Is it possible to sail through the Panama Canal during the time they are neutral

[Gerald]

and it is possible to navigate through, just as Suez :hmmm:

[frau kaleun]

I can't give you an answer about Panama, but during WWII the British armed forces were still a major presence in Egypt (despite its technical neutrality). They had a major base in Cairo and the UK actually controlled the Suez Canal per a treaty signed before the war. It remained in effect until the mid 1950s. I would expect Suez to be crawling with Tommies. :D

[Tessa]

You can access the Panama canal until the US comes into the war.

[Gerald]

I can't give you an answer about Panama, but during WWII the British armed forces were still a major presence in Egypt (despite its technical neutrality). They had a major base in Cairo and the UK actually controlled the Suez Canal per a treaty signed before the war. It remained in effect until the mid 1950s. I would expect Suez to be crawling with Tommies. :D Through the Suez where I have traveled,three times between the years 1940-1943 and resistance in the channel is virtually non-existent,apart from the opening of In Med. which there is little participation DD, Trawler and four land units,and then they have some V & W patrolling the way some minor lakes. :yep:

[Gerald]

You can access the Panama canal until the US comes into the war. do you know if it has depth all the way :hmm2:

[StarFox]

I guess that brings another question I have, Using the Suez and Panama canals, can you actually sail around the world?

[CherryHarbey]

Through the Suez where I have traveled,three times between the years 1940-1943 and resistance in the channel is virtually non-existent,apart from the opening of In Med. which there is little participation DD, Trawler and four land units,and then they have some W & W patrolling the way some minor lakes. :yep:

Are you doing this surfaced or submerged (with unlimited batteries)?

[Snestorm]

I didn't think The Panama Canal was even on the chart. (Stock?)

[CherryHarbey]

Don't know about stock, but it's in GWX 3, although you have to be zoomed in to see it. Find Colon, zoom in, it's there.

[Snestorm]

Don't know about stock, but it's in GWX 3, although you have to be zoomed in to see it. Find Colon, zoom in, it's there.

Seems to be another GWX improvement.

I never had a desire to enter it in stock, but I did want to lurk somewhere nearby, and never managed to find anything but a valley on my chart.

[Jimbuna]

Don't know about stock, but it's in GWX 3, although you have to be zoomed in to see it. Find Colon, zoom in, it's there.

Seems to be another GWX improvement.

I never had a desire to enter it in stock, but I did want to lurk somewhere nearby, and never managed to find anything but a valley on my chart.

In GWX3 it has a/s nets at either end.

[Gerald]

Are you doing this surfaced or submerged (with unlimited batteries)? you must be surfaced,your average under the keel is about 4 meters,only one path out to a smaller lake, there are two land units, and then you dive to avoid detection, then the other side is monitored by two V & W DD,when you are away from your DD so, go to the surface again and continues.To answer your question about battery,I use the type IX boats, and not unlimited battery or fuel you can go down to the Red Sea and Aden von Gulf, or visit a port that Italy has taken over in Africa,for bunker fuel and Eels,I use in normal cases, 97% realist, and this does not give unlimited capacity,but try to go travel channel for fun, with patience luggage... :up:

[evan82]

I guess that brings another question I have, Using the Suez and Panama canals, can you actually sail around the world?
I did it once long time ago on the fuel limit option disabled, but You can't meet units on the pacific ocean for example, if You don't have scripted them in Campaigns CFG files, it's simple.:yep:

[Gerald]

Italian Somaliland,Mogadishu under part of 1941,you can go in and get what you need,in addition to no upgrading of the boat, but fuel and eels, and then you go down to south-Africa where there are good hunting grounds :yep:

[Sailor Steve]

Seems to be another GWX improvement.

I never had a desire to enter it in stock, but I did want to lurk somewhere nearby, and never managed to find anything but a valley on my chart.
No, it is not in the stock game. It is in GWX (and every other supermod), but it was originally created as a stand-alone mod, along with Kiel and Suez, but was quickly adapted for the supermods.

[U777]

Are the locks modeled? GWX manual just mentioned a dam but not the locks.

[Gerald]

Are the locks modeled? GWX manual just mentioned a dam but not the locks. if you mean Suez, there are no locks, only two small lakes before you go in to Rea Sea and after that 2-3 days before you reach Gulf von Aden.And if you mean Panama I have no information on which locks,or if they have it, :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Are the locks modeled? GWX manual just mentioned a dam but not the locks.

There are no locks modelled in either Suez or Panama.

[Gerald]

There are no locks modelled in either Suez or Panama. where there is even if they are neutral, :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

where there is even if they are neutral, :hmmm:

Yes, there are a/s nets but no 'locks' like those in some of the French ports.

