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'Give It a Shot'.
Sarah Palin may be edging closer to a 2012 presidential run, telling Fox News "I would give it a shot" if the American people think she's "the one."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/17/palin-opens-possible-run-says-shed-shot/
Note:September 17, 2010
krashkart
09-18-10, 06:09 AM
Interesting. She spoke here in town last night. I didn't go to see it but I just caught some highlights of it on the news. If she can give us an in depth look at how she plans to reform the country, rather than repeating catch-phrases, I might give her a chance. Same with any candidate. But.... I don't see that in the cards aaaanytime soon. :shifty:
Possible that she has more skins on the nose now an earlier, pre-election before that she was not quite credible, and she needs a lot more back-up to earn trust, personally I think she will find it difficult.
AVGWarhawk
09-18-10, 07:31 AM
I think this move would be nothing but a huge waste of her time and money. She came out of the gate like a rocket when McCain introduced her but as soon as the second stage ignited the rocket fizzled out.
AngusJS
09-18-10, 07:51 AM
So the world really will come to an end in 2012, then?
Oh well, it had a good run.
I think this move would be nothing but a huge waste of her time and money.
...
She is a politician. She may "spend" her time but one thing is certain ... she'll spend OTHER PEOPLE'S money (even if not in office) :yep:
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I think this move would be nothing but a huge waste of her time and money. She came out of the gate like a rocket when McCain introduced her but as soon as the second stage ignited the rocket fizzled out. was a bit desperate and sent her into the fire, which was a mistake and the consequence I do not think they pay again.
krashkart
09-18-10, 08:18 AM
The biggest mistake McCain made that lost my interest was when he started talking about Putin. Struck me that there would be greater possibility for "disagreements" with Russia. No point in getting our sabers rattling over old grudges against the Soviets. :-?
I didn't really mind so much that he had Palin on the ticket... although it did introduce a new element to the campaign that helped seal the deal for Obama to take the prize. :lol:
Takeda Shingen
09-18-10, 08:44 AM
I don't think that anyone would be surprised if she were to run. Many people on this forum, myself included, said that one of the primary reasons that she quit her job as governor was so that she could spend her time raising her profile in the hopes of running for president. The wisdom of walking off the job before her term expired is dubious, and will certainly come back to bite her if she runs, but it is becoming increasingly clear that this is the intention.
I think it very likely that Obama will be re-elected for a second term. Despite the constant assurances to the contrary, it is pretty clear that Team R is in the midst of an internal power struggle between it's far-right elements and it's (also far right, but ruthlessly pragmatic) neo-conservative leadership. Given that, I think that it is possible that, should Palin run, the leadership would support her, despite the fact that she is a supporter of Tea Party, who the GOP leadership has now turned against. However, I suspect that the party leadership knows that a win against Obama is highly unlikely, and may support Palin knowing that she is expendable.
Sarah Palin is wildly popular with a very small, but very vocal minority. Her campaign will look good at the rallies, and if by some divine intervention she wins her bid for president, then then Team R gets the White House. However, if she loses, Team R finally gets rid of the thorn in it's side that she has become. Moreover, they get through a difficult cycle against an opponent who is an excellent campaigner without sacrificing any of their established A-list talent, priming them for a better run in 2016, by which time the neo-cons will have likely subdued the Tea Party and pulled them back into line.
One should not confuse the possible with the likely, and only that if she were to not only run, but recieve the nomination, I believe the above would be the rationale.
Obama's master plan to get re-elected. :D
Sarah Palin celebrated the victories of her chosen candidates in the GOP primaries and called for Republican leaders to set personal feelings aside and help unite the party, as she made a political trip to the presidential caucus state of Iowa.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/18/palin-iowa-cheers-tea-party-victories-renewing-speculation-presidential-run/
Note:Update September 18, 2010
mookiemookie
09-18-10, 11:02 AM
I doubt she'd make it past the GOP primaries over better candidates like Huckabee or Romney.
Ducimus
09-18-10, 11:17 AM
Oh i'm sure she'll run, as is probably been here intention the entire time. I'll be sure to vote for anybody BUT her, if I bother to engage in that pointless exercise at all.
I think the reason so many, and there are clear facts that speak against her, there are more than just onto prospective entrants her, so her chances are slim, very slim.
Platapus
09-18-10, 01:42 PM
Of course Palin can give it a shot. If it does not work out she can always quit.
The Third Man
09-18-10, 01:55 PM
Is this setting up as a Palin v. Clinton confrontation? I don't know, but it would be interesting.....wouldn't it?
Jimbuna
09-18-10, 02:15 PM
Is this setting up as a Palin v. Clinton confrontation? I don't know, but it would be interesting.....wouldn't it?
I should imagine it would....certainly on this side of the pond.
I should imagine it would....certainly on this side of the pond. :haha:
Bubblehead1980
09-18-10, 02:42 PM
Note:I am by no means a Sarah Palin fan, I feel that McCain could have made a better choice in 2008 but that is the past.I have found myself liking Palin more but not a big fan.
My take on Sarah Palin....
Pros: A true Conservative who would return the US to sensible economics, appoint judges who believe in the constitution, not bow to our enemies and stop the tide of socialism and quasai socialism from infesting the US any further.
