View Full Version : Tired of people shooting cops...
Bubblehead1980
10-30-10, 12:46 PM
Found out this morning that yesterday around 10 am that a friend of my family who is a Deputy Sheriff back home in Florida was one of three shot when he responded to a home invasion call.The place where the incident occured is a nice upscale area of my hometown.The scumbag also shot the woman who was in the home at the time, he was later captured by the SWAT team.
I know cops are a pain in the ass and most are jerks.No offense to anyone here who is retired LE.I once considered that career path and did many ride alongs, made friends with many officers/deputies, even dated a rather attractive female deputy for a few months but in the end, not the career for me, mostly because of the type of people I would be working with and honestly LEO's do no make enough money. I chose to pursue law school instead after graduating college.Anyway, pain in the ass as most cops are, do not deserve to be shot at esp by some scumbag pulling off a home invasion.Just tired of this crap, just about a month ago another Deputy was shot in the leg in my hometown when he discovered a meth lab at a Motel 6, luckily they shot and killed the dirtbag in return.
Luckily, two of the deputy's hit yesterday were saved by their body armor and were released, the other who is a friend of the family was not so lucky and is in ICU, the bullet went through the side where the body armor does not protect.
I think the death penalty would be a good thing for the shooter considering he shot four people....the woman and three cops.
I don't know how it is in the States, but generally in the UK, people who shoot coppers either die before being arrested or die in prison. Well, that's how it used to be anyway, because the police looked after their own. With the modern paperwork filled force, I'm not sure what the current in house rules are, but I should imagine it's still the same.
Shootings are a growing trend, even in the UK, perhaps due to the lack of respect the general public has towards the force these days due to the drubbing they get in the media through the actions of some bad eggs. For quite a few people it seems that the police are as much of the enemy as the criminals are. :nope:
Platapus
10-30-10, 12:56 PM
I think shooting a LE during the commission of a crime, should be tried as a separate charge in addition to the charges for the crime itself.
If a criminal is willing to shoot a police officer, what hope do unarmed citizens have?
A successful conviction of killing a police officer should be an automatic death sentence.
Buddahaid
10-30-10, 01:03 PM
He'll file suit that his rights were violated somehow due to excessive police force in not allowing him to get away with it. :nope:
Takeda Shingen
10-30-10, 01:06 PM
I'm all for turning a blind eye to the treatment of people that attempt to harm or kill police officers. Take a swipe at the cops and face the consequences.
Bubblehead1980
10-30-10, 01:08 PM
I don't know how it is in the States, but generally in the UK, people who shoot coppers either die before being arrested or die in prison. Well, that's how it used to be anyway, because the police looked after their own. With the modern paperwork filled force, I'm not sure what the current in house rules are, but I should imagine it's still the same.
Shootings are a growing trend, even in the UK, perhaps due to the lack of respect the general public has towards the force these days due to the drubbing they get in the media through the actions of some bad eggs. For quite a few people it seems that the police are as much of the enemy as the criminals are. :nope:
Well that is how it used to be in the states but the wave of liberalism that hit the US justice system and LE in last 20 years or so prevents it now for most part.Cops "abuse" a perp here, they end up with the charges dropped , nice settlement and the officers in jail.I saw this guys mugshot and he had a nice lump on his head, I suspect he must have "tripped" :haha:
Shootings are up in the UK? Perhaps time for UK beat cops to carry sidearms?
Betonov
10-30-10, 01:12 PM
Loved the old yugoslavian system, you did harm to a cop his buddies would drag you to a cellar and beat the crap out of you. Had ways of inflicting maximum pain for least injuries. Excesive force was a doctrine back then, not a breach of rights
Platapus
10-30-10, 01:21 PM
Loved the old yugoslavian system, you did harm to a cop his buddies would drag you to a cellar and beat the crap out of you. Had ways of inflicting maximum pain for least injuries. Excesive force was a doctrine back then, not a breach of rights
I guess it would suck if the cop's buddies picked the wrong guy. :nope:
Buddahaid
10-30-10, 02:03 PM
Here's a perfect new case. The family will sue for wrongful death/excessive police force because he was mentally compromised somehow. No gun involved but a lethal weapon used (car).
Buddahaid
10-30-10, 02:04 PM
Here's a perfect new case. The family will sue for wrongful death/excessive police force because he was mentally compromised somehow. No gun involved but a lethal weapon used (car).
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/30/BADL1G4GM9.DTL
Jimbuna
10-30-10, 02:11 PM
I don't know how it is in the States, but generally in the UK, people who shoot coppers either die before being arrested or die in prison. Well, that's how it used to be anyway, because the police looked after their own. With the modern paperwork filled force, I'm not sure what the current in house rules are, but I should imagine it's still the same.
Shootings are a growing trend, even in the UK, perhaps due to the lack of respect the general public has towards the force these days due to the drubbing they get in the media through the actions of some bad eggs. For quite a few people it seems that the police are as much of the enemy as the criminals are. :nope:
If your equipped with a firearm during the commission of a crime it is highly likely you will be confronted by an armed response unit/team/vehicle (whichever is nearest).
My advise to any ar$ehole finding themselves in such a situation would be to surrender your firearm with immediate effect because if it is perceived you present a danger to the public or those officers responding you are then gambling whether the order to fire will be given.
If such an order is given then it is the lawful intent that you will be incapacitated/killed....the only way to reduce the risk to an acceptable level.
Well that is how it used to be in the states but the wave of liberalism that hit the US justice system and LE in last 20 years or so prevents it now for most part.Cops "abuse" a perp here, they end up with the charges dropped , nice settlement and the officers in jail.I saw this guys mugshot and he had a nice lump on his head, I suspect he must have "tripped" :haha:
Shootings are up in the UK? Perhaps time for UK beat cops to carry sidearms?
A figure approaching nearly 10% already are or are already firearms trained.
There have been a few 'soundings' by the Police Federation over the years and thus far the figures maintain a large majority of serving officers who would prefer not to be armed.
To shoot a police officer or hurt her or him, is a clear abuse of the rule of law
Jimbuna
10-30-10, 02:18 PM
Huh?
XabbaRus
10-30-10, 02:29 PM
Jim am I right in understanding that our firearms cops are trained to shoot to kill when given the order to shoot / threat is considered such that the policeman can justify taking the shot with out orders and therefore it is as you said best to giveup straight away?
A bit like the case of that lawyer chap shot in London last year.
Jimbuna
10-30-10, 03:30 PM
Jim am I right in understanding that our firearms cops are trained to shoot to kill when given the order to shoot / threat is considered such that the policeman can justify taking the shot with out orders and therefore it is as you said best to giveup straight away?
A bit like the case of that lawyer chap shot in London last year.
Pretty much so, not that you'd ever get an official answer/admission.....during firearms training you are taught to aim for the largest section of the target which is always the torso (the home of the most vital organ the heart), sniper training is different I am informed, magnified/night sights etc.
In the case of the lawyer he had already previously discharged his weapon IIRC or had repeatedly threatened do so.
It would probably be at this point that clearance to fire was given should he pose a threat to the public/police etc........he did just that, he discharged his weapon and was met with a hail of overwhelming firepower.
No officer likes to take a life but sometimes you have little or no choice.
Ever wondered why the criminal seldom survives one an officer has discharged his weapon?
Sailor Steve
10-30-10, 03:52 PM
I agree - shooting anyone just for doing his job deserves punishment. When the job is protecting others that punishment needs to be maximized.
Bubblehead1980
10-30-10, 06:56 PM
Yes cops are taugh to "shoot to kill" in their basic firearms courses, because in split second decision to fire or not, they aim at the largest area, the torso.I get mad when I hear people say "why dont you just shoot them in the leg" etc I've been to the range with officers in the past...one I know who is ex military is quite fond of the "two to the chest, one to the head" philosophy lol.
,,,one I know who is ex military is quite fond of the "two to the chest, one to the head" philosophy lol.
That crap might be ok for the battlefield but it's called murder here in the states.
Jimbuna
10-31-10, 07:13 AM
That crap might be ok for the battlefield but it's called murder here in the states.
Yeah....I thought John Wayne had passed away :doh:
Firing a weapon in a firearms situation is a SERIOUS BUSINESS and should only be carried out when all other, less violent options have been attempted or discounted.
One exception being the need to protect yourself and or the public from imminent danger.
Yeah....I thought John Wayne had passed away :doh:
Firing a weapon in a firearms situation is a SERIOUS BUSINESS and should only be carried out when all other, less violent options have been attempted or discounted.
One exception being the need to protect yourself and or the public from imminent danger.
Yep.
Now I understand the "two in the chest". If a policeman has to fire his weapon then center mass is the place to aim, but the "one in the head" is meant as a coup de grace to finish off a suspect. Not something I want my police to be doing.
With that kind of attitude, Bubbleheads pal isn't fit to wear a badge.
Bubblehead1980
10-31-10, 12:12 PM
Yep.
Now I understand the "two in the chest". If a policeman has to fire his weapon then center mass is the place to aim, but the "one in the head" is meant as a coup de grace to finish off a suspect. Not something I want my police to be doing.
With that kind of attitude, Bubbleheads pal isn't fit to wear a badge.
lol oh hes a good cop, been on ride alongs with him, good guy but prob the Marine in him talking.Really though, if someone has taken things to the level where they are involved in gunplay with the police, two the head and one to the chest is absolutely justified and pretty sure if they had cause to open fire, they wouldn't catch any flak for it or prob in the south anyway.Just as justified as as if a Marine did that to some insurgent in Iraq or Afghanistan, criminal who opens fire is a waste of protoplasm in same manner a muslim insurgent is.
JokerOfFate
10-31-10, 12:30 PM
lol oh hes a good cop, been on ride alongs with him, good guy but prob the Marine in him talking.Really though, if someone has taken things to the level where they are involved in gunplay with the police, two the head and one to the chest is absolutely justified and pretty sure if they had cause to open fire, they wouldn't catch any flak for it or prob in the south anyway.Just as justified as as if a Marine did that to some insurgent in Iraq or Afghanistan, criminal who opens fire is a waste of protoplasm in same manner a muslim insurgent is.
