Ground Zero Imam has links to Radical Muslim 9/11 "truther"? BIG SHOCK!

[Bubblehead1980]

A radical muslim 9/11 "truther" is an associate of the Ground Zero Imam? BIG SHOCK! :har:




http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/imam_pal_is_nut_gPPtzFWEtyaUlE3u4P4ckI

[Platapus]

A founding member of an organization run by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the driving force behind the planned mosque near Ground Zero, claims that the 9/11 attacks were an "inside job" and that Muslims have been made scapegoats, The Post has learned.

So a guy used to be a member of the same organization as the guy who wants to build a community center has a nutter opinion about 911.


I am nonplussed. :nope:

[JU_88]

Well speaking for myself regarding 9/11....

Indeed some of the 'truthers' are nutters, the 'hologram planes' theories are especially silly'. :haha:

But that said - A few of them, particularly the structural engineers, and firemen (who were actually there) do raise some very good questions.

To this day I'd love to know why all the WTC steel was hauled of and melted down before it could be examined, its no laughing matter that the pancake collapes 'theory' is still a FREAKIN 'theory' because is was never actually forensically proven! :nope:
And I hope to god that WTC 7 did collapes from fires (when pushed FEMA said 'they dont know') because if it didnt? It sure paints a very ugly picture indeed.

If there had been a proper investigation you guys might have avoided alot of these 911 conspiricy theorys.
Trust me I WANT to belive the offical story I really do! but its really not all that easy to swallow when much of it is based on assumption in it self.

Thats all.

[TLAM Strike]

If there had been a proper investigation there might not be any damn 911 conspiricy theorys.

I doubt that, investigations didn't put and end to JFK or Apollo 11 or Holocaust conspiracies. ;)

[geetrue]

This is no surprise ...

What has been kept secret in darkness is now out into the light.

Light shines and darkness flees to become just a shadow:know:

[Capt. Morgan]

Building an Islamic cultural center 2 blocks from ground zero is about as good an idea as announcing an international Burn-a-Qur'an day.

Some people want war.

[tater]

Truthers are idiots. There are a lot of them out there. All idiots. The "muslims didn't do it" thing is quite popular in the muslim world.

[mookiemookie]

Reminds me of: The Onion: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories "Ridiculous," al Qaeda says. (http://www.theonion.com/video/911-conspiracy-theories-ridiculous-al-qaeda-says,14222/)

[krashkart]

The towers and WTC 7 could not have collapsed without controlled demolition place from the 'inside.' "

Yeah, and I'm a chick magnet. :har:

[Bubblehead1980]

Truthers are idiots. There are a lot of them out there. All idiots. The "muslims didn't do it" thing is quite popular in the muslim world.

Because Muslims always want to play the victim card

[gimpy117]

I have no doubt that those towers came down because they were hit by a 757.
the thing i have question about is, why did the administration do nothing, even when warned that there was an attack being planned in the US? We may never know if it was just the government dropping the ball, or if it was meant to happen, for an excuse to go into iraq.

[JU_88]

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Yeah, and I'm a chick magnet. :har:
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I wouldnt be quite so dismissive.

In reality its anybodys guess - as nothing has been proven either way, all the evidence (the steel beams & debris) was carted off and destroyed with out any forensic examination.

Is it not standard practice to investigate and Prove exactly how it collapsed, if nothing else
it could help architects engineers to improve building designs in future!

All we have is an unproven offical story based on assumption (along with an inconclusive 9/11 commission report), and on the flip side a bunch of outlandish conspiricy theories involving the 'power elite & 'NWO' and god knows what else. :doh:
I have read up on both and I actually cant decide which of the two is least credible. :nope:

But I can understand why some people want 9/11 to be re-investigated.
the simple reason being it wasnt really investigated properly to begin with.
So I wouldnt make any assumptions about anything unless there is actual proof.

But each to his own....

[Rilder]

I'm still of the belief that Fox News is behind 9/11. IT ALL MAKES SENSE.

[Platapus]

I have no doubt that those towers came down because they were hit by a 757.
the thing i have question about is, why did the administration do nothing, even when warned that there was an attack being planned in the US? We may never know if it was just the government dropping the ball, or if it was meant to happen, for an excuse to go into iraq.

Because there was no warning that terrorists would hijack four airliners and crash them in to the WTC/Pentagon/? on the morning of 11 Sep 01. If we did have such information, we would have taken action.

Getting information that AQ is intending on hijacking airliners *sometime* *someplace* and will attempt *something* is not actionable intelligence.

What would have happened if President Bush had grounded all air traffic for the entire month of September, 2001 (even if he could narrow down the time of the attack to a specific month). Could you imagine the heat he would have taken. And I suppose the President is going to stand up and say "but but but, I thought there might be an attack, so I grounded all air traffic just to be safe". Good by Mr. President.

It is also important to remember that we had "solid intelligence" that AQ was planning on hijacking airliner(s) in July 2001. Very solid intelligence (you can read about it in the 911 report)... but guess what? Nothing happened. Solid intelligence, but nothing happened. Feces eventuates.

Intelligence does not work like on NCIS or in the movie Peacekeeper where we get all the information, in plenty of time where we can draw the right picture that happens to prevent an attack just in time for the commercial. :nope:

What people don't realize is that the intel world was not quiet except for this vague report. There were many many similar reports and data that needed to be sifted through. Were mistakes made, yeah :yep: But we learned and are still learning and we are trying to fix the problems. Are we perfect? Not even close. :nope:

You wanna have an intelligence simulator we can all play with? Wanna experience what our intel people live with every single day of their lives? Play this game:

Take Monday's newspaper and read all the want ads. Find the person selling stolen goods. Oh and on Tuesday, you have a new set of want ads to read... better hurry because on Wednesday more data. Then comes Thursday. Hope you are keeping up. Oh and you better not miss the person who only put an ad in Monday's paper. And if you pick the wrong person your career is over.

That's what intel is like. It is not like NCIS or the movies. :nope: Our men and women working intel are doing the best they can with a fire hose of data every single day. :yep:

There are many things President Bush did/did not do after 911 that I did not like. Before 911, the worst you can say is that he ignored (but he really didn't) a rather vague report that something bad was going to happen someplace at sometime involving airplanes.

What really could he have done?