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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11567457
Wow the French our going nuts about raising the pension age to 62! Ours is 68 and that will be history soon, work till you drop and not a peep out of the UK folk. Maybe we need to take a leaf out of the French book and kick up a stink!
Same here, they raised to 65 with out pension penalties and possibly they are go to raise to 70 years!!! Even our health minister says that do to the raise of the life expectancy, people shoud be in activity more years.
We do have to look at the french and learn something or two.
Betonov
10-18-10, 04:29 PM
I admire the french, they go on baricades everytime the goverment wants to stink it up
When they raised the working limit here to 65 there were some minor protests and some disgruntled statements, but that was it. The french have a lot of experience with riot organization
Sounds like that is working out well for them, heard on the radio, that they got riots and burnin cars there in ole Parey. Got a french military rifle never fired drop twice.
TLAM Strike
10-18-10, 07:28 PM
The french have a lot of experience with riot organization
:yep::yep::yep:
Ain't that the truth...
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8827/terrori.jpg
Merde, what a mess. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/french-strike-sparks-street-clashes-fuel-warnings-20101015-16m5m.html
bookworm_020
10-18-10, 08:28 PM
The french have a lot of experience with riot organization
Maybe they could export it and help fund their early retirements?:hmmm:
Can't wait for that too start here in the states hope Obummy is watching:woot:See socialism is just ducky
Betonov
10-19-10, 02:45 AM
Maybe they could export it and help fund their early retirements?:hmmm:
€15 000 I give to a French riot specialist that will organize a riot in Ljubljana
VipertheSniper
10-19-10, 04:31 AM
The thing is though, that a reform of the pension system is in order, and I don't know the numbers for France, but in Austria the age structure of the populace is shifting towards the elders, so less workers have to pay for more pensioners who live longer... and I guess it's not much different in France.
Skybird
10-19-10, 04:39 AM
Everybody wants to party, but nobody wants to do the cleaning.
There is a reason why all Western nations are de facto bancrupt.
They should riot against the finance lobby, and banks - fine with me. But striking against pensions not before 62 years? Even more so since the past has proven beyond any doubt that unemployment level amongst the young does not get tackled by having an early pension age? Adding 2 years to their ridiculously low pension age (the lowest in all europe, I think), will mean nothing for youth unemployment.
The French, like we all, live beyond our means. Since we acannot afford all that, that is why our nations have so ridiculously high debts. And that is why now we have a currency war as well. Dollar versus Euro versus Yuan. No surprise there - only surprise is that the dollar accuses the yuan to be kept artifically low - with the dollar having been kept artifically low since the early 70, when Nixon's finance minister in 1971 gets quoted with having told the Europeans: "It [the dollar] is our currency, but it is your problem."
What goes up, must come down. Sooner or later, it all must necessarily collapse. It's a sick design from A to Z, working nice only in the short and maybe medium term - but never the long term.
Youth revolts are adding to the French mess now, I read, and thes ehave little to do with the pensions, but are picking the action up where they left it 2005 and 2006.
Sarkozy however scored another major victory over his stupid and spineless German counterpart, Merkel, this empty hole-in-a-head, giving France what it wanted, while leaving the Germans no realistic fututre option that could ever hold what it promises. But if he has hoped that would distract attention of protesters back at home, he obviously has thought wrong.
I wonder why Merkel takes disagreeing entry positions at international negotiations anymore anyway, since everybody knows by now that in the end she will always be willing to give them up in full - for nothing substantial in return, just empty word shells, and just for the sake of avoiding said negotiations giving a public impression of having failed - as if what she is doing is no failure itself! Maybe she should better sell teddy bears in a toy shop. To her, the shine always seems to mean more than the substance.
Tribesman
10-19-10, 05:17 AM
See socialism is just ducky
Sorry to break it to ya but the state pensions system was set up by a reactionary imperialist who used it to benefit business interests and counter socialism.:yeah:
But perhaps its all an evil plot by the reptilians so pensions and riots don't really matter as the secret gherkin shaped planet guided by hidden penguins from NASCAR in league with the illuminati and the easter bunny are going to wipe out mankind soon.
Jimbuna
10-19-10, 06:52 AM
The thing is though, that a reform of the pension system is in order, and I don't know the numbers for France, but in Austria the age structure of the populace is shifting towards the elders, so less workers have to pay for more pensioners who live longer... and I guess it's not much different in France.
Looks like this has long been the trend throughout Europe.
It also reinforces my belief I took the right decision in retiring at the age of 50 :yep:
papa_smurf
10-19-10, 07:03 AM
And the French call us Brits a bunch of complainers....
Blood_splat
10-19-10, 08:42 AM
Soon they'll raise it to 120 for my generation :rotfl2:
Herr-Berbunch
10-19-10, 09:02 AM
Looks like this has long been the trend throughout Europe.
It also reinforces my belief I took the right decision in retiring at the age of 50 :yep:
Yes Jim, how is your retirement going? :hmmm:
The French retiring at 62? Wow! So, they work a couple of hours in the morning, a couple of hours late afternoon for forty years and that's it! Buck your ideas up fellas, pull your finger out! :yep:
Betonov
10-19-10, 02:34 PM
Shure, I understand that the population is getting old and the life expectancy going up and we're all screwed if the only thing our children will work for is to keep our retired selves out of poverty. But for some por soul having a backbreaking work in a mine or factory, 60 years is a lot, 65 is in grave. My grandfather died at 70, now imagine working your ass of all your life and then dying after only 5 years of retirement. It's a loose loose situation until we figure out a third option, and that would be the easy part
bookworm_020
10-19-10, 06:33 PM
Most people are living longer (80+) and the population here in Australia is getting older. They have already raised the retirement age for accessing superannuation and the pension here, and nobody made that big a fuss about it. They are also about to start increasing the amount that is put into super from 9% to 12%, with a view that it may go higher.
At least Australia can afford it, we are in surplus (hard to believe), unemployment is low (5%, if you have a trade or can work in a mine, come on down!) and politically stable (despite a minority federal government!) They also have let the Australian dollar rise and fall freely over the last 28 years which has been a help and a hindrance, but at least it kept us grounded. Even with our dollar rising against other currencies, is has meant that at least we can't borrow large amounts of foreign debt to keep us living in a fools paradise
FIREWALL
10-19-10, 06:44 PM
Maybe the French will do like we did in Boston but, dump perfume in their harbor.
bookworm_020
10-19-10, 11:55 PM
Maybe the French will do like we did in Boston but, dump perfume in their harbor.
More like smelly cheese!:doh:
Sailor Steve
10-20-10, 09:08 AM
There's a difference?
Takeda Shingen
10-20-10, 10:50 AM
There's a difference?
Ooo. Snap.
Jimbuna
10-21-10, 05:59 AM
Yes Jim, how is your retirement going? :hmmm:
The French retiring at 62? Wow! So, they work a couple of hours in the morning, a couple of hours late afternoon for forty years and that's it! Buck your ideas up fellas, pull your finger out! :yep:
Well actually....I returned to work on 20th Sept this year (in a different discipline) that allowed me to hang onto my pension http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/evillaugh.gif
I now await the day HMRC eventually catch up with me http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2391/bubblegum21.gif
SteamWake
10-21-10, 11:10 AM
Dont the french already have a 4 day work week?
Betonov
10-21-10, 12:21 PM
The pic was in todays papers
http://www.slovenskenovice.si/assets/media/picture/20101021/sz5_karikatura2110.jpg
TRANSLATION: Furius French (title) Sarkozy: take the Slovenians as an example, how peacefull and cultural have they accepted their pension reform
I now await the day HMRC eventually catch up with me http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2391/bubblegum21.gif
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/.a/6a00d83451c3cb69e20120a510d7dc970b-800wi
The Third Man
10-21-10, 12:49 PM
Two years. That is the difference. Talk about not seeing the forrest before the trees.
Given the outcry, unneccesaary in my opinion, what will happen if the benifits are suspended for 5, 10, 15 years? Back to the private sector they must go.
XabbaRus
10-21-10, 01:57 PM
The French need to grow up.
They have one of the cushiest regimes in Europe but don't they realise they can't afford it.
There was a great piece in the Sunday Times by Rod Liddel...called "What's the point of the French"....
Very funny satirical piece.
Jimbuna
10-21-10, 05:49 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/.a/6a00d83451c3cb69e20120a510d7dc970b-800wi
Catch up with me they will....eventually :doh:
nikimcbee
10-21-10, 09:19 PM
Well actually....I returned to work on 20th Sept this year (in a different discipline) that allowed me to hang onto my pension http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/evillaugh.gif
I now await the day HMRC eventually catch up with me http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2391/bubblegum21.gif
and yes I found footage of Jim at work. Well, actually, this footage was from the subsim meeting where Jim and Tarjak did a little performence to earn some extra drinking money for that night. But you get the idea:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RajNvJ3bCU
I just gotta know, what is your stage name?:har:
FIREWALL
10-21-10, 10:30 PM
As Marie Antoinette should have said. " Let them eat PORK." :D
Jimbuna
10-22-10, 09:12 AM
and yes I found footage of Jim at work. Well, actually, this footage was from the subsim meeting where Jim and Tarjak did a little performence to earn some extra drinking money for that night. But you get the idea:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RajNvJ3bCU
I just gotta know, what is your stage name?:har:
That footage is old, I've learned a completely new routine since then :DL
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/pasquarade/Belly.gif
Herr-Berbunch
10-22-10, 10:43 AM
The French should work longer than the rest of Europe anyway just to make up for all the time they're on strike, because let's face it, they do it a lot :nope:
Wolfehunter
10-22-10, 11:24 PM
I must give credit to those French. They stand up for what they believe in and they take action. They don't take crap from there politicians. Unlike the rest of us. hmmmmm :hmmm:
Tribesman
10-23-10, 03:07 AM
I must give credit to those French. They stand up for what they believe in and they take action. They don't take crap from there politicians. Unlike the rest of us. hmmmmm
The upshot of it is that they still get typical politicians who deal out crap and the French still end up taking it despite standing up and taking action.
So really they just complain more noticably but still get shafted like any other population.
Betonov
10-23-10, 01:15 PM
The upshot of it is that they still get typical politicians who deal out crap and the French still end up taking it despite standing up and taking action.
So really they just complain more noticably but still get shafted like any other population.
Yea, they got a little lazy since the 18th century
The upshot of it is that they still get typical politicians who deal out crap and the French still end up taking it despite standing up and taking action.
So really they just complain more noticably but still get shafted like any other population.
Well then we have to bring in the death penalty for politicians who fail us. :shifty:
XabbaRus
10-23-10, 01:49 PM
And then they find they have no jobs as the unions have screwed it all up...
lol, then they will be moaning that there are no jobs.
Seriously, they want to not work until 62...jeepers, get into the real world.
Raising the statutory age of retirement is ok if you have a nice job, but if you work in a factory or a warehouse all your life for example, by the time you retire you'll be lucky if you have more than 5 years off before you snuff it. After a lifetime of paying into state taxes and pension schemes too. After you're dead, they keep the money you know :woot:
Raising the statutory age of retirement is ok if you have a nice job, but if you work in a factory or a warehouse all your life for example, by the time you retire you'll be lucky if you have more than 5 years off before you snuff it. After a lifetime of paying into state taxes and pension schemes too. After you're dead, they keep the money you know :woot:
And thats why people don't give a toss any more, to hell with saving I'm going to spend it. To hell with the pensions I'm going to spend it.
Let us not forget, Gordon Brown stole money from pension funds. :nope:
Game over...
XabbaRus
10-23-10, 05:10 PM
So how are we going to afford pensions then? You can blame labour all you want but the fact is we live longer and the elderly population is increasing thus meaning the payout is getting larger.
So you make your own way in life, you either get on with it and try to make it better or sit around and moan.
These are the same "senior citizens" that die in droves if the temperature in Paris approaching summer norms for DC, right?
Better off in an air-conditioned office building.
Their low retirement age, and short work week tell a pretty scary story if you consider the normal levels of unemployment there. Both the young retirement age and short week make unemployment numbers look LOWER than they should be.
XabbaRus
10-23-10, 05:30 PM
that's the problem with the french economy.
They still have this job for life mentality, unemployment amongst the young eg 20 year olds is high, I think around 10% or more.
bookworm_020
10-23-10, 10:15 PM
that's the problem with the french economy.
They still have this job for life mentality, unemployment amongst the young eg 20 year olds is high, I think around 10% or more.
I believe it's higher among migrant families and their children, going near 50% in some areas.
If the French think their been hard done by seeing the retirement age rise to 62, here in Australia it was raised to 67 not long ago, and there was not all that much grumbling about it! Love to see the french reaction to that!:o
The kids are probably protesting because they want the older workers to be forced out so they can get a job. Good for french business, too, since they can pay the young, inexperienced workers less.
The kids are probably protesting because they want the older workers to be forced out so they can get a job. Good for french business, too, since they can pay the young, inexperienced workers less.
Until they want more oh and a pension.:O:
Tribesman
10-24-10, 05:04 AM
I believe it's higher among migrant families and their children, going near 50% in some areas.
Its been repeatedly demonstrated that a persons home address can lead to their job applications getting a swift ride to the trash can.
Since the policies followed for decades have meant that many immigrants must go to the same districts it means their attempts at applying for a job are largely futile
Jimbuna
10-24-10, 01:11 PM
I believe it's higher among migrant families and their children, going near 50% in some areas.
If the French think their been hard done by seeing the retirement age rise to 62, here in Australia it was raised to 67 not long ago, and there was not all that much grumbling about it! Love to see the french reaction to that!:o
Don't you get a bit of time off for 'good behaviour'? :DL
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Jimbuna
10-24-10, 02:11 PM
Yeah but I've lived and worked in your fair country....you also pay some of the highest taxes to pay for the bugga :DL
Yeah but I've lived and worked in your fair country....you also pay some of the highest taxes to pay for the bugga :DL
Yeah, everything has his price:
Individual taxes.
The Netherlands.0-52%
USA. 0-50%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world
Seems quite simple.
The reason that the French retirement age is 62 is because they fight against raising it. The reason that other nations retirement ages keep rising is because their people don't fight against raising it.
We can argue reasons and justifications all we want but the bottom line is that government will always try to get away with whatever it can.
bookworm_020
10-26-10, 02:05 AM
As the strikes are costing France over $500m a day, they won't be able to afford to stay on strike much longer.....
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