Not a member of the so called "elite" political class.Lets face it guys,our leaders feel they are a step above and they know best.They also try to close ranks because they know people like Palin are a real threat.Obama tried and tries to play the "I'm one of you" cards but Palin is far closer to the average citizen than than anyone on the political scene currently.Sure she did not go to Harvard, Yale etc but you know what? The Harvard, Yale guys etc are the ones who have ran this country into the ground.I respect education, I am in law school for crying out loud , a good one at that, but having a JD or a MBA from Harvard etc does not mean you are above another candidate or better qualified.Palin would be the first President in a long time is really on the side of the people.
Cons: While she was Governor and Mayor and thus has some executive (more than Obama had when he took office which has shown in the past couple years and continues to) she has not shown that she is well versed in current issues yet but she seems to have more knowledge than she did when she was thrown into the spotlight in 2008.
Religion.Palin is pretty religious which bothers me but at same time we've had some deeply religious Presidents who were great and not just in conservatives opinion.Reagan left office with 64% approval rating.
I am a Conservative but I do not make my mind up until I see the candidates and learn their positions.As much as I despise Obama now, I had no opinion on him intitially.During the 2009 Dem primary I watched and hoped Hillary would win because after reading his books , listening to his speeches and doing some research on him, I saw how Left he was and saw that he is dangerous.I worked for the McCain campaign in 2008 and was very much opposed to Obama because I felt his claim of being a centrist was false, which the past couple years have shown to be true.However, after Obama was elected I gave him a chance and approved of his reversing the ban on the stem cell research funding by Feds, applauded him even.Then cam his true colors, showing his racism in the who Cambridge Police incident.Then the health care thing and the constant lies, spending etc I had enough.
Now, give Palin a chance when she runs in 2012, see what she has to say, dont go on the media bias or the trash talk from the political class who fear a President who actually represents the people, the consitution and wants America to be America, not Europe.
Skybird
09-18-10, 03:43 PM
I don't think that anyone would be surprised if she were to run. Many people on this forum, myself included, said that one of the primary reasons that she quit her job as governor was so that she could spend her time raising her profile in the hopes of running for president. The wisdom of walking off the job before her term expired is dubious, and will certainly come back to bite her if she runs, but it is becoming increasingly clear that this is the intention.
I think it very likely that Obama will be re-elected for a second term. Despite the constant assurances to the contrary, it is pretty clear that Team R is in the midst of an internal power struggle between it's far-right elements and it's (also far right, but ruthlessly pragmatic) neo-conservative leadership. Given that, I think that it is possible that, should Palin run, the leadership would support her, despite the fact that she is a supporter of Tea Party, who the GOP leadership has now turned against. However, I suspect that the party leadership knows that a win against Obama is highly unlikely, and may support Palin knowing that she is expendable.
Sarah Palin is wildly popular with a very small, but very vocal minority. Her campaign will look good at the rallies, and if by some divine intervention she wins her bid for president, then then Team R gets the White House. However, if she loses, Team R finally gets rid of the thorn in it's side that she has become. Moreover, they get through a difficult cycle against an opponent who is an excellent campaigner without sacrificing any of their established A-list talent, priming them for a better run in 2016, by which time the neo-cons will have likely subdued the Tea Party and pulled them back into line.
One should not confuse the possible with the likely, and only that if she were to not only run, but recieve the nomination, I believe the above would be the rationale.
As I said in anothe rthread some days ago, I think the best the Reps could do is to let her function as a ram to damage Obama'S monument at it'S basis with her vitriolic rethoric - but then nominate another, more reasonable, better educated, more intelligent, more eligible caindate in the end. That way the damage to Obama from the Tea Party can be maximised, but the advantage from that being given away by nominating Palin herself. If Palin gets nominated, I am relatively sure that Obama would win next time. If a more reasonable candidate is found, Obama probably will lose. After all that I read it seems that only a not too big minority is attracted by Palin, even amongst Reps, but a very huge majoirty seems to be pissed by Obama.
The Reps do not need to win the next election. All they need to take care of is that they do not hand it carelessly away. Obama - I do not think he has it in his hands next time, like he had last time. His opponents either make a mistake from which he can profit, or they don't - then his fate probably is sealed.
That is my impression from one atlantic away. A choice between Palin (and her likes) and Obama would be the worst scenario I could think of.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703904304575498634115612498.html?m od=rss_Politics_And_Policy
Is America actually ready for a female President?
Or is it more a sign of desperation?
Mike.:hmmm:
Bubblehead1980
09-18-10, 04:51 PM
Is America actually ready for a female President?
Or is it more a sign of desperation?
Mike.:hmmm:
lol prob more ready than for a black President because honestly, Obama has hurt race relations more than helped.Due to his policies and racist behavior in things like Cambridge Police incident, Black Panther case etc White indepedents and even some Democrats have ran away from him.A Colin Powell type wouldve been great for race relations in America.
Under present circumstances, so people expect results, and that after only 20 months to think that all is well, is that self allow themselves to be thrown to the lions, which calls for "balls" and it is not in the current premise,
Aramike
09-18-10, 06:16 PM
Look, I like Palin - she comes off as a very down to earth, extraordinary woman who was thrust into the national political spotlight. Her reasoning seems to be sound and her principles are unwavering.
On the other hand, she quit as AK gov and seems to have not only polarizd the nation politically (but how's that different than anyone, really?) but her own party as well.
I think Palin would do okay, but there are many people who I think could do well as president (Romney comes to mind).
Romney can do the if he gets enough back-up, but much is at stake and who it turns out, there will be no significant deterioration
Torvald Von Mansee
09-18-10, 06:49 PM
Is this setting up as a Palin v. Clinton confrontation? I don't know, but it would be interesting.....wouldn't it?
Watching the debates between those two would be incredibly uncomfortable. Obama would completely pwn her.
Bubblehead1980
09-18-10, 06:57 PM
Romney can do the if he gets enough back-up, but much is at stake and who it turns out, there will be no significant deterioration
Romney is another "fence sitter", perhaps as a VP he would be okay.This guy is good at business but he is no conservative.I believe he did institute mandated healthcare in MA.I believe we would have just another insider fence sitting almost RINO if he were President.Romney is a respectable guy though and would be a good VP choice.
mookiemookie
09-18-10, 07:16 PM
I think Palin would do okay, but there are many people who I think could do well as president (Romney comes to mind).
While I don't agree with him on some key issues, I would consider voting for Romney. He seems to be pragmatic on many things.
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin visits Iowa as star of fundraiser
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4341972/palin-2012-presidential-run/?playlist_id=87485
Update post:September 18, 2010
Zachstar
09-19-10, 12:00 AM
Sarah PLEASE PLEASE OH PLEASE RUN!!!!!!!!!
NOTHING would make 2012 a bigger victory for democrats. We will be able to COMPLETELY define the republican party with the Tea Party and Congressional seats will go blue as the sky. Not to mention Obama wont even have to Campaign to be reelected.
Ah I can dream...
Surely she will run, and it happily for many
Aramike
09-19-10, 02:46 AM
While I don't agree with him on some key issues, I would consider voting for Romney. He seems to be pragmatic on many things.Dude, I'm about to faint. :o:stare::doh:
"Me hit straight ball very much, but me no hit curve ball."
Aramike
09-19-10, 02:55 AM
Sarah PLEASE PLEASE OH PLEASE RUN!!!!!!!!!
NOTHING would make 2012 a bigger victory for democrats. We will be able to COMPLETELY define the republican party with the Tea Party and Congressional seats will go blue as the sky. Not to mention Obama wont even have to Campaign to be reelected.
Ah I can dream...While I disagree with your perception, I must comment that your statement embodies everyone wrong with American politics. You want leaders from your own side to win so much that you'd rather them be challenged only by those you perceive to be the worst of the other side.
Fair enough, I won't hate you for that. Electability is certainly a cause. But your statement continues as an outright dismissal of a very potent movement of the American people.
Your blind faith is sheep-like. You should stick to posting URL's rather than clearly uninformed summaries of the positions of the far-left wing of the Democrat party. Why is it that we consistantly see you post summaries of the beliefs of your ideology but NEVER see anything resembling a logical explanation of why you see those beliefs to be right? Do you even know WHY you affiliate your beliefs with the party you so clearly worship?
Zachstar
09-19-10, 03:04 AM
The republicans refused to toss the Tea Party out. They tried to "attach" them in order to drive votes in. Now the Tea Party has assimilated them like a bunch of borg drones and they worry more about Palin Visits and impeachment hearings than getting the job done.
When the right wing choose to embrace extremism when it was atleast closer to regaining my vote in 2008 has made it clear that they do not stand for the future.
Aramike
09-19-10, 03:18 AM
The republicans refused to toss the Tea Party out.Why should they? They tried to "attach" them in order to drive votes in. I would too, considering that fiscally I share the same ideas.Now the Tea Party has assimilated them like a bunch of borg drones and they worry more about Palin Visits and impeachment hearings than getting the job done.Wait - you fault them for worrying about motivating their base in an election year? Really?When the right wing choose to embrace extremism when it was atleast closer to regaining my vote in 2008 has made it clear that they do not stand for the future.What's extremist? Anything you don't like?
The Tea Party movement is extremely moderate - they're saying "don't spend my money without being accountable to me". What's extremist about that?
Quite frankly the Tea Party is kicking liberal asses because of the way you liberals perceive them. The longer you minimize the movement rather than addressing their concerns, the longer they will continue to rally the people.
Zachstar
09-19-10, 03:22 AM
An entire political group with a high percentage of people who actively think Obama is a Muslim or Not American, find Social Security and Medicare as targetable. Considers candidates who would not lie to Hitler to save Jews or think sending emails full of sexual crap acceptable.
You dont call that extremest? But the tea party and the pubs dont want these idiots out. So they stay and they assimilate and I don't want them anywhere near congress.
Many are missing satisfied with Mr. Obama for the reforms and important decisions have not come into its own, it should be remembered that the 'only' have gone 20 months, and the need for a long time to stability and confidence grows, people want results, and in a turbulent time as you want it to go faster which will not work in practice.
papa_smurf
09-19-10, 04:34 AM
Does the rest of the world want her as US President? If that happens we should get the Iron Lady (Thatcher) back in to show her!:D
Does the rest of the world want her as US President? If that happens we should get the Iron Lady (Thatcher) back in to show her!:D which many politicians lack today,unfortunately
Platapus
09-19-10, 07:28 AM
Rats, I was really holding out for Cynthia McKinney to be the first women president.
Does the rest of the world want her as US President? If that happens we should get the Iron Lady (Thatcher) back in to show her!:D
That's if Thatcher can still remember who she is....:hmmm:
Mike.
Many did not like her, but she was tough and did many good things
SteamWake
09-19-10, 08:54 AM
If nothing else she has gotten really good at yanking the lib's chain. :cool:
Rats, I was really holding out for Cynthia McKinney to be the first women president. Perhaps in another time and place
mookiemookie
09-19-10, 09:10 AM
Dude, I'm about to faint. :o:stare::doh:
"Me hit straight ball very much, but me no hit curve ball."
:rotfl2: "Up yer butt, Jobu!"
mookiemookie, it is possible to get a short brief.for your laughing, it might infect :hmmm:
mookiemookie
09-19-10, 08:58 PM
mookiemookie, it is possible to get a short brief.for your laughing, it might infect :hmmm:
It's a reference to a classic sports movie:
http://www.sethspeaks.net/MajorLeagueMovieBox.jpg
It's a reference to a classic sports movie:
http://www.sethspeaks.net/MajorLeagueMovieBox.jpg but it's been a while since I saw it :yep:
Aramike
09-19-10, 10:09 PM
It's a reference to a classic sports movie:
http://www.sethspeaks.net/MajorLeagueMovieBox.jpgFor sure, one of my favs! Nice catch! :haha::haha:
Bubblehead1980
09-20-10, 04:51 PM
Libtards and their ilk highly underestimate this woman and the discontent with Obama and the political class.Can't wait to see their faces when The Annointed One as Hannity calls him, gets OWNED in 2012.
Sailor Steve
09-20-10, 04:53 PM
Libtards and their ilk...The Annointed One...
And you keep claiming you have independent thought.
:rotfl2:
Bilge_Rat
09-20-10, 05:01 PM
Libtards and their ilk highly underestimate this woman and the discontent with Obama and the political class.Can't wait to see their faces when The Annointed One as Hannity calls him, gets OWNED in 2012.
She could have a chance. Every one under estimated Reagan also. She really has to bring her game up though. One bad interview and she is toast.
A lot depends on Obama though. He will probably pull a Clinton and shift to the right after the mid terms, especially if the Dems lose the House.
Tribesman
09-20-10, 05:03 PM
And you keep claiming you have independent thought.
But its true, he is independant of thought.
Bilge_Rat
09-20-10, 05:21 PM
But its true, he is independant of thought.
No need for that, BH1980 is very right wing, but everyone here is entitled to his opinion.
This would be a very boring forum if we all agreed with each other. :)
Bubblehead1980
09-20-10, 05:46 PM
She could have a chance. Every one under estimated Reagan also. She really has to bring her game up though. One bad interview and she is toast.
A lot depends on Obama though. He will probably pull a Clinton and shift to the right after the mid terms, especially if the Dems lose the House.
Obama is too much of an ideologue to shift, I would be truly shocked if he did esp given his comment about he would rather be a good(in his mind) one term President than a mediocre two termer.
Bubblehead1980
09-20-10, 05:47 PM
But its true, he is independant of thought.
Typical left, go for insults because you have no real response.
I have always said I am a Conservative.However, I do not espouse the party line and if I disagree, I am not quiet about it.
antikristuseke
09-20-10, 05:53 PM
Yet miraculously you seem to mirror the opinion of pretty much every right wing talkinghead on popular media, sure this could be a coincidence, but I doubt it.
Edit: Also, the way you express yourself makes you very easy to dislike.
Ducimus
09-20-10, 05:59 PM
All i'm going to say is I wish McCain had never put her on his ticket. Worst mistake ever!
Aramike
09-20-10, 06:06 PM
All i'm going to say is I wish McCain had never put her on his ticket. Worst mistake ever!McCain being on the ticket himself was the worst mistake ever. Conservatives didn't like him, liberals only like him when he was going against conservative Republicans...who's left to vote for him?
Say what you want about Palin, she has far more appeal to the conservative base than McCain.
Takeda Shingen
09-20-10, 06:26 PM
In honesty, the McCain campaign's problem was that the McCain campaign was really bad at, well, campaigning. His troubles began well before Palin's nomination, although her selection did nothing to help his image with most of the population. The Obama campaign, by contrast, was very slick and on-message. A victory for him was going to be difficult to impossible well before Palin was even a thought.
Anyway, Palin would certainly be embraced by the far-right, but will likely alienate the rest of the country. Since each end of the political spectrum typically make up between 10 and 15 percent of the population, that leaves 85% of the voting populace that won't be able to stand her.
Ducimus
09-20-10, 06:29 PM
Well, I don't care what party a candidate is from. They're all full of crap anyway. What I do care about, is someone who is informed, intelligent, and is capable of doing their research, and formulating a decision based on the factors and criteria involved in whatever the scenario is. Pretty sure that doesn't describe the countries most famous soccer mom from Alaska.
Bubblehead1980
09-20-10, 07:26 PM
Yet miraculously you seem to mirror the opinion of pretty much every right wing talkinghead on popular media, sure this could be a coincidence, but I doubt it.
Edit: Also, the way you express yourself makes you very easy to dislike.
Well your doubt is wrong, I agree with many of the conservative commentators because they are conservatives!! But oh lets try to say so and so just parrots what was said.
Well I am blunt and make no apologies for it.If you don't like it, well here is a nice southern saying for you "no skin off my ass"
Platapus
09-20-10, 07:43 PM
All i'm going to say is I wish McCain had never put her on his ticket. Worst mistake ever!
Well, I can only speak for myself, but this decision was what put me over the edge from being a Republican to being an independent. I don't think I was the only one though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MJCvHMtwE4
Sailor Steve
09-21-10, 12:20 AM
Typical left, go for insults because you have no real response.
Unfortunately that is a very good description of the majority of your posts (ref. "Libtards" et al).
nikimcbee
09-21-10, 12:31 AM
:rotfl2: "Up yer butt, Jobu!"
:har:
Aramike
09-21-10, 12:35 AM
Well, I can only speak for myself, but this decision was what put me over the edge from being a Republican to being an independent. I don't think I was the only one though.Dude, really? It wasn't that McCain was the Republican candidate despite his having a pedigree quite constrasted to Republican values?
As I said, I like Palin, although she's not someone I'd ideally choose to represent me. But to be honest I find it odd how many people use her as a scapegoat for their opinions. The idea that the VICE-presidential candidate was so ruinous to your belief in the party (one as inconsequential as Palin) seems to me to imply that your belief in the party was pretty well shaken to begin with, and therefore that's an odd seat to place the blame on.
Palin was clearly thrust out of her league. I can't blame her for being ill-prepared for the national spotlight (what, did you honestly think she somehow forced her way onto the national stage?). She is a small time politician who seems to genuinely believe in her cause, and for that I give her credit, and to be honest I think we could use a few more of those types. Would I vote for her in a presidential primary? Heck no. I fault her for quitting the governorship and for the fact that she's clearly attempting to capitalize on her newfound fame rather than affect real change.
On the other hand, I would be disingenuous if I said that her entry into the presidential contest of '08 impacted me whatsoever - if it did, my priorities were way screwed well before she got there.
Tribesman
09-21-10, 02:21 AM
Typical left, go for insults because you have no real response
The real response is that you appear devoid of thought and simply parrot the more extreme views of broadcasters and commentators on the wingnut fringe with no care as to how innaccurate the views are, how outright false they are or even how crazy they are.
But it does give entertainment, your rant yesterday about your President and the economy were a classic, it went through innaccurate onto false and then to crazy and had the added touch of hilarity by using a quote that was specific about the US industrial capacity in the 1940s when longterm developments in US industry demonstrate how your claim of investment flow was false.
News' (VIDEO).Sarah Palin spoke with Bill O'Reilly on Wednesday night and advised newly minted Tea Party-backed Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell to stick to Fox News in order to brand herself over the course of her campaign.
"She's gonna have to learn very quickly to dismiss what some of her handlers want. Remember what happened to me in the VP. I used to have to sneak in my phone calls to you guys to say, 'Hey, I'm here,' Palin said. "She's gonna have to dismiss that, go with her gut, get out there, speak to the American people, speak through Fox News, and let the independents who are tuning into you, let them know what it is that she stands for, the principles behind her positions.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/17/sarah-palins-advice-to-ch_n_720805.html
Tribesman
09-21-10, 04:49 AM
"She's gonna have to learn very quickly to dismiss what some of her handlers want. Remember what happened to me in the VP.
Wasn't a large part of the reason why Palin is seen as a joke is because she ignored her handlers and spoke her "mind"
AVGWarhawk
09-21-10, 09:19 AM
Wasn't a large part of the reason why Palin is seen as a joke is because she ignored her handlers and spoke her "mind"
What would one prefer though? Sex, lies and videotape or someone who speaks their mind? :hmmm:
TLAM Strike
09-21-10, 09:23 AM
What would one prefer though? Sex, lies and videotape or someone who speaks their mind? :hmmm:
I would prefer someone who has a thought go through their mind worth listening too.
:03:
AVGWarhawk
09-21-10, 09:46 AM
I would prefer someone who has a thought go through their mind worth listening too.
:03:
That is a entirely new thread!!!!!!
Bilge_Rat
09-21-10, 09:48 AM
Palin did not do well in 2008. I thought she would fade into obscurity, but she has become a major force in the Republican Party, especially this year. Right now, she is the front runner for the nomination in 2012.
Obama has not been doing well and is vulnerable and, as strange as the idea may sound, President Palin in 2013 is no longer as far fetched as it seemed just 6 months ago....
...scary...:o
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4793/deadzone001.jpg
AVGWarhawk
09-21-10, 09:50 AM
Bill Clinton said he would not underestimate her. I think he is correct.
I would prefer someone who has a thought go through their mind worth listening too.
:03: I could hardly put it better than you have done :yep:
Jimbuna
09-21-10, 02:24 PM
What would one prefer though? Sex, lies and videotape or someone who speaks their mind? :hmmm:
Can I have some time to make up my mind?
Perhaps after I've viewed the movies?
Ducimus
09-21-10, 03:10 PM
Well, I can only speak for myself, but this decision was what put me over the edge from being a Republican to being an independent. I don't think I was the only one though.
Dude, really?.
He is not the only one. I was leaning toward McCain up until Palin entered the picture. After that, ... hell no. No way in hell.
I'll be voting for whichever republican runs against Obama, even if I have to hold my nose to do so (I'm a registered Independent, and alway have been).
Bubblehead1980
09-21-10, 03:16 PM
Listen, I am not a Palin supporter, more than likely I will support someone else in the 2012 Primaries.However, barring she says or does something absolutely stupid and out there, I would vote for her over Obama.In the event that occurs, I will write in or mark for another candidate not named Obama.Obama ruined his chances with me.I didn't like or support him but gave him a chance, any fair minded person would do that for any candidate and I honestly did.I approved of his lifting the bad on federal money for stem cell research.However, things like Guantanomo, The Apology Tour, Cop-Gate, Black Pathers, Obamacare, immigration, wack job czars like Van Jones and Mao loving com director(former) Anita Dunn, spending time on obamacare instead of jobs and economy, outrageous wasteful spending etc etc etc Obama could prob never redeem himself, he has just done too much.So could never vote for him.Obama has lost the independent vote and don't see him getting it back.
President Palin would deserve a chance and have a feeling her first two years would be much more in line with what majority of Americans want than Obama's have.
The problem with Palin is that she lacks desirable social skills and there is a problem, she needs to get experience, and not have what it takes to lead one, that big country like U.S.
The problem with Palin is that she lacks desirable social skills and there is a problem, she needs to get experience, and not have what it takes to lead one, that big country like U.S.
Obama's biggest experience was his campaign, frankly. That said she'd be a bad choice IMHO
Aramike
09-21-10, 05:16 PM
He is not the only one. I was leaning toward McCain up until Palin entered the picture. After that, ... hell no. No way in hell.I got that, it still doesn't make sense to me though.
Obama's biggest experience was his campaign, frankly. That said she'd be a bad choice IMHO There is much in this, not being given the length of his trip to the White House is certainly a big experience, and his problems now are the people headaches
Zachstar
09-21-10, 05:44 PM
Whohoo! She put out a video today saying she is basically the leader of the tea party and showing herself as much as possible.
The quitter wants to be nominated again. She does not care that she could sink the republican party by doing it.
Go Sarah! Flood the Republicans with Tea so their boat sinks and we wont have to deal with their fillibusters!
Ducimus
09-21-10, 06:03 PM
I got that, it still doesn't make sense to me though.
I thought the last elections debates made it patently obvious. :rolleyes:
Biden is no rocket-scientist. In fact, he's a moron. VP choice is pretty meaningless, IMO. It's payback, and sometimes a way to payback AND bury someone.
So I could not imagine choosing the worst of the two Pres candidates as spite for choice of VP (someone who does basically nothing at all).
Ducimus
09-21-10, 07:15 PM
VP or otherwise, i would never vote to put some over-christianized, too folksy and ignorant of the world, soccer mom from BF alaska into the white house as a matter of principle. She completely invalided the McCain ticket in my eyes.
She might be smart enough to write a book, but where it counts (running the country, and possibly even "leader of the free world"), I think she'd end up being as dumb as box of rocks and would do as much or more harm then W did. I see no point or bennfit in another village idiot occuping high office.
Aramike
09-21-10, 10:41 PM
I thought the last elections debates made it patently obvious. :rolleyes:Actually, she cleaned Biden's clock in a debate in my opinion (meaning, facts aside, she resonated better with the casual observer). What she struggled with were her media interviews.
Despite that, she was the VP candidate to a terrible PRESIDENTIAL candidate. That the former was what put you over the top is was troubles me. For me, it was the latter.
Bubblehead1980
09-21-10, 11:52 PM
Look my opinions on Obama aside, I can tell you how a true independent should look at it.My father is one and I know how he looks at things.
2012 roles around....
Palin vs Obama.
Is there economy substantially better? Not just for you but has unemployment decreased by 2 points at the minmum.Has the stock market stayed strong mostly? Are banks etc lending again? Is the debt being paid down any?
How is the war in Afghanistan going? Has Obama made anymore racist comments? Has Obama came out on a issue like the Mosque against majority of his employers(the American people) on things like healthcare(because another healthcare fight, the fight to repeal obamacare and repass a decent bill will happen in next two years)
Now, listen to Palin, is she offering opposite, does it sound better for the country? Does she seem much more informed than in 2008 when she went from obscure governor to a major candidate suddenly? Does she offer a solution to the above issues?
Bottom line, give them both a shot and be fair.I am a Conservative but I honestly try to always give candidates a shot.I have said before that I gave Obama a chance during Primary, I didn't like what I heard but he won, I supported McCain because I read Obama's books and did not like what I heard from him on campaign trail.Obama won so I gave him a shot and actually defended him on the stem cell funding issue against fellow conservatives. Then came the storm of issues from Gitmo, Apology Tour, bowing to the Saudi King, CopGate/Beer Summit and finally Obamacare, that was it.The clear defiance of the American people on obamacare and the dirty tricks used to pass that monstrosity really did it for me.Add in the mosque, lollygaggin on jobs etc, outrageous spending etc I can not see myself voting for him.
I know Independents whi did not vote and did for Obama and are unhappy but would prob vote him if economy makes a real improvement and barring anymore nasty PR snafus such as copgate, mosque etc
So an independent, try to set aside your prejudice of Palin and give her a shot once the election comes.
Bubblehead1980
09-21-10, 11:54 PM
Actually, she cleaned Biden's clock in a debate in my opinion (meaning, facts aside, she resonated better with the casual observer). What she struggled with were her media interviews.
Despite that, she was the VP candidate to a terrible PRESIDENTIAL candidate. That the former was what put you over the top is was troubles me. For me, it was the latter.
I agree she did better but her interviews were sub par.Hopefully since she's had time to adjust she will do better.A lot will be riding on this woman, perhaps the Republic.I feel as if Obama has a full eight years, he has nothing to lose and will do his best to bring about his version of American which is far out of synch with the Constitutional Republic we are supposed to be.
Zachstar
09-21-10, 11:58 PM
I agree she did better but her interviews were sub par.Hopefully since she's had time to adjust she will do better.A lot will be riding on this woman, perhaps the Republic.I feel as if Obama has a full eight years, he has nothing to lose and will do his best to bring about his version of American which is far out of synch with the Constitutional Republic we are supposed to be.
You do realize that Obama has almost every advantage going into 2012 right? He can sit back and campaign while Congress stalls itself if things go south in 2010 and cruise to a good victory even against tough republican candidates.
Against Sarah Palin? Will be quite easy to "refudiate" her points. Point out her endorsements of extreme right candidates. etc... EASY victory.
A victory by the sweetness of which he is already aware of, he believes
antikristuseke
09-22-10, 04:00 AM
Bottom line, give them both a shot and be fair.
Just have both shot, probably a better use of time and resources.
Tchocky
09-22-10, 07:50 AM
Actually, she cleaned Biden's clock in a debate in my opinion (meaning, facts aside, she resonated better with the casual observer). Is that a good way to judge, though? Facts aside?
How Palinesque :O:
Bilge_Rat
09-22-10, 09:40 AM
How bad would a Palin presidency be?
Granted she is not an intellectual and has right wing views, but you could say the same about Reagan or Bush jr.
As Governor of Alaska, she did not take kooky or flaky decisions. As a former governor of Alaska, she has more hands on chief executive experience than Obama did when he was elected president.
I am not convinced a Palin-Obama matchup would be a blow out. Palin has turned out to be a smart politician, outmaneuvering other potential Republican candidates and tapping into the Tea Party energy. She has not done or said anything stupid or flaky this year even though she is campaigning in public full time.
I would not underestimate her. I am sure the Obama team is not.
Bubblehead1980
09-22-10, 04:17 PM
How bad would a Palin presidency be?
Granted she is not an intellectual and has right wing views, but you could say the same about Reagan or Bush jr.
As Governor of Alaska, she did not take kooky or flaky decisions. As a former governor of Alaska, she has more hands on chief executive experience than Obama did when he was elected president.
I am not convinced a Palin-Obama matchup would be a blow out. Palin has turned out to be a smart politician, outmaneuvering other potential Republican candidates and tapping into the Tea Party energy. She has not done or said anything stupid or flaky this year even though she is campaigning in public full time.
I would not underestimate her. I am sure the Obama team is not.
That is the thing about her, she is folksy so people assume she is not intelligent.Oh I bet Obama and his people and are being their typical arrogant selves and saying "oh this nuts does not have a chance"
Hillary greatly underestimated Obama, thus the reason she got her ass handed to her in the primaries.
All depends on the mood, if the economy is improved enough or is actually really better, it will be tough but Obama's made a lot of bad moves that sticks with people, esp white independent voters who still decide elections. One thing about Palin, she will take the gloves off and go after him.McShame would not harp on things until the very end like Rev Wright etc bc he was trying to be "nice" bc honestly McCain didnt care if Obama won or not, McCain is almost a Liberal so.
Takeda Shingen
09-22-10, 04:18 PM
All depends on the mood, if the economy is improved enough or is actually really better, it will be tough but Obama's made a lot of bad moves that sticks with people, esp white independent voters who still decide elections. One thing about Palin, she will take the gloves off and go after him.McShame would not harp on things until the very end like Rev Wright etc bc he was trying to be "nice" bc honestly McCain didnt care if Obama won or not, McCain is almost a Liberal so.
What? McCain is not a liberal. Pls refudiate.
mookiemookie
09-22-10, 04:24 PM
What? McCain is not a liberal. Pls refudiate.
:rotfl2:I see what you did there.
Bubblehead1980
09-22-10, 08:17 PM
What? McCain is not a liberal. Pls refudiate.
McCain is a RINO so has a lot of Liberal tendencies, might as well be one.I respect the man for his service but esp after this primary season, I dislike him as a Senator.McCain is dishonest and switched to the right to beat Hayworth, it was not a legitimate switch just a ploy to get elected and the Republicans in AZ fell for it.No doubt this is McCain's last term, he is getting old and may not live to the end of his term or may retire, so he has nothing to lose.I am worried what kind of trouble he will cause on immigration etc.Much how I fear that Obama will be if he gets a second term, we will see his real idea of "change" then, he will have nothing to lose.
LOL@ the refudiate.Def did not do herself any favors with that one.
Takeda Shingen
09-22-10, 08:19 PM
McCain is a RINO so has a lot of Liberal tendencies, might as well be one.I respect the man for his service but esp after this primary season, I dislike him as a Senator.McCain is dishonest and switched to the right to beat Hayworth, it was not a legitimate switch just a ploy to get elected and the Republicans in AZ fell for it.No doubt this is McCain's last term, he is getting old and may not live to the end of his term or may retire, so he has nothing to lose.I am worried what kind of trouble he will cause on immigration etc.Much how I fear that Obama will be if he gets a second term, we will see his real idea of "change" then, he will have nothing to lose.
Well, then I won't bother pointing out that Palin stumped for him in his re-election bid. So much for 'ideals'.
EDIT: Agree on refudiate. If she is ever going to run for anything again, she's going to have to clean up her act: No more random tweeting, typos, off-hand remarks. If she learned anything from the 2008 campaign, it should have been that preparation and discipline are key. However, it appears that this continues to elude her.
Bubblehead1980
09-22-10, 08:21 PM
Well, then I won't bother pointing out that Palin stumped for him in his re-election bid. So much for 'ideals'.
I know she did, I believe she did it out of loyalty.They may have lost but he did bring her onto the scene, gave her the push and they are friends.McCain is a good man but is a RINO and thus I dislike him as a Seantor.However, he is still better than a far left Dem.
Takeda Shingen
09-22-10, 08:27 PM
I know she did, I believe she did it out of loyalty.They may have lost but he did bring her onto the scene, gave her the push and they are friends.McCain is a good man but is a RINO and thus I dislike him as a Seantor.However, he is still better than a far left Dem.
Okay, so can I get you to concede that it is not only the 'RINOs', but also those involed in the Tea Party movement who find their ideals conveniently flexible?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1232207/fullcredits
Aramike
09-22-10, 11:17 PM
Is that a good way to judge, though? Facts aside?
How Palinesque :O:Wait - you think that the opinion of the people is a BAD way to judge? If you're that completely opposed to the democratic process just come out and say so why don't you... :up:
(Tongue in cheek of course)
Like it or not, "facts aside" are how voters make decisions. Acknowledging reality does not mean one doesn't believe it reality needs no improvement.
Aramike
09-22-10, 11:24 PM
You do realize that Obama has almost every advantage going into 2012 right? He can sit back and campaign while Congress stalls itself if things go south in 2010 and cruise to a good victory even against tough republican candidates.
Against Sarah Palin? Will be quite easy to "refudiate" her points. Point out her endorsements of extreme right candidates. etc... EASY victory.I am not positive you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, but rather just spout off whatever position the democrats WISH they were in.
Obama, as of now, is primed to be destroyed in a general election. Even Clinton knew that moderation was key. His only chance rests with a massive Republican landslide in the midterms, which is perhaps a 50/50 chance at best.
The average American believes that Obama has gone too far and has spent far too much money in support of promises he hasn't kept. Noting resonates with the people quite so much as saying "if you do this, that will happen", while "that" never materializes.
Aramike
09-22-10, 11:27 PM
I agree she did better but her interviews were sub par.Hopefully since she's had time to adjust she will do better.A lot will be riding on this woman, perhaps the Republic.I feel as if Obama has a full eight years, he has nothing to lose and will do his best to bring about his version of American which is far out of synch with the Constitutional Republic we are supposed to be.Honestly, if Palin is the Republic's best hope, we're doomed. I like the woman, but I have to be intellectually honest - as far as national politics and committment to an executive's job goes, she's as much an empty (pants)suit as Obama.
Tribesman
09-23-10, 02:13 AM
I like the woman, but I have to be intellectually honest
Intellectually honest:har::har::har::har::har::har:
The man that calls a clarification an apology and maintains a position that only a junkie wingnut still maintains is corrrect.
The Republican National Committee is paying off some of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's sizable legal fees dating back to the 2008 presidential campaign in exchange for her help raising money for the financially strapped RNC during the campaign season, The Washington Times has learned.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/23/rnc-pays-palin-legal-bills-exchange-help/
Note:Published September 23, 2010
Bubblehead1980
09-23-10, 04:19 PM
Honestly, if Palin is the Republic's best hope, we're doomed. I like the woman, but I have to be intellectually honest - as far as national politics and committment to an executive's job goes, she's as much an empty (pants)suit as Obama.
I believe you have misjudged her as I once did.In 2008 she was the virtually unknown Governor of Alaska who was suddenly thrust onto the national stage during a historic election.As of now I am sure I will support someone else in the Primary but I do believe in being fair so will give her a chance.Having said that, prefer her over BHO anyday.
Aramike
09-23-10, 04:53 PM
I believe you have misjudged her as I once did.In 2008 she was the virtually unknown Governor of Alaska who was suddenly thrust onto the national stage during a historic election.As of now I am sure I will support someone else in the Primary but I do believe in being fair so will give her a chance.Having said that, prefer her over BHO anyday.I would've been more willing to give her a chance if she ever discussed a comprehensive view of domestic and foreign affairs AND finished her term in Alaska. Instead she quit ostensibly due to legal issues but she hasn't hesitated to capitalize on her newfound fame. This leads me to believe that Mrs. Palin likes the limelight and the benefits that come with it far more than attacking the challenges posed by leadership.
Don't get me wrong - I don't fault anyone for pursuing success, fame, money, etc. I'd just prefer to not have a president who prioritizes those things over leadership.
Former Alaska GOP Gov. Sarah Palin gave her strongest indication yet that she may run for president Wednesday night, saying she would jump into the race if “nobody else were to step up” with the proposals she wants to see.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42604.html
Note:Updated: 9/24/10 4:56 AM
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