Will I make it through the election to lord over the progressives?

[The Third Man]

Will I make it through the election to lord over the progressives? Or will the lib/progs not allow me to stay?

[Oberon]

:yawn:

[The Third Man]

I don't think I will be here. But time will tell. I guess it is a challenge to SubSim allow the other opinion be heard.

[Oberon]

Does it really matter? :hmmm:

[The Third Man]

Does it really matter? :hmmm:

It does. Because it shows a political stance from a board and moderators which claim to be non-political. But punish those who are political. Political which is not their view.

[August]

It does. Because it shows a political stance from a board and moderators which claim to be non-political. But punish those who are political. Political which is not their view.

You're wrong and I think you know it.

[the_tyrant]

what are you guys even talking about? I clicked yes anyways

[The Third Man]

You're wrong and I think you know it.

Next you will call me Wastegate. Join the club....everyone is doing it.

[August]

Next you will call me Wastegate. Join the club....everyone is doing it.

I thought your complaint was political. Now it's about some long banned troll? Which is it?

[Oberon]

It does. Because it shows a political stance from a board and moderators which claim to be non-political. But punish those who are political. Political which is not their view.

I highly doubt it is what you are saying but how you are saying it that is what causes such consternation. After all, this is a mostly military based board, and quite Republican leaning, on many other boards you would have been banned long ago, and a few other members besides, if anything I dare say there are many out there who feel that there is too much leniency going on in the General Topics section at the moment, but that is not for me to comment on.
Now, if you take it upon yourself to seek war with the moderators and admin of this board, then I certainly can't change your opinion or frame of mind but bid you a farewell on your inevitable removal, one member in a cast of nearly fifty-six thousand, ninety-five percent of whom are quite capable of staying within the agreed framework of courtesy and politeness, and who have never been warned in their time on these boards, let alone been 'brigged' or 'keelhauled'. It is, however, a shame that the five percent (or more likely much lower) who seek to cause nothing but flaming and bad feelings between members are the ones who seem to attract the greater attention, as one member put it "Only on Subsim do the trolls have 903 posts", and perhaps this does point to a leniency on the moderators behalf, however I can hardly fault the moderators in this regard because they are human too and I would put money on the fact that they have made decisions which in a later frame of mind they may look back on and question themselves, many moderators have done so and stood down as a result, I know of at least one moderator who resigned from moderating the General Topics forum because he could not be impartial enough to do so. So I would hesitate before accusing the moderators and admins of this board of bias, because there is no-one who judges them more harshly than themselves.
So, perhaps the moral of the story is to examine the method in which you are trying to get your message across, and consider if you actually want to be a member of this forum any more.
If you want to stay, then you will need to abide by the rules and regulations set down by the moderators and admins of this board, as you would in any law abiding society, and if there is a problem with a moderator you discuss it in a calm and rational manner, as you would in life outside of this forum. After all, striding up to a policeman and verbally abusing him would most likely assure you of a different kind of 'brig time'.
If you want to leave, then do so and do not return for the situation will not have changed, governments come and go, but Subsim has outlasted them, and its traditions and rules and regulations have abided.

It is entirely your decision, welcome to the free world.

[DarkFish]

what are you guys even talking about? I clicked yes anywaysas far as I can tell, The Third Man is afraid he'll get banned because of his constant spamming about how bad the progressives are.

EDIT: nevermind the second part of my post that used to be here, Oberon put it much clearer, in a way with which I couldn't agree more myself.

[nikimcbee]

I highly doubt it is what you are saying but how you are saying it that is what causes such consternation. After all, this is a mostly military based board, and quite Republican leaning, on many other boards you would have been banned long ago, and a few other members besides, if anything I dare say there are many out there who feel that there is too much leniency going on in the General Topics section at the moment, but that is not for me to comment on.
Now, if you take it upon yourself to seek war with the moderators and admin of this board, then I certainly can't change your opinion or frame of mind but bid you a farewell on your inevitable removal, one member in a cast of nearly fifty-six thousand, ninety-five percent of whom are quite capable of staying within the agreed framework of courtesy and politeness, and who have never been warned in their time on these boards, let alone been 'brigged' or 'keelhauled'. It is, however, a shame that the five percent (or more likely much lower) who seek to cause nothing but flaming and bad feelings between members are the ones who seem to attract the greater attention, as one member put it "Only on Subsim do the trolls have 903 posts", and perhaps this does point to a leniency on the moderators behalf, however I can hardly fault the moderators in this regard because they are human too and I would put money on the fact that they have made decisions which in a later frame of mind they may look back on and question themselves, many moderators have done so and stood down as a result, I know of at least one moderator who resigned from moderating the General Topics forum because he could not be impartial enough to do so. So I would hesitate before accusing the moderators and admins of this board of bias, because there is no-one who judges them more harshly than themselves.
So, perhaps the moral of the story is to examine the method in which you are trying to get your message across, and consider if you actually want to be a member of this forum any more.
If you want to stay, then you will need to abide by the rules and regulations set down by the moderators and admins of this board, as you would in any law abiding society, and if there is a problem with a moderator you discuss it in a calm and rational manner, as you would in life outside of this forum. After all, striding up to a policeman and verbally abusing him would most likely assure you of a different kind of 'brig time'.
If you want to leave, then do so and do not return for the situation will not have changed, governments come and go, but Subsim has outlasted them, and its traditions and rules and regulations have abided.

It is entirely your decision, welcome to the free world.

okay skybird.:haha:

[Oberon]

okay skybird.:haha:

:O:

[Dowly]

I highly doubt it is what you are saying but how you are saying it that is what causes such consternation.

This. :yep:

[The Third Man]

I highly doubt it is what you are saying but how you are saying it that is what causes such consternation.


Should I now apolozise for how I am? I am direct, no doubt, but is that wrong?
.
Many others are direct without problem. Perhaps it is what I am direct about which is the problem?

I will miss Tribesman and his spin after the loss of his peeps.

[The Third Man]

I thought your complaint was political. Now it's about some long banned troll? Which is it?


That doesn't even make sense to me. And I'm crazy.

[Ducimus]

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/TheGasMan069/attention-whore-advisory-system.jpg
This thread, condition: Orange.

[The Third Man]

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/TheGasMan069/attention-whore-advisory-system.jpg
ThreatCon: Orange.

Are you telling us everything you are thinking? Or just that which will make another SS member feel bad?

[gimpy117]

you would think the forum is a liberal conspiracy

[FIREWALL]

You left out one other Option for your poll.... I don't care! :haha:

[Ducimus]

Are you telling us everything you are thinking?

I don't have to. You made it fairly obvious what this thread is about....

I don't think I will be here. But time will tell. I guess it is a challenge to SubSim allow the other opinion be heard.
It does. Because it shows a political stance from a board and moderators which claim to be non-political. But punish those who are political. Political which is not their view.

You and your personal agenda basically. This thread was not neccessary. All your doing is calling attention to yourself.... kinda like this:

http://coolaggregator.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/attention-whore3.jpg

Honestly, i hope you stick your foot in your mouth again. What was it last time? Ah yes, making real world threats against a forum member in true ITG fashion.

[krashkart]

You left out one other Option for your poll.... I don't care! :haha:

:sign_yeah:

[gimpy117]

You left out one other Option for your poll.... I don't care! :haha:

is that the report post button?

[CCIP]

You know, when you threaten other members of the forum to send kill squads or get their instructor's license revoked, your political opinion or your critique of the moderators is completely void when it comes to actions made in your regard. Honestly, it's either a big fluke or real generosity on Neal's part that you're still here. You're well past three strikes as regard to forum rules, which by the way are entirely apolitical. Everyone's perfectly happy to have your political views here, we'd just rather you leave the trolling and personal attacks at the door.

[The Third Man]

3 to 3 is a inacurate poll. Tell the truth. I dare you.

[Dowly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM

[Sailor Steve]

If you discuss issues in a rational manner, then yes.

If you attack people and call them names, and act like you're always right and anyone who disagrees with you deserves derision, then probably not.

Many people here express differing political views without managing to offend everybody. The only ones who get in trouble usually end up claiming it was over their "political views", when actually it's because of the way they express them.

My answer (also not listed as an option)? We'll see.

[The Third Man]

If you discuss issues in a rational manner, then yes.

If you attack people and call them names, and act like you're always right and anyone who disagrees with you deserves derision, then probably not.

Many people here express differing political views without managing to offend everybody. The only ones who get in trouble usually end up claiming it was over their "political views", when actually it's because of the way they express them.

My answer (also not listed as an option)? We'll see.

So it isn't the opinion. but how I express them? OK. So when I don't like the way others express their opinions can I complain? and expect the same retribution?

[the_tyrant]

You know, when you threaten other members of the forum to send kill squads or get their instructor's license revoked, your political opinion or your critique of the moderators is completely void when it comes to actions made in your regard. Honestly, it's either a big fluke or real generosity on Neal's part that you're still here. You're well past three strikes as regard to forum rules, which by the way are entirely apolitical. Everyone's perfectly happy to have your political views here, we'd just rather you leave the trolling and personal attacks at the door.

By banning him we would be proving that he is correct. He would jest get a new account and say that we are discriminating politically.
might as well just let him keep his account, so nobody would take him seriously

[Sailor Steve]

So it isn't the opinion. but how I express them? OK. So when I don't like the way others express their opinions can I complain? and expect the same retribution?
It all depends on how it's expressed. It's possible to claim a dislike of the expression when nothing truly offensive was actually said. For the most part Neal tries to be fair, and insists his moderators do the same. But everyone is human, and it's impossible for anyone to be sane all the time.

But play fair and be reasonable, and you'll get an equal and opposite reaction.

[The Third Man]

By banning him we would be proving that he is correct. seriously


An honest man.

[The Third Man]

It is a hard thing for Subsim. Remove this man because of his politics and how he expresses them. And he is often accused of being some wastegate fellow. And still be seen as being worth while. So hard.

[krashkart]

It is a hard thing for Subsim. Remove this man because of his politics and how he expresses them. And he is often accused of being some wastegate fellow. And still be seen as being worth while. So hard.

Heh. Most of Subsim is probably browsing for information pertaining to whichever video game they're hooked on. How much of the membership really gives a hoot about where one person's political views are concerned?

*shrug*

BTW, you haven't been removed so what's with all the bellyaching? :06:

[The Third Man]

Heh. Most of Subsim is probably browsing for information pertaining to whichever video game they're hooked on. How much of the membership really gives a hoot about where one person's political views are concerned?

*shrug*

BTW, you haven't been removed so what's with all the bellyaching? :06:

Your one.

[jumpy]

C'mon fella... settle down.

Mods here don't remove members for their point of view, but usually for the manner in which they put it (persistently) to other members - tacit agreement to agree to disagree in a polite fashion is part of what being here is all about. That you can question the mods when occasion seems to merit, is a damn sight more leeway than you get on a lot of other boards - as Takeda will confirm (and others).

As others have said: you're drawing the wrong kind of attention to yourself. And all things considered that's not always a good thing.
If you've a perceived idea that the board somehow 'has it in for you', you have to ask two serious questions:
1) why do they think this?
2) what have I done to provoke it?

Nobody likes removing members from the board - it's a thankless task, with no pleasure to be had from it.

At the end of the day (how I hate that term) we have rules here. Everyone is bound by them. So what's the deal, why all the fuss? There are members with much stronger points of view than yours, yet they're still here.

Take a step back - and so will everyone else. There's no need to precipitate antagonism here, really. It serves no purpose.

FYI If I believed the mods here were draconian in their duties and above sensible reproach, I would not have been a member here since 2003.

[DarkFish]

By banning him we would be proving that he is correct.Nope. At subsim nobody's gonna get banned for his political viewpoints, as The Third Man likes to think.
You *can* get banned though for the manner in which you express those viewpoints.

He would jest get a new account and say that we are discriminating politically.
might as well just let him keep his account, so nobody would take him seriouslyAnd he would either have learned his lesson, or he'd get banned again.
Yes, surely he could get another account and do exactly the same things. But should that be a reason *not* to ban him? That's like saying every criminal should get a life sentence, because there's a chance that after his release he'd do criminal things again.

And while you can certainly get around an IP ban, it definitely makes it harder to log in, and requires an extra action each time you do (like setting up a proxy)

[The Third Man]

Cha,
Cha,

Love me?

[Ducimus]

You know, when you threaten other members of the forum to send kill squads or get their instructor's license revoked, your political opinion or your critique of the moderators is completely void when it comes to actions made in your regard. Honestly, it's either a big fluke or real generosity on Neal's part that you're still here. You're well past three strikes as regard to forum rules, which by the way are entirely apolitical. Everyone's perfectly happy to have your political views here, we'd just rather you leave the trolling and personal attacks at the door.

QFE.

[mookiemookie]

You know, when you threaten other members of the forum to send kill squads or get their instructor's license revoked, your political opinion or your critique of the moderators is completely void when it comes to actions made in your regard. Honestly, it's either a big fluke or real generosity on Neal's part that you're still here. You're well past three strikes as regard to forum rules, which by the way are entirely apolitical. Everyone's perfectly happy to have your political views here, we'd just rather you leave the trolling and personal attacks at the door.

This. I'm shocked that he wasn't permabanned after that little escapade.

[The Third Man]

This. I'm shocked that he wasn't permabanned after that little escapade.

I'm shocked also.

[Platapus]

If one feeds trolls, one can't be surprised when they come back for more. :nope:

[The Third Man]

If one feeds trolls, one can't be surprised when they come back for more. :nope:++

Are you the trolll? no

[Takeda Shingen]

I can't believe that this this went on for three pages. My only contribution will be as follows:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_rules3_faq_item

I wish that more people would read the above. Infractions come as a result of behavior, not views. Illustration:

August--Outspoken conservative, member since 2006, zero infractions.
tater--Outspoken conservative, member since 2007, zero infractions.
Aramike--Outspoken conservative, member since 2008, zero infractions.

There are three good examples one may follow.


/thread

[Bubblehead1980]

Third Man, we usually agree but going to say that you are wrong on this one.I've expressed some very right wing views and had barely any guff from the mods and that I did get was not about my views but more about my "style" I tend to be combative online and in RL when it comes to discussing law or politics.I believe in being on offense and waging war in a sense, works pretty well for me usually esp in some classes I am taking.Anyway, the mods are fair here, they let the most far right speak in addition to the most far left, which is how it should be.

[August]

Aramike has 0 infractions? I'm pretty sure i've seen his butt in the clink at least once... :DL

[CCIP]

It is also worth noting that most of the serious infractions you received were over things that took place not in political threads, but elsewhere on the forums.

[NeonSamurai]

Ok I think that is quite enough attention.

Thread closed.