forum more appealing to outside readers.

I don’t think you can make a statement like this in any one thread contained in the SH5 Forums.
Just take a look at about 90% of all the threads the continuous scraping between Members and the
slamming of this product has taken a huge toll on the Silent Hunter Forums as a whole.
Just take a look at the viewing numbers on most sites and see how much of a drop they are suffering.
If you don’t use something and have no intention of buying it or even that your computer cannot run it how can you think that any comment you make about it is a valid comment in the first place this should be the Question. :hmmm:

janh

11-15-10, 07:15 AM

I don’t think you can make a statement like this in any one thread contained in the SH5 Forums. Just take a look at about 90% of all the threads the continuous scraping between Members and the slamming of this product has taken a huge toll on the Silent Hunter Forums as a whole. Just take a look at the viewing numbers on most sites and see how much of a drop they are suffering.

That's the only reason for my original comment. I have been following subsim since 2002, or 2003 (I don't recall, maybe even before), and most intensely after jumping into SHIII. But you might be right, the tone at subsim has changed over the years. I don't embrace that, though. It is still an enjoyable forum. But I start to regret my original post -- should I better have sit back and watch the show unfold again, as in so many previous threads?

If you don’t use something and have no intention of buying it or even that your computer cannot run it how can you think that any comment you make about it is a valid comment in the first place this should be the Question. :hmmm:

I am convinced it will run it one day (soon?) -- else I would not be coming to this forum and watch how the modding community makes progress. So I do have plans to buy it, but I have decided to wait primarily to until the modding has made so much progress that it can surpass the supermodded SHIII I got so used to. But this doesn't change my opinion that ridiculing and all this kind of discussion (this as well), doesn't make this forum any better.

Seeadler

11-15-10, 07:41 AM

Not they they are selling a StarForce free version or anything.
Why did they never release THOSE key files free to legit users?

They did, since years here in Germany the budget version of SH3 is still patched to 1.4 and starforce-free, but Ubisoft has never announced it to the public:D

Takeda Shingen

11-15-10, 10:30 AM

Really smart statement, and so unbelievably funny... Steve just has higher standards than all of us. I fully understand him, and fully support him. Having certain principles doesn't justify ridiculing him.

janh, I was teasing a friend of mine. I am sorry that you found it offensive, but you are making mountains out of molehills.

janh

11-15-10, 10:47 AM

janh, I was teasing a friend of mine. I am sorry that you found it offensive, but you are making mountains out of molehills.

You are right, I probably got overly annoyed with some posts, sorry.

Captn Wilhelm

11-15-10, 11:36 AM

any plans on them finishing the game with a patch or just toying with their silly anti-pirate technology?

would have been nice for ubi to spend as much time on their content as they did they're protections.. :nope:

bring back relic and barking dog studios, my $.02.

BigBANGtheory

11-15-10, 01:55 PM

Just think how better the product could be if they invested in the ultimate anti-piracy measure...a well written and thorough manual.

But I digress, Privateer has it right when he points out they shot themselves in the foot. Though look at it more as having shot themselves in the the left-foot whilst currently aiming at the righ-foot.

Whatever happens UBIsoft is a tarnished brand, in my eyes it will take them years if ever to recover from this.

flag4

11-15-10, 02:05 PM

mookiemookie

11-15-10, 03:01 PM

Whatever happens UBIsoft is a tarnished brand, in my eyes it will take them years if ever to recover from this.

Agreed. I will not buy any more Ubisoft products.

Sailor Steve

11-15-10, 03:18 PM

I don’t think you can make a statement like this in any one thread contained in the SH5 Forums.
Just take a look at about 90% of all the threads the continuous scraping between Members and the
slamming of this product has taken a huge toll on the Silent Hunter Forums as a whole.
Just take a look at the viewing numbers on most sites and see how much of a drop they are suffering.
If you don’t use something and have no intention of buying it or even that your computer cannot run it how can you think that any comment you make about it is a valid comment in the first place this should be the Question. :hmmm:
I've actually spent most of my time mitigating between the absolute haters and the absolute lovers, and I have never condemned SH5 - just the DRM part. Regarding your last sentence, I have every intention of buying it, even though my current computer probably will not run it. I bought SH4 knowing I couldn't play it right away, as I was homeless at the time and couldn't play anything. Since this is a thread stating that part of the DRM has been dropped, and my only comment was that I wouldn't buy it until they completely and officially removed the DRM. Considering those circumstances, do you still think my comments are invalid?

BigBANGtheory

11-15-10, 03:37 PM

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i dont think they give a ....!

i dont think they realise, brand awareness is a powerful thing you just have to look at Apple, Star Wars or Armani as examples.

i think they believe they have gotten away with it on the basis that other product lines have done rather well.

truth is I didn't buy AssCreed or SplinterCell:CV despite having an interest in them I thought 'nah its UBIsoft, best not'. Thats not me being an ass or overly bitter about SH5 it just an opinion a thought that steers me away.

It makes me sad because I see such potential, and real genius behind SH5 its not a million miles away from being Game of the Year, the fundementals are there.

if I was an UBI exec I would be worried because I play a lot of games and I pay for them and I am likely to be one of many.

it will cost them a lot more than the commision of the purchase price of one consumer trust me, people maybe selfish and greedy but they aren't stupid.

It makes me sad to see things this way SH5 is not a million miles away from Game of the Year, there is some real genious and hard work behind it, it just needs to blossom....

Seeadler

11-15-10, 06:19 PM

If you look at the install folder of the Ubisoft Launcher

C:\Program Files (x86)\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher\data\

it contains in the SH5 folder \3 a subfolder called \osis\13

this folder containing newer versions of some SH5 dll's (date: 14.10.2010) probably installed by one of the last Launcher updates.

The launcher software, which manage the permanent internet connection of Ubi's DRM games, now calls functions from those dll's instead of those original ones in the SH5 install folder.

If you rename this /osis folder and start SH5, the original dlls from the SH5 folder are used and then SH5 needs again a persistent online connection.:D

Grifty_mcgrift

11-15-10, 09:00 PM

Jimbuna

11-16-10, 09:42 AM

janh, I was teasing a friend of mine. I am sorry that you found it offensive, but you are making mountains out of molehills.

There must be some misunderstanding here Tak....janh response @ #41 and mine @ #42 were in response to #39 :DL

Either that or I'm experiencing a 'sober' moment :doh:

Takeda Shingen

11-16-10, 10:58 AM

There must be some misunderstanding here Tak....janh response @ #41 and mine @ #42 were in response to #39 :DL

Either that or I'm experiencing a 'sober' moment :doh:

Well then my bad. I may have misunderstood and now it is I that owe the apology. Sorry janh.

Sober!?!!? You?!?!?! After 1500? Right. :O:

Jimbuna

11-16-10, 11:50 AM

Well then my bad. I may have misunderstood and now it is I that owe the apology. Sorry janh.

Sober!?!!? You?!?!?! After 1500? Right. :O:

LOL :DL

Oh I wish :03:

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/2884/drunkcob.gif

Penguin

11-17-10, 09:00 AM

I've tried asking Ubisoft if they have altered the DRM so that it doesn't require a constant internet connection, but they tell me that the DRM hasn't changed. So I'm not sure what to make of it. I guess it is a step in the right direction, but I'm still on the fence.

I've wanted SH5 since I heard of it, but then the DRM stuff started and really turned me off. Then all the problems with the game surfaced and I wasn't so sad about missing out. But now that I hear there is a mega mod coming out for it, that it would appear a constant internet connection is no longer required, and the price is at $10 on amazon, I'm really struggling with the decision. Do I give in to ubisoft? Should I wait until ubisoft offically patches out any trace of the DRM (whenever that is)? I just don't know what to do.

Stay strong!
I have a dream:
That in the second Ubi drops their idiotic DRM 100s of people instantly buy SH5 to set an example of customer power.
I know this won't happen :wah: but us two and Steve makes at least 3 people who would try to make a stand :03: - I hope there's more out there.
So the profit margin Ubi makes from the product is lower then, tough **** - they should have done so before.

vanjast

11-18-10, 06:13 AM

Stay strong!
That in the second Ubi drops their idiotic DRM 100s of people instantly buy SH5 to set an example of customer power.
I'll buy it as soon as DRM dissapears, as I have faith in the MOD community to make it a good sim... till then my wallet is as tight as a virg... oops Cannot say that here. :hugegrin:

bocheetus

11-18-10, 07:37 AM

Privateer wrote-

Putting glitter on a Dog Turd does not make it a Christmas Ornament.
No matter how you try to sell it.
:har:

I think your wrong here. I think if you put glitter on a dog turd, put one of those hooker deals on it. I'm afraid it would indeed be a Christmas ornament.

Grifty_mcgrift

11-18-10, 02:55 PM

I think I will hold off buying silent hunter 5 until the DRM is completely gone. Not requiring a constant internet connection is a step in the right direction, but I still can't give in to ubisoft until they completely remove it. I've waited this long, I can wait a little longer. Then perhaps when I do finally get to start sailing a U-boat again, SH5 will be a even better game.

THE_MASK

11-18-10, 02:56 PM

There must be some misunderstanding here Tak....janh response @ #41 and mine @ #42 were in response to #39 :DL

Either that or I'm experiencing a 'sober' moment :doh:Excuse me .

Alky

11-18-10, 06:13 PM

I'll buy it as soon as DRM dissapears, as I have faith in the MOD community to make it a good sim... till then my wallet is as tight as a virg... oops Cannot say that here. :hugegrin:
That's all that keeps me from buying it!! :salute:

Jimbuna

11-20-10, 04:26 PM

Excuse me .

Okay...your excused :DL

Seeadler

12-31-10, 10:41 AM

PC Gamer: Constant net connection no longer required for Ubisoft games (http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/12/31/constant-net-connection-no-longer-required-for-ubisoft-games/)

Sailor Steve

12-31-10, 02:15 PM

That's what started this thread in the first place.

but will still require an internet connection to validate the install every time the game is booted up.
I won't buy it until it's completely gone.

Takeda Shingen

12-31-10, 02:43 PM

About time that PC Gamer caught up to SubSim. It only took them six weeks.

FIREWALL

12-31-10, 03:13 PM

Agreed. I will not buy any more Ubisoft products.

I side with mookie. :yep: They burned me with SH4 when I did a pre-order to get the colllectable that was one step below the Tin can version and sent me the basic one. And when I complained via email they, basicalily said tuff luck.

To add insult to injury some members got it at retail outlets at the same time as my pre-order.

As what happened with SH-5. I know I got mine at BestBuy 2 days before the pre-order.

Luckily Iwas able to return it and get my 60 bucks back.

The only good thing that has come out of SH-5 is the new members at SubSim and the FANTASTIC mods that have somewhat fixed the game and made it more playable.

btw I repurchased SH-5 out of the" bargain bin" thru SubSim at Amazon.

Ubisoft This time and in the future.... You Lose. :yep:

There's an old saying.... Burn me once, shame one me. Burn me twice, shame on you!!!

Well you ain't gonna get a second chance...:smug:

Jimbuna

12-31-10, 03:15 PM

About time that PC Gamer caught up to SubSim. It only took them six weeks.

Oh agreed....but a step in the right direction all the same :yep:

Harmsway!

12-31-10, 03:33 PM

It's not just SH5 then it's all Ubisofts DRM games that no longer require a constant connection. This is no differnt then Steam games, which are numerous, which require you to logon to play. You then have the choice to play offline. I don't like it but it is the way with many of the most popular games now.

Constant connection was one thing to hold out on but now I don't know. I personally purchase SH5 after I read this thread a few weeks ago. It didn't hurt either that the price dropped to $10, not much more then a movie now-a-days.

Of course if you have no internet connection at all then SH5 is still a no go.

Jimbuna

12-31-10, 05:09 PM

ReallyDedPoet

01-01-11, 11:56 AM

It's a start :yep:

sabretwo

01-04-11, 03:35 PM

Actually, you do not need to be logged on to play Steam games.

Jimbuna's absolutely right and that makes the difference. If UBI's DRM worked like Steam, I could live with that. Problem is I travel a lot and often don't have an Internet connection available when I want to play games.

If I could "validate" every few play sessions or so, that would be fine. But anything that requires connection every time I load up is unacceptable.

With all respect to Takeda Shingen, the joke about electricity and a computer doesn't fly. Steve's right, there's a big difference between required infrastructure and an unecessary connection requirement. For the average Joe who doesn't travel and lives in a location with cheap and stable Internet service, the requirement is an issue for philosophical debate. For the remaining minority, others like me, its a deal breaker.

Until the connection requirement changes, my wallet and I are still on the sidelines with Sailor Steve (and playing SH3).

From what I can tell, it looks like SH5 has potential, but for now at least, I don't feel like I am really missing anything. Maybe by the time Sh5 catches up to the modded refinement of SH3, they'll drop the constant connection requirement for good.

Takeda Shingen

01-04-11, 04:41 PM

I think that the argument does indeed come down to, as Sabre said, majority vs minority. The company does what it feels is the most applicable (I didn't want to say best) for the most of it's users. That being said, the trend towards repeal of this sort of DRM is is rendering the discussion moot. Ubi has finally begun to see that this style of copy protection was more harmful than it's worth.

Harmsway!

01-04-11, 04:45 PM

Even though the logging on each and every time for me is not an issue technically I am still waiting for the day when DRM will be dropped. We all agree it is a pointless useless thing. Even from a business perspective.

I come to these forums to learn and share with all and it bothers me that all of us are not able to. There are long time members here that offer so much of themselves yet are now excluded in practice or principle. The day DRM is dropped many of them will come aboard and I can't wait to hear from them.

Sailor Steve

01-04-11, 10:15 PM

THE_MASK

01-05-11, 02:07 AM

SH5:woot:

Zedi

01-05-11, 03:40 AM

The place I live at finally got rid of the wireless internet and we have real live cable. Downloads up to ten times as fast! Never seems to be an outage. I'm incredibly happy. :rock:

Of course you know what comes next...

Hmmm.. lemme guess.. you gonna play WoW or any other mmorpg, right? Wish you try SH5 instead, but you said many times that until DRM will not be dropped, is no way you will play it :DL

Anyway, grats for your new connection .. I know how you feel :woot:

BigBANGtheory

01-05-11, 04:18 AM

Apparently UBI is dropping the constant connection for AssCreed II, its only required to register.

Pintea

01-05-11, 07:02 AM

THE_MASK

01-05-11, 07:13 AM

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32261/Ubisoft_Removes_Constant_Online_Authentication_DRM _For_PC_Games.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GamasutraNews+%28Gamasutra+Ne ws%29

This article mentions Assassin's Creed 2 and Splinter Cell: Conviction,
has anyone tested SH5 ?Still says i need an internet connection .

maerean_m

01-05-11, 08:02 AM

Jimbuna

01-05-11, 08:20 AM

SH5:woot:

Alastair Cook
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/692/ecblogo1.jpg
:DL

Zedi

01-05-11, 09:24 AM

I think SH5 is still the only game in history that wasn't cracked. Maybe they're waiting for that daring "pirate" to rise to the challenge :arrgh!:

Wrong, was "fixed" under 24 hour after launch.
Hope I will not get a ban for this ... :/

Sailor Steve

01-05-11, 09:30 AM

SH5:woot:
:rotfl2::O:

"No" doesn't even come close. "Hell no!" is an understatement. What comes next is me repeating my sorry self - "When it's completely gone", which means I can turn on my computer and play the game, without asking anyone's permission, or checking with the Evil Overlords. :D

Hmmm.. lemme guess.. you gonna play WoW or any other mmorpg, right? Wish you try SH5 instead, but you said many times that until DRM will not be dropped, is no way you will play it :DL
Nah, I don't play any of those RPG-type games, just sims. Sooner or later they'll drop it altogether, and probably not mention it so I won't even know until six months after the fact. :damn: :DL

But it will happen, and I will play it.

Anyway, grats for your new connection .. I know how you feel :woot:
Thanks! It does make a huge difference - especially when I download stuff.:rock:

Sailor Steve

01-05-11, 09:31 AM

Wrong, was "fixed" under 24 hour after launch.
Hope I will not get a ban for this ... :/
For posting a fact and a correction? I doubt it.

Now if you had pointed out a "fix" and recommended it...:dead:

Pintea

01-05-11, 10:06 AM

Wrong, was "fixed" under 24 hour after launch.
Hope I will not get a ban for this ... :/

Actually a "fix" for the campaign is not yet available, for that to happen, the fixers would first have to finish the game.

TheDarkWraith

01-05-11, 10:14 AM

Actually a "fix" for the campaign is not yet available, for that to happen, the fixers would first have to finish the game.

what do you mean a fix for the campaign? Campaign works well as is or am I missing something :hmmm:

Zedi

01-05-11, 10:23 AM

Actually a "fix" for the campaign is not yet available, for that to happen, the fixers would first have to finish the game.

Wrong again, its also "fixed".. it s a bit tricky to get around, but its "fixed". I cannot enter in more detail without getting hit by the mighty banhammer. If your talking about a fix to unlock the end date.. thats another story.

commandosolo2009

01-05-11, 11:02 AM

Well, I'll be damned!!!:yeah:

tommo8993

01-05-11, 02:32 PM

right, i'll now buy SH5.

Webster

01-05-11, 03:09 PM

what do you mean a fix for the campaign?

im guessing he means not for the full war

Jimbuna

01-05-11, 03:55 PM

Wrong, was "fixed" under 24 hour after launch.
Hope I will not get a ban for this ... :/

Wrong again, its also "fixed".. it s a bit tricky to get around, but its "fixed". I cannot enter in more detail without getting hit by the mighty banhammer. If your talking about a fix to unlock the end date.. thats another story.

Not meaning to split hairs but the 'fix' that worked without detriment to certain playing styles was 4 days post release.

Not my cup of tea personally but obviously of use to some people.

The problem with some 'fixes' is the fact your not always sure what your introducing to your system....far better to give them a wide birth and stay legitimate.

As Steve has already stated.....nothing wrong with stating a fact by means of a correction.

bookworm_020

01-05-11, 04:22 PM

I might buy SH5 now, since I've got a new computer on the way!:D

MLF

01-05-11, 04:38 PM

Hmmm..... Just disconnected my internet, and could not launch. Required an internet connection. Am I being singled out by UBI:hmmm:

THE_MASK

01-05-11, 04:43 PM

Hmmm..... Just disconnected my internet, and could not launch. Required an internet connection. Am I being singled out by UBI:hmmm:What has changed is that now you dont need to be constantly connected while playing the game . You just need to be connected to login . Which is better than it was .

letterboy1

01-05-11, 08:51 PM

Not meaning to split hairs but the 'fix' that worked without detriment to certain playing styles was 4 days post release.

Not my cup of tea personally but obviously of use to some people.

The problem with some 'fixes' is the fact your not always sure what your introducing to your system....far better to give them a wide birth and stay legitimate.

As Steve has already stated.....nothing wrong with stating a fact by means of a correction.

Also, wasn't this fix only available for the original release and the first patch? I haven't heard of the "fixer" keeping up with the latest SH5 patch. The reason I mention this is because some mods (especially DW's UI mod) require you to be patched up-to-date. So to me the "fix" is useless anyway.

SteveW1

01-06-11, 02:21 AM

Well this is interesting news I might look at buying the game now to see whats its like.

Steve

mikeydredd

01-06-11, 09:18 AM

And the official announcement for this quite startling volte face is where?

After all Ubisoft's line on this particular species of DRM was:

"the best way to deal with" piracy in the PC market.

As far as I'm aware the "fixed" version was available BEFORE the game was released in Europe! What a joke.

So they haven't even got the integrity to admit that this was a complete and utter fiasco from start to finish. It's exactly this kind of disingenuous contempt, typical of UbiSoft, that has so totally pissed off so many of their potential customers, right across the gaming spectrum.

To quote a man who knew something about dealing with dictatorships: "They have sown the wind. They are now reaping the whirlwind"

Regards,

Dredd:arrgh!:

DeadlyWolf

01-06-11, 11:36 AM

When it will have at most a single online check and when I'll read an official statement on how an idiotic decision it was, I'll start thinking about spending my money.
Until then, I won't spend a cent on any ubisoft games. They can leave the pc gaming as they said, for what I care and for what it's worth.
Plenty of other developers out there, and much more worthy of attention\interest: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/01/03/the-exciting-list-of-2011s-excitements/

Darkwolf11

01-06-11, 01:06 PM

Hi there,

Brussels' mediamarkt shop dropped the price from €49 last month.... to €9 today. To me, it sounds like a desperate manoeuver to get rid of their inventory of that game. That game was really a disaster sales wise.

At least if they are belgian virtual captains that want to try it... you don't risk that much now

Jimbuna

01-06-11, 01:28 PM

Now that sounds like a bargain well worth consideration to those who have yet to purchase it.

Welcome Aboard.

JScones

01-06-11, 05:47 PM

I think SH5 is still the only game in history that wasn't cracked. Maybe they're waiting for that daring "pirate" to rise to the challenge :arrgh!:
:har: Proof that Ubisoft and reality are poles apart.

TheDarkWraith

01-06-11, 05:54 PM

I think SH5 is still the only game in history that wasn't cracked. Maybe they're waiting for that daring "pirate" to rise to the challenge :arrgh!:

Reality sometimes is too hard to confront :yep:

THE_MASK

01-06-11, 05:57 PM

I think SH5 is still the only game in history that wasn't cracked. Maybe they're waiting for that daring "pirate" to rise to the challenge :arrgh!:The only thing that isnt cracked is the adding of more ships to SH5 :nope:

JScones

01-06-11, 05:58 PM

The only thing that isnt cracked is the adding of more ships to SH5 :nope:
Ouch! :haha::har:

ccc

01-06-11, 09:53 PM

So I finally decided to install this game. Had to create an Ubisoft account, grrr.

Try to run the game... autopatch... log in...

An internet connection is required to play this game. Failed to connect to the Ubisoft master servers. (etc)

Again.

And again.

And again.

This is the future of computer gaming? :nope:

EDIT: Turns out my anti-virus was preventing the first-time connection. Frankly I don't blame it. ;)

Harmsway!

01-06-11, 10:35 PM

So I finally decided to install this game. Had to create an Ubisoft account, grrr.

Try to run the game... autopatch... log in...

An internet connection is required to play this game. Failed to connect to the Ubisoft master servers. (etc)

Again.

And again.

And again.

This is the future of computer gaming? :nope:

Your experience is not mutual. No one else is currently reporting difficulty with connecting to the server. There may be something else going on here.

ccc

01-06-11, 11:43 PM

Oops, didn't see your reply when I edited the post. I had to disable the anti-virus, after which the launcher immediately updated itself. Now it connects just fine whether the AV is enabled or not.

Old Dog

01-07-11, 01:32 PM

Just spotted the note on the front of the site about Ubi dropping their constant connection DRM requirement.
The last thing I had read about SH-5 was the announcement that it was going to be in effect.

Maybe it's time to peruse that section of the Forum....and then see what prices are like if the observations sound favorable.

Boy, implementing that requirement was an awfully dumb move on Ubi's part.

I can identify a dumb move very quickly. I've made enough of 'em.

floundericiousWA

01-07-11, 05:12 PM

I just purchased SH5 on amazon for about $7, shipped, in the U.S.

Here's a question...has anyone identified the critical update files which eliminate the DRM?

I only ask for archiving/long-term game play reasons. I want to snag them, if possible and back them up. I saw on the SH5 sub-forum on the UBI forums that Ubisoft is dropping support of SH5...so, how long will the launcher be able to pull the final DRM-killing patch/update from UBI's servers?

jbt308

01-07-11, 09:50 PM

Sailor Steve

01-07-11, 11:48 PM

So just to clarify, and sorry if this is an obvious question. Has Ubisoft dropped all the DRM requirement? As in, no Internet connection to verify anything? Or is it just during play, and you still have to verify when you start the game?

I still haven't bought the game for this reason, and some other odds/ends, but if the DRM is totally gone, I'll drop my money down.
And I'll apologize for being rude, but did you read any of the thread?

In internet connection is still required to start up the game, which is why many of us are still refusing to give them our money, however little that may be now.

Yes, you must still connect and verify.

jbt308

01-08-11, 11:28 PM

Sailor Steve

01-09-11, 09:30 AM

It's not for me. As everyone knows by now, I'll buy it when I don't have to do anything to play but click on the icon and go.

Harmsway!

01-09-11, 12:23 PM

No worries. I did bang through the posts pretty quickly, a 2yo and 6mo make that a necessity sometimes. Towards the end, I was getting some crossed signals, only reason I asked.

I'm still wondering if the game is worth buying even with the reduced internet connection requirement.

For the price of a movie ticket you can have SH5. You will get a lot more then a couple hours entertainment. So from price standpoint. Yes.

Is SH5 worth it as a sub sim? With the mods it is. I'm loving it myself.

thruster

01-11-11, 09:39 AM

absolutely awesome!
i think even i just might be able to get this going now?:hmmm:.........

i had totally written off SH5, it was just getting too painful to have this out there yet not allowed to be a part of it. now i'll most probably buy it.:woot::yeah:

guys, im gunna be light years behind the news re mods etc, so youll likely be pestered with thousands of dumb questions in the coming weeks - you have been warned!:arrgh!::D

Harmsway!

01-11-11, 12:22 PM

I try to answer the fresh out of the box questions with my SH5 Quick Start Guide (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=178048). Check that out when you get your copy. You should know you still need internet connection to log on.

BTW: there is a mega-mod coming too!

That should make it much easier. I've had this thing since Thanksgiving and I am just now getting done adding mods. Hey is anyone ever done? But I do have a very nice playable sim the way I like it.

troopie

01-11-11, 12:40 PM

Not good enough.

I live in a regional town in Australia and have only marginal internet connection. I'm not goin to waste money on a another bugfest that I may or may not be able to launch on any given day.

I have SH3 + 4 and feel pretty let down by Ubisoft. After putting up with endless bugs, issues and useless instruction manuals time after time you begin to feel that they really do just want to stick the boot into ya.

I've had a look at SH5 on my bro's machine and it has all same sorts of issues the previous titles have had, but now you've gotta be on the internet too?!!:damn: you really wonder how much effort Ubi expects their customers to go to to play their games!!!

sabretwo

01-14-11, 04:44 PM

If someone with a laptop and SH5 could do an experiment for me, I would be most appreciative...

Launch the game while on the internet (logging onto the UBI Servers). Pause the game, alt-tab out, and place the laptop into sleep or hybernate mode. Then awaken windows and resume the game.

Does the game resume properly after being in hybernation or must it re-log onto UBI servers?

If this works and ALL that is needed is to log on once when starting, I might be able to get by when traveling by keeping my laptop in sleep mode when not in use. If it doesn't, then I'll remain on the sidelines and wait for UBI to drop this crap.

Thanks in advance!

Harmsway!

01-14-11, 06:05 PM

The graphic requirements are steep. You must make sure your laptop can handle it or it won't be worthwhile. I tried lowering the settings on my laptop and SH5 works but not well. Anyway I can at least try and see.

Harmsway!

01-14-11, 06:39 PM

It didn't work.

First I tried by Alt-Tab out and going into sleep mode. That did work. When I woke up my machine I Alt-tab right back where I left off.

Second I tried hibernation. That didn't work. It resumed Windows and I was able to Alt-tab back in but it recognized the interruption and brought me back to a previous save after re-astablishing a internet connection.

Maybe that helps if you can save locally, which I did, and then go back to that save. However I think you will need internet connection when you get to where your going. At least for logging on. Or it might work without logging back on since your already booted in to the main screen of the game. But I didn't test that because my laptop connected to the internet automatically through the wireless.

The point is you do alt-tab back into the main menu.

sabretwo

01-14-11, 11:48 PM

Ilpalazzo

01-19-11, 03:37 PM

Wait, so sh5 doesn't need to connect to ubi anymore? I only read the first page and it just sounds like this guy had a fluke.

Takeda Shingen

01-19-11, 04:25 PM

Wait, so sh5 doesn't need to connect to ubi anymore? I only read the first page and it just sounds like this guy had a fluke.

No, I didn't have a fluke.

Ilpalazzo

01-19-11, 05:03 PM

So it really works without the internet now? Or is it just that it needs to connect once and then it works? sorry i didn't feel like reading 9 pages. If sh5 works without an internet connection i would buy it.

Sailor Steve

01-19-11, 08:36 PM

sorry i didn't feel like reading 9 pages.
All you had to read was the first post.

Zeke1902

01-19-11, 08:38 PM

I don't understand why anyone who buys the game doesn't use the crack. Doesn't make sense to me. I bought it and I use the crack because the DRM is bull****.

THE_MASK

01-19-11, 08:44 PM

I don't understand why anyone who buys the game doesn't use the crack. Doesn't make sense to me. I bought it and I use the crack because the DRM is bull****.
Bye :timeout:

Takeda Shingen

01-19-11, 09:03 PM

Hi, also its not piracy if you buy it first. I buy all my games so don't assume I'm advocating anything. This DRM is a punishment to honest customers.

It is as far as the rules are concerned. Plus, we don't like duplicate accounts.

The Management

Don_D_Dwain

01-20-11, 06:50 AM

If this is true, since I have gone back to SH4, (and enjoying it) then I will now consider the purchase of Future Ubisoft products again. I mean, I had decided not to purchase any future projects by Ubisoft again, based on the online requirement for a game that I really like, but can only play when I am home. At work, when we are at a post (we travel in short distances, a frequent intervals) to places where I can take a laptop, but the signals are sometimes at best very slow or distant. So for me, the decision was made, although not an easy one since I like Ubisoft, and the products in the silent hunter series. This does re-open my interest in any future Silent Hunter projects. Thank you Ubisoft for being Reasonable.

danielTosh

01-24-11, 12:06 AM

Zeke brings up a good point, definitely the best one in this thread.

Sailor Steve

01-24-11, 12:20 AM

Read the rules. Definitely the best thing you can do if you want to be around here long.

Jimbuna

01-24-11, 09:20 AM

Zeke brings up a good point, definitely the best one in this thread.

http://www2.raritanval.edu/departments/busadmin/full-time/Defilippis/tops/image/home/AnimSherlock_Ag00595.gif

Takeda Shingen

01-24-11, 10:09 AM

Zeke and the Zekes (and Toshes) bring up just about the worst point in the thread. Now let's get back on topic.

The Management

Bilge_Rat

01-24-11, 10:39 AM

I dont see why this is still a big issue, you only have to log in to start the game and you can then play offline.

"Rise of Flight" has a similar sytem where you have to log in to start the game and get updates. You can play totally offline, but some game modes are only available when you log in. Yet on the SIMHQ ROF forum, the fact that you need an internet connection is a total non-issue for 99% of ROF players.

Grifty_mcgrift

01-26-11, 10:00 PM

Hello Subsimmers,

I just needed some advice. I've been debating over and over in my head whether or not to pick up SH5. While I was disappointed with all the problems people were reporting when it was released, seeing all the amazing work the modders have done, my interest has really been peaked. But I, like many others, was really put off by the DRM.

So I guess my question is: Is the change in the DRM good enough? I'd just like to get some opinions from others who have been against the DRM. Part of me thinks only connecting at startup is ok, but another part of me thinks it still isn't good enough. That I don't want to have to ask permission from Ubisoft every time I play. So to anyone out there, do you think the new system is acceptable? Thanks everyone. And a huge thank you to the modders. If and when I pick up SH5, I can't wait to see all the work you have put in first hand!

THE_MASK

01-26-11, 10:27 PM

Ducimus

01-26-11, 10:48 PM

I dont see why this is still a big issue, you only have to log in to start the game and you can then play offline.

There should be an offline mode similar to steams, because sometimes, an internet connection is not available. Besides, if you have a connection, why would you login, start the game, and then with the game running, logout?
That doesn't make any sense.

The whole crux of the issue is being able to play the game you bought, anytime you want, without interruption.

Sailor Steve

01-27-11, 01:14 AM

So I guess my question is: Is the change in the DRM good enough? I'd just like to get some opinions from others who have been against the DRM. Part of me thinks only connecting at startup is ok, but another part of me thinks it still isn't good enough. That I don't want to have to ask permission from Ubisoft every time I play. So to anyone out there, do you think the new system is acceptable? Thanks everyone. And a huge thank you to the modders. If and when I pick up SH5, I can't wait to see all the work you have put in first hand!
First, WELCOME ABOARD! :sunny:

Not to be overly harsh, but if you had read the thread you would already have your answer. Those who weren't bothered by DRM in the first place certainly don't care. Those who didn't like being logged in all the time are happy that they only have to log in to play the game, and those of us who stand against it on principle will continue to do so.

The only question is, which one are you? Obviously not one who finds it not to be a problem, or you'd have been playing it already. Are you against it because of connection problems, or because being logged in all the time is a hassle? Then you should get it, because this change definitely makes it easier.

On the other hand, if you find it to be an unwarranted intrusion into your personal life, and think that having to ask permission is not only bothersome but downright evil, then you'll refuse to have anything to do with it.

But no one else can tell you how you really feel, or what you should really do. The only one who can give you that answer is yourself.

czarnaszabla

01-27-11, 07:09 AM

It is as far as the rules are concerned. Plus, we don't like duplicate accounts.

The Management

wait... so if i use .iso cd images and cracks for games i own, because my netbook doesn't have a cd-drive and won't let me run them otherwise - is that piracy?

Also - as funny as that sounds, hacks are not always a bad thing (think psp, when sony practically castrated their own console for the sake of fighting piracy, when a modded one could run at 3x the eficiency and 5x the capabilities of a normal psp - cracking the sony certificates was the best thing to happen to legit psp users since it's release).

Piracy isn't reliable as to find out if a game is overpriced but good, or if people just want it for free anyway. But Buying a legit game and THEN using a crack i think clearly gets across the message that the game is worth a purchase, but the DRM is bullcrap.

Sailor Steve

01-27-11, 10:09 AM

It doesn't matter. The rules are simple - we don't discuss hacks or cracks here. Period.

SUBSIM Review has a longstanding policy against software piracy.

We do NOT allow discussion or even mention of warez, abandonware, peer-to-peer game swapping, game cracks, illegal download sites, or illegal file-sharing. Nothing will get you banned faster than pointing people to illegal software distribution sites. Don't ask for serial numbers, manuals, or cracks. Any admission that you have in your possession illegal software can and usually will result in revocation of your Radio Room forum account and permanent ban. We do not care what you do on your computer in your home, but do not discuss it here. Support computer game programmers buy legally purchasing their work. They have to eat too, you know.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_rules2_faq_item

Also not allowed is arguing about that rule more than once. If you can't live with that, you won't live here for long.

Takeda Shingen

01-27-11, 11:37 AM

What Steve said. And the rules aren't new either.

Grifty_mcgrift

01-27-11, 11:53 AM

Not to be overly harsh, but if you had read the thread you would already have your answer. Those who weren't bothered by DRM in the first place certainly don't care. Those who didn't like being logged in all the time are happy that they only have to log in to play the game, and those of us who stand against it on principle will continue to do so.

The only question is, which one are you? Obviously not one who finds it not to be a problem, or you'd have been playing it already. Are you against it because of connection problems, or because being logged in all the time is a hassle? Then you should get it, because this change definitely makes it easier.

On the other hand, if you find it to be an unwarranted intrusion into your personal life, and think that having to ask permission is not only bothersome but downright evil, then you'll refuse to have anything to do with it.

But no one else can tell you how you really feel, or what you should really do. The only one who can give you that answer is yourself.

I guess my problem is I don't know which one I am any more, if that even makes sense. When the DRM first came out, I was dead set against it. But I also thought, well, if they changed it where at least a constant internet connection wasn't required, that might be ok. But then I read today that the servers were down, making people unable to play the game, which places me right back at square one.

I miss the days when PC gaming was simpler. When you didn't have to worry about issues like this. I really want the game, but I also don't want to feel like I'm giving in to Ubisoft or somehow saying their DRM is ok by buying it. I know I'm the only one that can make the decision, but I've been struggling with it for almost a year now. I'm not a very decisive person. But I also don't know if Ubisoft will ever completely remove the DRM. I mean, if you need the game launcher to start the game, and you have to login into the game launcher, can the online check-in at the start ever be truly patched out? And to people trying to play today, was the server not working a huge issue for you? Or are you able to just brush it off?

TheDarkWraith

01-27-11, 11:56 AM

Civ-5, Bioshock 2, Wolfenstein, and Far Cry 2 are good ones to play when this happens :yep:

Sailor Steve

01-27-11, 06:51 PM

I guess my problem is I don't know which one I am any more, if that even makes sense.
That makes perfect sense to me. I never know who I am. :D

I miss the days when PC gaming was simpler. When you didn't have to worry about issues like this. I really want the game, but I also don't want to feel like I'm giving in to Ubisoft or somehow saying their DRM is ok by buying it.
That's why I still play SH3 and SH4 (and ocassionally SH1 and Aces Of the Deep).

I was originally against it because I had a very flaky connection, but I finally realized that, for me at least, it is impossible to support it, and impossible to say I don't support it while buying it and playing it, no matter how cheap. Someone offered to send me a free copy, and I told them I'd either send it right back or burn it. When the DRM is truly gone I'll gladly pay full price.

I know I'm the only one that can make the decision, but I've been struggling with it for almost a year now. I'm not a very decisive person. But I also don't know if Ubisoft will ever completely remove the DRM.
If they don't then I'll get to watch people post pretty screenshots and tell me what I'm missing. I'll also get to watch them complain about the servers and about how nobody's modding the best game that ever lived.

I'll also happily sail my Type II through unrestricted seas and have a great time with "crappy, old-fashioned" graphics.

I mean, if you need the game launcher to start the game, and you have to login into the game launcher, can the online check-in at the start ever be truly patched out? And to people trying to play today, was the server not working a huge issue for you? Or are you able to just brush it off?
It doesn't bother me a bit. Oh, wait, I wasn't trying to play SH5 today. I was playing SH3 instead.

reignofdeath

01-30-11, 12:54 AM

Having a high end computer to run the game at full graphics would be way more important than having to login .

lol this made me chuckle :)

nikimcbee

01-30-11, 05:52 PM

I'm jonny come lately to this... So what happens when you install and run the game, since they whacked their DRM stuff?

Takeda Shingen

01-30-11, 05:57 PM

I'm jonny come lately to this... So what happens when you install and run the game, since they whacked their DRM stuff?

The same sort of thing. It checks in with the server, but the game doesn't come to a screeching halt if the connection is disrupted.

Harmsway!

01-30-11, 06:04 PM

I'm jonny come lately to this... So what happens when you install and run the game, since they whacked their DRM stuff?

DRM is still with us. You need the internet to boot into the game. Truth is I never even think about it. I just boot SH5 like any in the series and the auto logon is part of the boot sequence. It only takes a few seconds and you never get bumped off since there is no longer a constant connection requirement.

If you don't have internet access. Forget it. If you have internet even poor internet your fine and you can play without hick-up.

nikimcbee

01-30-11, 06:05 PM

The same sort of thing. It checks in with the server, but the game doesn't come to a screeching halt if the connection is disrupted.

Sounds like how Company of Heroes works.

Takeda Shingen

01-30-11, 06:07 PM

Sounds like how Company of Heroes works.

Right now it's more like using Steam without an offline option.

stoppro

01-30-11, 10:52 PM

I'l take ubi's drm.I have had nothing but problems with steam. I have removed it.

Jimbuna

01-31-11, 04:25 PM

Right now it's more like using Steam without an offline option.

Good comparison :yep:

Los

02-17-11, 01:09 AM

Ubi has finally begun to see that this style of copy protection was more harmful than it's worth.

You can't actually say that. At this point no-one knows UBI's motivations for removing the constant connection requirement. We are assuming (hoping) it's awareness that their customers are one hair shy of livid over it. But my experience says different. Any statements regarding UBI's reasoning are speculative.

reignofdeath

02-17-11, 04:40 AM

Civ-5, Bioshock 2, Wolfenstein, and Far Cry 2 are good ones to play when this happens :yep:

Epic game, 'nuff said.

Takeda Shingen

02-17-11, 08:08 AM

You can't actually say that. At this point no-one knows UBI's motivations for removing the constant connection requirement. We are assuming (hoping) it's awareness that their customers are one hair shy of livid over it. But my experience says different. Any statements regarding UBI's reasoning are speculative.

This is true. However, in fairness, that speculation is no less speculative than your speculation.

Jimbuna

02-17-11, 07:09 PM

This is true. However, in fairness, that speculation is no less speculative than your speculation.

Agreed http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

Sailor Steve

02-17-11, 08:51 PM

This is true. However, in fairness, that speculation is no less speculative than your speculation.
I disagree. Not that his speculation is more or less speculative, but that I think you're just speculating on the nature of the differing speculations. :O:

Loganrocks7

02-20-11, 03:26 PM

This just enlightened my day as I just tried it and you are correct. Also, I as well don't understand why Ubisoft didn't tell anyone..

Bilge_Rat

02-21-11, 10:02 AM

That's why I still play SH3 ...

up until 2010, SH3 had Starforce which was, to me, a much more intrusive DRM since it is on all the time and prevented certain programs from working, even when you were not playing the game.

Maybe someone can explain to me why having to logon for 5 seconds when and only when you want to play a game is an affront to civil liberties, but having a program permanently installed that records what programs you are using 24/7 is not...:hmmm:

Budds

02-21-11, 05:38 PM

Maybe someone can explain to me why having to logon for 5 seconds when and only when you want to play a game is an affront to civil liberties, but having a program permanently installed that records what programs you are using 24/7 is not...:hmmm:

Not Trying to pick.....
But I think you take too much for granted with that statement.
I hardly think Many, (if Any), that oppose DRM SUPPORT Starforce or ANY other Form.
It would be a Small percentage indeed of people that would say, " Love that Starforce.... HATE DRM !!!".

But for arguements sake.....
When I started with PC Sims/Games, it was because I had lottsa Down-Time in remote locations.
This helped pass the time and I did not mind spending $50.00 usd or more on a Sim that would give me MANY hours of return on my investment.
Most times there was NO internet to be had... NONE ! ( I know thats hard for some of you to believe... But TRUE! ).

Can you Blame someone for NOT wanting to invest in a Product that they may not be able to use at their will or leisure ?
Not All of us are Blessed to be surrounded by WiFi, and Hi-Speed Access 24/7.
Would you not Prefer the Bush Pilot in Brazil be able to enjoy the same Sims you do ? ( He May Have a Hot Sister !!!! :D )
In Fact some of the Better Modders I've known were borne from just such an environment, they learned to Mod thier Sims to keep them Fresh as it might be awhile before they could get access to new software/hardware.

Anywyas the whole Security Arguement is Smoke....
They lose more in "In House" Piracy then they Ever do on the Street.
While they watch the Internet for "thugs", their Staff and Others that get hands on first are selling out the back door.

Anywyas..........

Manstein16

03-07-11, 11:44 AM

Well, a promise is a promise. Just ordered my copy of SH5 from Amazon :D

Sailor Steve

03-08-11, 01:31 AM

up until 2010, SH3 had Starforce which was, to me, a much more intrusive DRM since it is on all the time and prevented certain programs from working, even when you were not playing the game.
Was it really that recent? I thought I bought my Starforce-free copy sometime earlier. But that's not important, because you're right. Had I had any clue about these things I might have rejected SH3 as well. The fact that I had no problems with Starforce is irrelevant - it was invasive and should not have been there either.

Maybe someone can explain to me why having to logon for 5 seconds when and only when you want to play a game is an affront to civil liberties, but having a program permanently installed that records what programs you are using 24/7 is not...:hmmm:
Not me. I refused to buy SH5 when they announced this DRM, and that hasn't changed. Affront to civil liberties? No one makes me play the game, and no one stops you from playing it. That said, people who don't have any internet connection still can't play it.

Maybe you can explain to me why I have to log on at all to play a single-player offline game. Does that make any sense at all? Why is there a need to justify it? No toy is that important.

thyro

03-09-11, 04:18 PM

Not me. I refused to buy SH5 when they announced this DRM, and that hasn't changed. ..

Same here Steve... at least I CAN loggon into my SH3 and SH4 while other members seem to vent their frustration in yet another frustrating "can't connect" thread... because are unable to connect to UBicrapped server. Maybe Ubi when under like their SH5 sub... who knows...

ddrgn

03-09-11, 06:04 PM

Same here Steve... at least I CAN loggon into my SH3 and SH4 while other members seem to vent their frustration in yet another frustrating "can't connect" thread... because are unable to connect to UBicrapped server. Maybe Ubi when under like their SH5 sub... who knows...

Hate to say it, but although the servers maybe crapping out today, Ubisoft as a company is not going under, new facilities, new games and heck they made Assassins Creed..... That company is here for awhile... On the other hand, I never had problems with playing SH5, if I spent the money and was prevented from playing, I would have complained, but a year later I still never have any issues with the DRM. The biggest problem with DRM for me anyways is the complaining and preaching.

THE_MASK

03-09-11, 06:09 PM

If someone said i wont play because of the drm , i say thats rubbish .
If someone said i cannot play because i dont have internet then i say boo ubisoft .

sabretwo

03-10-11, 08:01 AM

Not Trying to pick.....
When I started with PC Sims/Games, it was because I had lottsa Down-Time in remote locations.
This helped pass the time and I did not mind spending $50.00 usd or more on a Sim that would give me MANY hours of return on my investment.
Most times there was NO internet to be had... NONE ! ( I know thats hard for some of you to believe... But TRUE! )....

Amen! That's when I am mostly playing too, when on the road and often in environments with limited if any Internet. For example, in January I was staying in a villa in Riyadh for two weeks...no internet in my villa the whole time. In December I was in Malaysia at a hotel with CRAZY expensive Internet charges. So much for Internet there. This month I will be in North Georgia at our vacation home...very hokey satellite connection up there...drops a lot and especially this time of year when it rains or is overcast.

Someone tell my why the hell would I buy a product that I can't play when I want to play? IT'S ASININE! To me (in my world) SH5 is useless until they drop the DRM or at least come up with a compromise model like Steam that allows you to periodically be connected to validate the copy.

I still haven't bought SH5 and have no intention until they fix this.

Sailor Steve

03-10-11, 11:03 AM

To me (in my world) SH5 is useless until they drop the DRM or at least come up with a compromise model like Steam that allows you to periodically be connected to validate the copy.
Umm, to be fair, this whole thread is about the fact that they have modified it so you only have to connect at the time you log on, and not at all after that.

My opposition is on moral grounds, but if your wish is for a limited connection requirement, that's what they have now.

jerm138

03-10-11, 03:37 PM

So, they still want you to verify you have a legit copy before you can run the game... Are they really still worried that somebody's going to :arrgh!: a game that sells NEW for under $5 (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_15?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=silent+hunter+5&sprefix=silent+hunter+5)?? :rotfl2:

Saving the $4 is not even worth the effort or risk of pirating. They can't honestly believe that the startup verification benefits them in any way whatsoever.

I could understand their concern when it was first released, but bargain bin copies of Mah Jhong at Wal-Mart are more expensive for chrissakes. Why can't they just let it go (completely)?

Laughable, man.

THE_MASK

03-10-11, 03:57 PM

Now that the launcher seems to be fixed , i love the cloud saving . I always have my saves if something stuffs up with the puter .

Trevally.

03-10-11, 04:00 PM

I think it good the Ubi keeps my save games nice and safe:up:

sabretwo

03-10-11, 04:37 PM

Umm, to be fair, this whole thread is about the fact that they have modified it so you only have to connect at the time you log on, and not at all after that.

My opposition is on moral grounds, but if your wish is for a limited connection requirement, that's what they have now.

Steve,

I don't think you understood what I was saying. With the way they set it up now, it still changes nothing for folks like me. You still need to be connected to get on. That's my whole point! Whether its online as a live connection for only a minute or two is irrelevant.

What I mean by a satisfactory compromise is what Steam has...once every few weeks or after a number of game launches, validate online, then no connection required (complete offline play) for several weeks again before Steam pops up and starts nagging for a connection again.

When I travel with Steam games, no problem. I can stay in a hotel without Internet for a good week or two and never have any problems. As for SH5 and UBI's DRM, even with the new changes I'd still be fubar.

Sailor Steve

03-10-11, 08:55 PM

I don't think you understood what I was saying.
Apparently not. I thought your Steam comparison was about only having to connect once. My mistake.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. :oops:

Lexington

03-14-11, 08:25 PM

I just purchased this game sunday from amazon.com via digital download because I had heard that the constant connect was removed. however when I play it still is requiring me to be connected to internet. is the DRM removal only for the physical disc copies or do i need to download a patch separate from the ubisoft loader?

Drewcifer

03-14-11, 11:19 PM

They caught you on the technicality. CONSTANT internet connection is dropped.

You still have to be on the net to initially start up the game. :down:

Lexington

03-15-11, 09:50 AM

mines still constant, my net dropped in middle of gameplay this morning and the game force closed. but i must say i am impressed with the game for most part so i guess i can deal

sabretwo

03-25-11, 06:51 AM

I wonder how many of us are still on the sidelines waiting for UBI to drop the connection requirement to play. I know Sailor Steve is is still out. But I wonder how many others are still on the sidelines (and how many caved)?

I haven't given a dime to UBI on any games since they implemented the new DRM.

The chumps that designed UBI's DRM should have studied the Steam model more carefully. Steam has very good balance...Yes, you must occasionally log onto Steam and validate your intall, yet the rest of the time you can play in offline mode where ever and when ever you like. It's a little intrusive (as all DRMs are) but not to the point of being obnoxious or limiting opportunities for play.

Dignan

03-25-11, 07:18 AM

I caved when they dropped the constant connection requirement. I've had the game for about two weeks and have only had one or two times where the game kicked me out when trying to synchronize saves. I think it was my fault though because our baby monitor was on and it interferes with our wireless connection.

The Enigma

03-25-11, 12:28 PM

Sardaukar67

03-31-11, 09:29 AM

Same here, though £5.50 deal from amazon.co.uk for SH V is bit tempting.

Feuer Frei!

03-31-11, 09:37 AM

have only had one or two times where the game kicked me out when trying to synchronize saves.
Strange. That it would disconnect you.
BTW, turn your synching of saves off. No stupid pauses whilst sinking allied tonnage.

I am, and I have no problem with the waiting. :salute:
How long will you wait? Until the 'connection required to login' is patched out?
Good luck with that. A patch isn't around the corner.

Same here, though £5.50 deal from amazon.co.uk for SH V is bit tempting.
Take the plunge, it's worth it.
The modders here are amazing and have transformed this game into a really enjoyable and playable simulation.

Sailor Steve

03-31-11, 03:37 PM

How long will you wait? Until the 'connection required to login' is patched out?
If it was wrong when they did it, then it's still wrong. If you don't think it's wrong, then fine. Personally, I'll wait until it's gone completely. If that never happens, I'll still have my principles.

Good luck with that. A patch isn't around the corner.
It didn't require a patch to partially remove it, and they said that ultimately it would happen. It they lied, then there's even more reason not to support them, no matter how little it costs.

Bilge_Rat

03-31-11, 04:16 PM

If it was wrong when they did it, then it's still wrong. If you don't think it's wrong, then fine. Personally, I'll wait until it's gone completely. If that never happens, I'll still have my principles.

Steve, you keep raising the same argument, but it is not a question of right or wrong or high moral principles. You make it sound like you are defending your civil rights under the Constitution.

Ubisoft has designed and is selling software, in this case a game. Ubisoft may choose to subject said software (GAME) to whatever restrictions it deems appropriate. The customer may choose to buy or not buy said software (GAME) based on said restrictions.

The fact that you chose not to buy said software (GAME) because of said restrictions does not make you "principled", it just means you are STUBBORN. :D

Just like the fact that the rest of us mere mortals (SH5 players) chose to buy said software (GAME) despite such relatively minor, (inconsequential really)restrictions does not make us UN-principled...it just means that we realize that its just a game. :arrgh!:

THE_MASK

03-31-11, 04:24 PM

Steve , you should remove the constant conection logo in your sig .
I can make a new one for you with connection required to play or something like that .

flag4

03-31-11, 04:51 PM

for me, its about choice and control: the freedom to choose and who controls it.

Sailor Steve

03-31-11, 05:25 PM

Steve, you keep raising the same argument, but it is not a question of right or wrong or high moral principles. You make it sound like you are defending your civil rights under the Constitution.
You seem to be ignoring the context. It's not an argument at all. Someone raises the question of "how long will you wait", and I respond with my reason for not buying it, and why that reason still stands. In case you missed the hundred or more times I've said it, I don't condemn anyone who disgrees, and I've even recommended that others buy the game. For me it is a matter of principle: They did something I find morally wrong, and I won't support it.

It has nothing to do with rights. I just give the reason for my choices.

Ubisoft has designed and is selling software, in this case a game. Ubisoft may choose to subject said software (GAME) to whatever restrictions it deems appropriate. The customer may choose to buy or not buy said software (GAME) based on said restrictions.
And I choose not to buy it. And I only mention it when someone asks for reasons not to buy it.

The fact that you chose not to buy said software (GAME) because of said restrictions does not make you "principled", it just means you are STUBBORN. :D
No, it means I believe what they did in this case is truly morally wrong, and I won't support it. That's all I've ever said.

Just like the fact that the rest of us mere mortals (SH5 players) chose to buy said software (GAME) despite such relatively minor, (inconsequential really)restrictions does not make us UN-principled...it just means that we realize that its just a game. :arrgh!:
Can you show one instance where I've said that anyone but me shouldn't buy the game? It doesn't matter to me how minor the restriction is. To me if it's wrong it's wrong. Period.

I could just as easily retort that it sounds like you're trying to justify your own guilty conscience for giving in to temptation when others have stood strong. But I don't really ascribe that type of motive to anyone, and I don't trust my own motives or reasons enough to accuse anyone else of having bad ones.

A question was asked. I answered it. You seem to think I'm trying to convince others. I'm not. As I said, it's just my reason for opposing it. I don't expect it to be anyone else's.

Sailor Steve

03-31-11, 05:28 PM

Steve , you should remove the constant conection logo in your sig .
I can make a new one for you with connection required to play or something like that .
It doesn't say "constant", it says "permanent". Do you not have to have a connection to log on? Do you only have to have it at 3 PM, and not when you log on at 6 PM? I'm hoping it's not permanent, which means that someday it will be removed. Until that happens, it looks pretty permanent to me.

However, if you want to make one that says "Internet connection STILL required to log on", I'll gladly accept your offer.

On the other other hand, though the meaning is very obvious, it doesn't name a specific game...:O:

ddrgn

03-31-11, 05:36 PM

It doesn't say "constant", it says "permanent". Do you not have to have a connection to log on? Do you only have to have it at 3 PM, and not when you log on at 6 PM? I'm hoping it's not permanent, which means that someday it will be removed. Until that happens, it looks pretty permanent to me.

However, if you want to make one that says "Internet connection STILL required to log on", I'll gladly accept your offer.

On the other other hand, though the meaning is very obvious, it doesn't name a specific game...:O:

What if we all pitched in a bought you a copy?:cool:

CCIP

03-31-11, 05:41 PM

Pitched in? To heck with that.

I have to confess to something... I actually own two copies, one 'hard' copy, one Ubi.com digital copy that I never actually used. I've been hanging on to it just in case, but... Steve, if you want to hop on, I would be happy to let you have that digital download copy :D

ddrgn

03-31-11, 05:44 PM

Sailor Steve

03-31-11, 05:47 PM

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

I could buy it at Amazon right now for less than five bucks. But...

As I've said, I will gladly pay full price, warts, flaws and all, once the DRM is completely and officially removed.

I've also said elsewhere that if someone gave me a copy I would give it right back. I don't apply my principles to anyone else, but they are mine, and they're all I have left, so I'll stand buy them until the day I die.

THE_MASK

03-31-11, 05:48 PM

He doesnt want a copy until the online connection is dropped all together . If no one complained then they would never drop it which would suck . It should be optional . I like my cloud saves but would like to be able to have a choice .

Sailor Steve

03-31-11, 06:06 PM

New sig. Thanks Sober. :rock:

Sailor Steve

03-31-11, 06:26 PM

Steve, you keep raising the same argument,
Sorry to bring this up again, but I thought this sounded familiar, and you already made that "civil liberties" case, and I've already explained myself, and in this very thread. Why are you stuck on this?
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1614611&postcount=171

Bilge_Rat

03-31-11, 06:27 PM

New sig. Thanks Sober. :rock:

its about time, like spring cleaning, it has to be done once a year..

..although I would have said "Internet connection "only" required at login"...:ping:

Bilge_Rat

03-31-11, 06:31 PM

Sorry to bring this up again, but I thought this sounded familiar, and you already made that "civil liberties" case, and I've already explained myself, and in this very thread. Why are you stuck on this?
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1614611&postcount=171

because you feel the need to keep repeating your "principled" opposition over and over and over...well you get the point..

..sometimes I feel the need to repeat myself also. I also want to make sure you are not repeating yourself over and over again because of old age, "old people" do that, you know...:ahoy:

Sailor Steve

03-31-11, 06:34 PM

"old people" do that, you know...:ahoy:
Do what?

..although I would have said "Internet connection "only" required at login"...:ping:
That's because you see the DRM as an acceptable inconvenience, and are happy when it's reduced a little.

I, on the other hand, see it as an unwarranted intrusion, and mock them for throwing us a bone by removing it "just a little".

Jimbuna

04-01-11, 03:14 PM

Do what?

That's because you see the DRM as an acceptable inconvenience, and are happy when it's reduced a little.

I, on the other hand, see it as an unwarranted intrusion, and mock them for throwing us a bone by removing it "just a little".

I have it but I do understand and respect your position/viewpont and the fact you above so many others have remained consistent in it :yep:

-Pv-

04-01-11, 11:17 PM

Hang in there Steve. UBI doesn't want my money either.
-Pv-

zakarpatska

04-02-11, 06:53 AM

They don't seem to want my money either.

minispace

04-03-11, 02:52 PM

How much $$$ is Ubisoft actually losing out on at this point, if you refuse to buy SH5 for <$5 on Amazon? :)

I wish they should have just used Steam for DRM since it Ubi's is pretty lame.

Sailor Steve

04-03-11, 04:29 PM

How much $$$ is Ubisoft actually losing out on at this point, if you refuse to buy SH5 for <$5 on Amazon? :)
It isn't about the money, and never has been.

Yosarian

04-03-11, 05:46 PM

How much $$$ is Ubisoft actually losing out on at this point, if you refuse to buy SH5 for <$5 on Amazon? :)

Nothing, because Amazon as a reseller has already bought the game from Ubisoft for their sale price. So Ubisoft has received the money for it and now it is just a matter of Amazon's to selling the game to the end user and cover the costs and perhaps earn a profit here.

All the games in a EB Games store for example are been already paid at the publishers. No matter whether the EB Games store ever sold them, the publisher got its sale price for the games in that shop.

minispace

04-03-11, 06:07 PM

That was my point. Ubisoft is never going to get your money, unless you purchase SH5 for the full price on Steam or Gamersgate, or something.

I understand the principle behind not purchasing a game with DRM. I myself put off buying SH3 until I read that Starforce had been removed. Like I said, UPlay is pretty lame, and a game like SH5 has no compelling reason to require any kind of online connection.

aniruddha

10-29-14, 06:50 AM

I know my question is kind of silly...........................and would seem off the topic............but how did you minimize the game?:06:

Aktungbby

10-29-14, 01:35 PM

aniruddha! :Kaleun_Salute:

Jimbuna

10-30-14, 07:53 AM

Welcome to SubSim aniruddha :sunny:

THEBERBSTER

10-30-14, 01:37 PM

A warm welcome ‘anirrudha’ to the Subsim family. :subsim:

You will always find someone here to help you.:)

Link to my SH3 – SH4 – SH5 posts::salute:

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http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=211804 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=211804)

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