I actually side with Obama on this issue!

[Freiwillige]

Well done Mr. president, you have actually done something I think that I and most Americans agree with!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_taxes

[Bubblehead1980]

Well done Mr. president, you have actually done something I think that I and most Americans agree with!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_taxes


Hmm well if he is serious and not just trying to pander, I agree with him.Thing is he is an extremely dishonest man, but we shall see.I'll give him the benefit of the doubt now and say good job Barry.

[yubba]

Well, da even a blind squirrel can find a nut, what to do with rest of this mess he created. Shovel ready, I got something for him to shovel.

[Freiwillige]

Oh by no means am I glorifying the man, He's no Reagan if you catch my drift.

But this is an important piece to the puzzle of reclaiming the American dream.

We have no jobs, We have no industry....we make nothing! Lets contrast that to 50 years ago and compare our economic situation then and now. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a nation who's only real export is Jobs and one of its biggest imports is foreign cheap labor to see the writing on the wall.

Next lets repeal Nafta!:woot:

[FIREWALL]

SLOWLY READ the WHOLE article before you give kudos.

The bill is already stalled. Even the Dem politicos aren't going to give up all the campain contributions and bribes from all those big corporations for B.O. :haha:

[Platapus]

Well, we will have to see how the citizens react to this.

While it is easy to proclaim that we should not encourage corporations to move their operations overseas; are the citizens ready to accept the higher prices that their services/products will cost if the corporation uses American labour?

It will still come down to profit. If a corporation can still make a profit by moving operations overseas, they will continue to do so regardless of any tax changes.

I do, however, agree with the premise that US government should never encourage, through tax laws, corporations moving business operations outside of the country.

If a company chooses to do so, that's their business decision, but the government should not encourage it.

I actually feel that companies that move operations out of our country should not only NOT get a tax break, but they should pay an EXTRA tax so that the companies are encouraged to keep operations inside this country.

But the bottom line is that many citizens want the best of both worlds. They want to keep all the business operations in the US but want to continue to enjoy the lower prices of overseas labour. Well, I am afraid you can't have both unless you are willing to cut American wages to match Indian/China/... levels.

So, just to be academically difficult: As a capitalist, should I care about this? As a capitalist, I want the mostest for the leastest. :hmmm:

[FIREWALL]

Well, we will have to see how the citizens react to this.

While it is easy to proclaim that we should not encourage corporations to move their operations overseas; are the citizens ready to accept the higher prices that their services/products will cost if the corporation uses American labour?

It will still come down to profit. If a corporation can still make a profit by moving operations overseas, they will continue to do so regardless of any tax changes.

I do, however, agree with the premise that US government should never encourage, through tax laws, corporations moving business operations outside of the country.

If a company chooses to do so, that's their business decision, but the government should not encourage it.

I actually feel that companies that move operations out of our country should not only NOT get a tax break, but they should pay an EXTRA tax so that the companies are encouraged to keep operations inside this country.

But the bottom line is that many citizens want the best of both worlds. They want to keep all the business operations in the US but want to continue to enjoy the lower prices of overseas labour. Well, I am afraid you can't have both unless you are willing to cut American wages to match Indian/China/... levels.

So, just to be academically difficult: As a capitalist, should I care about this? As a capitalist, I want the mostest for the leastest. :hmmm:

In a nutshell... They want to keep their jobs but, want to shop at WalMart. :hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

Thing is he is an extremely dishonest man

So is every politican.

[ETR3(SS)]

SLOWLY READ the WHOLE article before you give kudos.

The bill is already stalled. Even the Dem politicos aren't going to give up all the campain contributions and bribes from all those big corporations for B.O. :haha::sign_yeah:

[mookiemookie]

We have no jobs, We have no industry....we make nothing!

...except food and agriculture, autos, software, pharmaceuticals, transistors, aircraft parts, petrochemicals, computers, telecom equipment amongst other things, making us the third largest exporter in the world.

Facts and data before hysterics, please.

[TLAM Strike]

...except food and agriculture, autos, software, pharmaceuticals, transistors, aircraft parts, petrochemicals, computers, telecom equipment amongst other things, making us the third largest exporter in the world.

Don't forget heavy equipment. Caterpillar built gear is loved in China. :yeah:

[Rilder]

So is every politican.

Now that right there is the truth. :up:

The day we see an honest politician is the day that I become president. :rotfl2:

[Takeda Shingen]

Don't forget heavy equipment. Caterpillar built gear is loved in China. :yeah:

When they're not using Komastu, that is. They actually make up a larger percentage of heavy equipment in China than Caterpillar.

[FIREWALL]

...except food and agriculture, autos, software, pharmaceuticals, transistors, aircraft parts, petrochemicals, computers, telecom equipment amongst other things, making us the third largest exporter in the world.

Facts and data before hysterics, please.


I don't see any facts in your post to backup your statement.

Keep dreamin Bama Fan. :haha:

[Castout]

Hmm well if he is serious and not just trying to pander, I agree with him.Thing is he is an extremely dishonest man, but we shall see.I'll give him the benefit of the doubt now and say good job Barry.


That's your sentiment?

Mine is that he's the best thing Americans have after some time. Though may not be as great as Martin Luther King Jr he's got with him a certain feeling of integrity and honesty about himself.

[Aramike]

Obama couldn't be more wrong. On the surface, this sounds great - but what about American companies who rely on inexpensive labor and lower regulations to produce products that they can competitively price? What happens when they can't price those products to compete with those produced by foreign companies?

They go out of business altogether.

Obama is looking to score points with the typical American who doesn't really think these things through. My suggestion would be to tariff products being imported by nations with large trade imbalances to even out the cost of American produced products compared to imports. If those nations then allow us to address such imbalances by opening their markets further to our products, we can reduce/eliminate said tariffs.

Indeed, the largest part of the problem is that American businesses are competing in an open and saturated American market, but they are hardly allowed into, say, the Chinese market - whereas the Chinese are able to do both.

[Tribesman]

Obama is looking to score points with the typical American who doesn't really think these things through.
Like those who suggest sales tax.:doh:
On the surface, this sounds great -
Yeah right , centuries of history across many nations say bull

My suggestion would be to
.....pipe dream, which criminal elements utilise until which point the citizenry as a whole become criminals and the state spends more on chasing revenue evasion than it collects in revenue.

[mookiemookie]

I don't see any facts in your post to backup your statement.

Keep dreamin Bama Fan. :haha:

Hurrr: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090302208.html

[Bubblehead1980]

That's your sentiment?

Mine is that he's the best thing Americans have after some time. Though may not be as great as Martin Luther King Jr he's got with him a certain feeling of integrity and honesty about himself.

Integrity and honesty have nothing to do with Obama, just look at how he has lived his life.This man has views that are contrary to what America is about, he thinks America is a bad place like most "progressives" , his actions over his life and thus far as President have shown this, almost everyone here living under him has seen this, add it in with his failure to lead and really get anything done other than waste money that our citizens will be paying back for years and years, explains his low and poll numbers which will continute to decline. The political wipeout that is coming in November for his party is another example and although the media(which we all know leans to the left) keeps saying its just anger, like Americans are so angry we're not thinking correctly.Sure we are angry but the average voter is thinking more clearly than they have in a long time.2008 is an example of not thinking clearly, voting for someone like Obama.Throw in his utter disrespect for the foundation of our republic, the constitution(individual mandate in the healthcare bill is an example) just a bad guy all around.

You invoked MLK who was a good man, not perfect but a good man, the only civil rights leader I have any respect for other than Medgar Evers.The others like Malcolm X, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton etc etc are just racist trash, just as bad as the white racists they rant against every chance they get.Having said that, MLK gets way too much praise, mostly because he was murdered.MLK helped a segment of the US population who once upon a time were second class citizens and that is his legacy but he gets way too much hero worship.


Obama is the worst thing for American shince Jimmy Carter, hopefully someone along the lines of Reagan or at least someone who has most of his views and love for our nation, will pop up and help us recover from the regime of BHO.


Having said that, if he is actually being honest on this, then I agree.However, I think it's just him pandering, playing politics but Ill give him the benefit of the doubt for now and force myself to think he is serious.

[FIREWALL]

Hurrr: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090302208.html


Courtesy of The Washington Demo Post newspaper. :haha:

[mookiemookie]

Courtesy of The Washington Demo Post newspaper. :haha:

Facts are facts. Data is data. You can go to the Commerce Department's website and see it for yourself.

[krashkart]

[...] and although the media(which we all know leans to the left) keeps saying its just anger, like Americans are so angry we're not thinking correctly.Sure we are angry but the average voter is thinking more clearly than they have in a long time.

Guess what? They're right! This country hasn't had a clear train of thought in nearly a decade. ;)


As to your views on the President, all I can say is:

Look at the bigger picture. It isn't just one man or one party that is responsible for our country's well being. It takes two to tango... the problem here is that neither side knows how to tango in a cooperative fashion. :nope:

[FIREWALL]

I won't argue that both sides equally can be bought by the highest bidder.

They call them lobbyists.

[mookiemookie]

I won't argue that both sides equally can be bought by the highest bidder.

They call them lobbyists.

:yep: