View Full Version : What Class took my scalp?
Cpt. Martin
10-11-10, 06:34 PM
My last career ended in `43 when an allied ship with what seemed like 8-10 rear/side ashcan dispensers and a slew of forward hedgehogs laid out such a murderous pattern that I was kaput in minutes once he locked on. His depth finding was uncanny (I was at ~230 meters and trying every trick in the book). His cohorts kind of backed off and let this ship free kick my private bits.
It went like this:
-Sink 2 high value, super large tonnage fat-girls from the Convoy *high- five!*
-A couple escorting corvettes try to zero me in, I evade successfully
-3 more corvettes slide in, as well as the bad mammer-jammer who comes along (ASDIC deafening ) and:
BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBO OM
BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBO OM
Me=:dead:
Anybody know what class she was? Her stack was raked aft and angled over towards the deck a the funnel and she flew a RN ensign. Any period pics? I've played a while and never encountered this gnarly Kraken previously. Must avoid these buggers...
What else is out there I should know about? The fury of a well coordinated HK group is jaw-dropping late `43.
(Off to research)
desirableroasted
10-11-10, 08:07 PM
My last career ended in `43 when an allied ship with what seemed like 8-10 rear/side ashcan dispensers and a slew of forward hedgehogs laid out such a murderous pattern that I was kaput in minutes once he locked on. His depth finding was uncanny (I was at ~230 meters and trying every trick in the book). His cohorts kind of backed off and let this ship free kick my private bits.
It went like this:
-Sink 2 high value, super large tonnage fat-girls from the Convoy *high- five!*
-A couple escorting corvettes try to zero me in, I evade successfully
-3 more corvettes slide in, as well as the bad mammer-jammer who comes along (ASDIC deafening ) and:
BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBO OM
BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBO OM
Me=:dead:
Anybody know what class she was? Her stack was raked aft and angled over towards the deck a the funnel and she flew a RN ensign. Any period pics? I've played a while and never encountered this gnarly Kraken previously. Must avoid these buggers...
What else is out there I should know about? The fury of a well coordinated HK group is jaw-dropping late `43.
(Off to research)
If you have been playing into 1943, you should know your destroyers. In fact, if you have survived into 1943 more than a few times, you know your destroyers backward and forwards.
You have the same Ship ID book the rest of us do...
At 230 and being DCd, I don't think anyone argued about "It's a Tribal" "No, it's not, you stunned mullet, it's a County."
And, if you are entering 1943 and are surprised by anything, you haven't been playing since 1939.
Madox58
10-11-10, 08:21 PM
:hmmm:
What's a 'County'?
Cpt. Martin
10-11-10, 09:38 PM
@desirableroasted AKA 'Nothing Constructive to Add'
Thanks for the mind-blowing insight...
Sailor Steve
10-11-10, 11:24 PM
Actually he offered one great insight: Look through the ID book until you recognize the one you saw.
Cpt. Martin
10-12-10, 12:38 AM
Probably just got jumped by a late-war DD and my memory of the ship does not match any images I try to compare it to (in game or otherwise). I don't often reach `43 playing DID in a type VIIC. I was trying to save my boat while all this was happening so I didn't get a positive ID while fighting a losing battle. I'll just wait till I see another whenever that may be.
I've been playing this sim for about a year and some change. I was only asking if somebody knew offhand by the description of the stack and the armament. Apologies I guess...
Jimbuna
10-12-10, 05:27 AM
:hmmm:
What's a 'County'?
Was thinking that myself.....going by his description she only has a single stack so I'll put up some sil tga's after lunch.
Was thinking that myself.....going by his description she only has a single stack so I'll put up some sil tga's after lunch.
Mushy peas and Cornish pasty washed down with a pint of your best Jim? :sunny:
I got no time fanning around with the ID book when a Destroyer comes my way in 1943, to busy trying to shake off the bleeder. :ping:
stoneys-nutz
10-12-10, 06:38 AM
If you have been playing into 1943, you should know your destroyers. In fact, if you have survived into 1943 more than a few times, you know your destroyers backward and forwards.
You have the same Ship ID book the rest of us do...
At 230 and being DCd, I don't think anyone argued about "It's a Tribal" "No, it's not, you stunned mullet, it's a County."
And, if you are entering 1943 and are surprised by anything, you haven't been playing since 1939.
Why not try and help the guy instead of putting him dowm, i have been playing this game since it came out and i still get the odd surprise now and again.
:hmmm:
What's a 'County'?
You'd know it as a London. It's a 10,000 ton heavy cruiser with three funnels mounting eight 8" guns. In other words, nothing that would be carrying ASW gear.
Jimbuna
10-12-10, 08:12 AM
You'd know it as a London. It's a 10,000 ton heavy cruiser with three funnels mounting eight 8" guns. In other words, nothing that would be carrying ASW gear.
I'm sure Privateer knows all about our British 8" cruisers and was simply asking clarification on what escort equipped with hedgehog and depth charges, especially with a single stack would be known as a 'County'
@Cpt. Martin....here are a few sils of single stack escorts (some were never fitted with hedgehogs) for you to look at, it would have been far easier if you had of been able to take a screeenshot though (I do realise some people don't have external view enabled).
Hunt I
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1363/nddhuntisil.jpg (http://img176.imageshack.us/i/nddhuntisil.jpg/)
Hunt II
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2443/nddhuntiisil.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/i/nddhuntiisil.jpg/)
Hunt III
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/3079/nddhuntiiisil.jpg (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/nddhuntiiisil.jpg/)
J Class
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/8779/nddjsil.jpg (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/nddjsil.jpg/)
L Class
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/8895/nddlsil.jpg (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/nddlsil.jpg/)
N Class
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3391/nddnsil.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/nddnsil.jpg/)
Q Class
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/633/nddqsil.jpg (http://img828.imageshack.us/i/nddqsil.jpg/)
S Class
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8002/nddssil.jpg (http://img818.imageshack.us/i/nddssil.jpg/)
Captain Class
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6479/nffcaptainisil.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/i/nffcaptainisil.jpg/)
Colony Class
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/5518/nffcolony1939sil.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/nffcolony1939sil.jpg/)
River Class
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3760/nffriverclasssil.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/nffriverclasssil.jpg/)
desirableroasted
10-12-10, 04:31 PM
I should have been less flippant, and I apologize for that.
Naturally, arrogant flippancy always has its price. In my case, it made me type "County" when discussing DDs, when anyone knows County Class DDs didn't show up until... well, after Elvis, anyway.
I will probably be cursed with 40 passenger/cargos filled with balsa wood on my next patrol, and I deserve that.
So @Capt Martin, please accept my apologies.
But I stick to my point: We all have the same ID manual, and only you know what you saw. So only you can identify it. How can any of us?
Jimbuna
10-12-10, 04:44 PM
To you both...SINK EM ALL!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif
Snestorm
10-12-10, 06:51 PM
I got no time fanning around with the ID book when a Destroyer comes my way in 1943, to busy trying to shake off the bleeder. :ping:
Well stated, sir.
Falkirion
10-12-10, 08:56 PM
Could've been a Tribal class DD I spose? Think they have the angled stacks, though I've never made it into 43' or even that late into the war so I have no idea what type of equipment upgrades they get.
Might've also been a Black Swan
iambecomelife
10-13-10, 11:56 AM
Could've been a Tribal class DD I spose? Think they have the angled stacks, though I've never made it into 43' or even that late into the war so I have no idea what type of equipment upgrades they get.
Might've also been a Black Swan
Probably not a Tribal - he mentions a "stack" in the original post (implying one), and all Tribals had two funnels.
In addition, Tribals weren't very good ASW vessels, being designed for fleet actions - I think they had fewer DC racks and DC's than many smaller escorts. Black Swan sounds about right.
maillemaker
10-13-10, 12:43 PM
if you are entering 1943 and are surprised by anything, you haven't been playing since 1939.
This should be a tag line.
Jimbuna
10-13-10, 03:08 PM
Probably not a Tribal - he mentions a "stack" in the original post (implying one), and all Tribals had two funnels.
In addition, Tribals weren't very good ASW vessels, being designed for fleet actions - I think they had fewer DC racks and DC's than many smaller escorts. Black Swan sounds about right.
Precisely....nor were they fitted with hedgehogs.
The post-war canadian vessels were fitted with Squid.
Madox58
10-13-10, 04:44 PM
This may sound strange...........
BUT!
Here is what I thought a 'County' might be.
I thought maybe it was some code speak type thing.
A number of Towns in a given area are in a County.
So if I say a 'County' is comeing after me,
it means several 'Town Class' are closeing.
:doh:
So.......
If I say:
I deep sixed the Gangster in my last patrol.
I mean:
I sunk the Hood.
:har:
Then I read the post over several times and realized how it was ment.
It was ment as if 2 guys were in a Sub and talking.
So 'County' could be any name for an unknown Class Ship attacking.
And I found it funny (The Mullet part) and very clear then.
CherryHarbey
10-13-10, 05:43 PM
so a Bunch would many Flower class then!?!
desirableroasted
10-13-10, 06:18 PM
And who hasn't trembled at the sight of a Flock? (Swans)
Or taken glee in sinking the Nerd Class? (Nelson and Rodney)
Cpt. Martin
10-13-10, 11:06 PM
@desirableroasted
No hard feelings mate. Sometimes the internets do this to people, myself included :03:
@Jimbuna
I think she may have been of the Captain Class, I was wrong thinking the funnel was swept aft, it was only the 'nub' at the top I guess. I distinctly remember that feature. Regardless of what she was, she kicked hell out of me. I knew I was pushing it at this stage of the war taking on a convoy but I had set up my attack well and lady luck had been on my side all career. What surprised me was the perfect execution of their counter attack; lightning fast with overwhelming firepower coupled with precise accuracy. It was like I had poked 7 sleeping bears with 14 sticks.
Edit: Captain Class armament is rough but not as bad as I originally estimated. Must have been the other escorts dropping cans as well and my mind going to all ahead panic as my boat sprung a billion leaks :yeah: It appears I experienced "the fog of war", er ah, "the haze o' sub-simming"
Captain Class Armament
3 3" guns
9 20mm guns
4 depth charge projectors
2 depth charge tracks
1 hedgehog
JokerOfFate
10-13-10, 11:15 PM
I got no time fanning around with the ID book when a Destroyer comes my way in 1943, to busy trying to shake off the bleeder. :ping:
I agree, but I'll always check the ID book even if I know what ship it is I still need to know it's specs so I can prepare and place a shot...But in 1943 I think I'll sit on the side lines(mostly due to a new mod I installed).
In addition, Tribals weren't very good ASW vessels, being designed for fleet actions.
The irony, I eat warships for breakfast yet this one always seems to get away(and leaves a nasty surprise behind too!).
bookworm_020
10-14-10, 12:34 AM
Sounds like a hunt class to me. They're armed with depth charge throwers and hedgehogs and are not afraid to let loose if they get a sniff of you. One I can get away from, two is difficult, three and I'm writing my will.....
JokerOfFate
10-14-10, 02:02 AM
Sounds like a hunt class to me. They're armed with depth charge throwers and hedgehogs and are not afraid to let loose if they get a sniff of you. One I can get away from, two is difficult, three and I'm writing my will.....
From what I've seen (in game) the Hunt 1 is more of a pest than a problem, but a Hunt 2 is ok and a Hunt 3 I don't mess with those guys... even if I'm submerged... they can smell fear :o
desirableroasted
10-14-10, 05:19 PM
From what I've seen (in game) the Hunt 1 is more of a pest than a problem, but a Hunt 2 is ok and a Hunt 3 I don't mess with those guys... even if I'm submerged... they can smell fear :o
I don't find Hunts particularly bothersome as a Class, but Hunt III's seem dangerous because they seem to get experienced crews.
IRL, a Hunt I had 40 DCs, and the II and IIIs had 110. All else was the same. So, in the game, any difference between a II and III must be attributed to crew skill and ASW equipment.
Almost no Hunts were sunk by U-boats.
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