Obama's Approval Rating: 91% Among Blacks, 36% Among Whites

[The Third Man]

Are 36% of whites not racist, or 9% of blacks not racist?

Remember Mr. Obama is not part of what most folks equate to americans of african decent. He was born of a white american woman and a black Kenyon man. His family does not have any history of American slavery.

http://ricochet.com/conversations/Obama-s-Approval-Rating-91-Among-Blacks-36-Among-Whites

[CCIP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YibpZuMZ168

[antikristuseke]

That is a stupid question only intended to inflame people.

[The Third Man]

That is a stupid question only intended to inflame people.


Its a question based upon the poll results.

[antikristuseke]

No it is not, liking or disliking Obama, who is black, does not automatically make one a ****ign racist. There are several other valid and invalid reasons to like or dislike the man.

Edit: Your question is a prime example of a non sequitur

[The Third Man]

No it is not, liking or disliking Obama, who is black, does not automatically make one a ****ign racist. There are several other valid and invalid reasons to like or dislike the man.

Name them. Based upon the poll, not what you want the world to be.

[Dowly]

That is a stupid question only intended to inflame people.

This. :nope:

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't see anything good coming from this thread....

[AngusJS]

Name them. Based upon the poll, not what you want the world to be.

Let's see. Most blacks are Democrat, most whites are Republican.

[antikristuseke]

Name them. Based upon the poll, not what you want the world to be.

That poll does not show wether the people who like or dislike obama are racist or not. It does not even touch on the issue. Some of the people who answered probably are racist, be they black or white or any other skin tone for that mater.
What you are doing is commiting a logical fallacy known as the fallacy of the undistributed middle. Or to care it out of wood for you and to paint it red (if that was too difficult for you to follow, I am now going to explain it to you in very simple terms, using big, friendly letters, don't panic)
You are saying that because person A belongs to group B and dislikes Obama, and because some people in group B who also dislike Obama are racist therefore person A is racist. Your logic is flawed, good sir.

[The Third Man]

I don't see anything good coming from this thread....

I do. It gives insite to the American electorate and why they vote the way they do.

Blacks vote based on color, not what the person does for them politically. Whites vote based on color, not what the person does for them politically.

But I suspect it is a Democrat poll used to divide the electorate based on race. It is an Obama/Democrat tactic.

[Dowly]

Blacks vote based on color, not what the person does for them politically. Whites vote based on color, not what the person does for them politically.

I believe this is the point where we ask you to prove that silly statement, you spout out something incoherent and we just give up. :yep:

[Oberon]

We have a thread for this...remember? :nope:

[antikristuseke]

We do, it is right here.

Thats my best The Third Man impersonation, no need for applause.:D

[The Third Man]

I believe this is the point where we ask you to prove that silly statement, you spout out something incoherent and we just give up. :yep:

Look at the poll.

[The Third Man]

No one has explained the disparity in the poll. I am open to an arguement.

[Dowly]

Look at the poll.

Look at post #10

[antikristuseke]

Dowly, you must be psychic.

@The Third Man
While it is probably true that some black people support obama because he is black this poll does not actually support that, it does not touch upon the issue as the question asked was wether they suppoert Obama not if the support Obama because he is black. It does not support the sweeping generalisation you made.

[The Third Man]

So if I assume folks in group B are not racist, then folks in group A are? How about the arguement that both groups are racist. One group votes and polls along those lines more than others and are more racist.

[tater]

Let's see. Most blacks are Democrat, most whites are Republican.

Not true. Whites are basically the normal spread. 1/3 D, 1/3 R, 1/3 independent.

Blacks are 90-something % D—which is odd, frankly.

The stat cited, however, tells us nothing. What is his approval among White DEMOCRATS. That would say something about a racial divide. The 36% of whites that approve pretty much mimics the % of whites who are democrats.

[ETR3(SS)]

Blacks vote based on color, not what the person does for them politically. Whites vote based on color, not what the person does for them politically. They both vote based upon the letter next to the candidates name. Evidence of this is in the fact that some people of this nation, regardless of race, join a particular political party of their choosing. And once they've joined said political party they vote only for that party.

[The Third Man]

The other explanation is based on cognitive issues. You won't like the poll that way either. Can you tell me how best to explain the enormous disparity? Those who think it not a black/white issue that is.

[tater]

No one has explained the disparity in the poll. I am open to an arguement.

The poll entirely lacks the piece of information required to even measure race. It needs to look at racial difference within the democratic party. 90-something % of blacks are democrats, and 90-something % approve.

~30-something % of whites are democrats, and around 30-something % approve. Nothing to see here, move along—or is there something there that the poll doesn't tell us?

Actually, the fact that blacks monolithically vote for one party IS a sign of a racial bias on their part. Since other groups are "normally" spread among different political values (even across income levels), it is odd for a group not to be. A large % must pull the "D" lever without thinking about it at all.

If black support for BO is significantly higher than white democrat support for BO, then is certainly shows they like him for his race as a primary factor I think. Need that data, though.

All the poll breakout says is that generically, Democrat support is 79%. That is weighted by the increased black support, so clearly white, democratic support is below 79%.

That does show a real divide. I think that it certainly points out the racism of the black voters, actually. They support BO at rates higher than other democrats, and his race is a likely reason.

[Takeda Shingen]

Team D sells envy. Team R sells fear. The wise will see the discrepancy therein.

[The Third Man]

Team D sells envy. Team R sells fear. The wise will see the discrepancy therein.

Team T sells real values and real hope.

[Takeda Shingen]

Team T sells real values and real hope.

And team W sells personal insults.

[The Third Man]

And team W sells personal insults.

Which we all ignore. So no harm ...no foul. And he has been gone for two years.

[Takeda Shingen]

Which we all ignore. So no harm ...no foul.

You wouldn't be so bad if you picked a personality and stuck with it. Really.

[Dowly]

:haha::haha:

[The Third Man]

You wouldn't be so bad if you picked a personality and stuck with it. Really.

I'm not sure what you mean by picking a personality, and sticking with that personality? ( I don't end sentences with prepositions. )

[The Third Man]

non sequitur
Q: How many surrealist painters does it take to change a light bulb?
A: A fish.

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm not sure what you mean by picking a personality, and sticking with that personality? ( I don't end sentences with prepositions. )

Well, you take a whole lot of swings at people, and then complain when they swing back. So, it's like you want to be tough guy and whiny guy. Then you pick on people, but complain about how they pick on you. Can't do both.

Kudos on your grammar. Everyone needs at least one strong suit.

[The Third Man]

Well, you take a whole lot of swings at people, and then complain when they swing back. So, it's like you want to be tough guy and whiny guy. Then you pick on people, but complain about how they pick on you. Can't do both.


Can you give me an example of that behavior? I didn't realize I was engaging in that type of behavior. I thought I was only communicating effectively to the liberal/progressive continjant.

I don't take swings at folks. I challenge their beliefs. As an educator don't you do and appreciate the same behavior?

[antikristuseke]

non sequitur
Q: How many surrealist painters does it take to change a light bulb?
A: A fish.

That is a non sequitur use as humour, non sequiturs in logic are a different matter.
And no, you do not challenge peoples beliefs and your arguments are often no more than baseless assertions. Occasionally you surprise me with a well reasoned post, but those are very few and far between. It almost seems like there are several people on the same account.

[The Third Man]

That is a non sequitur use as humour, non sequiturs in logic are a different matter.
And no, you do not challenge peoples beliefs and your arguments are often no more than baseless assertions. Occasionally you surprise me with a well reasoned post, but those are very few and far between. It almost seems like there are several people on the same account.

I feel the same. You some times suprise me. But it is usually with a more partisan post than even I expected. Are you one of the 36% or the 9%?

[antikristuseke]

Neither, I am an Estonian and I don't really support any political party here. Depending on the issues I usualy side with Reformierakond or the Sotsiaaldemokraatlik erakond. If you want to find out more about them I advise you to learn Estonian.

[Takeda Shingen]

And on with the children's game:


http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1448557&postcount=1

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1463631&postcount=8

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1463719&postcount=19

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1463635&postcount=27

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1463639&postcount=5

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1466981&postcount=11

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1466991&postcount=13

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1468665&postcount=18

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1468691&postcount=27

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1468703&postcount=33

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1470559&postcount=3

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1470572&postcount=5

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1474575&postcount=15

You edited the attacks out of this thread:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=173903


There's three more pages to go through, but frankly, I am bored. The point is that you have treated the membership poorly. You cannot expect a stellar reputation after doing so.

Educators are able to root out fallacy without resorting to personal insults. Those that cannot are terminated.

[antikristuseke]

Damnit Takeda, I planed to do that a bit later when I was even more bored at work, now what the hell am I supposed to do:shifty:

[The Third Man]

And on with the children's game:


http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1448557&postcount=1

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1463631&postcount=8

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1463719&postcount=19

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1463635&postcount=27

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1463639&postcount=5

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1466981&postcount=11

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1466991&postcount=13

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1468665&postcount=18

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1468691&postcount=27

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1468703&postcount=33

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1470559&postcount=3

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1470572&postcount=5

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1474575&postcount=15

You edited the attacks out of this thread:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=173903


There's three more pages to go through, but frankly, I am bored. The point is that you have treated the membership poorly. You cannot expect a stellar reputation after doing so.

Educators are able to root out fallacy without resorting to personal insults. Those that cannot are terminated.

I haven't looked through your evidence, as one sided as it may be, but will in the future. I ask you, how can I make myself more appealing? That seems to be the issue. I'm not pretty.

[Legionary74]

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[The Third Man]

And I'm not going away.

[The Third Man]

Lets settle this thread right here once and for all.


Obama sucks, the majority of Americans hate him.

Does it seem like a witch hunt to you also?

[Dowly]

And I'm not going away.

http://omglol.kerrolisaa.com/1/11519.jpg

[antikristuseke]

Does it seem like a witch hunt to you also?
I wouldn't mind you being turned in to a newt. Don't worry, you will get better.

[Ducimus]

Playing the race card. It ought to be considered the politico synonym for, or tantamount to, Godwinning a discussion. In this case, the discussion was over before it began via the inflammatory post title. I did not, and could not read past that, or anymore then that, and I doubt many others could or would as well. The title totally invalidated any point the OP may have had, and shut the door on any constructive discussion.

[The Third Man]

I wouldn't mind you being turned in to a newt. Don't worry, you will get better.


Newt Gingrich of Contract with America fame? No, I'm not even close.

[Takeda Shingen]

And I'm not going away.

I wouldn't expect that you would. This is your foruth account, after all.

[The Third Man]

I wouldn't expect that you would. This is your foruth account, after all.

there you go again....First account bud. Where do I look to make up members?

foruth is not a number.

[Takeda Shingen]

First bud. is not a number.

Fourth, sport. Let's not trot out the typo card, shall we? :03:

[Ducimus]

I wouldn't expect that you would. This is your foruth account, after all.

So what was his original user name? Just wondering if i heard of, or knew of him at one point.

[Jimbuna]

I wouldn't expect that you would. This is your foruth account, after all.

Surely not who I suspected a short while ago? :hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

So what was his original user name? Just wondering if i heard of, or knew of him at one point.

Handle 1: waste_gate
Handle 2: spooka2
Handle 3: CastleBravo
Handle 4: The Third Man

EDIT: Yep. Jim, I called it back in July. I was slandered for it.

[Jimbuna]

Handle 1: waste_gate
Handle 2: spooka2
Handle 3: CastleBravo
Handle 4: The Third Man

EDIT: Yep. Jim, I called it back in July. I was slandered for it.

Ah right, but I think you'll remember who I thought of.....ITG and all that :hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

Ah right, but I think you'll remember who I thought of.....ITG and all that :hmmm:

I disagree with you on that one. ITG was leftist with an anti-American slant. Ah, well.

By the way, how's that stalking thing going? Did you get a restraining order yet? :O:

[Jimbuna]

I disagree with you on that one. ITG was leftist with an anti-American slant. Ah, well.

By the way, how's that stalking thing going? Did you get a restraining order yet? :O:


LOL....seems to have dropped of the radar of late :DL

Normal service has resumed http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4030/winkbigid2zj6.gif

[Ducimus]

Handle 1: waste_gate
Handle 2: spooka2
Handle 3: CastleBravo
Handle 4: The Third Man

EDIT: Yep. Jim, I called it back in July. I was slandered for it.
:hmmm: Handles 1 and 3 sound familiar. Thanks. I was just curious.

[The Third Man]

Handle 1: waste_gate
Handle 2: spooka2
Handle 3: CastleBravo


EDIT: Yep. Jim, I called it back in July. I was slandered for it.

Never heard of these folks. But again the whitch hunt prevails.

[Takeda Shingen]

Never heard of these folks. But again the whitch hunt prevails.

Prove it.

[The Third Man]

Prove it.

Now I have to prove a negative? That I never heard of these folks? I thought you an educator and knew better.

[Takeda Shingen]

Now I have to prove a negative? That I never heard of these folks? I thought you an educator and knew better.

But I thought that is how it was done in politics, or at least in your version of the political. See the difference between the academic and the political? Academics are held to standards of intellectual honesty. No such standard exists in the political. I begin to understand it's appeal to certain individuals.

[Dowly]

Never heard of these folks. But again the whitch hunt prevails.

That's funny. I thought you had gone, give or take, 2 years back on my post history, surely you've seen atleast some of those names there. :O:

[The Third Man]

But I thought that is how it was done in politics, or at least in your version of the political. See the difference between the academic and the political? Academics are held to standards of intellectual honesty. No such standard exists in the political. I begin to understand it's appeal to certain individuals.

I'm not following you here but, unless you prefer the justice of the 16th century it is up to you to prove who I am, the third man, not who I am not.

The poll, which bothers you is telling. 36% of whites not racist, or 9% of blacks not racist

[The Third Man]

That's funny. I thought you had gone, give or take, 2 years back on my post history, surely you've seen atleast some of those names there. :O:

That would make sense if I was looking for others than yourself.

[Takeda Shingen]

The poll, which bothers you is telling. 36% of whites not racist, or 9% of blacks not racist

My point long, long ago, which has eluded you, was that the discrepancy can be explained by the Democratic Party's allusions towards the creation of socio-economic strife as a means to retain power, and would not be relate to race other than race and wealth are but pawns to that end. This is not a new card for Team D.

It is unfortunate that you took the opportunity to attack me personally, and thus begin a two-page OT battle royale that was completely unnecessary. If you didn't spend so much time attacking people, you might find that they agreed with you more frequently than you believed.

[The Third Man]

My point long, long ago, which has eluded you, was that the discrepancy can be explained by the Democratic Party's allusions towards the creation of socio-economic strife as a means to retain power, and would not be relate to race other than race and wealth are but pawns to that end. This is not a new card for Team D.

It is unfortunate that you took the opportunity to attack me personally, and thus begin a two-page OT battle royale that was completely unnecessary. If you didn't spend so much time attacking people, you might find that they agreed with you more frequently than you believed.

I guess I did miss your point from long ago. (ill go back to see). A mitigating factor is the attacks on my thread. But I will not try to evade responsibility. I don't think I attacked you, perhaps your opinion, but never you, unless you are accepting for yourself what you accused me of doing by whinning? You can support your leftist opinion well. Unfortunately it is a bad opinion.


Are you now in a position to prove I am not The Third Man?

[Takeda Shingen]

You can support your leftist opinion well. Unfortunately it is a bad opinion.

I have no idea why you think I am a leftist. I am socially moderate and fiscally conservative. Registered Republican, I am more of a Libertarian than anything, and will likely be joining that party after the current election cycle. It is too late to do so now, and there are some local issues that I wish to vote on. I do not approve of the current township roads manager, as said roads never seem to get plowed in the winter.

[Bubblehead1980]

The latest poll I saw on TV the other day showed Obama's ratings among African Americans dropped from 90% to 84%. Obviously though, his support among African Americans is high.I do not believe it suggests true racism on that many African Americans.However, I do believe his race is a factor in their support because Obama is the first black President(I find it a shame that an achievement such as that was wasted on such a terrible person but that is another story) and many will support him or at least say they do, esp as the opposition to him from what some may see as the mean "white people" continues to mount.Obama is a Democrat, due to the high poverty rate among African Americans and years of Dems playing class warfare along with racial politics, blacks are mostly Democrats and support his agenda because they believe it will help many poor black people as well as others(when in reality it just further creates a class of people depending on the govt to live and never advance more than that)

[JU_88]

[QUOTE=The Third Man;1508801]Are 36% of whites not racist, or 9% of blacks not racist?

My answer would be that the question is 100% stupid.

[The Third Man]

[QUOTE=The Third Man;1508801]Are 36% of whites not racist, or 9% of blacks not racist?

My answer would be that the question is 100% stupid.

I think you already said that.

[the_tyrant]

Come on guys, I'm sino-canadian
what does that make me
Oh, yeah I'm also ex commie

[antikristuseke]

You are a communist nazi jew, go back to canada!

[the_tyrant]

You are a communist nazi jew, go back to canada!
:rotfl2:
i am in canada dude!
But I've been to Las Vegas too often for study purposes

[The Third Man]

I'm sino-canadian
what does that make me


Lady-boy? joke buddy.:D:DL:)

[antikristuseke]

:rotfl2:
i am in canada dude!
But I've been to Las Vegas too often for study purposes

Shut up when you are talking to me!:stare:

Anyway, time for my half way through the shift celebratory cup of coffee, regular service of nonsensical jokes in threads with ridiculous claims will resume shortly.

[nikimcbee]

I don't see anything good coming from this thread....

I did get to look at dowly's sig photo.:D That was good.

[krashkart]

I did get to look at dowly's sig photo.:D That was good.

/thread :haha:

[Onkel Neal]

Are 36% of whites not racist, or 9% of blacks not racist?

Remember Mr. Obama is not part of what most folks equate to americans of african decent. He was born of a white american woman and a black Kenyon man. His family does not have any history of American slavery.

http://ricochet.com/conversations/Obama-s-Approval-Rating-91-Among-Blacks-36-Among-Whites


Doesn't matter, Obama is equal parts white and black. He is not the first black President, he's the first half-black, half-white President :cool:

[Dowly]

Doesn't matter, Obama is equal parts white and black. He is not the first black President, he's the first half-black, half-white President :cool:

I never thought I'd use a picture from Star Trek in any other way than to display how overrated it is, but the above post deserves it.

http://omglol.kerrolisaa.com/1/10634.jpg

[Penguin]

Doesn't matter, Obama is equal parts white and black. He is not the first black President, he's the first half-black, half-white President :cool:

http://imageshack.us%5DImageShack.us
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3462/beleandlokaistartrekt.jpg

(also my first Star Trek Post :D)

[Onkel Neal]

Lol, irony: Spock is half-Earthling, half-Vulcan, but how does everyone refer to him? :haha:

[Dowly]

Lol, irony: Spock is half-Earthling, half-Vulcan, but how does everyone refer to him? :haha:

Beatle with an elf ear fetish? :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Lol, irony: Spock is half-Earthling, half-Vulcan, but how does everyone refer to him? :haha:

I dont know. Let ask Bones. :03:

[Oberon]

"Green blooded hobgoblin..."

[JSLTIGER]

"Green blooded hobgoblin..."

You left off "inhuman..."

:D

[Sailor Steve]

You left off "inhuman..."

:D
Brings back a fond, but weird, memory. Way back when I was watching the episode with the chemical that lets their basest desires rule them. Scotty is freaking out. Spock grabs him. Meanwhile I'm dozing off in front of the TV. I'm instantly snapped awake when I hear Scotty, with his thick accent, say...

"Keep yer Vulcan hands off me!"

WHAT did he just say on commercial television? :o

[Onkel Neal]

:har:

[TLAM Strike]

Brings back a fond, but weird, memory. Way back when I was watching the episode with the chemical that lets their basest desires rule them. Scotty is freaking out. Spock grabs him. Meanwhile I'm dozing off in front of the TV. I'm instantly snapped awake when I hear Scotty, with his thick accent, say...

"Keep yer Vulcan hands off me!"

WHAT did he just say on commercial television? :o

There was a DS9 episode that was censored in the UK because Chief O'Brien (played by Irish actor Colm Meaney) said a Queen's English curse word and the show aired at an hour where they could not use such language. The word was kept in the US version since most Americans wouldn't know what it meant...

[Jimbuna]

There was a DS9 episode that was censored in the UK because Chief O'Brien (played by Irish actor Colm Meaney) said a Queen's English curse word and the show aired at an hour where they could not use such language. The word was kept in the US version since most Americans wouldn't know what it meant...

Can you recall what he said? :hmmm:

[Aramike]

Not to bring the thread back on topic, but really - no one finds it peculiar that over 90% of ANY broad demographic agrees on something? Really?

I've mentioned this statistic awhile back and I find it shocking - and somewhat racist. Yes, racist. Really, are we to ignore the common denominator because of the fact that it happens to relate to a minority which, in the past, has suffered egregious racial segregation and oppression?

The black community typically displays diverse, albeit liberal, political views. They have never (as far as I can tell) agreed upon any one agenda. All of a sudden they do?

Not likely. More likely, they see the skin color of the office holder and are rallying behind him. Like it or not, that is racist. It's is oppressive? No. Is it segregationist? No. But is it racist?

Absolutely.

So now the question becomes: Is racism always bad? If so, why are blacks given a pass?

[TLAM Strike]

Can you recall what he said? :hmmm:

It was "Bollocks"...
In one scene, after a piece of equipment in the background explodes, Chief O'Brien shouts "Bollocks"; this is an Irish (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Irish) and British (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/British) expletive referring to the testicles. When the episode was first screened by the BBC (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/BBC) in the United Kingdom, the word was removed, although strangely, when RTÉ (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/RT%C3%89) screened the episode in Ireland, it was left on the soundtrack. From: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Time%27s_Orphan

[Sailor Steve]

Racism:

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
1. the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others

2. abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief
1. a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2. racial prejudice or discrimination
1. the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races.

2. discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race.

1. the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races

Is the NAACP a racist organization? From the point of view that they are dedicated to the advancement of one race, arguably yes. That doesn't mean their purpose isn't a good one, though. It also doesn't mean that a lot of their activities are politcally motivated and not as altruistic as they could, or should be.

Are people who follow (or refuse to follow) Obama based on race not thinking properly? Arguably yes.

Is this racism? From what I read in every dictionary, I would say no.

Is the sole purpose of this thread to stir the pot and start trouble? Looks that way to me.

[Aramike]

Is the sole purpose of this thread to stir the pot and start trouble? Looks that way to me. While your interpretation of racism leaves something to be desired in this context, I will agree that the original poster was certainly attempting to "stir the pot" as it were.

But I find it disturbing that a 90%+ approval rating, unprecedented amongst any cultural group in at least modern US politics is apparently deemed to be too controversial for discussion here. Honestly, despite the OP's intent, I find this to be, in the least, extraordinarily fascinating.

There is indeed an apparent racial element here that should be explored. Why we are afraid to explore it and discuss it here for reason of inflammation is precisely what is wrong with the race politics of this country today.

The so-called "black community" loves to express itself as the "black community" and benefit from being the "black community", but it continuously positions itself as immune from criticism towards the "black community" on the grounds that it is the "black community". If the "black community" is indeed supposed to be exempted from said criticism than it would follow that there is a reason for that exemption. As that would be an exemption in and of itself, it would follow that they would be in a superior position to anyone who doesn't qualify for said exemption. Hence, racism.

I suppose would could ignore all of that logic, but really? We're going to play that game? Turn it around and make it whites attempting the same thing. Would that not be discussed?

[Sailor Steve]

I agree it can be discussed (I almost said "should", but I'm not convinced of the necessity). I just question the motives of many who say they "just want to talk about it".

While your interpretation of racism leaves something to be desired in this context...
I don't know - I think the dictionary agrees with me on this one. Again, I agree that there do seem to be race-based motivations, but it also sounds like the accusation during the election that "many are voting for him based on race", to which the only honest answer was that the opposite is also true - many voted against him for that same reason. I have a bad habit of questioning the motivations of anyone who says things like that, because there is always a suspicion that, while there is some truth there, many of the accusers want it to be true, if for no other reason than that they can feel superior and 'right'. And of course that brings up the question of their motivations.

They don't call them "hot button" issues for nothin'.

[Bubblehead1980]

Can you recall what he said? :hmmm:

yes do tell.Was it bloody? lol

[Tribesman]

When the episode was first screened by the BBC (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/BBC) in the United Kingdom, the word was removed, although strangely, when RTÉ (http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/RT%C3%89) screened the episode in Ireland, it was left on the soundtrack.
Thats because it is a different english language.
Words that are considered vulgar or offensive on british TV are used on broadcast over here on the news reports and on childrens TV shows.
On the same vein that was posted about the US broadcasters allowing the word bollox to be used as they didn't know what it meant there are cases where they have banned the word "feic" because they thought it was something else which is also different to the word "****" which the British broadcasters used when they made father ted.

edit....wow this forum thinks **** is swearing too

[JU_88]

LOL This thread still going on?

IMO

To assume that everyone who approves of Obama is racist or not racist based on there skin colour is kinda racist in its self (though its more retarded than anything else)

However, aknowledging that are some blacks like Obama because he is black and some whites dislike him because he is not white, is not racist or judgmental because it is bound to be a fact! There will be quite a few out there who are that way inclined.

It just gets moronic when you start making assumptions about ALL black/white people, based on there like/dislike for Obama ...or the Republicans.... or baseball ...or fried chicken ...or whatever.
Everyone is bloody indervidual ffs, they can like or dislike something or someone for any number of reasons.

And all survey statistic are bull crap anyway as they just based on probabilty and assumption.

[Onkel Neal]

Not to bring the thread back on topic, but really - no one finds it peculiar that over 90% of ANY broad demographic agrees on something? Really?

I've mentioned this statistic awhile back and I find it shocking - and somewhat racist. Yes, racist. Really, are we to ignore the common denominator because of the fact that it happens to relate to a minority which, in the past, has suffered egregious racial segregation and oppression?

The black community typically displays diverse, albeit liberal, political views. They have never (as far as I can tell) agreed upon any one agenda. All of a sudden they do?

Not likely. More likely, they see the skin color of the office holder and are rallying behind him. Like it or not, that is racist. It's is oppressive? No. Is it segregationist? No. But is it racist?

Absolutely.

So now the question becomes: Is racism always bad? If so, why are blacks given a pass?


Good point. I don't like to think of it as racism, it's more of an ethnocentric issue, say, race-favoritism. I wish people would loosen up a little and agree it's not a deadly sin to admit favoring their own race, in non-harmful ways. It's why 90% of blacks support Obama, they want to support one of their own. It's how OJ got turned loose. It's why every decent white boxer is hyped and supported out of proportion to his skill set. It's why a good white defensive back (rarer than unicorns) would be front page SI material.

Every one is terrified of being labeled the next Hitler if they admit they prefer one race over another. It doesn't mean you wish harm or substantial advantage over other races. People like what they like. And most people like their own race/ethnicity. It's no crime to be honest about it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Good point. I don't like to think of it as racism, it's more of an ethnocentric issue, say, race-favoritism. I wish people would loosen up a little and agree it's not a deadly sin to admit favoring their own race, in non-harmful ways. It's why 90% of blacks support Obama, they want to support one of their own.


I'm afraid that this is a sugar coat to racism. I will liken it to illegals but use undocumented immigrants to describe illegals. No matter how you cut it, they are still illegal. If you are favoring a particular race then you are displaying a racial disparity.

[Aramike]

Good point. I don't like to think of it as racism, it's more of an ethnocentric issue, say, race-favoritism. I wish people would loosen up a little and agree it's not a deadly sin to admit favoring their own race, in non-harmful ways. It's why 90% of blacks support Obama, they want to support one of their own. It's how OJ got turned loose. It's why every decent white boxer is hyped and supported out of proportion to his skill set. It's why a good white defensive back (rarer than unicorns) would be front page SI material.

Every one is terrified of being labeled the next Hitler if they admit they prefer one race over another. It doesn't mean you wish harm or substantial advantage over other races. People like what they like. And most people like their own race/ethnicity. It's no crime to be honest about it.These are excellent points you make, Neal. Is preferring someone from your own race racist? Is bias wrong?

You're right, people like what they like. I don't believe that is necessarily wrong or even a bad thing.

Now, I also agree with AVG's point. So back to my question in that earlier post. Is racism always wrong? In the sense that I've been referring to as racism (what you correctly called race-favoritism) at least, perhaps it isn't always wrong.

On the other hand, that begs a larger question about the black community - why are they clearly more focused on the ethnicity of the man in office than the policies the man represents? I always found no small irony in that the black community is so heavily Democratic to begin with despite the fact that they are typically more socially conservative than most. But all of that substance and nuance is overlooked in the face of skin color which is, pun intended, skin-deep.

Okay, perhaps "racist" is a poor label - but doesn't this represent SOMETHING at all about the black community? Surely this is an extraordinary statistic - and for the life of me I can't find anything good out of it.

[JU_88]

I'm afraid that this is a sugar coat to racism. I will liken it to illegals but use undocumented immigrants to describe illegals. No matter how you cut it, they are still illegal. If you are favoring a particular race then you are displaying a racial disparity.

Well I kind of agree with AVG here but theres a catch,

Sure, I guess the trouble is that if you prefer your own race even to the smallest degree, there is a very fine line between 'preference' and 'superiority' meaning that if you prefer you own race, you automatially dont value other races equally..... which is technically mild racism (like it or not.)

But while racial preference is still racism, its just how alot of people are wired all over ther world.
human beings tend to be 'pack animals' who like to identify with a large group / nationality /race / team / whatever, its more empowering than being a mere indervidual.
Thats just human nature and the fact is that its just not reasonable to expect people to cast aside their (reletively harmless) pride for the sake of political correctness.