Banned from US for Email..

[jumpy]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100913/tuk-teen-banned-from-us-for-barracking-o-45dbed5.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-11296303

lol

'Sticks and stones' anyone?

Is this an appropriate response, or just a demonstration of how uptight the white house is? (I'm certain our last PM got a lot more abusive emails from home and abroad :D)

Is this some kind of Zero tolerance policy, worthy of time and money with your police/fbi etc and out coppers here, just to make a point (what point exactly?) regarding some mouthy teenager?

What do you guys think about it?

[Seth8530]

Umm wow lol, thats really stupid ^_^

[The Third Man]

I saw this yesterday. I have been called the same name often. Though I'm not President I certainly wouldn't be so petty as to resort to making the guy persona non grata, if I was President..

It shows a certain insecurity, if not lowering the presidency to level which it shouldn't be.

It is shamefull. And is why the buyers remorse is so high when it comes to Barack H. Obama.

[Gerald]

:O:

[Bilge_Rat]

It is shamefull. And is why the buyers remorse is so high when it comes to Barack H. Obama.

They would have done the same for any President.

The kid was stupid and got what he deserved. You are going to send threatening emails to the President of the United States and expect no reaction?

Obama gets 30 death threats a day, more than any other President. The Secret Service can't afford to take chances.

[AngusJS]

I saw this yesterday. I have been called the same name often. Though I'm not President I certainly wouldn't be so petty as to resort to making the guy persona non grata, if I was President..

It shows a certain insecurity, if not lowering the presidency to level which it shouldn't be.

It is shamefull. And is why the buyers remorse is so high when it comes to Barack H. Obama.I'm sure deciding what to do with this kid was #1 on Obama's agenda this week. It's not like HS and the FBI handled it by themselves or anything. :roll:

Bedfordshire police, who then visited Luke, said the e-mail was full of abusive and threatening language.You can call the president a prick all you want. You can't threaten him.

[JU_88]

17 years old, you'd think he'd have better things to do at that age.
The guy is an idiot.

[tater]

They would have done the same for any President.

The kid was stupid and got what he deserved. You are going to send threatening emails to the President of the United States and expect no reaction?

Obama gets 30 death threats a day, more than any other President. The Secret Service can't afford to take chances.

This.

You don't make jokes about bombs in airports, and you don't piss off the Secret Service.

[XabbaRus]

They would have done the same for any President.

The kid was stupid and got what he deserved. You are going to send threatening emails to the President of the United States and expect no reaction?

Obama gets 30 death threats a day, more than any other President. The Secret Service can't afford to take chances.


Really a 17 year old kid who is being stupid. Like Jumpy said our previous PM more than likely got a hell of a lot more abusive e-mails.

I think it is OTT. But then again he is the US president.

[The Third Man]

You can call the president a prick all you want. You can't threaten him.

Was a 17 yo, living in Britain, with his parents, with no income of his own, in a position to carryout any threat against Obama? I think not.

Placed on a no-fly list would have stopped him if he was in the position.

[jumpy]

Would have been interesting to read the said email... could have corrected his grammar perhaps hehe - With the level of literacy here in the UK, I'm surprised any of it was well written enough for you guys over the pond to set the ball rolling for a response; even if it was only to say 'your name's not down, you're not comin' in.' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjES-j7lptc)

:rock: :DL

[DarkFish]

Am I the only one who finds this punishment a bit excessive? There are more 17y olds who do stupid things.


As The Third Man says, there is no way he could have possibly done whatever he threatened Obama with (I'm very curious as to what exactly he wrote). So why does he get banned, while if I wrote a threatening letter to a random powerless American, with 99% certainty I wouldn't?

[Castout]

I started an online contact with one Singaporean person through my blog and he claimed to have been suffering from psychological abuses and psy warfare from his own government(no it wasn't PothePanda).

The thing is he never responded to my advice and counsel by simply ignoring them and proceeded to write whatever he wanted basically saying how terrified he was.

Then he sent lots of emails to lots of organization including the white house, US president email and US homeland security . . . . .asking for asylum.
I received the homeland security reply since my email was on the carbon copy field among the many other mostly organizations and news sites.

By this time I suspected he wasn't a genuine case since he never listened to anything I said. I asked him to prove what he was by coming as instructed by the homeland security to the US soil to begin applying for asylum. He told me he didn't have the money and when told to borrow them from family and relatives he said nobody was willing. Fine I can accept that but in subsequent letter he told me that he feared of flying too that he feared he might have anxiety attacks when flying :o

This dumb bloke is obviously only trying to make a fuzz about a supposed ordeal that he claimed to be suffering but in my opinion he looked more likely a smoke screen attempt to discredit other genuine cases. He'll end up in the Mental health institution as planned and thus discrediting whatever he said and in the process discrediting future genuine victims as well past victims like myself :shifty:

Come on a person who fear for his well being due to government actions and wished for an asylum can't overcome fear of flying getting out of the country?!!:haha:

The connection to this thread is
In most email response to him I carbon copied the homeland security email to let let them read this man response.
Hope I won't be banned from US all my life :D

As for the British kid,
I think the kid must be lying that he didn't remember anything that he wrote but the ban is a bit over the edge as it's a lifetime ban. I mean a kid is a kid. But a sweet letter perhaps in some years time will probably fix this if he's found sincere.

[TLAM Strike]

Just imagine if they kicked out all the Americans who have said nasty things about Obama! We lose 3/4 of the population! :D

[Castout]

Just imagine if they kicked out all the Americans who have said nasty things about Obama! We lose 3/4 of the population! :D

But they didn't send hate email to the white house :03:

[TLAM Strike]

But they didn't send hate email to the white house :03:
Not everyone in the US knows how to use a computer... and not everyone can write a real letter... the ones that can do both go work for Fox News... :O:

[Castout]

Not everyone in the US knows how to use a computer... and not everyone can write a real letter... the ones that can do both go work for Fox News... :O:

:haha:

[Platapus]

First of all, I seriously doubt that President Obama made this decision.

Second, the government takes threats against our President pretty seriously and they should.

Banning him from entering the country sounds more like a State Department decision. I think that is a bit harsh, but then we don't know what the threats were. I would imagine that if he did come in to our country he might have company in the form of a tail and if he is really a threat he might find himself invited to "The 400" club. :yep:

[Castout]

First of all, I seriously doubt that President Obama made this decision.

Second, the government takes threats against our President pretty seriously and they should.




Yeah I too doubt it was Obama who made the decision. I don't think he even read the email.

[Jimbuna]

So what's the chances of the next POTUS taking the opportunity of some positive media coverage and granting him a presidential pardon? :DL

[Bilge_Rat]

A lifetime ban may seem excessive, but is actually the only appropriate response.

First of all, remember that only US citizens have a constitutionally garanteed right to enter US territory. For everyone else, it is a privilege which can be denied at any time. There are hundreds of millions of persons around the world who will never, ever be let in to the USA because of where they were born.

Now lets look at it from the US government's point of view. We don't know what the email said but we can assume it was serious enough to pique the interest of the Secret Service. The White House receives thousands of emails every day criticizing President Obama's policies. The WH staff can tell the difference between venting and potential threat.

From the Secret Service's point of view, you have to wonder about the mental stability of a foreigner who sends a threatening email to the President. His age means nothing. Omar Khadr is presently on trial in Guantanamo for a murder he is alleged to have committed when he was 15. Many suicide bombers are teenagers. From the Secret service's point of view, the solution is simple. He may or may not be a threat, but why take a chance. They are overworked and understaffed as is. It is easier to just ban him for life.

Now, let's assume a lifetime ban is excessive and that a stern warning, a 1 year or 5 year ban may be more appropriate, the question becomes who makes the decision? The US is governed by the rule of law and there would have to be a tribunal set up with an arbitrator or administrative judge to make the decision. Investigators would have to be pulled from the Secret Service or INS to investigate the facts. A prosecutor would have to present the evidence, all funded by the US taxpayer.

If you go that route, it would also mean that a foreigner who sends a threatening email to the President would have more rights than the hundreds of millions of persons who happen to be living in the wrong country. That is not exactly the kind of message you want to send to all the crazies out there.

So we are back to square one. You are foreigner who wants to threaten the President of the USA? fine, but don't expect to ever be allowed on US soil. If you think that is harsh, try threatening the President of Russia or China and see how they react.

[Tribesman]

A lifetime ban may seem excessive, but is actually the only appropriate response.

First of all, remember that only US citizens have a constitutionally garanteed right to enter US territory. For everyone else, it is a privilege which can be denied at any time. There are hundreds of millions of persons around the world who will never, ever be let in to the USA because of where they were born.

Yep, I have seen people banned from entering the US for all sorts of little insignificant reasons, making threats isn't a little reason so the idiot should be grateful he wasn't prosecuted as well as being banned.

[Bilge_Rat]

Yep, I have seen people banned from entering the US for all sorts of little insignificant reasons, making threats isn't a little reason so the idiot should be grateful he wasn't prosecuted as well as being banned.

Tribesman, we are in total agreement for once. :o


...maybe I should buy a lottery ticket...:arrgh!:

[STEED]

Yahoo news
Luke Angel was reprimanded by police on both sides of the Atlantic after firing off a drunken message to the White House calling the president a "p****".

Assuming thats all he said, why the over top reaction? :doh:

[Platapus]

Assuming thats all he said, why the over top reaction? :doh:

I only worked with the USSS for a very short time (TDY). I don't think they would react that way if this is the only thing the E-mail contained.