After Playing Hearts of Iron 3, I say Silent Hunter 5 is great!

[the_tyrant]

Sure you guys bash SH5. But in reality its not that bad!
First of all, the graphics are great. Not Crysis grade, but at least COD grade.
The sounds sound decent, and the system requirements aren't that high.

Imagine a game that has poor ai, even worse graphics, and miserable sound.

Sure you guys complain about how ships crash in port and all that, but us Hearts of Iron players have to endure worse! Silent Hunter 5 players don't have to endure an interface that lies, graphics that look like their from 2002, and no multi core support! Hearts of Iron lags on everything, even xeon workstations with 32gbs of memory.:damn:

Hearts of Iron is still in pretty bad shape after 4 patches, 1 expansion pack, and 1 patch for the expansion pack.


Always remember, there is someone that got it worse than you somewhere.

[Takeda Shingen]

There's a lot of people here that don't bash SH5. There are also a lot of people here that enjoy HoI.

[Abd_von_Mumit]

I did enjoy HoI2 and HoI3 a lot. 3 was a big step forward compared to 2 (interface wise at least). Sure the game is far from perfect, but (quite like SH series) there's NOTHING else on the market of such high quality where it comes to strategy (and I mean strategy, not tactics). Graphics is the last feature I would demand from HoI series producers, one doesn't need much to move unit tokens on a map. :88)

When I think of comparisons, SH5 compared to SH3 is much less developed (pushed forward) than HoI3 compared to HoI2. In some fields it's even worse - one can't say that about HoIs, I think.

[makman94]

oh...it's like the situation that someone is having some(many) rounds of drinks before the...'action' ....then all seems much beautyfuller than trully are....

ok,ok ...i am just joking ! if you really like it ...just enjoy it !

bye

[Méo]

Hearts of Iron is still in pretty bad shape after 4 patches, 1 expansion pack, and 1 patch for the expansion pack.

Really !? :o:nope:

Good thing I didn't spend a buck to get the expansion.

I really enjoyed HoI 2 (even if it has its falws) but the last one is a major disappointment.

[Gabucino]

It's really hard to say which one is worse... I'll call it a tie.

[Castout]

Is this game really that bad? I just ordered it. Still have time to cancel it :DL

I really enjoyed HoI 2.

Raptor recommended the game too . . .

[Zedi]

There's a lot of people here that don't bash SH5. There are also a lot of people here that enjoy HoI.

Well, only the SH3 fanatics are used to come over and constantly bash SH5. And those who are playing on Hitler's computer and are unable to climb a ladder in a video game.

[Sailor Steve]

I see you're back to your self-centered antics again, just when I was starting to have hope for you. Who in this thread mentioned SH5 or compared it to SH3 until you did? The OP compared SH5 to Hearts Of Iron, not SH3, and favorably so as well. Did you have to turn it into another "Mine is better than yours" thread?

Well, only the SH3 fanatics are used to come over and constantly bash SH5.
You exclude the many people who have played SH5 and didn't like it. They aren't necessarily SH3 fanatics.

And those who are playing on Hitler's computer...
What exactly is that supposed to mean? People with old computers? Why insult them?

...and are unable to climb a ladder in a video game.
Haven't we had that conversation? You seems stuck in a rut, unable to look beyond your own anger.

I think you owe an explanation for your comments, as well as an apology.

[Zedi]

Not sure why are you jumping in Steve, is nothing against you. I always respected your oppinion and I also agree with your hate against Ubi and their frakin drm. But drm is a joke compared to what was Starforce at that time. But I suppose only your addiction to the "argument clinic" sketch keeps you jump in these debates :P

Regarding the rig.. is not an insult, its a fact. At todays price is cheaper to buy a performant rig than fill your car tank, no matter if you live in US or your a monk in Tibet. And most of those who are bashing SH5, are unable to climb the frinkin ladder, also a fact.

Bottom line, I dont wanna get into a debate as I managed to doge the other topic filled with a lot of hate against SH5. But is pretty disturbing that every frakin week there is somebody who come over and start hit on SH5, with arguments or not. Im getting tired off and maybe we need some more restrictive moderation about.

[brett25]

Always remember, there is someone that got it worse than you somewhere. wow, talk about a race to the bottom.

aim high my friend, thats how we have ended up with one of the best mod communities on the internet!

[vballe]

HOI 3 is really a great game. Every game has flaws, but I say HOI 3 beats SH5 in turms of lifelength

[Sailor Steve]

Not sure why are you jumping in Steve, is nothing against you. I always respected your oppinion and I also agree with your hate against Ubi and their frakin drm. But drm is a joke compared to what was Starforce at that time. But I suppose only your addiction to the "argument clinic" sketch keeps you jump in these debates :P
I have no problem with complaining about the complainers. It's just that this thread was praising SH5 (in a backhanded sort of way) and had nothing to do with SH3, so I don't see why that had to come up again. Then again, maybe I'm missing something.

Regarding the rig.. is not an insult, its a fact. At todays price is cheaper to buy a performant rig than fill your car tank, no matter if you live in US or your a monk in Tibet. And most of those who are bashing SH5, are unable to climb the frinkin ladder, also a fact.
Not quite true. I don't even have a car, and I've been saving to buy a new computer for months. Sometimes I wonder if it's ever going to happen.

Bottom line, I dont wanna get into a debate as I managed to doge the other topic filled with a lot of hate against SH5. But is pretty disturbing that every frakin week there is somebody who come over and start hit on SH5, with arguments or not. Im getting tired off and maybe we need some more restrictive moderation about.
I don't think it's as bad as all that, but you could be right.

About the ladders, though: There could be a number of technical reasons why a particular setup makes precision difficult. Saying that people don't like SH5 because they can't climb a ladder is, to me at least, no different than just saying they don't like it because they're stupid. Someone could just as easily claim that people who do like SH5 are so lacking in imagination they need to be spoon-fed so-called "immersion" because they can't think for themselves.

That is no more true than your "ladders" thing. It's just another way to insult people you disagree with.

[musides]

HoI3 is a good quality game. IMO it isn't as good as HoI2, but I say that considering that HoI2 was the best game I've ever played in 20 years of gaming.

[Pablo]

Hi!

I do not think Silent Hunter V vs Hearts of Iron III is really a fair comparison: Ubisoft halted all development and bug fixes for Silent Hunter V months ago, while Paradox continues to support Hearts of Iron III with expansion releases that add features and try to squash old bugs without creating too many new ones. The first HOI III expansion was "Semper Fi"; the next one will be "For the Motherland".

Pablo

[Castout]

I'm considering buying HoI 3 but without the expansion. Is it worth the buy if without the expansion?

Raptor already told me that it may not be worth the buy without the expansion.

I hate the fact that their latest without expansion, patch 1.4 still have some bugs in it like the supply bug and they've stopped fixing the game if you don't buy the expansion.

I could wait for them to release complete edition or something.

Edit after reading their forum it seems supply is still broken in game. I don't understand why a game developer would publish a game in bad condition. It really hurts sales.

[Jester_UK]

Raptor's right. The current expansion sorts out some nasty issues with the original.

There's also another expansion due out sometime later this year. The expansions are cumulative so without the Semper FI expansion that's already available you wouldn't be able to install the For the Motherland expansion that due out soon (clever Paradox.... Way to make loads of money!!)

Business model aside though, I have never seen a Paradox expansion that didn't make major improvements on the original game, so to my mind it's money well spent.

EDIT: Re: the supply issues, it's not really broken. Just very harsh on those that want to build an entire army of nothing but armour and mechanised troops. Where it falls down is that it's automated to a large degree and not very transparent (finding the supply bottleneck is a chore and one that's sometimes impossible). Careful planning and taking time to ensure your supply routes (or those of your allies) will be able to support your army's composition. For example a lot of people complain the supply system is broken when they've just tried to perform an amphibious invasion of Europe with huge armour based armies that a single port simply can't handle the supplies for.

[SuperCavitation]

Not trying to derail anything here but my roommate has HoI 3 and has been onto me about getting it for some time now. Except I'm stuck in Civ 5 (and SH5) currently, and Civ5 was a MESS when it released.

The mods have more or less fixed SH5, or so it appears. I'm happy and entertained so I guess that's the point. Things are (usually) fixable by proper, hard working people that care.

[King Bendico]

Not trying to derail anything here but my roommate has HoI 3 and has been onto me about getting it for some time now. Except I'm stuck in Civ 5 (and SH5) currently, and Civ5 was a MESS when it released.

The mods have more or less fixed SH5, or so it appears. I'm happy and entertained so I guess that's the point. Things are (usually) fixable by proper, hard working people that care.

Well, comparing SH5 and HoI3 is like saying AIDS is better than cancer. They both suck!

[Harmsway!]

Am I confused. I know who magnum is but why is he quoted by Steve in place of Zedi?

And what's this all about ladders? If for whatever reason you don't want to use the ladder, teleport.

Lastly where is my club. I need to kill a bilge rat.

[Zedi]

Am I confused. I know who magnum is but why is he quoted by Steve in place of Zedi?
...
Check me sig.

[Jaguar]

Am I confused. I know who magnum is but why is he quoted by Steve in place of Zedi?

And what's this all about ladders? If for whatever reason you don't want to use the ladder, teleport.

Lastly where is my club. I need to kill a bilge rat.

Magnum got sunk in the middle of the atlantic. His vital energy travelled to the space time continuum and incorporated in the entity that calls itself Zedi.

Edit: Zedi bit me to it.

[Sailor Steve]

Am I confused. I know who magnum is but why is he quoted by Steve in place of Zedi?
Magnum changed his nick to Zedi. Your confusion comes because I quoted him before the change, and the quote is now locked to my post, and doesn't change.

Clear as mud? :sunny:

[Rilder]

HOI3 isn't a bad game, it has its flaws but its not terrible. Its not really my style however since I prefer a less war based game.

I remember having this massive bloody war with the US over India,(As Germany) Neither side gave an inch willingly and thousands upon thousands of soldiers died for that subcontinent. It was one of the most epic wars I've ever seen in a game. It started out as a expeditionary force sent east to support my Asian Axis who were starting to lose ground to American support. (The Axis had originally taken almost the entire sub-continent but the American intervention nearly reclaimed the entire continent) Soon this expeditionary force ballooned into an entire army and the war begain in fullest with planes flying, bombs dropping, tanks rolling. Eve the occasional naval battle (which I tended to fail at due to the lackluster German Navy) Eventually I did manage to best the allies pushing them further and further into the middle east.

The thing about Paradox games is that, while they aren't the best at release, Once they get established, patched, an expansion or two and so on they really start to shine.

Add in the excellent modding community (Who Paradox has been known to hire from) and you have a bunch of games that can last you forever.

How ever if you are the type of gamer who loves Call of Duty and speaks in 1337 sp3@k, then you might not enjoy Paradox games.