Das Boot!

[Gargamel]

Just watched it! Good Flick! Thanks for the recommendation on it! Hated the ending.

[frau kaleun]

Just watched it! Good Flick! Thanks for the recommendation on it! Hated the ending.

Yeah, the ending is pretty hard to take... but thematically appropriate IMO.

[Falkirion]

Yeah its a bloody hard ending to take but its good. And a nice twist on a typical hollywood style ending.

[Hans Uberman]

I too was simultaneously dismayed by the ending, and greatly pleased with the statement it made. Also of note, were the varied and interesting personalities of the crew. The engineer, the reporter, the nazi come home from afar, and quite obviously the captain. Even "minor" members of the crew were expanded on, and it made you really feel for them. The energy as the music raced along with their tiny boat, while they crashed through the waves was quite exhilarating. Sure there are inaccuracies, and I can understand why this would annoy some, but I don't let that stop my enjoyment, as the overall quality overshadows such points.

I only wish there were more good WWII sub films. I've been using this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_films) as a reference, but have seen only a few so far. I just wish there were MORE!!! So far I've only seen "Das Boot", "The Enemy Below", and "U-571". (Did not like "U-571" much.) There's also a 2001 film called "Enigma", which deals with the decoding of the added layer of security which was added to their Enigma machines. It was pretty good.

[Sailor Steve]

One of the more interesting u-boat movies was made by OKM in 1941.

U-Boote Westwärts, if you can find a copy, is a wartime propaganda movie, but quite good for what it is. It's all in German with subtitles, and the Dutch and English characters speak their own languages with subtitles in German.

And Admiral Doenitz plays himself.

[Gargamel]

I gotta agree though, the ending fit..... but i still hated it.

Been wondering though....

Did Ubi watch this flick and say, hey let's make this into a game, or are they both that accurate? Cause during the whole thing, I was right there with them..... I even got a screen shot of my career and the movie going hand in hand. Total coincidence, but the weather and commands in the movie were the exact same as I was giving in my patrol lol. (sorry for large screen shot)...

Nope, lost it. it was a prtScrn capture and I forgot to actually go save it. But I was pulling out of port just as they were, and I swear the scenery was identical.

[VONHARRIS]

I gotta agree though, the ending fit..... but i still hated it.

Been wondering though....

Did Ubi watch this flick and say, hey let's make this into a game, or are they both that accurate? Cause during the whole thing, I was right there with them..... I even got a screen shot of my career and the movie going hand in hand. Total coincidence, but the weather and commands in the movie were the exact same as I was giving in my patrol lol. (sorry for large screen shot)...

Nope, lost it. it was a prtScrn capture and I forgot to actually go save it. But I was pulling out of port just as they were, and I swear the scenery was identical.

You are right. I don't know if UBI took into account the movie but the people who have developed GWX sure did.

Yes , the end is bitter, considering all the troubles the men and U-96 have gone through to get there. I still like this movie even though I have seen numerous times , I can see it again and again.

[bookworm_020]

I think anyone who is interested in subs or has/ still serving on subs agree that "Das Boot" is one of the best sub films ever made. It made you cheer when they succeeded and share their fears and hopes.

"It's a long way......":()1:

[frau kaleun]

For my money, one of the best films ever made, period.

Which is why it was always on my mental list of "films I need to see" even before I was interested in the specific subject matter. I've always been interested in history, military history, and World War II - but my obsession with u-boats in particular came about because of the movie and the impression it made on me. :yep:

And you're correct, by the end of the movie you have become so invested in the crew and their survival after all they've been through that the final scenes are IMO just devastating.

The first time I watched it, I had almost no clue about the plot - I had a vague idea, from seeing stuff about it when it was in the theaters, that it had to do with men struggling to stay alive in a submerged and, presumably, badly damaged u-boat. That was about all I remembered from the brief clips I'd seen.

By the time it actually got to the Gibraltar ordeal, my nerves were pretty much shot and I just did not know how they were going to get out of that situation, or what kind of shape they'd be in if they did. The amazing thing was that I was watching the movie over several evenings because of the length - originally I thought I could watch the first half on a "free" evening and save the second half for the weekend, but of course by the time I got through the first half there was no way I was waiting several days to finish it. Anyway, when I put the disc back in to finish up watching it on the last night, I ended up in "scene selection" and even though I tried not to look at the chapter titles I saw there was one at the end called "Homecoming"...

So, even though there were times in the Gibraltar scenes where I was convinced they were goners, somewhere in the back of my mind I kept thinking "well but there's a homecoming so maybe all hope isn't lost."

And I was so happy and relieved when they brought the boat up and were going home after all!

And then of course we all know how the "homecoming" turned out. And seeing it that first time was just gut-wrenching because all through the movie I kept thinking "it can't get worse for them than this" and then it always did get worse, and then it got so much worse that I started thinking there was no way they were going to make it, and then somehow they would hang in there and survive, and oh look they made it home YAY oh wait what's that noise is that an air raid siren YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! :stare:

:D

[Herr-Berbunch]

I guess the obvious next question is...


Das Boot - Original

Das Boot - Director's Cut

or

Das Boot - Mini Series

:D

[flag4]

I guess the obvious next question is...


Das Boot - Original

Das Boot - Director's Cut

or

Das Boot - Mini Series

:D

i did a thread on this a few weeks ago, i think this is it:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=176077

hope it works. i have the full TV mini series - according to Sailor Steve!!

edit: the book, Das Boot, is a very good read. i have no idea how L-G Bucheim managed to compress boredom page after page and make it so interesting. it is a great shame his other novels are not in english too. read the book then the film, then the film, then the film, then the film....then the book, oh, and dont forget - watch the film - ad infinitum!

[Sailor Steve]

Did Ubi watch this flick and say, hey let's make this into a game, or are they both that accurate?
No. Das Boot is almost thirty years old now. Aces Of The Deep (1994) had traces of Das Boot in it, and there was a Das Boot game as well. Every u-boat sim since then follows in their steps.

You are right. I don't know if UBI took into account the movie but the people who have developed GWX sure did.
Don't forget the team who made the original Das Boot Sound Mod for SH2. That adds more to the movie feeling that any other mod.

@ Herr-Berbunch: You know my answer to that question.
:rotfl2:

As for the ending, I thought it was a bit overdone considering that it was only the captain who appeared to die at the end of the book, and according to the two sequels he actually survived (or so I'm told - they've never been translated into English). I just attribute the ending of the movie to a German passion for opera. Of course they all died! :O:

[frau kaleun]

As for the ending, I thought it was a bit overdone considering that it was only the captain who appeared to die at the end of the book, and according to the two sequels he actually survived (or so I'm told - they've never been translated into English). I just attribute the ending of the movie to a German passion for opera. Of course they all died! :O:

At the end of the book, or at least my translation of it, I don't think it's clear that the commander dies... I believe it ends with Werner finding him just like in the movie, kneeling and watching boat the sink, and then they look at each other and open their mouths as if to scream but nothing comes out... or something like that. I think it's clear that the commander is wounded, but there's nothing there that says "and then he fell over dead" like what happens in the movie. In the movie I guess you could believe that he's only wounded and passes out, but I think everything about the scene implies otherwise.

The 'sequel' or rather the next book featuring the same character just picks up with him alive and IIRC in Brest in 1944 and from what I've been told about it, no reference is made to the events at the end of "Das Boot" or at least not to his having been wounded (or killed and resurrected, lol).

Edit: also I think that the deaths shown or implied at the end of the movie are thematically appropriate, if not actually necessary, especially after the "near death" of the Gibraltar ordeal (not to mention all the narrow if not so harrowing escapes prior to that). It brings home the point that for most of these men - as we know from the text intro and in hindsight from history - death is something that may be delayed but which will prove inevitable. In the case of the commander, there is also the longstanding tradition of a captain going down with his ship - a cliche, yes, but one that can be powerful if used well (which is the case here). We know, or assume, that the commander - and in particular this commander, given his character as portrayed for the previous 3+ hours - will be the last person to leave the boat and thus the one in danger the longest (and if you watch carefully you can see a brief scene of him stumbling away from the gangplank long after everyone else around has run for whatever shelter they can find). That he survives long enough to watch the boat sink, and that all he can do at that point is watch it sink - surely not knowing the fate of most or any of the crew who worked so hard to save her and themselves - only to give up the ghost once it has been well and truly lost... the look in his eyes as he reacts to the loss and then just seems to give up... that for me is perhaps the most poignant moment in the entire film.

[Gargamel]

Theres A book? sweeeeeet.......

I watched the '81 Directors cut, English Dub.

It was a good movie, But I think I would not have been nearly interested in it if I hadn't been playing this game. It made me appreciate their experiences so much more.

[frau kaleun]

Theres A book? sweeeeeet.......

http://www.amazon.com/Das-Boot-Boat-Lothar-G%C3%BCnther-Buchheim/dp/0304352314/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288234762&sr=1-1

But don't order from that link, go to the Subsim Store (click on Quick Links, in the NavBar above all the posts) and do a search for it from the Amazon link here. Then if you buy it, Subsim will get a small cut of the $ from Amazon. :yeah:

[Gargamel]

Having not even checked.... Kindle version?

Edit: And the lazy bum checked..... No kindle version... :(

[Sailor Steve]

At the end of the book, or at least my translation of it, I don't think it's clear that the commander dies... I believe it ends with Werner finding him just like in the movie, kneeling and watching boat the sink, and then they look at each other and open their mouths as if to scream but nothing comes out... or something like that.
"He opened his mouth as if to roar, but nothing came out but a gush of blood." According to one German poster who made the reference a long time ago, the original German reads "froth of blood", which is much less sinister that the translated "gush". It certainly left it open in my mind.

I also like the fact that in the book the writer doesn't even have a name. The first-person viewpoint makes the story.

For my money, one of the best films ever made, period.
The contributors to Military History magazine voted it the third-best war movie ever, after All Quiet On The Western Front and Paths Of Glory.

Theres A book? sweeeeeet.......
The book is legendary. Lothar-Gunther Buchheim actually made a patrol on the real U-96, and wrote a fictionalized account of what he saw. He also published a real book with all the photographs he took while aboard.

[Red Heat]

Just watched it! Good Flick! Thanks for the recommendation on it! Hated the ending.

This is the new version from the filme "Das Boot" i hope you liked! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI2RIB0xtFg

[Kapt Z]

The book is legendary. Lothar-Gunther Buchheim actually made a patrol on the real U-96, and wrote a fictionalized account of what he saw. He also published a real book with all the photographs he took while aboard.

What is the title of that book? Love to see the pics.:up:

[Herr-Berbunch]

What is the title of that book? Love to see the pics.:up:

Well if Wikipedia is to be believed:

U-Boot-Krieg (U-Boat War) in 1976, which became the first part of a trilogy, together with U-Boot-Fahrer (U-Boat Sailors, 1985), and Zu Tode Gesiegt (Victory in the face of Death), published in 1988.

And I'm also just about to search for them myself, maybe we should have a subsim library? :D Does anybody know if they were translated into English?

[frau kaleun]

What is the title of that book? Love to see the pics.:up:

U-Boat Krieg, published in English as U-Boat War.

http://www.amazon.com/U-Boat-War-Lothar-G%C3%BCnther-Buchheim/dp/0517606712/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288268741&sr=1-2

The pictures are amazing.

There are even pictures of the chance meeting of U-96 and the other u-boat in the middle of the Atlantic ("Thomsen! Das ist Thomsen!"), which actually happened on the real life patrol (although who the other commander was in RL, I can't recall - if it's even mentioned). The incident is described in somewhat greater detail in the book (pretty much everything is) and, um, let's just say that the two boats got a LOT closer in real life than what you might assume from the scene in the film. The pictures of it are awesome.

[frau kaleun]

And I'm also just about to search for them myself, maybe we should have a subsim library? :D

I thought we already had one... it's called Jimbuna's House.

The visiting hours are irregular (they vary depending on how much beer you bring) but the librarian is generally friendly and accommodating (depending on how much beer you bring). :O:

[Herr-Berbunch]

This is the new version from the filme "Das Boot" i hope you liked! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI2RIB0xtFg

Well thanks for wasting my time at work. I'm a fan of the Lego films, but hadn't seen this one - it's fantastic, albeit almost 5 hours too short. But one Lego film soon leads to another..., and another...!

[Sailor Steve]

Here's something a little different, compliments of our own Kapitan Phillips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e50APQxDDYw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EM4EN5OlxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCftAR3xVd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8rV1GTQuyM

[frau kaleun]

Here's something a little different, compliments of our own Kapitan Phillips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e50APQxDDYw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EM4EN5OlxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCftAR3xVd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8rV1GTQuyM

:haha:

I had never seen the first one.

NOT FUBAR'S NEW SKIN!

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu198/ecostarr/onoz_omg2.gif


Also, there was another thread a while back about possible future releases of the movie, BluRay and so on, where I mentioned having seen clips of a German making-of documentary that I would like to see included with some kind of collector's edition... found it again as a related video when watching some of the subsimmer parody clips Steve linked to.

The "Making of Das Boot Part 1" is here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjcLPEmDK2I

but of course it's all in German with no subtitles. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I want a subtitled version of this.

[Kapt Z]

U-Boat Krieg, published in English as U-Boat War.

http://www.amazon.com/U-Boat-War-Lothar-G%C3%BCnther-Buchheim/dp/0517606712/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288268741&sr=1-2

The pictures are amazing.

There are even pictures of the chance meeting of U-96 and the other u-boat in the middle of the Atlantic ("Thomsen! Das ist Thomsen!"), which actually happened on the real life patrol (although who the other commander was in RL, I can't recall - if it's even mentioned). The incident is described in somewhat greater detail in the book (pretty much everything is) and, um, let's just say that the two boats got a LOT closer in real life than what you might assume from the scene in the film. The pictures of it are awesome.

Thanks-:salute:

[frau kaleun]

Aha, found some pics from it online.

Don't know if "subnutty" is a member here or not, but he/she's got a nice collection of pics from the book posted in a set at flickr.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27417638@N07/sets/72157621890839041/with/3823834419/

Here's a couple shots from when the two u-boats met by chance in the North Atlantic. Both were taken from the bridge of U-96 as she approached and passed by the other boat.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3796822328_5b5862a52a_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/4508802483_6e6c811707_z.jpg

According to Buchheim (either in this book, or Das Boot, maybe both), the sea was so rough during this encounter that U-96 was lifted high enough by the waves for them to look almost straight down into the "well" of the other boat's bridge as they passed her. That's how close they got, lol.

[HW3]

Well if the caption on the second photo has the correct U number (U-572), then the other boats captains name is either Kptlt. Heinz Hirsacker or Oblt. Heinz Kummetat depending on the date when the photo was taken.
(http://www.uboat.net/men/commanders/681.html)

[frau kaleun]

Well if the caption on the second photo has the correct U number (U-572), then the other boats captains name is either Kptlt. Heinz Hirsacker or Oblt. Heinz Kummetat depending on the date when the photo was taken.
(http://www.uboat.net/men/commanders/681.html)

Buchheim was on board during U-96's seventh patrol, which was Oct/Nov/Dec 1941. So it would've been Hirsacker, who was out with U-572 in Oct/Nov of the same year.

Hirsacker is notable as he was later relieved of his command, found guilty of cowardice by a court-martial, and sentenced to death. He committed suicide before the execution could be carried out.

How much of Buchheim's "Thomsen" is based on him, I can't say... I don't remember if there are a lot of details about the character in the book that aren't also there, or at least implied, in the movie protrayal... which is what I remember most of all, primarily due to Otto Sander's outstanding performance in such a brief cameo. However it's pretty clear that in the movie Thomsen is a much more successful commander than Hirsacker ever was, as he's just been awarded the Knight's Cross after completing his previous patrol. But he does appear to be well on his way to a total burnout of some kind.

[frau kaleun]

Here's something a little different, compliments of our own Kapitan Phillips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e50APQxDDYw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EM4EN5OlxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCftAR3xVd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8rV1GTQuyM

Seriously I may just have to bookmark some of this stuff for days when I'm in a bad mood or something.

That one where they're preparing to set sail from La Rochelle and der Alte walks up and the IWO says "I've finished installing the Engine Telegraph Mod, Herr Kaleun. It sounds really cool" and the commander salutes and says "Thanks dude".... GENIUS, I tell you, PURE GENIUS.

Cracks me up every time.

I may have to look into how to do alternate subtitling like that and make my own clips. Like I need another time-killing project...

[Ducimus]

The book is legendary. Lothar-Gunther Buchheim actually made a patrol on the real U-96, and wrote a fictionalized account of what he saw. He also published a real book with all the photographs he took while aboard.

Apparently, he also had no kind words about the movie. If the wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Boot#Historical_accuracy) is accurate, (citing iron coffins as a reference for anything does it no credit though) he has some choices words about the movie.

"another re-glorification and re-mystification".
"cheap, shallow American action flick",
"contemporary German propaganda newsreel from World War II"


Of course Buchheim himself is controversial. Apparently in his photo essay, he wrote very disapprovingly about U-boats. Which inspired a counter book that few here have probably heard of.

U-Bootfahrer sagen: "Nein! So war das nicht!"
(Translation: We U-boat men say: "No, it wasn't so!" )

You can find it on amazon in germany (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.amazon.de/U-Bootfahrer-sagen-Anti-Buchheim-Schrift-Schm%25C3%25A4hschrift-Lothar-G%25C3%25BCnther/dp/B002HD1IVS&ei=OnHLTI-AJYm-sQPNy6SJDg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCIQ7gEwAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3DU-Boot%2BFahrer%2Bsagen:%2B%2522Nein!%2BSo%2Bwar%2Bd as%2Bnicht!), but ahh.. not many copies apparently. I doubt you'll find an english translation anywhere.

[Mannesmann]

Ah, Ducimus, there you are onto something that I was thinking about when I finished the book a couple of weeks ago!
"re-glorification"?
I don't see that one. Sure, the crew are depicted as hard working and I guess one can consider some of their efforts to stay alive be of somewhat "heroic", but glorification? Hardly.
I've seen the movie numerous times, all versions (like the Directors Cut best though), but even though if I read the book after seeing the movie (often a mistake), I still felt that the movie succeeded in keeping the atmosphere of a rather miserable and maybe even disgusting life aboard. Not much glory there.
In fact, I feel the movie even takes steps to de-glorify things; if one look at the scene with the burning tanker, which is quite different in the book.

But yes, I guess Buckheim has a point when it comes to some "cheap" tricks the movie used for dramatic effect, exploding bolts etc.
Still, great movie all the way, and personally I feel it does the book more credit than most other book to movie adaptations.

And oh, the ending is just right, very fitting to the overall feel of the story and a decent nudge to one of the main points of the war; airpower made its mark on warfare. I hate happy endings :arrgh!:

[frau kaleun]

Both the book and the movie were controversial among veterans of the u-boat service, as is the subject of Buchheim himself, provoking a wide variety of reactions ranging from sometimes grudging praise and acceptance to righteous indignation to utter indifference (at least in public). I don't believe I've ever heard or read about how Lehmann-Willenbrock reacted to either the book or the film, which is interesting considering that he was the inspiration for the main character. If there's anything out there that someone can point me to, I'd appreciate a link because it's something I've often wondered about.

As for Buchheim's reaction to the movie, well, apparently he was well known for being a bit of a character (to put it more kindly than some of his critics would) and obviously no stranger to controversy or the fine art of creating it and the antagonism that often followed. Given what seems to have been a very tempestuous nature and his obviously strong feelings about the u-boat war, I'm not sure any adaptation of the book would have met with his approval. It should probably also be taken into consideration that he submitted his own version of a screenplay for the film which was rejected.

Personally I feel that some of his antipathy towards the film stems from his own final perspective on the u-boat war itself, the way in which it was managed (mis-managed, in his opinion) and how something that ultimately resulted in so much death and destruction for the sake of a now-despised cause was justified and glorified by those in power and by the propagandists who provided so much of the glorification. The fact that he was, at the time, one of those very propagandists probably goes a long way in explaining the vehemence of his later feelings on the subject.

And here endeth your armchair psychologist lesson for the evening. :O:

[Captain J. Borne]

Anyone have a link to the english dubbed version? Can't find it for the life of me.

[Mannesmann]

I'm not perfectly sure, but most version (at least european) have both the original and the dubbed version included. My version of the Directors cut has both.

That raises a question; how many actually watch it dubbed?
I kind of like that the original actors dubbed their own voices for the english version, but ultimately dubbing is just wrong wrong wrong :-?

[Gargamel]

Ok i wondered why the dubbed voices sounds so authentic. Normally I can't stand dubbed movies, but this one was very good. Unlike most dubs,you have to watch somewhat close to tell.

But what was up with the first officer's voice? It supposed to be that weird?

[Sailor Steve]

Not all of the actors spoke English, so there was some outside dubbing. Not much, but some.

The 5-hour 'Uncut' version can be watched in either language as well. I once watched it dubbed, with subtitles on. The difference had me on the floor laughing.

[flag4]

i have a friend from austria staying with me this evening. she has never seen Das Boot. guess what we are watching tonight that runs for 4hrs 42mins :hmmm:

[Tessa]

Both the book and the movie were controversial among veterans of the u-boat service, as is the subject of Buchheim himself, provoking a wide variety of reactions ranging from sometimes grudging praise and acceptance to righteous indignation to utter indifference (at least in public). I don't believe I've ever heard or read about how Lehmann-Willenbrock reacted to either the book or the film, which is interesting considering that he was the inspiration for the main character. If there's anything out there that someone can point me to, I'd appreciate a link because it's something I've often wondered about.

As for Buchheim's reaction to the movie, well, apparently he was well known for being a bit of a character (to put it more kindly than some of his critics would) and obviously no stranger to controversy or the fine art of creating it and the antagonism that often followed. Given what seems to have been a very tempestuous nature and his obviously strong feelings about the u-boat war, I'm not sure any adaptation of the book would have met with his approval. It should probably also be taken into consideration that he submitted his own version of a screenplay for the film which was rejected.

Personally I feel that some of his antipathy towards the film stems from his own final perspective on the u-boat war itself, the way in which it was managed (mis-managed, in his opinion) and how something that ultimately resulted in so much death and destruction for the sake of a now-despised cause was justified and glorified by those in power and by the propagandists who provided so much of the glorification. The fact that he was, at the time, one of those very propagandists probably goes a long way in explaining the vehemence of his later feelings on the subject.

And here endeth your armchair psychologist lesson for the evening. :O:

Much of that antipathy can be directed square onto one person's shoulders: Fritz Lemp and U-110. His failure to properly scuttle the boat let the British get their hand on a fully functional (naval) Enigma and all the passcode papers off the boat intact. For the next two years the British were able to read all the u-boat radio traffic.

This lead to the sinkings of all the uboat re-supply ships, and all replacements that were later sent out; easy re-direction of convoys from patrol lines, and made it able to direct asw groups to boats travelling in groups (like many South African Patrols). As one captain put it that "he should have been tied to a post and shot by a German rifle squad for his failure to scuttle U-110 even at the cost of his own life. His failure to do so cost the lives of thousands of sailors that could have easily been avoided had he done his duty".

[vienna]

frau kaleun wrote:

"It should probably also be taken into consideration that he submitted his own version of a screenplay for the film which was rejected."

The rejected screenplay was published in Germany as "U 96 [i.e. sechsundneunzig] : Szenen aus dem Seekrieg : ein Film " in 1985 by Goldman publishers. There is a copy in the Foreign Language section of the main Los Angeles library. Since I have not gotten around to properly learning to read German as I have intended, I don't know how much of the filmed version differs from the rejected screenplay.

[frau kaleun]

The rejected screenplay was published in Germany as "U96 [i.e. sechsundneunzig] : Szenen aus dem Seekrieg : ein Film " in 1985 by Goldman publishers. There is a copy in the Foreign Language section of the main Los Angeles library. Since I have not gotten around to properly learning to read German as I have intended, I don't know how much of the filmed version differs from the rejected screenplay.

One thing I remember reading somewhere is that he took his own "character" out of the story entirely... in other words, there was no navy reporter/photographer on board U-96 in his version of the screenplay.

That for one would've caused some problems, IMO, since it's the character of Lt. Werner who serves as both the narrator in the introductory voice-over, which provides a lot of context for the story that's about to be told, and as the "n00b" who gets things shown and explained to him. Which allows us, as the audience, to have those same things shown and explained to us without a constant flow of expository dialogue going on that would in reality be completely unnecessary among the rest of the characters and therefore seem silly and forced.

[Jimbuna]

i have a friend from austria staying with me this evening. she has never seen Das Boot. guess what we are watching tonight that runs for 4hrs 42mins :hmmm:

Sex In The City? :hmmm::DL

[frau kaleun]

Sex In The City? :hmmm::DL

Don't be silly, he said it runs for over 4 hours.

Obviously they'll be watching both Sex & The City movies.

[Hans Uberman]

Don't be silly, he said it runs for over 4 hours.

Obviously they'll be watching both Sex & The City movies.
Now, surely you jest, but if you really must watch Sex & The City, I vote for only the first film, and then a relaxing, cleansing bath of Kim Cattrall and Kurt Russell in "Big Trouble in Little China." You have to be careful how much of that stuff you let into your system. :O:

Please inform us regarding the results of this viewing of Das Boot and how she feels about it.

[saltysplash]

Please inform us regarding the results of this viewing of Das Boot and how she feels about it.


No need to be smutty, just tell us if she liked the film

[Akela]

Now, surely you jest, but if you really must watch Sex & The City, I vote for only the first film, and then a relaxing, cleansing bath of Kim Cattrall and Kurt Russell in "Big Trouble in Little China." You have to be careful how much of that stuff you let into your system.

...and you should never drive faster than you can see. Besides, it's all in the reflexes.

[flag4]

Sex In The City? :hmmm::DL

Don't be silly, he said it runs for over 4 hours.

Obviously they'll be watching both Sex & The City movies.

i, er, :D, guess, i walked into that one:haha:

and we watched it allllll the way through, only pausing to open wine and fetch supplies and switch to dvd2 - finally going to bed at 1.30am. she really really enjoyed it and so did i on my umpteenth time. i am always surprised how fast it goes and so was my friend. two of her favorite scenes was the de-crabbing scene and Johann's breakdown.

i gave her the black and white pictorial U-BOAT WAR to flick through as the film progressed, interjecting with my own *patchy* understanding of various scenarios ie, ranking system, differnt duties, neautral spain and the turning tide against the u boat fleets. hmm, i was quite proud of myself too:shucks:, though i occasionally got the "tell me afterwards - i can't hear....sshh-quiet!"

a thouroughly enjoyable evening - and a great film.

[frau kaleun]

i gave her the black and white pictorial U-BOAT WAR to flick through as the film progressed, interjecting with my own *patchy* understanding of various scenarios ie, ranking system, differnt duties, neautral spain and the turning tide against the u boat fleets. hmm, i was quite proud of myself too:shucks:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=144&pictureid=1154

[Mannesmann]

:DL Nice one! And that scene is great!
Girls who actually agrees to see Das Boot, and even likes it too!
Must be the lack of sea in Austria :cool:

[flag4]

...tonight, DOWNFALL.




(:woot:)

[Tessa]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=144&pictureid=1154



:yeah: Caught them in the perfect pose/light, almost as if they're glowing with the FFG already.

[frau kaleun]

...tonight, DOWNFALL.




(:woot:)

Yep, nothing says "romance" quite like Frau Goebbels poisoning her children and then joining her husband in a murder/suicide pact. :dead:

Edit: And what are you gonna do if your ladyfriend just ends up shouting "Fegelein! Fegelein! I want Fegelein!"?

[Jimbuna]

Ah, cyanide (as in the capsules contained within the dentures of some of the golden pheasants).....never trust a German dentist....especially during times of war :03:

[Sailor Steve]

...never trust a German dentist...
Is it safe?

[Jimbuna]

Is it safe?

Just keep an eye out for what he uses when giving you a filling :03:

[frau kaleun]

Is it safe?

:yep:

And it won't hurt a bit. Now open wide...

http://armchairspasm.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/mm.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Ah yes, Dr. Christian Szell :o

Poor Babe :cry:

[Sailor Steve]

No doubts to me. The best film ever made
How can that be? They killed Roy Scheider in the first reel!
:rotfl2:

Besides, where does that leave Das Boot?

[frau kaleun]

How can that be? They killed Roy Scheider in the first reel!
:rotfl2:

Besides, where does that leave Das Boot?

On das foot?

[Gargamel]

On das foot?

das foot, tv abilities.... Somebodies on a roll tonight! :har:

[Arnold]

What I liked about the movie and the book Das Boot was the esprit de corps between the men. The rescue of the miners in Chile reminded me of Das Boot. Men struggling together to get back home. Lothar-Gunther Buchheim, 6 FEB 18 - 22 FEB 07.

[Tessa]

:yep:

And it won't hurt a bit. Now open wide...

http://armchairspasm.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/mm.jpg

Running Man, great classic movie :up: What shocked me was that the "Angel of Death" had no clue on the value of diamonds so does the dumbest thing possible to find out....

[frau kaleun]

Running Man, great classic movie :up: What shocked me was that the "Angel of Death" had no clue on the value of diamonds so does the dumbest thing possible to find out....

Close, and easy to confuse titles - that pic is from Marathon Man. Running Man was a Schwarzenegger movie. :DL

[Sailor Steve]

On das foot?
:dead:

[Tessa]

Close, and easy to confuse titles - that pic is from Marathon Man. Running Man was a Schwarzenegger movie. :DL


Couple of drinks will do that to ya :arrgh!: Running man's an entertaining movie but isn't the classic that Marathon Man is, was going to mention it being one of Dustin Hoffman's best movies but was tired and called it an early night.

[flag4]

...what has happened to this thread..?

...and to think, for a few moments, my star burned so brightly....



"..GET ME FEGELEIN - FEGELEIN!!...GET ME FEGELEIN!!!"






(..tonight we play HangMan..)

[frau kaleun]

...what has happened to this thread..?



Welcome to Subsim! You must be new here. :O:

[Gargamel]

Hell, I'm usually happy when any thread goes 3 pages on topic.

[Jimbuna]

Not many of them about :DL

[flag4]

..there was an old lady
from Stranraer

who set fire to her shoes
in the car

as she bent forward to fan it
her knickers ignited

thats no way to warm up
the car..

[Gargamel]

..there was an old lady
from Stranraer

who set fire to her shoes
in the car

as she bent forward to fan it
her knickers ignited

thats no way to warm up
the car..

Ok I know you were waiting for a totally derailed thread to do this for your 800th post....... :rock: