North Korea troops 'fire into South Korea'

[Gerald]

North and South Korean troops have exchanged fire across the border, South Korean officials say.

North Korea fired two rounds towards a frontline unit and South Korean soldiers returned fire three times.

The shooting occurred in Hwacheon, some 90km (56 miles) north-east of the South's capital, Seoul, according to reports from South Korea's YTN TV.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11650810



Note:29 October 2010 Last updated at 11:10 GMT

[the_tyrant]

If the war does start, could we have a gambling thread?
Please, please, please?

[Raptor1]

If the war does start, could we have a gambling thread?
Please, please, please?

Gambling on this sort of war is useless, everybody would bet on one side if they want to win.

Either way, this isn't too extraordinary, so there's no special reason why a war should start.

EDIT: Oh, and technically the last war is still on, so there won't be any need for starting a new war.

[Oberon]

Business as usual on the DMZ then... :yep:

[Rockstar]

Wonder if the Chinese are probing in an attempt to exploit a perceived weakness. U.S. economy on the downside, deployments to Iran, Pakistan. Homeland security, border issues and rising violence in Mexico. Wanting to see the resolve of the U.S. and how willing it is to push back. They certainly would love to diminish U.S. influence in the Pacific.

Just keeps piling up doesn't


Or is this just par for course in Korea?

[joegrundman]

yes, it's just par for the course

[SteamWake]

Wait what again??

Doesnet this happen like every year or so?

[Weiss Pinguin]

But this time it was two rounds! and then 3 more back the other way!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f335/Yag44/Vault-tec.png
Now's the time to reserve your place, while you still can!

[Gerald]

And the next it might be three rounds, it is not the first time it happens turbulent things across the border

[Buddahaid]

Wonder if the Chinese are probing in an attempt to exploit a perceived weakness. U.S. economy on the downside, deployments to Iran, Pakistan. Homeland security, border issues and rising violence in Mexico. Wanting to see the resolve of the U.S. and how willing it is to push back. They certainly would love to diminish U.S. influence in the Pacific.

Just keeps piling up doesn't


Or is this just par for course in Korea?

The Chinese will wage economic war and back that up with arms. NK is a puppet diversion to keep the west on edge.

[Ducimus]

Par for course. Seriously, if the axe murder incident and operation Paul Bunyan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_murder_incident)didn't rekindle the war, 5 pot shots certainly won't.

[Gerald]

Axe Murder Incident, I remember the situation

[Rockstar]

I read the article. They make demand, we say no. Still they go ahead and fire a shot. When an agreement is finally agreed upon their fearless leader can say it was on account of their military might that forced us to the table. The games we play.

But then again like I said things do seem to be piling up. Others are watching too and if they perceive U.S. weakness. It will be much harder for the U.S. to make friends and influence people in the Asian/Pacific region. It's no secret China wants the U.S. out of their neighborhood. If the U.S. cannot or will not respond sufficiently those others who are watching will be forced to find a new found respect for China. And liberty ports will be constrained to the western seaboard of the U.S.

[Castout]

Sooner or later war will break out again in Korea. I just believe it's not a question of if but when.

Let's see if this comes to eventuality give it some time . . .


If you don't think so you're implying it's okay for North Korea to develop and own nuclear arsenal and nuclear ballistic missiles. . . . .I would rather Iran have them than North Korea.

The only thing keeping the allies from starting war with North Korea is the hope that it will give up its nuclear arms ambition and the regime's peaceful collapse(which to me is very unlikely) and the number of casualties that would be suffered by both sides, a hope which wanes as time progresses as the risk factors are outweighed by urgency to stop North Korea from building their nuclear arsenal and the long term global instability and nuclear terrorism threat if that's allowed to continue. US and her allies will never ever tolerate a nuclear armed North Korea. Both side will get frustrated and then it would come to the question on who's going to provoke the other first. . .
and North Korea is the expert of provocation since it is the one side which is frustrated and desperate the most. Sooner or later one of their provocation will get out of tolerance limit and oblige the allies to respond with military action.

Heck North Korea nuclear issue is even more urgent than Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda issue.

[Ducimus]

Sooner or later war will break out again in Korea. I just believe it's not a question of if but when.

I think that will only happen if the DPRK feels it has nothing left to lose. Then, maybe, it will go for broke. Open war would mean the end of North Korea.

What NK is best at, is a little game called brinkmanship. They've been doing it for years. If it was considered an art, the DPRK would be it's Rembrandt.

edit:
The only thing keeping the allies from starting war with North Korea is the hope that it will give up its nuclear arms ambition and the regime's peaceful collapse

You mean the ROK and the US. I seriously doubt anyone in the US at any level, has any motivation to rekindle that war. It's much easier to rotate troops every year, and keep the policy of containment. No one in the US that I ever talked to wants to start shooting, infact, nobody on the US side of things even wants to be there. Amongst US forces in korea, theres a common/popular rumor that we're really there to keep the south from invading the north. Not the other way around. lol

edit:
On that note, the Korean Armed Forces are some tough sonsabitch's.

[Platapus]

Amongst US forces in korea, theres a common/popular rumor that we're really there to keep the south from invading the north. Not the other way around. lol



When I was stationed in Korea in the 80's that was exactly what we thought. We used to joke that in a case of real fighting, the US forces would need exactly twice the amount of ammo. :|\\

[Gerald]

Friday's incident occurred two weeks before the G-20 summit in Seoul. The G-20 includes industrialized nations and developing economies, which focus on economic issues and economic policy coordination.

Authorities said a total of 50,000 police and riot police will be deployed during the summit on November 11 and 12, according to Yonhap.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/10/29/korea.border.incident/index.html


Note:October 29, 2010 -- Updated 1402 GMT (2202 HKT)

[the_tyrant]

When I was stationed in Korea in the 80's that was exactly what we thought. We used to joke that in a case of real fighting, the US forces would need exactly twice the amount of ammo. :|\\

Wait, I don't get it. Why would you guys need exactly twice the amount of ammo?:hmmm:

[Oberon]

Facing two enemies instead of one? :hmmm::03:

[Platapus]

Wait, I don't get it. Why would you guys need exactly twice the amount of ammo?:hmmm:

How many Koreas are there?

[Gerald]

In NK, 22,665,345 (2009) Citizen

[Jimbuna]

How many Koreas are there?

Probably a few hundred per day dying from starvation and lack of medical care :hmmm:

[Platapus]

How many Koreas are there?

In NK, 22,665,345 (2009) Citizen

Probably a few hundred per day dying from starvation and lack of medical care :hmmm:

You did not read my question correctly. :D

[Gerald]

Throughout Korea approx. 72 million citizens .... but I guess you're referring to something completely different.... :hmm2:

[Jimbuna]

You did not read my question correctly. :D

Possibly, but if so....my apologies :DL

[krashkart]

How many Koreas are there?

Two. ;)

[Platapus]

Ding! A winner!! :yeah::salute:

[Gerald]

And what is the prize to the winner...

[krashkart]

An autographed portrait of Merrill McPeak? :O:

[Gerald]

http://imgur.com/EUZeP.jpg

[Platapus]

An autographed portrait of Merrill McPeak? :O:

We do not mention "he who must not be named" in this forum!! :stare:

The soon this abomination can be forgotten, the sooner humanity can start the healing process.

[krashkart]

We do not mention "he who must not be named" in this forum!! :stare:

The soon this abomination can be forgotten, the sooner humanity can start the healing process.


Sorry, could not resist. :DL

[Castout]

I think that will only happen if the DPRK feels it has nothing left to lose. Then, maybe, it will go for broke. Open war would mean the end of North Korea.

What NK is best at, is a little game called brinkmanship. They've been doing it for years. If it was considered an art, the DPRK would be it's Rembrandt.

edit:


You mean the ROK and the US. I seriously doubt anyone in the US at any level, has any motivation to rekindle that war. It's much easier to rotate troops every year, and keep the policy of containment. No one in the US that I ever talked to wants to start shooting, infact, nobody on the US side of things even wants to be there. Amongst US forces in korea, theres a common/popular rumor that we're really there to keep the south from invading the north. Not the other way around. lol

edit:
On that note, the Korean Armed Forces are some tough sonsabitch's.

Yeah I'm aware of the South Korean Armed forces prety scary big guys they have there. The North's elite soldiers are too but just seemed to be less threatening with smaller figure.

Well to me if North Korea is allowed to build nuclear arsenal then ANY OTHER country would be justified to build them as well hence global proliferation. If not it wouldn't be fair and logical. North Korea is the flood gate of global nuclear arm proliferation

The South wouldn't want to invade the North, they see little reason to unite the peninsula because it would burden the South's economy much. The South Koreans are unlike the Germans who still able to view the East as one German nation and willing to be burdened with the cost and social problems especially in the early days.

[Ducimus]

The South wouldn't want to invade the North, they see little reason to unite the peninsula because it would burden the South's economy much. The South Koreans are unlike the Germans who still able to view the East as one German nation and willing to be burdened with the cost and social problems especially in the early days.

Are you sure? I've lived there for over a year, and the impression I walked away with is this:

Both sides want a united Korea, because both have something the other needs. The north has raw material, and land, something the south is in short supply of. The south has industry, jobs, (food). Something the North is in short supply of. The trouble is, both want it all, their way.

I could be wrong, but having lived and interacted with them for over a year, that's the impression i had.


and on another subject.

McPeak is the devil! the USAF is a far better place without him.

[Oberon]

Snag being, the several million starving North Koreans who will descend upon the south and leave it looking like a plague of locusts have befallen it.
Like the fall of the GDR magnified by about ten million. :doh:

[Gerald]

There are significant numbers, :06:

[TLAM Strike]

Snag being, the several million starving North Koreans who will descend upon the south and leave it looking like a plague of locusts have befallen it.
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5048/2hxx649.jpg