The Ideas Obama ignores, and tells us don't exist.

[The Third Man]

<LI nodeIndex="1">Stop saying there are no ideas.<LI nodeIndex="1"><LI nodeIndex="1"> <LI nodeIndex="1">Place a firm cap on overall federal spending, and limit future year-to-year growth to inflation plus population growth. Federal spending is on an unsustainable trajectory because we lack a mechanism that forces Congress to live within agreed upon spending limits. A binding cap will force lawmakers to make the tough decisions required to get us back to fiscal sanity. <LI nodeIndex="1">

Require the Big Three entitlement programs—Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security—to live within firm, congressionally approved budgets. If Congress is ever to control spending, it must end the era of open-ended entitlements. Currently, Big Three spending is on autopilot—increasing automatically year after year. Entitlement spending must be brought into the congressional budgetary process. Lawmakers should establish a five-year budget for these programs and include protective mechanisms, such as triggers, that will automatically keep spending within the congressionally approved limits.

Revive federalism. The federal government has usurped the states’ traditional role in areas such as transportation, education, health (especially Medicaid), homeland security, and law enforcement. Washington must cede vast swatches of its policymaking authority—and the funding that goes with it—to states willing to reassume leadership in these areas.

Limit the unsustainable growth of welfare spending, and require recipients to give something back. Aggregate welfare spending now approaches $1 trillion annually and does more harm than good. Congress must treat all 71 means-tested welfare programs holistically, as a discrete category of federal spending, and cap annual year-to-year welfare spending growth at inflation. This will force Congress to consider new approaches that could actually help the poor surmount poverty. To this end, Congress should require able-bodied adults to treat a portion of certain welfare benefits as loans to be repaid rather than as an open-ended grant from taxpayers.

Pay federal workers wages and benefits comparable to what their counterparts earn in the private sector. Federal employee compensation is far too generous. Total compensation—hourly wages plus benefits—is 30–40% above that of comparable private sector workers. By bringing federal compensation in line with market rates, Congress would save taxpayers approximately $47 billion a year.

Do no harm. Tax increases, especially those loaded on small-business owners (our most productive and entrepreneurial individuals), are counterproductive at any time. To raise taxes during a recession is a recipe for crippling economic growth and job creation. Maintaining the tax burden at its current level is the least Congress should do.

Encourage investment and job creation. Reduce the top tax rate on corporate earnings—currently the second highest among all industrial nations—and let businesses immediately deduct investments in new plant and equipment. These two changes to the tax code will unleash the most productive investment and create the most private sector jobs. Specifically, lawmakers should align the top rate on corporate earnings to those that prevail in our 30 largest trading partners—approximately 25%.

Liberate employed seniors from payroll taxes. As part of the broader effort to reform entitlement programs, seniors who wish to work beyond retirement age should be freed from the burden of paying Social Security payroll taxes. Employers willing to retain or hire these older workers also should be exempt from paying the employer share of the FICA tax.

Invest in peace through strength. A robust military is the surest way to deter aggression and reinforce U.S. diplomacy. To accomplish this, the Pentagon procurement holiday must end. Congress must refurbish our armed forces, especially our depleted Navy fleet and vital missile defenses.

[mookiemookie]

Thanks for the copy/paste political hot air spam.

[The Third Man]

Thanks for the copy/paste political hot air spam.

You are very much welcome. And Thank You for your trolling behavior.

[antikristuseke]

That's rich, coming from you.
Or me for that mater.

[Oberon]

http://www.zgeek.com/forum/gallery/files/1/7/9/1/0/facepalm-1.jpg

[ETR3(SS)]

1. What is the source of this? As it was said this is a copy paste job.

2. Has Obama been presented with these ideas?

3. I seemed to miss the part that tells us that Obama ignored these ideas and told us they didn't exist. Could you point that out for me please?

[The Third Man]

1. What is the source of this? As it was said this is a copy paste job.

2. Has Obama been presented with these ideas?

3. I seemed to miss the part that tells us that Obama ignored these ideas and told us they didn't exist. Could you point that out for me please?

1. If you agree with the ides you will soon be aware of where they come from. if you don't agree it makes little difference.

2. Of course he has. If not Obama wouldn't have characterised the republicans as the party of 'no'. Remember his speach about mopping up?

3. The party of no tells you he ignores the ideas. And his statements that he is the president.

These ideas have been on the table for the last 19-20 months.

I don't have to justify the ideas. These are them. They are certainly different than the wreck-onomics we are experiencing now.

[mookiemookie]

You are very much welcome. And Thank You for your trolling behavior.

Sorry if you define trolling as someone pointing out the fact that you're spamming the forum with copy paste political screeds without any comment or discussion attached.

[The Third Man]

Sorry if you define trolling as someone pointing out the fact that you're spamming the forum with copy paste political screeds without any comment or discussion attached.

So now it's spamming. I love liberal progressives. If it doesn't fit the narrative it is always the poster's fault. My thread, no one asked you to participate.

[The Third Man]

Ideas.

[ETR3(SS)]

1. If you agree with the ides you will soon be aware of where they come from. if you don't agree it makes little difference. So if I agree with the ideas am I going to get some sort of divine inspiration that is going to provide me with a link? But if I don't agree it doesn't matter? Why not?

2. Of course he has. If not Obama wouldn't have characterised the republicans as the party of 'no'. Remember his speach about mopping up? Good. Then perhaps you can tell me how he was presented these ideas and who did the presentation. I remember a lot of Democrats speaking about mopping and cleaning and so forth. I think they just smeared the dirt around more.:O:

3. The party of no tells you he ignores the ideas. And his statements that he is the president. I prefer not to listen to what one party says about another. They both seem like a couple of spoiled brats fighting over the same toy to me. So because the POTUS makes a statement saying that he is the POTUS that's supposed to tell me that he ignored these ideas and that they didn't exist?

I'm not trying to make a fool out of you here, I'm just trying to develop an informed opinion. To do that I need to ask questions to get more information.

[Oberon]

Actually, it's Neals thread, since he's the guy that has to sort out the bandwidth of this forum.

Anyway, didn't we have an anti-Obama thread a while ago? I think I'll go and find it and bump it back up so you guys can post in it all you want.

EDIT: Hmmm, no, apparently there isn't a specific thread...perhaps there should be. An Obama thread and a Muslim thread...but then the forum would probably never get any posts outside of the two... :haha:

[The Third Man]

The ideas which many said didn't exist, do exist after all. Wrap your mind around them or don't. I am only the messenger.

[The Third Man]

Actually, it's Neals thread, since he's the guy that has to sort out the bandwidth of this forum.

Anyway, didn't we have an anti-Obama thread a while ago? I think I'll go and find it and bump it back up so you guys can post in it all you want.

EDIT: Hmmm, no, apparently there isn't a specific thread...perhaps there should be. An Obama thread and a Muslim thread...but then the forum would probably never get any posts outside of the two... :haha:

It is Neal's board but it is my thread.

To you it seams anti-Obama, to me, it is more pro America in nature. If you interpret it as anti-Obama that says something about you.

[Oberon]

Is it pro-American or anti-Obama?

Now that's a good question, however I do not see any mention of America in the thread title. But, whatever, like you say, it's your thread. Knock yourself out. :salute:

[mookiemookie]

My thread, no one asked you to participate.

By making the thread, you invited every registered member of Subsim to participate. If you can't deal with criticism (as you've proven in the past to have problems with) then don't post.

[CCIP]

General Topics? More like Commander-in-Chief Topics :88)

[Oberon]

General Topics? More like Commander-in-Chief Topics :88)

:har::har::yeah:

[The Third Man]

The ideas must be good or there wouldn't be so much opposition.

I hadn't made a judgement, I only posted them. I guess I should go back and re-evalutate.

[The Third Man]

By making the thread, you invited every registered member of Subsim to participate. If you can't deal with criticism (as you've proven in the past to have problems with) then don't post.

Then don't complain when called a troll, or any other silly term. I only do it because it comes at me. I have learned from others. I won't accuse of others if they don't accuse me. Fair?

[antikristuseke]

The ideas must be good or there wouldn't be so much opposition.


Your logic is unassailable, good sir, but I must bring this fact to your attention: You disagre with me, kind sir, therefore you must be mistaken.

[ETR3(SS)]

The ideas must be good or there wouldn't be so much opposition.

I hadn't made a judgement, I only posted them. I guess I should go back and re-evalutate.So I take that as a no on the more information so I can make an informed opinion for myself then?

[Tribesman]

The ideas must be good or there wouldn't be so much opposition.

Thats the logic Fred Phelps uses.:doh:

[The Third Man]

Your logic is unassailable, good sir, but I must bring this fact to your attention: You disagre with me, kind sir, therefore you must be mistaken.

That is critical thinking by definition. Thanks for the laugh. :woot::har:

[The Third Man]

In case you missed it...................the ideas not spoken

Place a firm cap on overall federal spending, and limit future year-to-year growth to inflation plus population growth. Federal spending is on an unsustainable trajectory because we lack a mechanism that forces Congress to live within agreed upon spending limits. A binding cap will force lawmakers to make the tough decisions required to get us back to fiscal sanity. <LI nodeIndex="1">

Require the Big Three entitlement programs—Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security—to live within firm, congressionally approved budgets. If Congress is ever to control spending, it must end the era of open-ended entitlements. Currently, Big Three spending is on autopilot—increasing automatically year after year. Entitlement spending must be brought into the congressional budgetary process. Lawmakers should establish a five-year budget for these programs and include protective mechanisms, such as triggers, that will automatically keep spending within the congressionally approved limits.

Revive federalism. The federal government has usurped the states’ traditional role in areas such as transportation, education, health (especially Medicaid), homeland security, and law enforcement. Washington must cede vast swatches of its policymaking authority—and the funding that goes with it—to states willing to reassume leadership in these areas.

Limit the unsustainable growth of welfare spending, and require recipients to give something back. Aggregate welfare spending now approaches $1 trillion annually and does more harm than good. Congress must treat all 71 means-tested welfare programs holistically, as a discrete category of federal spending, and cap annual year-to-year welfare spending growth at inflation. This will force Congress to consider new approaches that could actually help the poor surmount poverty. To this end, Congress should require able-bodied adults to treat a portion of certain welfare benefits as loans to be repaid rather than as an open-ended grant from taxpayers.

Pay federal workers wages and benefits comparable to what their counterparts earn in the private sector. Federal employee compensation is far too generous. Total compensation—hourly wages plus benefits—is 30–40% above that of comparable private sector workers. By bringing federal compensation in line with market rates, Congress would save taxpayers approximately $47 billion a year.

Do no harm. Tax increases, especially those loaded on small-business owners (our most productive and entrepreneurial individuals), are counterproductive at any time. To raise taxes during a recession is a recipe for crippling economic growth and job creation. Maintaining the tax burden at its current level is the least Congress should do.

Encourage investment and job creation. Reduce the top tax rate on corporate earnings—currently the second highest among all industrial nations—and let businesses immediately deduct investments in new plant and equipment. These two changes to the tax code will unleash the most productive investment and create the most private sector jobs. Specifically, lawmakers should align the top rate on corporate earnings to those that prevail in our 30 largest trading partners—approximately 25%.

Liberate employed seniors from payroll taxes. As part of the broader effort to reform entitlement programs, seniors who wish to work beyond retirement age should be freed from the burden of paying Social Security payroll taxes. Employers willing to retain or hire these older workers also should be exempt from paying the employer share of the FICA tax.

Invest in peace through strength. A robust military is the surest way to deter aggression and reinforce U.S. diplomacy. To accomplish this, the Pentagon procurement holiday must end. Congress must refurbish our armed forces, especially our depleted Navy fleet and vital missile defenses.

[Tribesman]

Its gone from political sillyness to just plain spam.:down:

[The Third Man]

Its gone from political sillyness to just plain spam.:down:

Yeah that's the word I was looking for....spam. But they continue to be ideas which counter our current Obama wreck-onomics.

[The Third Man]

Ideas bump

[TLAM Strike]

Place a firm cap on overall federal spending...

Invest in peace through strength. A robust military is the surest way to deter aggression and reinforce U.S. diplomacy. To accomplish this, the Pentagon procurement holiday must end. Congress must refurbish our armed forces, especially our depleted Navy fleet and vital missile defenses.How do we limit federal spending while procuring new equipment? The price of new weapon systems continues to rise because the DoD has a limit on how many they can purchase with their limited funds.

The companies contracted to build the things are producing sub-standard items. Remember the Deepwater patrol boats? The San Antonio?

The Pentagon is submitting nonsensical procurements and requirements. Look at the LCS, a high speed ship designed for inshore combat that has no armor to defend against RPGs and other low tech weapons. A requirement for a (currently unbuilt) ASW module but no on-board sonar to use it. High speed waterjets that prevent deployment assets from the stern ramp at said high speeds. A helipad sufficiently big to a MH-53 but a structure unable to support it's weight.

And the companies again are producing idiotic prototypes to complete for the production model. The National Security Cutter? The builders had to add another engine to get it up to the required speed because the new composite hull was too heavy.

[mookiemookie]

Ideas bump

Now you're just spamming and being annoying.

[AVGWarhawk]

Nice ideas however we live in reality. The reality of the situation is these ideas will not be instituted no matter how much one would try. Utopia...you will not find in DC or anywhere in the world. :salute:

[Sailor Steve]

I won't accuse of others if they don't accuse me. Fair?
If only he had taken that course with me. :sunny: