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I just found my 1yo cat laying on top of the end of a brown snake, very deadly, I killed the snake but now it's a waiting game as to whether he's been bitten, so far 45 minutes have passed and he is still ok.
Much worried!:oops::cry:
GoldenRivet
10-11-10, 12:49 AM
If your cat is not particularly large, i would say that if no results have been observed within about 2-3 hours your in the clear.
I would observe your cats behavior.
make sure the cat is reactive to any sounds and stimulus you provide.
Make sure the cat does not appear lethargic (any more lethargic than a cat would be) difficulty breathing etc
If your cat is ok after a few hours, it will probably be just fine.
If it is the "brown snake" you think it is, they are like the second most venomous snake in the world and your cat would probably be more or less paralyzed after 45 minutes
He's sleeping at the moment, about 1hr 15mns have passed!:oops:
Castout
10-11-10, 01:02 AM
Glad it didn't do harm to people.
45 minutes seems like an awful long time not to be dying if the cat had been bitten.
Snakes make nice delicacy btw..tastes just like chicken only less tender. Good for the skin too they say :D...I have a vendetta with snakes ( 2 legs or none). :O:
Well I think all is ok, it's been about 2.5 hours and he is still walking around as though nothing has happened! - Whew!!:yep:
Venatore
10-11-10, 02:46 AM
Australia + Brown Snake = KIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x6VhNCKw5Q
Sounds like your kitty is lucky. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJJRZBrH45c
Apparently cats metobilse venom differently to other domestic animals for example they are almost totally immune to funnel web spider bites. That said I'd be giving it a good look over an if there is any evidence of a scratch or bite i'd be off to the vets with it.
You want to watch for paralysis and apparently treatment with vitimin C works on cats: http://www.cat-world.com.au/forums/index.php?/topic/84957-brown-snake-bites/
I'd want to check that with a vet though before I dosed moggy up with a bunch of crushed VC tabs.
Skybird
10-11-10, 03:24 AM
Brown Snake are some of the most venomous snakes worldwide, so that even in Europe we have heared of them. Like all venomous snakes, their poison is not so much meant for defence or "bitings as a hobby", but hunting, and the more precious prey is due to it being rare in extreme climatic zones, the more toxic predators's poison tends to be - so that the bitten prey cannot run away for hours.
Wouldn'T one expect then that the venom of such a snake starts to be effective on an animal just sligthly bigger than its natural prey much sooner than just after several hours? When such a snakes bites a dog or a cat, I would expect the venom to effect the animal within few minutes at the latest - so that the "prey" cannot run a way (that'S why these poisons are so unbelievably toxic).
Just asking, I really don't know.
GoldenRivet
10-11-10, 05:05 AM
Skybird your logic is sound. Venoms do different things though.
Some begin to dissolve tissue, others shut down the nervous system, others target respiration or impair heart function.
I think in this case, any cat of about 5 lbs or less would have experienced symptoms inside of 30 minutes.
Lethargy
Extreme thirst
Irregular breathing
Lack of coordination
Dizziness
Unusually dilated pupils
If the cat has made it this long it's out of the woods. If a brown snake hit that kitty it would be dead by now.
As they say... 9 lives
:o
That's one very very lucky cat if he's gotten away with it.
I'm guessing he tried to 'kill' the snake?
Yes since the cat was sitting on the snake panting and the snake sort of groggy and docile I would say they both pooped each other out and resting!:o I'm glad I got there in time to stomp my boot down on it's head, didn't like that, I just put all my weight on it and twisted my boot a few times.!!:x
Tiggy is still ok so obviously didn't get bitten, but we live in the bush and snakes are thick here, have lost 3 cats before to snake bites, still, better the cat than one of the grandchildren!:yep:
SteamWake
10-11-10, 08:59 AM
Some cats display an absolute phobia over snakes. Others regard them as play things.
Evidently your cat did not get bit fore at the very least there would have been some swelling at the bite.
Either the cat is very talented or very lucky. Either way I'm glad it worked out for the best evidently.
Weiss Pinguin
10-11-10, 09:33 AM
I'd probably take the cat to the vet anyways, but that's just me. But if by now he's still causing mischief I'd say he's okay :03:
Skybird
10-11-10, 12:15 PM
I wonder if maybe you have had a cold day and the reptile thus was lethargic, maybe even enjoyed to get warmed by the cat. But on the other hand I read that brown snakes are very agile and quick to bite. I also read that the teeth are short anbd not much poison gets injected per bite - and that this would relativise the lethality of the poison. If kitty got bitten, it maybe just was a too small dosis. I read that adults usually do not get endagred, sometimes even do not realise any symptoms, but that human childrenren are at risk to their lifes if getting bitten. I felt a bit confused this morning after having red quite some very different stuff about brown snakes.
Two years ago, in hot summer, I found a blindworm on trhe way, asphalt, and it got grilled by the heat, frantically tryinmg to get off the pan, it took it up, and it immediately lied still, enjoying the "cold" of my hands.
Many more years ago, I also had found a blindworm in the garden, on a relatively cold summer morning. I concluded that it was somekind of paralysed by the temperature. When I laid my hand open and flat beside it, after some seconds it slid onto my handpalm, and rested there, closing its eyes. I had the impression that it enjoyed my hand's warmth very much. A very beautiful creature, coloured like living red-bronze.
And when I was a child, I once had fallen asleep on the meadow were my grandparents camped, when I woke up, there was a grass snake/ring snake (Ringelnatter) close to me, like flowing silver with the typical yellow crescent behind the eyes. It moved slowly and inspected me, and I still remember it because due to the slow movement of the snake I was not afraid, but fascinated. Since then I love "Ringelnattern".
Many snakes look beautiful in colours, and elegant by mvement. Just that the faster they move the more it scares us. Same with insects and spiders. If it sits still on our handplam, we can bear it, even marvel at it. If it starts moving fast and hectic, we feel alarmed.
krashkart
10-11-10, 12:34 PM
If it starts moving fast and hectic, we feel alarmed.
Because we all know that spiders and other small creepy crawlies go straight for the underpants. :yep:
Jimbuna
10-11-10, 01:40 PM
Yes since the cat was sitting on the snake panting and the snake sort of groggy and docile I would say they both pooped each other out and resting!:o I'm glad I got there in time to stomp my boot down on it's head, didn't like that, I just put all my weight on it and twisted my boot a few times.!!:x
Tiggy is still ok so obviously didn't get bitten, but we live in the bush and snakes are thick here, have lost 3 cats before to snake bites, still, better the cat than one of the grandchildren!:yep:
Pleased the cat is fine mate but if you ever come across to the UK I know a few 'snakes' whose heads I'd appreciate you stamping on :DL
antikristuseke
10-11-10, 02:07 PM
Jim i didnt know you were into getting your snake stamped on:hmmm:
GoldenRivet
10-11-10, 02:39 PM
I remember one November I was hunting in west Texas. It was an unseasonably warm day. I was walking toward my stand and stepped on something squishy. All of my instinct told me that nothing on this bone dry west Texas soil should feel that way. It was the texture of soft rubber, or perhaps like stepping on someones toe.
I stopped mid stride with this squishy thing pinned under my right heel.
I looked down and there was three feet of rattlenake trailing behind my foot.
I had stepped down on his head without a half inch to spare. His tail was wriggling about - obviously unhappy about his situation.
I leapt forward about 5 feet like jumping off a land mine. The snake slowly bowed up. Unhinged and stretched his jaw and slithered away.
Fortunately the weather all that week was in the 30s and 40s excep for that day which bumped up to the mid 70s. The snake was thankfully sluggish and in no mood for striking me.
I remember that like it was yesterday.
Jimbuna
10-11-10, 03:18 PM
Jim i didnt know you were into getting your snake stamped on:hmmm:
I'm sure you knew what context I was speaking in :DL
I remember one November I was hunting in west Texas. It was an unseasonably warm day. I was walking toward my stand and stepped on something squishy. All of my instinct told me that nothing on this bone dry west Texas soil should feel that way. It was the texture of soft rubber, or perhaps like stepping on someones toe.
I stopped mid stride with this squishy thing pinned under my right heel.
I looked down and there was three feet of rattlenake trailing bring my foot.
I had stepped down on his head without a Hal inch to spare. His tail was wriggling about - obviously um happy about his situation.
I leapt forward about 5 feet like jumping off a land mine. The snake slowly bowed up. Unhinged and stretched his jaw and slithered away.
Fortunately the weather all that week was in the 30s and 40s excep for that day which bumped up to the mid 70s. The snake was thankfully sluggish and in no mood for striking me.
I remember that like it was yesterday.
Probably the best laxative you'll ever come across in your lifetime John http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/c_jane24/Smileys/4_6_100.gif
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GoldenRivet
10-11-10, 03:31 PM
A rather fowl expletive echoed into the wilds as I leapt forward I assure you of that. It was about a 5 minute walk to the truck and perhaps an hour drive to a hospital.
Of course with a bite like that it's a 2 minute run to the truck and a 30 minute drive haha
Glad it worked out lol
Jimbuna
10-11-10, 03:47 PM
LOL :DL
Sounds like your kitty is lucky. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJJRZBrH45c
Apparently cats metobilse venom differently to other domestic animals for example they are almost totally immune to funnel web spider bites. That said I'd be giving it a good look over an if there is any evidence of a scratch or bite i'd be off to the vets with it.
You want to watch for paralysis and apparently treatment with vitimin C works on cats: http://www.cat-world.com.au/forums/index.php?/topic/84957-brown-snake-bites/
I'd want to check that with a vet though before I dosed moggy up with a bunch of crushed VC tabs.
I remember a documentary about this, aparently by a chance of nature, only the great primates (and us included) are affect by the venom of the most poisonous animals to us...
Survival of the fitest my....
Hope you cat is fine.