[Gerald]

Yes, there are a/s nets but no 'locks' like those in some of the French ports. the a/s nets are they in vater level,so you can pass surface or are they a bit under, :hmmm:

[Tessa]

To try and model the locks on the Panama canal would be murder, there's tons of em. Then you'd have to wait for the next lock to either rise or lower to the appropriate height so that you could go through, not something that you can do quickly. If you were trying to sneak in under a ship it would have to be one with a really shallow draft otherwise would risk getting crushed on the locks that lower the water level.

Awhile back someone asked the same question and response was as I mentioned before (about the Panama canal being open until US enters war), albeit that was either 2.0 or 2.1? Noticed in 3.0 that there seem to be a lot more subnets than I remember in 2.1.

Panama canal is wide enough for a supertanker, compared to a submarine its like a lifeboat in size comparison. Any sized u-boat would easily fit through the canal. Prior to the outbreak of war the US wouldn't have had any legal reason to keep German ships from using it, once the war started and the US finally embargoed Germany; while the US was neutral it would've stopped any German ships from entering.

[Snestorm]

No, it is not in the stock game. It is in GWX (and every other supermod), but it was originally created as a stand-alone mod, along with Kiel and Suez, but was quickly adapted for the supermods.

Thanks, Steve.

[Gerald]

To try and model the locks on the Panama canal would be murder, there's tons of em. Then you'd have to wait for the next lock to either rise or lower to the appropriate height so that you could go through, not something that you can do quickly. If you were trying to sneak in under a ship it would have to be one with a really shallow draft otherwise would risk getting crushed on the locks that lower the water level.

Awhile back someone asked the same question and response was as I mentioned before (about the Panama canal being open until US enters war), albeit that was either 2.0 or 2.1? Noticed in 3.0 that there seem to be a lot more subnets than I remember in 2.1.

Panama canal is wide enough for a supertanker, compared to a submarine its like a lifeboat in size comparison. Any sized u-boat would easily fit through the canal. Prior to the outbreak of war the US wouldn't have had any legal reason to keep German ships from using it, once the war started and the US finally embargoed Germany; while the US was neutral it would've stopped any German ships from entering. views are the locks, but as Mr.Jim says, there are no locks, there is only one way to find out,thanks for your basic information!

[Snestorm]

Personaly, I've no intention of getting close enough to learn first hand.
So I'll just keep on reading here.

[Jimbuna]

views are the locks, but as Mr.Jim says, there are no locks, there is only one way to find out,thanks for your basic information!

Personaly, I've no intention of getting close enough to learn first hand.
So I'll just keep on reading here.

Let me ty and clarify the position for everyone...

There are no locks at Panama or Suez ingame but in RL (and I sailed through them many years ago whilst in the merchant navy) there are numerous locks at Panama only, there is an area at Suez called the Bitter Lakes where the north bound and southbound traffic crossover because the canal is not wide enough for more than one ship column.

In picture 1 we can see the land units which consist of coastal bunkers and AA defences.

Those at Colon (1) are rendered from 1st Jan 1938, whilst those south of Colon (2) appear 1st Oct 1941 and those in the south (3) appear between 1st Oct 1940 and 1st Oct 1941.


Picture 1
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9531/panama1.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/panama1.jpg/)

In picture 2 we can see the sub nets, all are rendered on 1st Oct 1941 and are situated 2 metres below the waters surface.

It may be possible to cross them at high speed whilst surfaced but you then run the risk of being impaled on top of one or being spotted and fired upon by the shore installations....the question of realism is down to the individual.

Picture 2
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5926/panama2.jpg (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/panama2.jpg/)

[Snestorm]

@Jimbuna
Thanks. Your picture is as close to seeing it, as I'll ever get.
I find this "stuff" super interesting but, as in the real world, stay far away from it all in-game.

[Jimbuna]

@Jimbuna
Thanks. Your picture is as close to seeing it, as I'll ever get.
I find this "stuff" super interesting but, as in the real world, stay far away from it all in-game.

Rgr that matey http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Gerald]

Let me ty and clarify the position for everyone...

There are no locks at Panama or Suez ingame but in RL (and I sailed through them many years ago whilst in the merchant navy) there are numerous locks at Panama only, there is an area at Suez called the Bitter Lakes where the north bound and southbound traffic crossover because the canal is not wide enough for more than one ship column.

In picture 1 we can see the land units which consist of coastal bunkers and AA defences.

Those at Colon (1) are rendered from 1st Jan 1938, whilst those south of Colon (2) appear 1st Oct 1941 and those in the south (3) appear between 1st Oct 1940 and 1st Oct 1941.


Picture 1
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9531/panama1.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/panama1.jpg/)

In picture 2 we can see the sub nets, all are rendered on 1st Oct 1941 and are situated 2 metres below the waters surface.

It may be possible to cross them at high speed whilst surfaced but you then run the risk of being impaled on top of one or being spotted and fired upon by the shore installations....the question of realism is down to the individual.

Picture 2
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5926/panama2.jpg (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/panama2.jpg/) thanks for the valuable information,and images :up:

[Jimbuna]

thanks for the valuable information,and images :up:

Your welcome my friend http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif