Proof!!

[JokerOfFate]

Ha-ha,Ok I went after the Revenge for about the last 5 hours or so and I sunk her using only my deck(and flak) but this is stock, a friend of mine is borrowing my laptop so I only have stock but will try with GWX once I get it back.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2803/sh3img13920100714514.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/sh3img13920100714514.jpg/)
I just disabled his guns and ship, moving in.

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2640/sh3img13920100919297.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/i/sh3img13920100919297.jpg/)

Taking out small guns with flak

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3471/sh3img13920100167260.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/sh3img13920100167260.jpg/)
He starts to sink.

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2346/sh3img139201002450287.jpg (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/sh3img139201002450287.jpg/)
Going going.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5003/sh3img13920100294998.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/sh3img13920100294998.jpg/)
He fixed one of the big guns fire it right at me hit the command room but the he sunk.

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9150/sh3img13920100315437.jpg (http://img251.imageshack.us/i/sh3img13920100315437.jpg/)

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5544/sh3img13920100324404.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7161/sh3img139201003219778.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/i/sh3img139201003219778.jpg/)

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/918/sh3img139201003236699.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/sh3img139201003236699.jpg/)

OK there you go, now for GWX :woot:will keep updated

[Sailor Steve]

Okay, so you've proven it's a game, and that it works like a game, and that you can beat the game. I don't see what the big deal is; it's just like the guys who sink a million tons. I don't play it to beat it, I play it to recreate the history.

But that's just me.

[JokerOfFate]

Yeah well I like a challenge, besides thats only stock .

[K-61]

Okay, so you've proven it's a game, and that it works like a game, and that you can beat the game. I don't see what the big deal is; it's just like the guys who sink a million tons. I don't play it to beat it, I play it to recreate the history.

But that's just me.

Amen, brother!

[timmy41]

I see a torpedo hit

[nemo7]

There's NO proof here. Once and for all, stock or not stock YOU CAN'T BRING DOWN REVENGE (OR EVEN A DD) IN A RUNNING GUNFIGHT! Do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor matey: stop insisting on insisting please...:nope:

[unterseemann]

Better: stop insisting on posting...thx

[JokerOfFate]

Sailor Steve I'm not trying to beat the game, what I'm trying to do is clear my name on here.

nemo7 This is a game and games have a limit to how much they can imitate real life, I know that no Uboat would stand a chance against
a Destroyer or a battleship in real life, but please don't drag my name though the mud because a real deck gun can't sink a virtual battleship.

timmy41 I don't have any damage mods on this so every impact looks the same, besides I had the escorts to worry about.

[ediko]

How did you manage that? Oh no wait I minute I don't want to know. Could you post a video next time when you try it with GWX? Could be fun to watch.

[timmy41]

timmy41 I don't have any damage mods on this so every impact looks the same, besides I had the escorts to worry about.
I don't have any damage mods either, and only torp impacts look like that. If the 88 impacts looked like that too, then one would see such impacts all over the boat, unless of course if that never happened. Also, under what you claim, flak impacts would look like that to.
Just going by what you said and the evidence you presented.

[Sailor Steve]

Sailor Steve I'm not trying to beat the game, what I'm trying to do is clear my name on here.
No, what you're doing is bragging about how wonderful you are at it. Nobody really cares about that here. We like to discuss the game itself and what we can do to make the experience more real.

You're welcome to say anything you want (as long as it's clean), but if you insist on making silly claims you should expect to be challenged on it. And what's silly isn't that you claim to have done it, or whether you did or didn't do it, but that anyone would want to do it at all. If you did do it, then all you did is show what's wrong with the game.

[JokerOfFate]

"No, what you're doing is bragging about how wonderful you are at it. Nobody really cares about that here. We like to discuss the game itself and what we can do to make the experience more real."

Well I'm sorry it came out that way, but some people here asked for proof so I got some, I love the fact you guys are trying to make it more real and maybe pointing out this is possible may help the game become even more real.

ediko thats what I have to do I can't take screen shots, but I can't get the sound to record so.

[Svendog]

And, it's She!

[Madox58]

OOPS!
Thought I was in the SH5 threads there for a moment.
Pardon me.
:salute:

[nemo7]

OOPS!
Thought I was in the SH5 threads there for a moment.
Pardon me.
:salute:
:har:

[stoneys-nutz]

OOPS!
Thought I was in the SH5 threads there for a moment.
Pardon me.
:salute:

Me too.
:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

This thread will not have a happy ending. :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

[danlisa]

OOPS!
Thought I was in the SH5 threads there for a moment.
Pardon me.
:salute:

:har:

Like a moth to a flame.....:03: (or a fly around sh*t)

There's NO proof here. Once and for all, stock or not stock YOU CAN'T BRING DOWN REVENGE (OR EVEN A DD) IN A RUNNING GUNFIGHT! Do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor matey: stop insisting on insisting please...:nope:

While I have no interest in proof or how people choose to play their game, I feel the need to correct you on this. You can quite easily sink a BB (and any other ship) in the stock version of SH3 using just a Deck Gun. The shells were overpowered and the damage zones for nearly every vessel were, for want of a better word, f*cked.

Why do you think Deck Gun ammo and use was such a discussed area (ah memories :) ) and why do you think the very first supermods totally remastered all the damage zones in the game.

So, by all means continue to rape the OP for bragging etc but don't base your reasoning on a falsehood.

[nemo7]

While I have no interest in proof or how people choose to play their game, I feel the need to correct you on this. You can quite easily sink a BB (and any other ship) in the stock version of SH3 using just a Deck Gun. The shells were overpowered and the damage zones for nearly every vessel were, for want of a better word, f*cked.

Why do you think Deck Gun ammo and use was such a discussed area (ah memories :) ) and why do you think the very first supermods totally remastered all the damage zones in the game.

So, by all means continue to rape the OP for bragging etc but don't base your reasoning on a falsehood.

I stand corrected...:yep:

[Jimbuna]

:har:

Like a moth to a flame.....:03: (or a fly around sh*t)



While I have no interest in proof or how people choose to play their game, I feel the need to correct you on this. You can quite easily sink a BB (and any other ship) in the stock version of SH3 using just a Deck Gun. The shells were overpowered and the damage zones for nearly every vessel were, for want of a better word, f*cked.

Why do you think Deck Gun ammo and use was such a discussed area (ah memories :) ) and why do you think the very first supermods totally remastered all the damage zones in the game.

So, by all means continue to rape the OP for bragging etc but don't base your reasoning on a falsehood.

Precisely.

[STEED]

You can quite easily sink a BB in the stock version of SH3 using just a Deck Gun.

Crud! :o

I never did, back in those good old days when stock was all you got. :damn:

Are well....:haha:

[VONHARRIS]

There is no chance to sink a BB with just a 88mm deck gun. A single shot of the 16 in guns of this monster will tear the sub apart even in the stock version not to mention with GWX. There , and at this close range your sub will be filled with 16in holes and you will end up as fish food. I have never tried this even with stock version only. It must have been a bug there.
Amazing : Mexican stand off between a sub and a BB! Wow!!

[K-61]

Von Harris, welcome to SubSim. Recognize me?

[JokerOfFate]

I disabled him at long range then closed in and GWX makes it easier you're weaker but so is he.

Svendog I use a gender code, Warships are male and merchants are female

[longam]

Gawd, those graphics are terrible. :O:

[JokerOfFate]

"So, by all means continue to rape the OP for bragging etc but don't base your reasoning on a falsehood."

I'm not bragging, I said about it and people asked for proof so here we are. To be honest I don't want to keep repeating this either so I'll gladly drop it if everyone else will.

[david-dutch]

I just disabled his guns and ship, moving in.

Taking out small guns with flak


I thought it was impossible to destroy enemy ship guns in sh3/4. Is that just the case for merchants or did I misunderstand something?

[JokerOfFate]

On detroyers and merchants you can.
But on Battleships you can only temp. disable them

[VONHARRIS]

Hello K - 61 Yes , I recognized you.

[david-dutch]

On detroyers and merchants you can.
But on Battleships you can only temp. disable them

Ah, I see. I think I'll maintain my usual stance of caution in the presence of armed ships regardless - I've made it to mid-41 so far. Thanks

[Tessa]

There is no chance to sink a BB with just a 88mm deck gun. A single shot of the 16 in guns of this monster will tear the sub apart even in the stock version not to mention with GWX. There , and at this close range your sub will be filled with 16in holes and you will end up as fish food. I have never tried this even with stock version only. It must have been a bug there.
Amazing : Mexican stand off between a sub and a BB! Wow!!

The 16 inch guns typically have very poor aim, haven't been hit by one in a situation where I was surfaced near a battleship. Its all the small faster ones that have near machine gun speed that tear your boat apart 99% of the time.

[Sailor Steve]

The 16 inch guns typically have very poor aim, haven't been hit by one in a situation where I was surfaced near a battleship. Its all the small faster ones that have near machine gun speed that tear your boat apart 99% of the time.
As it was in real life. They wouldn't waste a shell that expensive on a submarine.

[fastfed]

As it was in real life. They wouldn't waste a shell that expensive on a submarine.


Highly doubt that.. I don't even know if the situation ever happened..
But I will take a bet that, during WW2 if a Battle ship saw a submarine, it would take the shot! with all guns!

[K-61]

The 16 inch guns typically have very poor aim, haven't been hit by one in a situation where I was surfaced near a battleship. Its all the small faster ones that have near machine gun speed that tear your boat apart 99% of the time.

Tell me about it! I got torn up by one before I even had time to crash dive. I was surfaced in murky weather and "bumped" into it. For details see my thread, "I got killed by a BB." Battleships have guns of different calibers; those 16 inchers are reserved for targets that need them. A 4 inch gun is perfectly adequate for turning a U-boat into a lump of scrap metal sitting on the seafloor.

Edit: I am highly amused by my new "Stinking drunk in Trinidad" avatar, as in real life I do not drink.

[JokerOfFate]

I agree with fastfed on this one, Uboats were feared by all ships and every navy hated them due to the amount of lives lost to them.

[K-61]

I agree with fastfed on this one, Uboats were feared by all ships and every navy hated them due to the amount of lives lost to them.

Agreed. Escorts and merchantmen took every opportunity to ram one when spotted. This was both emotional and practical. Who wouldn't want to ram one of those elusive ship killers? At the same time, ramming a surfaced or broached U-boat was practical as it might dive again at any time. Ramming was a very effective tactic and any damage incurred by he ramming vessel was considered worth it. But at the end of the episode, cooler heads usually prevailed and efforts were made to rescue survivors. But not always.

[Sailor Steve]

Highly doubt that.. I don't even know if the situation ever happened..
But I will take a bet that, during WW2 if a Battle ship saw a submarine, it would take the shot! with all guns!
And you would lose that bet. A battleship is armed with 'secondary' batteries specifically to protect them from destroyers and the like. They have a very limited amount of large shells, and they didn't waste them on small targets. An Iowa class battleship could fire the 16" guns at a rate of about two per minute, and they carried 20 5" guns that could fire about 10 shells per minute, would be just as effective against a small target and a whole lot cheaper. It would be like your u-boat shooting at a guy swimming in the water with your deck gun.

There was one exception - USS Iowa and New Jersey tried to sink the Japanese destroyer Nowaki with their 16" guns, but the range was in excess of 35,000 yards, far outside the range of the 5" guns. Also, they didn't score a single hit.

[reignofdeath]

And you would lose that bet. A battleship is armed with 'secondary' batteries specifically to protect them from destroyers and the like. They have a very limited amount of large shells, and they didn't waste them on small targets. An Iowa class battleship could fire the 16" guns at a rate of about two per minute, and they carried 20 5" guns that could fire about 10 shells per minute, would be just as effective against a small target and a whole lot cheaper. It would be like your u-boat shooting at a guy swimming in the water with your deck gun.

There was one exception - USS Iowa and New Jersey tried to sink the Japanese destroyer Nowaki with their 16" guns, but the range was in excess of 35,000 yards, far outside the range of the 5" guns. Also, they didn't score a single hit.

I always saw any battleships role as pure unadulturated power and range. Sticking to the motto of reaching out and touching some one before they can come close to you.. but with a ton more firepower.

[desirableroasted]

USS Iowa and New Jersey tried to sink the Japanese destroyer Nowaki with their 16" guns, but the range was in excess of 35,000 yards, far outside the range of the 5" guns. Also, they didn't score a single hit.

I've been shot at by BB's three times in the game (three stupid mistakes that I shall not repeat), twice by Hood, once by Nelson. While I wasn't a detached observer, it seems to me that while they turned their big guns to bear, they didn't shoot them. Just the small stuff (which is big enough).

So I wonder if they ever shoot them in the game? I know they wouldn't in real life.

[Tessa]

And you would lose that bet. A battleship is armed with 'secondary' batteries specifically to protect them from destroyers and the like. They have a very limited amount of large shells, and they didn't waste them on small targets. An Iowa class battleship could fire the 16" guns at a rate of about two per minute, and they carried 20 5" guns that could fire about 10 shells per minute, would be just as effective against a small target and a whole lot cheaper. It would be like your u-boat shooting at a guy swimming in the water with your deck gun.

There was one exception - USS Iowa and New Jersey tried to sink the Japanese destroyer Nowaki with their 16" guns, but the range was in excess of 35,000 yards, far outside the range of the 5" guns. Also, they didn't score a single hit.


Shooting a shell the size of a Volkswagen at a U-Boat would have been extreme massive overkill. Only kind of scenario that I could think that any ship captain might even think about using all batteries is if one of the original u-boat aces had stayed in the war for the duration of the war or far into the war and (irl) racked up 500,000 tons or more, and then only if he didn't something like Von Ricktofen and paint his submarine red. Unless the target was something of massively high value, 5" guns are plenty nasty enough to euthanize your crew. Heck, even the flak guns would've probably been enough if they could aim them at a negative camber (don't think they're able to though?).

[Jimbuna]

I've been shot at by BB's three times in the game (three stupid mistakes that I shall not repeat), twice by Hood, once by Nelson. While I wasn't a detached observer, it seems to me that while they turned their big guns to bear, they didn't shoot them. Just the small stuff (which is big enough).

So I wonder if they ever shoot them in the game? I know they wouldn't in real life.

They certainly do ingame but as Steve has already correctly stated, it would be extremely rare in RL unless they were engaging something in the region of a cruiser or bigger.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/586/sh32008052918355032.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/sh32008052918355032.jpg/)
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9416/sh32008053016395492.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/sh32008053016395492.jpg/)
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2446/sh32008053016401223.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/sh32008053016401223.jpg/)

[desirableroasted]

They certainly do ingame ...

Are they modeled correctly? Because I think a real-life BB shell would snap a boat in two.

[Jimbuna]

Are they modeled correctly? Because I think a real-life BB shell would snap a boat in two.


We work with what we've got....most of the damage files were altered in an earlier Grey Woves or GWX version and it was carried over from there.

To be precise as per RL would need a mammoth/herculean effort which IMO goes far beyond what we can expect from a game 5 or more year old.

[ediko]

Are they modeled correctly? Because I think a real-life BB shell would snap a boat in two.

Think of it this way. They certainly wouldn't hit a uboat, it would be extremely lucky if they even landed somewhere near of it and the uboat would be damage by the splash. Secondly they wouldn't fire those big guns at you anyway as already stated here. Why bother and rework those damage models anyway? Now I'm interested if the battleship mod does that :hmmm:

[desirableroasted]

We work with what we've got....most of the damage files were altered in an earlier Grey Woves or GWX version and it was carried over from there.

To be precise as per RL would need a mammoth/herculean effort which IMO goes far beyond what we can expect from a game 5 or more year old.

I was more wondering how accurate the modeling is, not suggesting that it could or should be better than it is.

I am always amazed and grateful for what the modders have done.

[Gerald]

There was one exception - USS Iowa and New Jersey tried to sink the Japanese destroyer Nowaki with their 16" guns, but the range was in excess of 35,000 yards, far outside the range of the 5" guns. Also, they didn't score a single hit.[/QUOTE] :hmmm:

[krashkart]

I'll quip here right quick and be off:

I have taken a Renown class down at long range with my deck gun. No pics to prove it as I was actually pretty stunned that the other ships couldn't see me. Anyway, from a long distance of say 6.5km or more I've been able to engage and sink targets in clear weather without being spotted. So it's just a matter of plinking away at them until they finally burst into flames and sink, or the ammo magazine runs dry.

The thing about simulations is that they are... simulations. Imperfect representations of reality, really. So it might not be too unusual to disable the main turrets on a battleship and proceed to chew her to bits in this game, as long as our Uboat stays outside a certain range and manages to put enough projectiles directly on target. Either of those two criteria are easily met under the right circumstances (no air cover, no other patrols around, good marksmanship skillage).

:salute:

[Sailor Steve]

There is a difference between playing the game and taking advantage of the things the designers got wrong. In this case I'm guessing it never occured to them that anyone would do something that "gamey".

[krashkart]

Yeah, I see that point as well. I'm one of those that likes to exploit a singleplayer game to my advantage just for the heck of it. But the more I engross myself with the knowledge here the less I take advantage of the quirks in the engine. I'm tempted to start out with a IIa on my next career and play it clean for a change. The only habit I won't change is the use of a speed mod... sailing the long stretches drives me batty sometimes. :haha:


Also, I wanted to try to help settle the argument. Maybe it already was... I didn't thoroughly read the thread. But I hope it helps somehow.

[Sailor Steve]

I actually wasn't aiming at you with my comment. No need to explain.

[JokerOfFate]

"There is a difference between playing the game and taking advantage of the things the designers got wrong. In this case I'm guessing it never occured to them that anyone would do something that "gamey"."

Don't blame the designers they did their job fine and besides I don't see how I'm taking advantage I sunk it with my deck gun (which was no easy feat) because I was out of eels, not to break the game. Then found out that if he starts taking water he cann't fire his guns(on a side note I found out that the flak (light) can damage the large guns(in stock at least)). So I see it more as something to fix, also I'm not abusing this in anyway and besides just sink it with eels it's not like there's a pot of gold or a reward of some sort for doing it.

No harm done Krashkart

[krashkart]

I actually wasn't aiming at you with my comment. No need to explain.

Oh! Sorry Steve. :rotfl2:

[timmy41]

Sailor Steve 100% realism with GWX, I've got very good aim and I lot of time, it was a 24 hour battle of surfacing firing and diving over and over again from 7000m then later 400m after I got his guns off.



Don't blame the designers they did their job fine and besides I don't see how I'm taking advantage I sunk it with my deck gun (which was no easy feat) because I was out of eels, not to break the game. Then found out that if he starts taking water he cann't fire his guns(on a side note I found out that the flak (light) can damage the large guns(in stock at least)). So I see it more as something to fix, also I'm not abusing this in anyway and besides just sink it with eels it's not like there's a pot of gold or a reward of some sort for doing it.



why are your stories always inconsistent of the same event?

[JokerOfFate]

Guns off meaning disabled rather than actully off, poor choice of words due to me being tired.

Besides one message is for the 5th and one is for the 6th time meeting the Revenge

[timmy41]

so youve been playing a few months and met the revenge more times than many have in several years?

[JokerOfFate]

I've been playing for years if not soon after the game came out,
1,2 and 3 were random- all of them were sunk pretty quick.
4,5 and 6 were on purpose and sunk the Revenge- 5 sunk later

This is mostly due to the fact my old hunting grounds are near were they pass




Edit: Sorry for the bad typo :oops:

[timmy41]

ah, i see. ok

[Jimbuna]

There was one exception - USS Iowa and New Jersey tried to sink the Japanese destroyer Nowaki with their 16" guns, but the range was in excess of 35,000 yards, far outside the range of the 5" guns. Also, they didn't score a single hit. :hmmm:[/QUOTE]

True and courtesy os Steve in #36 :DL

I was more wondering how accurate the modeling is, not suggesting that it could or should be better than it is.

I am always amazed and grateful for what the modders have done.

No problem matey....the accuracy can always be questionned, especially that of a game over five year old.

I just don't envisage anyone delving into the nuts, bolts and rivets of the SH3 engine anytime soon.

Perhaps with SHV if and when a final patch announcement is made.

[krashkart]

System Shock 2 is an older game and people are still finding it, loving it, and making mods for it. SH3 might still have some voodoo in her. :DL

[fastfed]

:hmmm:

True and courtesy os Steve in #36 :DL



No problem matey....the accuracy can always be questionned, especially that of a game over five year old.

I just don't envisage anyone delving into the nuts, bolts and rivets of the SH3 engine anytime soon.

Perhaps with SHV if and when a final patch announcement is made.[/QUOTE]


Let me ask you.. Do you think there is a chance SHV will EVER be what SHIII GWX, is ??

I just don't ever see it happening.. but what do I know.

[Sailor Steve]

Don't blame the designers they did their job fine and besides I don't see how I'm taking advantage I sunk it with my deck gun (which was no easy feat) because I was out of eels, not to break the game.
It doesn't matter. If you can do something in the game that was impossible in real life then the game has a serious flaw. Taking advantage of that flaw is fine, but most of us try to play a little more historically, hence the flak you are currently recieving. No-one really cares how you play - that's your business and nobody else's. But you've started two threads now just to tell people how cool it is that you can do something with the game that we all consider more 'arcade' than 'simulator'.

Part of my background goes back to the UBI boards and threads about how many hundreds of thousands of tons people could sink in one patrol, or in a career. This is the same. The game lets you perform feats that no real-life kaleun could even dream of. Telling everyone how you did it is, indeed, bragging about "beating the game".

[JokerOfFate]

It doesn't matter. If you can do something in the game that was impossible in real life then the game has a serious flaw. Taking advantage of that flaw is fine, but most of us try to play a little more historically, hence the flak you are currently recieving. No-one really cares how you play - that's your business and nobody else's. But you've started two threads now just to tell people how cool it is that you can do something with the game that we all consider more 'arcade' than 'simulator'.

Part of my background goes back to the UBI boards and threads about how many hundreds of thousands of tons people could sink in one patrol, or in a career. This is the same. The game lets you perform feats that no real-life kaleun could even dream of. Telling everyone how you did it is, indeed, bragging about "beating the game".

I'm not bragging about beating the game, I said about it, then someone asked about it so I answered the questions, now I being blamed for bragging, I started one topic this one because people asked for proof thats all, there were two other topics where people just started trouble even if it wasn't called for. I do play historicly just on some careers I do my own thing. I'm not going around telling people its cool to be honest with you there is no point to attacking a warship with your deck gun you get the same tonage for 2x the effort, I attack'em really just to see their decks explode.

Telling everyone how you did it is, indeed, bragging about "beating the game"
I agree with you there, but I'm only answering questions and telling people how I did it because they asked.

Ok, heres how I see things at the moment,
I get asked questions, which I answer
Then I get accused of lying
Then it proved to be possible
and now I'm bragging because I answered other peoples questions.

To be honest, I don't care it's not something worth bragging about, now like I said before I'm willing to let this drop if everyone else is.

[Gerald]

If I were in your shoes, I would leave it, it's still you who play and no other, and as long as you have fun, that's fine :yep:

[JokerOfFate]

Good point, mainly I'm just annoyed that this started up again.

[Jimbuna]

Good point, mainly I'm just annoyed that this started up again.

Simply move on and enjoy your gameing experience Kaleun http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[JokerOfFate]

:DLThanks, think I will but GWX isn't working and its spoiling the mood:cry:

[Jimbuna]

:DLThanks, think I will but GWX isn't working and its spoiling the mood:cry:

What appears to be the problem?

[JokerOfFate]

It loads to 75% then crashs, all the one has is: GWX SH3 Commander

[ediko]

Did you have commander before the crashes started? There is a file one needs to run commander with gwx. If not then I have no idea.

[Herr-Berbunch]

And have you added/removed a mod after a save?

[JokerOfFate]

I have the file on, no new mods just GWX and sh3c, but it doesn't even work when I try new careers :hmmm:

[pickinthebanjo]

There's NO proof here. Once and for all, stock or not stock YOU CAN'T BRING DOWN REVENGE (OR EVEN A DD) IN A RUNNING GUNFIGHT! Do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor matey: stop insisting on insisting please...:nope:

not sure about a battleship but I have taken down a few different destroyers when I was forced to the surface using the deck gun on a couple of occasions, it's a lot easier in stock but still possible in both, you just need to disable the guns

[JokerOfFate]

pickinthebanjo not to be rude or anything but the debate on that is over to keep the peace. :)

[Jimbuna]

I have the file on, no new mods just GWX and sh3c, but it doesn't even work when I try new careers :hmmm:

Is this the file your referring to?

http://www.filefront.com/12815500/GWX3_CFG_for_SH3Commanders.exe

If it is, all well and good but if not you need to install it.

[JokerOfFate]

Yep thats the file, but I reinstalled everything and it's working now so :DL

[Jimbuna]

Yep thats the file, but I reinstalled everything and it's working now so :DL


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