Biggles
10-11-10, 04:19 PM
I take it that taking the cat to the vet was out of the question then? :hmmm:
bookworm_020
10-11-10, 08:32 PM
Glad to hear your cat is ok. My cat seems to like playing with and eating spiders! Glad it hasn't moved onto snakes.
It also catches and eats flies! Not a bad cat to have around, save me a fortune on flyspray!
krashkart
10-11-10, 11:17 PM
Your cat must be as tough as that beard in your signature, Reece. ;) Glad she survived the encounter. :yep:
Skybird said:
Same with insects and spiders. If it sits still on our handplam, we can bear it, even marvel at it. If it starts moving fast and hectic, we feel alarmed. I and most people would feel alarmed if a spider was sitting even quietly on our hand!!:o:yep:
SteamWake said:
Some cats display an absolute phobia over snakes. Others regard them as play things.
Evidently your cat did not get bit fore at the very least there would have been some swelling at the bite.
Either the cat is very talented or very lucky. Either way I'm glad it worked out for the best evidently. I think luck had a lot to do with it,:yep: He's about a year old but already big in size, very fast, playful and agile.
Skybird said:
I wonder if maybe you have had a cold day and the reptile thus was lethargic, maybe even enjoyed to get warmed by the cat.
The day was about 27 degrees C so fairly warm, perfect for snakes.:doh::stare:
Anyway a day has passed and he is just as cocky as usual!:yeah:
BTW, Jim, behave yourself!:03:
Blood_splat
10-12-10, 08:32 AM
When my dad was in Vietnam he was sleeping on the ground next to an APC and he felt something slither next to his back. He never checked to find out either he just stayed still :haha:.
SteamWake
10-12-10, 11:18 AM
I take it that taking the cat to the vet was out of the question then? :hmmm:
What could the vet actually do?
"Yep your cat was bitten by a poisinous snake. He may or may not live. That will be 300 dollars."
The cost for the anti venom shot here is about $750, I couldn't afford that or justify spending that much, I'm just thankful he's ok, but it's good to know that regular doses of vitamin C will give a 60% chance of pulling through if he does get bitten!:yep: BTW, the anti venom is expensive because it has a very short "use by" date.:hmmm:
You want to add a Mongoose to your pet collection - they'll show your kitty how its done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEy0MczVGg0
I belive the phrase is 'pwned' :salute:
Fast aren't they!!:yep: Don't think they would make a good pet though, might attack my snake!!:dead: Damn that's gotta hurt!!:doh::oops:
nikimcbee
10-12-10, 10:33 PM
Well look at the brightside Reece, atleast the imfamo(u)s Buna python didn't get your kitty. England's most dangerous snake you know. The crocodile hunter wouldn't even touch that.
Well look at the brightside Reece, atleast the imfamo(u)s Buna python didn't get your kitty. England's most dangerous snake you know. The crocodile hunter wouldn't even touch that.Not even with a stick, I hear it spits!!:o:03:
krashkart
10-13-10, 06:57 AM
The things I learn on Subsim. :huh:
Jimbuna
10-13-10, 02:56 PM
Well look at the brightside Reece, atleast the imfamo(u)s Buna python didn't get your kitty. England's most dangerous snake you know. The crocodile hunter wouldn't even touch that.
Not even with a stick, I hear it spits!!:o:03:
Dribbles more like.:O:
Don't you guys go getting jealous because of your handicaps/shortfalls :smug:
Don't you guys go getting jealous because of your handicaps/shortfalls :smug:
:har::har::har:
Platapus
10-13-10, 07:06 PM
What type of Brown Snake was it. Australia has three kinds of snake all commonly called Brown Snake.
Not that it makes much difference, they are all venomous.
Does Australia have any non-venomous snakes?
Does Australia have any non-venomous snakes?
Yes lots of differnt types of python. http://www.ozanimals.com/wildlife/Reptile/Pythons.html
Including this ambitious one:
http://outbackvoices.com/images/176.jpg
Yes lots of differnt types of python. http://www.ozanimals.com/wildlife/Reptile/Pythons.html
Including this ambitious one:
That's one tough snake!!:o Wouldn't want to come across him in the dark, especially if he was famished!!:dead:
bookworm_020
10-14-10, 12:26 AM
Does Australia have any non-venomous snakes?
There are 100 types of snake in Australia, 99 are poisonous, the other can eat you whole!:arrgh!:
Platapus
10-14-10, 06:46 PM
There are 100 types of snake in Australia, 99 are poisonous, the other can eat you whole!:arrgh!:
That's what I had always heard. I also understand that the venomous snakes are not too much of a problem as the venomous spiders and other toxic crawly things take care of them. :D
Here is a straight line: Is there anything native to Australia that won't kill you. <snicker>
Here is a straight line: Is there anything native to Australia that won't kill you. <snicker>The Koala Bear!:D
TLAM Strike
10-14-10, 08:07 PM
The Koala Bear!:D
Says you...
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7746/normalkoalabear.jpg
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