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CaptainMattJ.
10-03-10, 01:54 AM
to be honest, i would love enemy at the gates. i had it before but i cant find it at all now. it was good movie, too
antikristuseke
10-03-10, 01:58 AM
You should pay me to take u-571 off your hands.
papa_smurf
10-03-10, 05:51 AM
You should pay me to take u-571 off your hands.
Yeah, so wheres Das Boot?
CaptainMattJ.
10-03-10, 11:48 AM
You should pay me to take u-571 off your hands.
wow. Whats with everyone's hatred towards U-571. It truly wasnt as bad as everybody here made it to be.
antikristuseke
10-03-10, 11:51 AM
It was plenty bad ennough. Though by far not the worst movie I have ever seen.
CaptainMattJ.
10-03-10, 12:07 PM
thats because you feed on tiny details and your a diehard sub fan. i like to consider myself a big fan of subs, too but i didnt care that it wasnt accurate to the tip. The only Big impossible blatently innaccurate scene was the underwater battle, and if you guys learn to disregard that one scene it was a good movie.
I honestly dont know what you all expect. its a movie. Movies need SOMETHING interesting. Frankly patrolling for days on end without sightings of any kind, bored out of your gourd, isnt a movie. its a documentary. And, it HOLLYWOOOD. alot of their movies are just impossible beyond all belief, but U-571 was good. good plot. great acting. and one impossible scene out of the entire movie ( which was.......possible, only very very VERY VERY VEEEEERY VEEEEEEERY VERY VERY VERY improbable). but it was exciting. I liked the beginning too. in the U-boat.
You just gotta learn to relaaaaaxx. And enjoy the movie. This was a decently accurate movie, but you cant let that get to you. just relax and enjoy. You want realism? go join the navy. (or rejoin for some).thats about as real as your ever gonna get. thats 110% realism right there.
Sailor Steve
10-03-10, 12:14 PM
Didn't you already have this conversation once? Somebody said he didn't like the movie, and you're starting an argument over it again.
antikristuseke
10-03-10, 12:14 PM
Corporal, recon infantry, in the reserves now, got plenty of realism there. And I would join the navy if i hadnt ruined my knee :)
Takeda Shingen
10-03-10, 12:49 PM
thats because you feed on tiny details and your a diehard sub fan. i like to consider myself a big fan of subs, too but i didnt care that it wasnt accurate to the tip. The only Big impossible blatently innaccurate scene was the underwater battle, and if you guys learn to disregard that one scene it was a good movie.
I honestly dont know what you all expect. its a movie. Movies need SOMETHING interesting. Frankly patrolling for days on end without sightings of any kind, bored out of your gourd, isnt a movie. its a documentary. And, it HOLLYWOOOD. alot of their movies are just impossible beyond all belief, but U-571 was good. good plot. great acting. and one impossible scene out of the entire movie ( which was.......possible, only very very VERY VERY VEEEEERY VEEEEEEERY VERY VERY VERY improbable). but it was exciting. I liked the beginning too. in the U-boat.
You just gotta learn to relaaaaaxx. And enjoy the movie. This was a decently accurate movie, but you cant let that get to you. just relax and enjoy. You want realism? go join the navy. (or rejoin for some).thats about as real as your ever gonna get. thats 110% realism right there.
Details are the difference between the dilettante and the connoisseur. This website caters to the latter.
Jimbuna
10-03-10, 01:04 PM
This was a decently accurate movie
Actually it wasn't....the plot was fatally flawed throughout.....so flawed and innacurate that the American screenwriter David Ayer issued a public apology for distorting the truth.
You do know who captured the first Enigma don't you?
Legionary74
10-03-10, 01:05 PM
Actually it wasn't....the plot was fatally flawed throughout.....so flawed and innacurate that the American screenwriter David Ayer issued a public apology for distorting the truth.
You do know who captured the first Enigma don't you?
Britain from U-110
Legionary74
10-03-10, 01:06 PM
Wouldnt of known that if not for this book
http://www.amazon.com/True-Stories-Second-World-War/dp/0746057482
xD
Sailor Steve
10-03-10, 03:04 PM
Wouldnt of
:damn:
I hope you're not in college. :O:
Legionary74
10-03-10, 03:13 PM
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antikristuseke
10-03-10, 03:17 PM
Still missing an apostrophe
Legionary74
10-03-10, 03:37 PM
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antikristuseke
10-03-10, 03:39 PM
It is a sad, sad day when the person for whom English is a tretiary langage gets to play grammar nazi for a brit :D
Legionary74
10-03-10, 03:40 PM
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antikristuseke
10-03-10, 03:46 PM
Me feilsh engrish, unpossible!:x
ANY WAYS!... If you do not mind us going back to the topic... Enemy at the Gates is still for sale.
Takeda Shingen
10-03-10, 07:38 PM
ANY WAYS!... If you do not mind us going back to the topic... Enemy at the Gates is still for sale.
Well, if you want to get technical, it is considered poor nettiquite to utilize someone else's bandwidth to hawk your wares.
Well, if you want to get technical, it is considered poor nettiquite to utilize someone else's bandwidth to hawk your wares.
Sorry than. Still we are off topic, just a bit
Takeda Shingen
10-03-10, 07:43 PM
Sorry than. Still we are off topic, just a bit
Just trying to warn you that this is a pretty thin line you're walking. People have been banned for this sort of thing.
antikristuseke
10-03-10, 07:48 PM
I must be treading on a fishing line most of the time then.
Takeda Shingen
10-03-10, 07:51 PM
I must be treading on a fishing line most of the time then.
We're not talking about getting rid of an old game, we're talking about a full internet store. It's fine to open an e-store to make a buck, but you really should obtain the permission of the site owner before you promote it on his dime.
antikristuseke
10-03-10, 07:58 PM
I'm just taking the piss, last 4 hours to go on a 24 hour shift. Insanity set in a long time ago.
Takeda Shingen
10-03-10, 08:00 PM
I'm just taking the piss, last 4 hours to go on a 24 hour shift. Insanity set in a long time ago.
I have no idea how you are able to do that. You've got some serious willpower.
antikristuseke
10-03-10, 08:04 PM
Talking **** on the internets helps, so does coffee. Insanity was allready mentioned, also when i get my credit history cleared up again I'll be geting myself a decent laptop so I can just play EVE and get paid for doing what id be doing while siting at home. It really isnt that difficult since this is a quiet site, has a decent security system and no blind sopos in the camera coverage. The cameras being motion sensitive helps because as soon as there is movement on one of them it lights up a light to pull my attention to it so when reading a book or doing something else like that it is easy to watch them out of the corner of my eye.
Well then I will take it down from the site, I meant no harm.
CaptainMattJ.
10-04-10, 05:45 PM
Actually it wasn't....the plot was fatally flawed throughout.....so flawed and innacurate that the American screenwriter David Ayer issued a public apology for distorting the truth.
You do know who captured the first Enigma don't you?
well the entire movie was realistic fiction, therefore it was based on real events but didnt ACTUALLY happen. Of course it didnt. therefore it didnt matter if it was captured on U-110 or U-999 it wasnt based on an actual event it was based on the submarine war in general.
and yes steve i did have roughly this same conversation, but still dont hate U 571 JUST because of its inaccuracy. It wasnt that bad a movie when overlooking its historical fallacies. but to be honest the beginning was fairly accurate, when they calculated the information and all.
Jimbuna
10-05-10, 02:53 PM
well the entire movie was realistic fiction, therefore it was based on real events but didnt ACTUALLY happen. Of course it didnt. therefore it didnt matter if it was captured on U-110 or U-999 it wasnt based on an actual event it was based on the submarine war in general.
and yes steve i did have roughly this same conversation, but still dont hate U 571 JUST because of its inaccuracy. It wasnt that bad a movie when overlooking its historical fallacies. but to be honest the beginning was fairly accurate, when they calculated the information and all.
You say it "didn't matter matter if it was captured on U-110 or U-999 it wasnt based on an actual event it was based on the submarine war in general"
The blatant distortion certainly mattered to some....and below says it all.
Rather cynically, American screenwriter David Ayer depicted American rather than British naval officers capturing the first Enigma machine, “in order to drive the movie for an American audience.” The first Enigma machine was in fact seized by officers from HMS Bulldog in 1941 and by the time the USA joined the war later that year, Britain had cracked the code. The post-release furore led Tony Blair, Prime Minister at the time, to agree that it was “an affront to the memories” of those involved and Bill Clinton, then US President, to write a letter emphasising the film’s fictional nature. In 2006, Ayer told the BBC he had come to regret the alteration: “Both my grandparents were officers in World War II, and I would be personally offended if somebody distorted their achievements.”
CaptainMattJ.
10-05-10, 05:48 PM
You say it "didn't matter matter if it was captured on U-110 or U-999 it wasnt based on an actual event it was based on the submarine war in general"
The blatant distortion certainly mattered to some....and below says it all.
i was saying the MOVIE didnt actually happen. yes i know british captured it. But guess what. it was a destroyer that did it. it wouldnt be a sub movie if it took place all on a destroyer. again it wasnt trying to imitate that actual event, rather tell a realistical fiction story about a different set of events. However, they shouldve acknowleged (which im PRETTY sure that they did) that the bulldog was the real capturer.
he apologized cause people reacted the wrong way it was very bad publicity, not that he distorted the truth. he told people what really happened, just not in the bulk of the movie, and created a fictional story as, again, a MOVIE. not a documentary.
If your doing an entirely different event that doesnt pertain to the real one, then it doesnt matter if its named u-110 or u-999 because it wasnt based on the real event, but on a fictional one. he didnt tell people that "this is exactly the event that happened", and said otherwise.
AngusJS
10-05-10, 09:13 PM
The only Big impossible blatently innaccurate scene was the underwater battle, and if you guys learn to disregard that one scene it was a good movie.Don't forget the single engine German fighter flying around out in the middle of the Atlantic. I guess the Graf Zeppelin finally made it out of port in this movie?
But it gets even sillier than that, because IIRC in that same scene, the sub captain tells his crew to act normal, and has to prevent one of them from manning the AA guns.
As if the German pilot would be able to tell if anything is suspicious or not as he buzzes the u-boat.
And wouldn't the correct, and least suspicious thing to do simply be to crash dive?
Frankly patrolling for days on end without sightings of any kind, bored out of your gourd, isnt a movie.Sounds like a large part of Das Boot.
You just gotta learn to relaaaaaxx. And enjoy the movie. This was a decently accurate movie, but you cant let that get to you. just relax and enjoy. You want realism? go join the navy. (or rejoin for some).thats about as real as your ever gonna get. thats 110% realism right there.It's annoying because the real stories of the war are so much more interesting than the crap Hollywood thinks it has to make up.
TLAM Strike
10-05-10, 09:39 PM
Don't forget the single engine German fighter flying around out in the middle of the Atlantic. I guess the Graf Zeppelin finally made it out of port in this movie?
If they stuck some pontoons on the aircraft it would have been accurate, but then its hard for the movie going public to take such an aircraft as a threat unless they were familiar with WWII aircraft.
Also they may have just had a BF-109 sitting around somewhere they rented, I imagine there is not many Arado floatplanes remaining in the world.
CaptainMattJ.
10-05-10, 09:55 PM
Don't forget the single engine German fighter flying around out in the middle of the Atlantic. I guess the Graf Zeppelin finally made it out of port in this movie?
But it gets even sillier than that, because IIRC in that same scene, the sub captain tells his crew to act normal, and has to prevent one of them from manning the AA guns.
As if the German pilot would be able to tell if anything is suspicious or not as he buzzes the u-boat.
And wouldn't the correct, and least suspicious thing to do simply be to crash dive?
Sounds like a large part of Das Boot.
It's annoying because the real stories of the war are so much more interesting than the crap Hollywood thinks it has to make up.
sounds like you havent actually watched it Hmmmmmmmmm? the fighter was running a recon screen for a destroyer, however maybe it was launched from a cruiser that was maybe a hundred miles away perhaps o.O? maybe it was the Koln? or the lutzow? however it is inaccurate to have german ships out in the atlantic, as they rarely went out. however this wasnt as blatent, because theyre very well couldve been german destroyers if they wanted to be out there. there couldntve been such an underawter battle, however.
and the captain told them to stay calm and not do anything stupid. He had to keep the guy actually MANNING the flak gun to not shoot, because another guy was shouting at him and telling him to shoot down the aircraft.
they couldnt crash dive because it was too late before they spotted the plane, and the captured german prisoner (which was, in fact, the captain of the uboat, but they didnt know that) sabatoged hydralics and other systems, and killed mezzola, who was the guy who shouted at the guy manning the flak gun to shoot the aircraft. then he was subdued again.
and if they shot and missed the plane, it wouldve radioed in that they were aboard the uboat, and the integrity of the mission ( and their lives) wouldve been compromised.
and, yes while das boot had alot of sitting around, but it had action as well, and very dramatic action too. i doubt you went out on patrol and had all that happen. a normal patrol in real life and in the game consists of rarely sighting ships, and once you found one you sankit clean a quick. some of us dont like going after convoys because of destroyers, like real captains did, and rather sink single and stragglers.
TLAM Strike
10-05-10, 10:08 PM
there couldntve been such an underawter battle, however.
Two things...
1 USN tactics early in the war dictated a submerged attack using sonar only was superior to a periscope attack since it was believed that passive sonar bearings would provide sufficient data for the TDC. It did not, however active sonar was used occasionally to provide data for the TDC, Thunder Below documented one of these occasions.
2 There was one incident of a submerged Sub vs. Sub kill in the war. It was with a British sub against a German U Boat. But I think the Brit sub used active sonar.
EDIT: Found it... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Venturer_%28P68%29)
CaptainMattJ.
10-05-10, 10:15 PM
Two things...
1 USN tactics early in the war dictated a submerged attack using sonar only was superior to a periscope attack since it was believed that passive sonar bearings would provide sufficient data for the TDC. It did not, however active sonar was used occasionally to provide data for the TDC, Thunder Below documented one of these occasions.
2 There was one incident of a submerged Sub vs. Sub kill in the war. It was with a British sub against a German U Boat. But I think the Brit sub used active sonar.
i know that there was 1 underwater sinking. But your forgetting that the resupply subs germany used had no torpedo tubes. the movie had to put this in however, because that was a crucial point in the story.
TLAM Strike
10-05-10, 10:20 PM
i know that there was 1 underwater sinking. But your forgetting that the resupply subs germany used had no torpedo tubes. the movie had to put this in however, because that was a crucial point in the story.
IIRC during Drumbbeat the Germans refueled their Type VII using their Type IXs coming off patrol.
I'm kinda vague on the movie (not seen it in about a year) but it could be argued that the "Resupply Sub" was just a normal sub tasked with the mission. All they were doing was caring diesel parts to get U-571's engines running so she could get back to port, they did not need any large stores of provisions or torpedoes that a Resupply Sub is designed to transport.
AngusJS
10-05-10, 10:54 PM
sounds like you havent actually watched it Hmmmmmmmmm?I did watch it, back in 01 or 02. Sue me if I don't remember ever detail of the movie correctly.
the fighter was running a recon screen for a destroyer, however maybe it was launched from a cruiser that was maybe a hundred miles away perhaps o.O?With no pontoons?
and the captain told them to stay calm and not do anything stupid. He had to keep the guy actually MANNING the flak gun to not shoot, because another guy was shouting at him and telling him to shoot down the aircraft.I don't remember, did the Germans have any reason to think that the Americans had stolen the U-boat? According to the wiki article, the German destroyer captain didn't consider them a threat, until they fired on it - so it seems like this entire plane sequence was just to build false tension.
Oh, and the article made me remember the scene where the Germans murder the merchant crew survivors. Which I guess was put in the movie to tell us dumb viewers that we should be rooting against them.
God, I really hate Hollywood sometimes. You'd think that considering the number of screenwriters trying to break into the business, only the very best would rise to the top. But you'd be wrong. :nope:
TLAM Strike
10-05-10, 11:30 PM
With no pontoons?
Remember the CAM ship... ;)
CaptainMattJ.
10-06-10, 12:57 AM
I did watch it, back in 01 or 02. Sue me if I don't remember ever detail of the movie correctly.
With no pontoons?
I don't remember, did the Germans have any reason to think that the Americans had stolen the U-boat? According to the wiki article, the German destroyer captain didn't consider them a threat, until they fired on it - so it seems like this entire plane sequence was just to build false tension.
Oh, and the article made me remember the scene where the Germans murder the merchant crew survivors. Which I guess was put in the movie to tell us dumb viewers that we should be rooting against them.
God, I really hate Hollywood sometimes. You'd think that considering the number of screenwriters trying to break into the business, only the very best would rise to the top. But you'd be wrong. :nope:
yea. the wiki article is vauge, though. The plane part showed how the crew was split and at the breaking point. mezzola kept yelling at trigger to fire the AA gun when the plane was making a pass cause it was on an attack vector. it didnt attack, and trigger didnt fire, but the captain then socked mazzola in the face for being FAR out of line.
no pontoons though. it wasnt a floatplane, and that was inaccurate too.
the scene where the germans shot the survivors was inaccurate, too, but showed the atrocities of war, as a symbol. while germans may not have taken prisoners all the time, they helped out survivors and sent them on their way usually.
those 2 things are inaccurate, but not BLATENTLY. the germans couldve easily shot survivors, and its possible, and they werent that far from the coast so a land based recon plane is possible too.
kiwi_2005
10-06-10, 05:54 AM
Talking bout sub movies I thought the movie 'Below' was really good :oops: Good as in horror theme to it, well not really a horror at all more based on thriller - when the sailor sees the ghost of himself through the port hole that was kinda freaky and some good shots of a fleet boat whether it was for real or a damn model i don't know but was an exciting part anyway! :D
U571 was a good fictional action flick. Nothing more. But good anyways
krashkart
10-06-10, 06:46 AM
'Below' was a pretty good movie. Gave me goosebumps, and that doesn't happen often these days when I watch a horror film.
TLAM Strike
10-06-10, 09:27 AM
I saw the last half of Below on TV a about six months ago. Not bad. :up:
FIREWALL
10-06-10, 10:00 AM
Anyone ever seen the WWII sub movie " Mission Bikini" ?
Wasn't bad for an old B+W movie.
krashkart
10-06-10, 10:23 AM
I don't believe that I ever have seen that film.
FIREWALL
10-06-10, 10:38 AM
Saw it last week on an old movies channel.
Strange thing is I can't find it on google.
frau kaleun
10-08-10, 08:14 PM
'Below' was a pretty good movie. Gave me goosebumps, and that doesn't happen often these days when I watch a horror film.
I just watched this tonight (based entirely on the discussion here) and I have to say, it was way more entertaining and chill-inducing than I expected even given the recommendation. I think it may become my go-to sub movie for the Halloween season. :yeah:
FIREWALL
10-08-10, 11:54 PM
Saw it last week on an old movies channel.
Strange thing is I can't find it on google.
OOPS!!! The movie is " Operation Bikini " Good WWII Sub movie.
krashkart
10-10-10, 02:39 PM
OOPS!!! The movie is " Operation Bikini " Good WWII Sub movie.
It's on TV right now. What luck. Found it while channel surfing, just as they picked up the convoy on radar. :)
I just watched this tonight (based entirely on the discussion here) and I have to say, it was way more entertaining and chill-inducing than I expected even given the recommendation. I think it may become my go-to sub movie for the Halloween season. :yeah:
They chose a great setting. What could be worse than being deep under water in a haunted submarine? :DL
Do we really want to know the answer to that? :hmmm::o:timeout:
frau kaleun
10-10-10, 05:34 PM
They chose a great setting. What could be worse than being deep under water in a haunted submarine? :DL
:rotfl2:
While I was watching it I started thinking along those exact same lines. "What could be worse than being trapped underwater in a badly damaged, out of control submarine? Oh, right, being trapped underwater in a badly damaged, out of control, HAUNTED submarine."
And really, maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention, or focused on other things - but normally in movies like this I figure out what the "surprise" is very early on. This one - well, I had ideas, I knew there was something hinky about the death of the previous CO, but I wasn't absolutely SURE what happened until they finally revealed it. There was just enough uncertainty to keep me wondering between that and a couple other possibilities.
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