Das Boot film variations question.

[flag4]

..i was looking at the dvds on amazon and saw that there are 3 different editions of Das Boot. i have read/heard somewhere in a review there is a 6 hour version from the original TV version then there is the one i have:

Das Boot - The Mini Series (2 Disc Uncut Version) which comes in at 4hours 42mins approx. it also has the special feature interview. ( which is not that special coz it does not go on very long ) http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51V2EAG50WL._SL500_AA300_.jpg (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B0001NIYUO/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=283926&s=dvd)

then this one;

Das Boot (Directors Cut) which comes in at 200minutes.http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51D6DTY80CL._SL500_AA300_.jpg (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B00004CXLA/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=283926&s=dvd)

then this one:

Das Boot (Mini-Series) ( The Boat ) which comes in at 282 minutes - which is the same length as mine. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/316VpVybPoL._SL500_AA300_.jpg (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B00067R3FC/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=283926&s=dvd)

whats the difference between the two longer versions - is it just the packaging?

and...*hands together in praying style*...is there a 6 hour version - or am i just dreaming/praying

[Sailor Steve]

Almost certainly the only difference is the packaging. Here in the States it is known as the 'Original Uncut Version',

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/51AT6BHYAJL__SS500_.jpg

and is also 292 minutes, which of course is 4 hours 52 minutes. It is the longest - there is no "6-hour" version. I assume this mistake came about because the miniseries as six episodes, each about 48 minutes (probably 55 minutes with opening and closing credits for each episode).

[frau kaleun]

whats the difference between the two longer versions - is it just the packaging?


This, I'm pretty sure.

The "6 hours" you often see in reference to the mini-series version was the actual running time on European television.

As Steve notes, some of that time was for opening/closing credits... and when it ran on TV each episode also began with a short "previously on" segment that summarized the story up to that point. None of that stuff from individual episodes is included in the DVD presentation of the miniseries, since it's unnecessary (and would be obtrusive) in that format.

[Sailor Steve]

On the other hand these days I usually watch the movie an hour or so at a time, and if they were to release a real 'Miniseries' version, with the episode as originally aired, I would buy it in a heartbeat. I keep wondering exactly where the breaks are.

[frau kaleun]

On the other hand these days I usually watch the movie an hour or so at a time, and if they were to release a real 'Miniseries' version, with the episode as originally aired, I would buy it in a heartbeat. I keep wondering exactly where the breaks are.

I'd buy it as well. I'd prolly buy a BluRay release, even though I wouldn't have anything to play it on. Yet.

What I would really love is some kind of collector's edition with lots of extras. Preferably some kind of "making of" feature on the original production, I'm almost positive there is a making-of documentary that was done but never released over here. I think I've seen bits of it on youtube, all it would need is subtitles.

[flag4]

...thanks for the clarification!

i watched the 2nd disc - 2nd half yesterday, thats what got me thinking, i had read this thing about 6 hours and thought what else am i missing, obviously nothing - only the dream...and the book - nothing happens most of the time - is always worth a re-read...

...though i could watch it all and then - without pause - go straight in to U571...:hmmm:


cheers.

ps have you noticed that it does not seem like 4.5 hours if you watch it all in one go. oh yeah, before i go, any one got 'Stalingrad' without the english dubbing - i'll pay the post, if not too much:up:

[JokerOfFate]

Wait there's an Engish verison of Stalingrad...:damn: I watch the Russian verison

[Jimbuna]

Probably the most popular UK version (also the one I have):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Das-Boot-Mini-Uncut-Version/dp/B0001NIYUO/ref=sr_1_2?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1287169431&sr=1-2

[Jimbuna]

Wait there's an Engish verison of Stalingrad...:damn: I watch the Russian verison

Could this be what your looking for?:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stalingrad-DVD-Dominique-Horwitz/dp/B00005U0I8/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1287169620&sr=1-1

Format: Dubbed, PAL
Language English, German
Subtitles: German

[K-61]

I have the Director's Cut of Das Boot, which also includes a "Making of" documentary. I also own the original DVD of the theatrical release, but I prefer the Director's Cut both for its enhanced content and also for its remastered sound. Play the two discs on a decent system and you will definitely notice the difference in sound.