I agree :yep:
Yeah....I thought John Wayne had passed away :doh:
Firing a weapon in a firearms situation is a SERIOUS BUSINESS and should only be carried out when all other, less violent options have been attempted or discounted.
One exception being the need to protect yourself and or the public from imminent danger.
That's only because you're a British :O:
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Firearm homicide rate
per 100,000 pop.
England & Wales: 0.12
United States: 2.97
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence
:o
The justice system is a freakin mess, I thought three strikes and you are out, there are violent carreer criminals walking among us with rap sheets as far as the eye can see, preying on us, and the law would rather jail someone for j walking than keep violent criminals locked up. I live in Florida it's like Dodge City in some places.
Happy Times
10-31-10, 01:48 PM
A figure approaching nearly 10% already are or are already firearms trained.
There have been a few 'soundings' by the Police Federation over the years and thus far the figures maintain a large majority of serving officers who would prefer not to be armed.
Well have the public that pays for the police been asked? I personally dont understand the point.
In Finland every patrol officer is armed and for the past twenty years they have been required to be also in very good physical condition.
Dont mess with the Finnish police.:salute:
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Looks like Mad Max to me.:rock:
Takeda Shingen
10-31-10, 04:02 PM
Looks like Mad Max to me.:rock:
That's exactly what I thought when I saw the first photo.
Onkel Neal
10-31-10, 04:32 PM
Found out this morning that yesterday around 10 am that a friend of my family who is a Deputy Sheriff back home in Florida was one of three shot when he responded to a home invasion call.The place where the incident occured is a nice upscale area of my hometown.The scumbag also shot the woman who was in the home at the time, he was later captured by the SWAT team.
I know cops are a pain in the ass and most are jerks.No offense to anyone here who is retired LE.I once considered that career path and did many ride alongs, made friends with many officers/deputies, even dated a rather attractive female deputy for a few months but in the end, not the career for me, mostly because of the type of people I would be working with and honestly LEO's do no make enough money. I chose to pursue law school instead after graduating college.Anyway, pain in the ass as most cops are, do not deserve to be shot at esp by some scumbag pulling off a home invasion.Just tired of this crap, just about a month ago another Deputy was shot in the leg in my hometown when he discovered a meth lab at a Motel 6, luckily they shot and killed the dirtbag in return.
Luckily, two of the deputy's hit yesterday were saved by their body armor and were released, the other who is a friend of the family was not so lucky and is in ICU, the bullet went through the side where the body armor does not protect.
I think the death penalty would be a good thing for the shooter considering he shot four people....the woman and three cops.
I agree, although most if not all of the cops I have met could use a lot more professionalism and be more interested in law enforcement outside of traffic tickets, no police officer should have to face the threat of injury or death. IMO, shoot a cop (like this suspect), you're on death row.
krashkart
10-31-10, 04:36 PM
I don't think I'd mess with anything Finnish to begin with. :huh:
nikimcbee
10-31-10, 04:42 PM
We need Hanomag or 1480 here!:hmmm:
I miss Mel, he's more mental than I.
TLAM Strike
10-31-10, 09:11 PM
About four years since this happened here... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_%22Bucky%22_Phillips) :down:
He was then 25 years at least, which is regarded as fairly low in the light of what happened
Bubblehead1980
10-31-10, 11:31 PM
About four years since this happened here... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_%22Bucky%22_Phillips) :down:
I remember seeing this on tv and talking about it with friends of mine who are in LE.Bucky is a bit nutty.
Jimbuna
11-01-10, 04:31 PM
Yep.
Now I understand the "two in the chest". If a policeman has to fire his weapon then center mass is the place to aim, but the "one in the head" is meant as a coup de grace to finish off a suspect. Not something I want my police to be doing.
With that kind of attitude, Bubbleheads pal isn't fit to wear a badge.
A point well worthy of consideration.
Jimbuna
11-01-10, 04:34 PM
That's only because you're a British :O:
I trusted in my training and it saw me through many years service.
Well have the public that pays for the police been asked? I personally dont understand the point.
In Finland every patrol officer is armed and for the past twenty years they have been required to be also in very good physical condition.
Dont mess with the Finnish police.:salute:
Similarly the British Police Force.
IMO Cops of any nationality are a bad idea to mess with. Except apparently in Greece where I understand that messing with cops is a national pastime. :DL
The Third Man
11-01-10, 08:34 PM
I'm tired of cops shooting people.
Takeda Shingen
11-01-10, 08:38 PM
IMO Cops of any nationality are a bad idea to mess with. Except apparently in Greece where I understand that messing with cops is a national pastime. :DL
:haha:
Jimbuna
11-02-10, 09:00 AM
IMO Cops of any nationality are a bad idea to mess with. Except apparently in Greece where I understand that messing with cops is a national pastime. :DL
LOL :DL
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I'm tired of cops shooting people. and no policeman look with pleasure at using his weapon, against a potential suspect, it is my opinion based on personal experience
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