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the_tyrant
10-04-10, 06:12 AM
who know what the sampled speeches are in A thousand suns?
thx
DarkFish
10-04-10, 07:35 AM
Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Thousand_Suns#Personnel (see the "Features" part)
But srsly, what the heck happened to LP!?!:nope:
They used to make pretty good Alternative Rock. But from their new album, literally the only thing I like are the Metalcore-like vocals on "Blackout". Now only if that song had some decent guitar...:roll:
They used to have some pretty good songs. "What I've Done", "New Divide"... even the last part of "In The End" was good enough to bear with the (c)rap in the first 1.5 minute. But now it seems they can't make anything good anymore:shifty:.
As these angry white boy bands go Linkin Park are ok, but im not crazy about them, I guess prefered System of down back in the day.
Not really in to metal so much these days anyway, more in to old the old U.S punk and psychobilly :)
Im listening to the Ramones, Dead kennedys and the Cramps alot, thankfully some 80's bands had the sense to stay away from nasty sythensisers :DL
DarkFish
10-04-10, 07:59 AM
Not really in to metal so much these days anyway, more in to old the old U.S punk and psychobilly :)Good thing then that LP isn't Metal;)
Seriously, they've never been anywhere near metal and they never will.
Good thing then that LP isn't Metal;)
Seriously, they've never been anywhere near metal and they never will.
Then I really dont know what genre you would call them as 'Alternative Rock' is a bit too general in this day an age.
LP are infulenced by nu-metal (rap metal), which is influenced by metal and ...drum roll... Rap.
Its like the way a band like 'Greenday' are not really a punk to the ear, but it is still where they originated from.
imo bands like LP and Greenday etc are maybe sub-genres at best, they took there style from someplace and made a few alterations, they did not really create something band new.
DarkFish
10-04-10, 09:16 AM
Then I really dont know what genre you would call them as 'Alternative Rock' is a bit too general in this day an age.
LP are infulenced by nu-metal (rap metal), which is influenced by metal and ...drum roll... Rap.
Its like the way a band like 'Greenday' are not really a punk to the ear, but it is still where they originated from.
imo bands like LP and Greenday etc are maybe sub-genres at best, they took there style from someplace and made a few alterations, they did not really create something band new.First of all - you are not insinuating Metal is a subgenre of Alternative Rock, are you?:stare:
Secondly, Alternative Rock is not as general as you seem to think.
LP is (was) Alternative Rock. Some of their early songs were "nu-metal" (nu-metal is barely metal anyway) influenced, but they never reached Metal.
And they're not an own subgenre of Metal either, they're simply not Metal. For something to be a subgenre, it has to have some of the defining characteristics of the "main genre". LP doesn't have any of the characteristics of Metal.
They do have the characteristics of Alernative Rock though.
Green Day is Alternative Rock-influenced Pop Punk.
First of all - you are not insinuating Metal is a subgenre of Alternative Rock, are you?:stare:
Secondly, Alternative Rock is not as general as you seem to think.
LP is (was) Alternative Rock. Some of their early songs were "nu-metal" (nu-metal is barely metal anyway) influenced, but they never reached Metal.
And they're not an own subgenre of Metal either, they're simply not Metal. For something to be a subgenre, it has to have some of the defining characteristics of the "main genre". LP doesn't have any of the characteristics of Metal.
They do have the characteristics of Alernative Rock though.
Green Day is Alternative Rock-influenced Pop Punk.
LP definataly had a nu metal edge to their sound when they first hit the scene, now i dont know, I ve not heard ther latest stuff.
but google them and you will find that nu metal is still what alot people use to describe them.
(reputations stick i guess.)
Not insinuating anything about Metal though, to me 'Alternative rock' couldnt be more vague if it tried.
It is a kind of 'meh' catagory when no one knows what to lable it :haha:
Both Greenday and LP are good examples of this, they both fall under the 'alternative rock' catagory yet they sound worlds apart (when i last checked anyway)
'Alternative' means just that i guess, an alternative to <whatever>.
and Rock just means a guitar & drum outfit. if thats not general I dont know what is.
And Greenday were not influcenced by pop-punk since the term 'pop-punk' was pretty much invented to describe them (and the Offsping) in the 90's
Billie Joe Armstrong grew up listening to bands like the Clash, the Ramones and other 70s/80s era Punk bands. The term 'pop-punk' didnt really exist back then.
But its true that a bands influence and their actual sound can often be two different things.
Sledgehammer427
10-04-10, 12:07 PM
Alternative Rock-influenced Pop Punk
that is the longest genre name I have ever heard.
antikristuseke
10-04-10, 12:20 PM
But srsly, what the heck happened to LP!?!:nope:
They used to make pretty good Alternative Rock.
No, they have allways sucked.
Nope, never been a fan, although I do think they had some good songs. They're not actually terrible, but I think they've always lacked the creativity or chops to produce even a single consisntently-good album. I was hoping they'd grow out of it, but instead they got popular. Which meant they've just kept doing what they have all along, which is really not good for them.
The only heavy alt-rock band that I've ever been a big fan of is Muse.
Weiss Pinguin
10-04-10, 01:45 PM
http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/073/085/original/rapist_lkpk.jpg?1285203352
frau kaleun
10-04-10, 02:26 PM
No, they have allways sucked.
This. :D
Every LP song I've ever heard sounds pretty much like every other LP song I've ever heard. They all seem to consist of several verses of angry, whiny attempts at rapping, each one followed by a chorus of angry, whiny attempts at singing.
http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/073/085/original/rapist_lkpk.jpg?1285203352
:har:
I'd have to agree that Hide Your Wife Hide Your Kids is the best song ever produced by "Linkin Park", by far :88)
Ducimus
10-04-10, 04:06 PM
I only like their song, "In the end" because it was pretty much a tits on description of my military career. Rest of their stuff, I didn't much care for.
Takeda Shingen
10-04-10, 04:09 PM
I completely keep forgetting that you're a former serviceman, Ducimus. I don't know why; you have always struck me as decent and honorable, so there is no reason why I wouldn't think of you as one who has served. A fault of mine.
Legionary74
10-04-10, 04:37 PM
I completely keep forgetting that you're a former serviceman, Ducimus. I don't know why; you have always struck me as decent and honorable, so there is no reason why I wouldn't think of you as one who has served. A fault of mine.
What about me? >:(
Anyway, im a LP fan, but I was really disappointed with Minutes to Midnight. I really loved Meteora and Hybrid Theory though.
Some of MTM is good though, like Bleed it out, What Ive Done, Hands Held High, etc.
But in the end (lol im listening to that now) I think the Rising Tied from Fort Minor is amazing.
Takeda Shingen
10-04-10, 04:40 PM
What about me? >:(
Anyway, im a LP fan, but I was really disappointed with Minutes to Midnight. I really loved Meteora and Hybrid Theory though.
Some of MTM is good though, like Bleed it out, What Ive Done, Hands Held High, etc.
But in the end (lol im listening to that now) I think the Rising Tied from Fort Minor is amazing.
My apologies. I didn't know that you were a vet. Where did you serve? I never did, but I have tremondous respect for those who have. :up:
Legionary74
10-04-10, 04:52 PM
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Takeda Shingen
10-04-10, 04:56 PM
Iraq? XD
Baghdad
I'm sorry. I didn't know. My crystal ball is in the wash. :O:
Legionary74
10-04-10, 04:59 PM
-removed-
DarkFish
10-05-10, 05:45 AM
LP definataly had a nu metal edge to their sound when they first hit the scene, now i dont know, I ve not heard ther latest stuff.
but google them and you will find that nu metal is still what alot people use to describe them.
(reputations stick i guess.)Yep, reputations stick. Though I must agree they did have a Metal influence in their debut album Hybrid Theory.
Nowadays, this influence is gone.
Not insinuating anything about Metal though, to me 'Alternative rock' couldnt be more vague if it tried. It is a kind of 'meh' catagory when no one knows what to lable it :haha:
Both Greenday and LP are good examples of this, they both fall under the 'alternative rock' catagory yet they sound worlds apart (when i last checked anyway) Ehm, first of all, Green Day is Pop Punk (though they do have some Alternative Rock songs).
Secondly, if you take one of those Alternative Rock songs of Green Day, they do not sound worlds apart at all. Just compare the chorus riffs of "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" by Green Day and "What I've Done" by LP. You'll find they are remarkably similar:
E|---------------------------------|
B|---------------------------------|
G|-6-6-6-6---------8-8-8-8---------| X3
D|-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-3-3-3-3-|
A|-4-4-4-4-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-6-3-3-3-3-|
E|---------4-4-4-4---------1-1-1-1-|
E|---------------------------------------------------|
B|---------------------------------------------------|
G|-------------------------------8-------------------|
D|----3--------------6-----------8--(x8)----8--------|
A|----3--(x8)--------6--(x8)-----6----------8--(x8)--|
E|----1--------------4----------------------6--------|
Both are riffs consisting of 4 different chords that are are played either 4 (GD) or 8 (LP) times before moving on to the next chord.
And yes, of course even the Alt Rock GD songs sound very different from LP. But that's because they are different bands. Amon Amarth sounds very different from Dark Tranquillity, yet no one will disagree they are both Melodic Death Metal.
'Alternative' means just that i guess, an alternative to <whatever>. and Rock just means a guitar & drum outfit. if thats not general I dont know what is.You're right about Rock as a genre not saying a thing about the music:haha: You're wrong about the "Alternative" part however.
Alternative Rock definitely has some characteristics that distinguishes it from other Rock genres. Generally speaking, Alternative Rock has riffs consisting of long successions of just one chord, with medium guitar distortion:
eI---------------------------------------I
BI---------------------------------------I
GI-55555555-77777777----------555555-----I
DI-55555555-77777777-33333333-555555-5-5-I
AI-33333333-55555555-33333333-333333-5-5-I
EI-------------------11111111--------3-3-I Punk rock has somewhat more complex riffs:
e|---------------------------|
B|---------------------------|
G|--9-----6-6----------------|
D|--9--9--6-6--6---7--6---7--|
A|--7--9--4-4--6---7--6---7--|
E|-----7-------4---5--4---5--| Metal characterizes itself by its often fast and complex rhythms and riffs, heavy use of distortion, and often muted chords:
|-----------------------------------------------------|
|-----------------------------------------------------|
|-----------------------------------------------------|
|---------4---------5-5--------7-7------------9-9---9-|
|-2-------2-222--5--3-3---333--5-5-7-9--------7-7-9-7-|
|-0-000----------3-----------------5-7---777------7---|
And Greenday were not influcenced by pop-punk since the term 'pop-punk' was pretty much invented to describe them (and the Offsping) in the 90's. Billie Joe Armstrong grew up listening to bands like the Clash, the Ramones and other 70s/80s era Punk bands. The term 'pop-punk' didnt really exist back then.
But its true that a bands influence and their actual sound can often be two different things.That's why I said they are Pop-Punk. The influence I was talking about is an Alternative Rock-influence;)
DarkFish
10-05-10, 05:47 AM
that is the longest genre name I have ever heard.Eluveitie is Celtic Melodic Folk Death Metal;):D
Ducimus
10-05-10, 05:16 PM
I think i'll just stick with my late 80's, and 90's hair bands. :O:
Penguin
10-06-10, 08:33 AM
I just watched a trailer for Medal of Honor, directed by Joe Hahn, with music from LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-yVxKWFUnc While the editing was mediocre, the music made my stomach cringe. If I were in Afghanistan and had to fight to this sound, I would defect to the Taliban. Better no music at all than this!
DarkFish
10-06-10, 09:32 AM
I just watched a trailer for Medal of Honor, directed by Joe Hahn, with music from LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-yVxKWFUnc While the editing was mediocre, the music made my stomach cringe. If I were in Afghanistan and had to fight to this sound, I would defect to the Taliban. Better no music at all than this!:haha:
Couldn't agree more:up:
Ducimus
10-06-10, 05:05 PM
I would have thought this would have been more appropriate then THAT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mSmOcmk7uQ&ob=av3e
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