Stalingrad? There's a good film, though it does become overweening in parts. The poor Germans seem to always have to make a war film in which they rip out their guts in guilt. Just make the movie and leave the moralizing out of it, please. I watch it with German speech and occasionally English subtitles. I've picked up quite a bit of German this way, but not really enough to converse. I'd like to invest in the Rosetta Stone software, but money's tight for my household right now. I know I could download a pirated copy on Bit Torrent or get a copy from a friend, but I'm not a thief.

Cross of Iron is probably my favourite war film, with Das Boot a close second or even tied for first. Stalingrad comes next. The Band of Brothers series is also right up there. I'm looking forward to The Pacific. And Saving Private Ryan is also on the list. What I appreciate most in a war film is realism of equipment and uniforms, authentic language [i.e. real German or Japanese, not accented English] and dialogue. Soldiers swore a lot; I should know, I was one. I know once upon a time Hollywood had to have John Wayne say such things as, "Golly gee" but today film makers are no longer under such strictures. I do object to gratuitous profanity; it is no substitute for a good script, something I wish script writers would realize. You can't rescue a crappy film with swearing and nudity.

[frau kaleun]

I have the Director's Cut of Das Boot, which also includes a "Making of" documentary.

Yes, there is a short (much too short, IMO) featurette, but nothing like what I've seen clips of on youtube... which appeared to have been taken from a doc made for German audiences, since it was all in German with no attempt at subtitling. Lots of behind-the-scenes stuff, with someone narrating... I remember seeing one clip that seemed to be the daily "sit-down" that everyone involved in that day's schedule would have prior to shooting any footage, where they would discuss the scenes to be shot, dialogue, character stuff... looked fascinating. I don't know if any making-of documentary was ever officially released and shown in the European market, but if so I would love to see it (with subtitles). I do know that something along those lines must've been produced or in production at some point because there is footage out there.

[K-61]

To quote Wayne's World, "I did not know that!" I'll keep my eyes open for those clips or any future documentary.

[frau kaleun]

I think I stumbled on them as related links from something else I was watching at youtube... either that or someone posted some URLs here a while back, and that's how I ended up seeing the clips. At one point I had a bunch of youtube URLs bookmarked on my computer at home, things I wanted to go back and watch when I had more time. I'll have to check and see if they're still there and if any of the clips I'm thinking of are among them.

[Sailor Steve]

Probably the most popular UK version (also the one I have):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Das-Boot-Mini-Uncut-Version/dp/B0001NIYUO/ref=sr_1_2?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1287169431&sr=1-2
From the description given in the review that is identical to our 'Original Uncut Version'. Just a different label.

I also own the original DVD of the theatrical release, but I prefer the Director's Cut both for its enhanced content and also for its remastered sound.
Yes, the DC has the best sound, which does not carry over to the 'Uncut' version. But the 'Uncut' version is much longer and by far tells the best story, so it's the only one I ever watch anymore.

[Tessa]

Yet another version, the one I have is the Superbit made directors cut. Sadly it doesn't have any extra featuers, but for a regular dvd (not HD) the picture quality is subperb and great audio tracks. I've seen some of the new blue ray ones, and while they're picture quality is better they still manage to cut out some scenes here and there enough to detract me from wanting to buy it - one version for example when Jurgen steps onto the boat for the first time and addresses the crew he just says something to the effect of, "how are you men" and they all reply. Then it cuts to the chief telling Werner, "good speach eh".

Pretty bad that you have to use the running time as the criteria anything that's at least 200 minutes + will have pretty much the chunk of what its in the original TV series.

Though probably not popular among most fellow kaleuns, I enjoy watching the English dub - frequently have it on while I'm playing SH3. Since every cast member did their own dubbing in English I find its a real unique production as each actor didn't have to try and imagine what the original person was trying to say or how they said it since they were the ones that did so in the first place! One part in the English version that is absolutely hilarious is the Medics inspection of the crew, watching it with the German soundtrack its almost unpleasant to watch and think about. The way they joke about it in the English has had me out of breath from laughing a few times :har:

[frau kaleun]

Yet another version, the one I have is the Superbit made directors cut. Sadly it doesn't have any extra featuers, but for a regular dvd (not HD) the picture quality is subperb and great audio tracks. I've seen some of the new blue ray ones, and while they're picture quality is better they still manage to cut out some scenes here and there enough to detract me from wanting to buy it - one version for example when Jurgen steps onto the boat for the first time and addresses the crew he just says something to the effect of, "how are you men" and they all reply. Then it cuts to the chief telling Werner, "good speach eh".


Sailor Steve can probably confirm this but IIRC the only version that has that bit where the LI says "good speech" is the original theatrical release.

I've got the "regular" Director's Cut, the Superbit Director's Cut, and the Uncut versions and I've never seen it in any of them so I'm pretty sure that when they recut the film for those re-releases the LI's comment on der Alte's little speech got left out.

[Sailor Steve]

That's my impression. I have the original release on VHS, and the Director's Cut and 'Uncut' versions, and the "Here it comes - the speech" and "Good speech, eh?" only appear on the short theatrical release.

I don't have the superbit or blu-ray versions, so I can't comment on them.

As for dubbing, I don't think every single actor spoke English, so only a handful did their own dubbing. In the 'Uncut' version the dubbing changes the dialog so much that I can no longer watch it that way, though I only found that out by forcing myself to watch the dubbed version with the subtitles on. Once. :dead:

[frau kaleun]

It's not on the Superbit either.

There has been no BluRay release of Das Boot for North America AFAIK - Amazon.com has no listing for it, not even one to indicate that it's in the works but not yet available.

Someone posted a link to one here a while back for one though - I just found it again on Amazon.de, due to be released next Tuesday. German language only, judging by the info provided... to tell you the truth if I could buy it I would just to have the subtitles in German which would be way cool.

But then I'd have to buy a Blu-Ray player, lol. And do Blu-Ray discs come in different regional formats like DVDs? Cuz then there'd be that to consider as well.

Hmm... wonder if I could find a DVD version with German subtitles. I already have a multi-region DVD player. :hmmm:

[Tessa]

The version with the abbreviated great speach I don't have anymore, not like I'd recommend but more as one to avoid. There were a few floor cuttings on it I hadn't seen but nothing enough to make any significant enhancements or give better understandings of any major points/portions of the movie.

As I mentioned liking the dub I knew wouldn't be something that would go over well, I can't speak any German to save my life so it doesn't bother me in the same way. I can speak Japanese and when I feel lazy I'll watch it with the subtitles on, in some cases where the job was done so fast or poorly I'll just turn em off as they're so innacurate they become a major nuisance.

Far as foreign language to English dubs go, I still say this was one of the best done jobs out there. Pretty much every time I go out on Patrol I've got a lineup of movies that I'll put on my TV to watch while I wait ingame (currently I don't have any sort of cable tv service, long story...) and watch Das Boot at least once each patrol, sometimes more if I don't finish in a single day/sitting.

[ubootmate]

As for dubbing, I don't think every single actor spoke English, so only a handful did their own dubbing. :dead:


Nope, that is incorrect, Sailor Steve.

There was actually only one of the characters (who had lines to say) who wasnt able to speak English at all,
so his parts were dubbed by someone else but him. The entire rest was actually able to do their own dubbing.

Since I can speak both languages I must say, that the English dubs are partly terrible to endure since some of their pronounciations are...well....ugly.

Also, since the basic foundation (book, script, movie) is in german, it's quite obvious that some special content like jokes or contemporary german terms
(which aren't even used in todays modern german language anymore) just can't be perfectly translated into the English (or even American) language.
Its like watching " 'Allo 'Allo! " -or even worse - any chosen "Monty Python" flick with german dubbing/translation.

Every book, movie, article, show whose origin is either German or English I watch/read/consume in it`s origin version
and avoid any translation/subs/dubs if possible. Of course, russian, french, spanish
or any other language I don't speak well enough to watch a movie in, I will consume with a proper translation
but still being aware that there's always some basic stuff lost in this translation...


Greetings
U-mate

[Pisces]

Wow, an 11 year thread necromancer!

[flag4]

Wow, an 11 year thread necromancer!

i was but a young Kaleun back then. :03: