How China could defeat a US carrier fleet

[the_tyrant]

China could easily defeat the us navy in the Taiwan strait
china has too many people. therefore the Chinese government can put people on small boats and inflatables and charge them towards the American fleet
each small beat would have 2 people, 1 guy to drive it, and another guy to fire a rpg
the small boats will charge and close in towards the American carriers, fireing the rpgs when close
a carrier task force could not defeat 2000 small boats
therefore, the us could not win:rotfl2:!

[antikristuseke]

YOU!
FIREWATER BAD, YOU NO DRINKEY!
UNDERSTAND?

Seriously though, ennough with the nonsensical topics.

[CaptainMattJ.]

China could easily defeat the us navy in the Taiwan strait
china has too many people. therefore the Chinese government can put people on small boats and inflatables and charge them towards the American fleet
each small beat would have 2 people, 1 guy to drive it, and another guy to fire a rpg
the small boats will charge and close in towards the American carriers, fireing the rpgs when close
a carrier task force could not defeat 2000 small boats
therefore, the us could not win:rotfl2:!
Thats a total fail statement. Ever heard of a tactical nuke? what about a cruise missle? FA FA FA FAILURE :down: Ever since the japs lead suicide charges against us, weve learned of effective ways to deal with those types of situations.

Got an annoying mother-in-law? Nuke her!Dont let a few thousand Taliban advancing on your position stop you from enjoying a nice sunny day. Nuke em! If the world disagrees, theres always diplomatic ways of dealing em? what ways you might ask? nuke em! Tired of having to call in a nuke? now you can drive your very own ICBM-launching truck. but dont worry. if your nuke-blasting needs arent met by a simple tac nuke, just ship it back and youll get a thermonuclear bomb! tired of whistling construction workers ladies? next time whistle back! with a high velocity Cruise missle thatll incinerate the whole building site! and for lighter loads you can carry in your purse, how about a javelin missle launcher! buy now and receive TWO packs of nuclear tipped missles for the price of one!

so you see, you can just forget about that whole even TRYING thing, cause Youll just end up being Flash incinerated by a couple of trigger-happy basterds (pardon my french)

[the_tyrant]

Thats a total fail statement. Ever heard of a tactical nuke? what about a cruise missle? FA FA FA FAILURE :down:

the average intelligence on a Chinese forum is actually quite low
considering that many people support this theory
and that if you didn't they would call you a treasonous bastard

[Task Force]

Hmm, but if they employed 5,000 boats from all directions...

[SteamWake]

Thats a total fail statement. Ever heard of a tactical nuke? what about a cruise missle? FA FA FA FAILURE :down:

I dont think there going to pop off a tactical nuke that close to the boat.

Now a vulcan cannon... But uhhh can they be pointed at the waterline?

Besides how much damage could you do to a carrier with an rpg.

Even if they manage to disable it how the hell would they board her?

Not a bad troll attempt.

[The Third Man]

What tactical advantage would there be for putting a carrier, which function is to project power through its airwing, in the Taiwan Strait?

I don't recall any other time when US tactics called for placing a carrier in such a confined seaway. Normandy....no; Guadalcanal....no; Yellow sea....no. Blue water navy tactics is just that blue water.

[antikristuseke]

I dont think there going to pop off a tactical nuke that close to the boat.

Now a vulcan cannon... But uhhh can they be pointed at the waterline?

Besides how much damage could you do to a carrier with an rpg.

Even if they manage to disable it how the hell would they board her?

Not a bad troll attempt.

The vulcans dont really need to be pointed at the waterline, airburst munitions, but they can be as far as I know. Besides at those ranges there should be more than ennough m240's on board with a few pissed off sailors to use them. And as the third man mentioned, why in the name of **** would they even put a carrier there in the first place.

[CaptainMattJ.]

I dont think there going to pop off a tactical nuke that close to the boat.

Now a vulcan cannon... But uhhh can they be pointed at the waterline?

Besides how much damage could you do to a carrier with an rpg.

Even if they manage to disable it how the hell would they board her?

Not a bad troll attempt.
:o are you forgetting the sensory equipment? satellites? besides tac nukes are pretty efficient, seeing as how they can be used on a battlefield.

besides RPGS would tickle the carriers funny bone. its like shooting nerf(the playful kids toy Nerf) darts at a grizzly bear. HYPOTHETICALLY if all the boats werent completely incinerated, the 5 that were left would still have to make 5 RPG heads destroy a carrier from the outside. Just a total fail.


i cant even describe how dead youd be if you were hosed by a vulcan cannon in a rubber raft. Like you wouldnt exist as a mass anymore. the atoms that made up your body would be evaporated.

[TLAM Strike]

I leave for a couple of hours and this junk shows up on the forum... :cry:

What tactical advantage would there be for putting a carrier, which function is to project power through its airwing, in the Taiwan Strait?

I don't recall any other time when US tactics called for placing a carrier in such a confined seaway. Normandy....no; Guadalcanal....no; Yellow sea....no. Blue water navy tactics is just that blue water.

^What he said.

The only reason the US sends it carriers in to areas like the Taiwan Strait or Strait or Hormuz is to establish "Freedom of navigation" IE the right of US and all friendly nations to transit those waters.

In time of war our CSGs would be deployed several thousand miles east of Taiwan.

The vulcans dont really need to be pointed at the waterline, airburst munitions, but they can be as far as I know. Besides at those ranges there should be more than ennough m240's on board with a few pissed off sailors to use them. And as the third man mentioned, why in the name of **** would they even put a carrier there in the first place. I know RN ships are mounting Miniguns for small craft defense, our ships still use the Ma Duce (my buddy's 'can had five or six .50 cal mounts).


EDIT: Ok now listen: the only way the PRC is sinking a CVN is to either flood the seas with submarines or launch a huge overwhelming barrage of MRBMs at the carrier group or play the attrition game and just bleed our air wings dry.

[antikristuseke]

Yeah, forgot to mention the M2HB's basically attacking a carrier in a dingy while carrying an ineffective weapon is bound to fail in a depressingly epic fashion.

[gimpy117]

even better: stop buying out national debt. then we're screwed

[bookworm_020]

even better: stop buying out national debt. then we're screwed

They'll start swaping your debt for a carrier battle group soon!

[Jimbuna]

They'll start swaping your debt for a carrier battle group soon!


The only sure method of preventing a carrier from being destroyed would be to follow the RN train of thought.....contemplate not building them at all :doh:

[geetrue]

Interesting for which side you are on, because this ain't going to happen. :O:

The naval war college in Rhode Island handles these kinds of problems all the time. :yeah:

They know how to handle the problems of naval warfare ahead of time.

Now you have blown it for any chance of your countries survival.

Now we know your diabolical plan to charge us with thousand of small craft full of explosives.

More important is why this would happen.

Why would the US go to war with China?

Taiwan?

I don't think so:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

US debt to China is 772 billion dollars and rising ... how much would it cost to have a conflict instead of paying them.

That's why they are selling the US dollar right now to get some of their money now :salute:

[Diopos]

How China could defeat a US carrier fleet

So the answer is:
Patience!
How many CVs will be around in 50 years?

:hmmm:

.

[TLAM Strike]

How China could defeat a US carrier fleet

So the answer is:
Patience!
How many CVs will be around in 50 years?

:hmmm:

.

50 years huh... that would put it around the 2060's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_above_and_beyond) wouldn't it?

I bet we will still have a dozen or so carriers around somewhere....

:O:

[Tchocky]

Hey, it worked in Millenium Challenge '02 :D

[Diopos]

TLAM,
I cheked the link.
We're talking about the Chins not the Chigs!

:D

.

[nikimcbee]

Easy, accuse the US fleet of racism. It would destroy itself.:shifty:

[TLAM Strike]

TLAM,
I cheked the link.
We're talking about the Chins not the Chigs!

:D

.

Oh right, the Chinese were on our side for that one... :hmmm:

[Oberon]

Hey, it worked in Millenium Challenge '02 :D

My thoughts exactly...

Still, one could hope that the USN has learnt something since then...