Gun Control issues

[SteamWake]

In yet another policy about face...


The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/01/obama-administration-reverses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/?test=latestnews

Oh and if you cant control the guns try to control the ammo

In a swift and unexpected decision, the epa-surrenders-to-nra-on-gun-control-issue-epa-rejects-attempt-to-regulate-lead-in-bullets-after-nra-protests Environmental Agency today rejected a petition from environmental groups to ban the use of lead in bullets and shotgun shells, claiming it doesn't have jurisdiction to weigh on the controversial Second Amendment issue. The decision came just hours after the Drudge Report posted stories from Washington Whispers and the Weekly Standard about how gun groups were fighting the lead bullet ban.

http://politics.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2010/08/27/epa-surrenders-to-nra-on-gun-control-issue-epa-rejects-attempt-to-regulate-lead-in-bullets-after-nra-protests.html

Sorry about the formatting.

[nikimcbee]

Funny, I just got a NRA application in the mail...:hmmm:

[August]

The Dems have been courting gun owners for the past couple of years and now, just in time for the election, they are shooting themselves in the foot.

It's like they actually want to loose control of the government.

[Konovalov]

The Dems have been courting gun owners for the past couple of years and now, just in time for the election, they are shooting themselves in the foot.
Perhaps they should take the guns and ammo away from only themselves and hence they won't be ale to shoot themselves in the foot. ;)

I thought President Obama was going to really focus now on the US economy? :hmm2:

[nikimcbee]

I thought President Obama was no going to really focus now on the US economy? :hmm2:

He has a busy golf schedule though, then he has to take a vacation from the taxing golf schedule to relax from the stress of golf. He might drop by the white house to have his golf pants cleaned.

It depends on what the telepromter tells him to do.

[Konovalov]

Does anyone know what his handicap is?

[Tribesman]

Does anyone know what his handicap is?

His mouth.

[ETR3(SS)]

"Guns that can take high-capacity magazines are a threat to public safety," said Dennis Henigan of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "Even though they are old, these guns could deliver a great amount of firepower. So I think the Obama administration's concerns are well-taken."M1 Garand facts:
Magazine capacity: 8 rounds en bloc internal
Caliber: .30-06
Action: Semi-Automatic

M1 Carbine facts:
Magazine capacity: 30 round detachable magazine(illegal in CA,MA,MD,NY, AND NY)
Caliber: .30 carbine
Action: Semi-Automatic


Now for some facts about both, like where you can obtain these rifles in the US already...legally...

Your local gun store
CMP http://www.thecmp.org/
Fulton Armory http://www.fulton-armory.com/
Auto-Ordnance http://www.auto-ordnance.com/PA-1AO_m1.html

...and the list goes on. These rifles are already in the country and owned legally by many people. Shame on the entire federal government for playing these games and giving people who want answers the run around. :nope:

[Ducimus]

Yeah, I was about to say... an M1 rilfle is NOT a "high capacity" magazine. 8 shot internal. Like a freaking home defense shotgun.

Frankly im slightly irked that they'd want to destroy these historical arms.

[TLAM Strike]

Now for some facts about both, like where you can obtain these rifles in the US already...legally...

Your local gun store
CMP http://www.thecmp.org/
Fulton Armory http://www.fulton-armory.com/
Auto-Ordnance http://www.auto-ordnance.com/PA-1AO_m1.html

...and the list goes on. These rifles are already in the country and owned legally by many people. Shame on the entire federal government for playing these games and giving people who want answers the run around. :nope:

Thanks for the links, I was thinking about buying a inexpensive WWII era military type rifle for target shooting and recreation. But that will have to wait a couple of years since I just got accepted to college and I can't keep a firearm in the dorms.

[FIREWALL]

His mouth.


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[ETR3(SS)]

Thanks for the links, I was thinking about buying a inexpensive WWII era military type rifle for target shooting and recreation. But that will have to wait a couple of years since I just got accepted to college and I can't keep a firearm in the dorms.No problem.:salute: One thing you should consider though is what you want to do with the gun. If you want to take it out to the range, one of the new manufactures would be in order.

Back on topic.
But because the guns were given to South Korea by the U.S. government, they fall under a special category that requires permission from the State Department before any sale.Now I'm assuming (cause that's all we can do at this point while everybody plays the deferment game) that these weapons are the sole property of South Korea. If the State Department has a problem with that, then let the CMP acquire these weapons and distribute accordingly.

[bookworm_020]

Lead pellets was removed from shotgun shell rounds here in Australia a few years back. There wasn't much of a fuss.

[mookiemookie]

Lead pellets was removed from shotgun shell rounds here in Australia a few years back. There wasn't much of a fuss.

Because no one was looking to use this as some weired "omg he's dun stealin' our guns!" thing.

[Ducimus]

We do have steel shot you know. Primarly for environmental reasons i think. Not sure if its mandantory for things like duck hunting or not.

As gun control goes, it's always been a slippery slope IMO. Some items, I agree, have no business in the hands of a civilian. Say for example, a 50 caliber sniper rifle, or an M-16 or AK varient. I say that with GREAT hesitation, because M-16's and the like ARE fun to target shoot with, and I'd hate to advocate for anything that would deny me the opportunity to enjoy some fun at the range with said firearms. Infact, once in awhile, i find myself feeling nostalgic, wishing I could handle one again. But I degress, i wouldn't want said firearms in the hands of Gang bangers (who manage to get them anway)

But one has to draw a line. Banning things like M1 Garands, in any way shape or form is going over that line. Way over that line. That's just idiocy. M1 Carbines, im not so sure about. I think that might be going a little over the line too. But If we were talking fully automatic Thompsons, or BAR's, id be singing a different tune as gun control goes.

[The Third Man]

The best gun control is with two hands and close to your body.

[August]

Because no one was looking to use this as some weired "omg he's dun stealin' our guns!" thing.

The proposed EPA lead ban was on all types of ammunition, not just shotgun pellets. Since the substitute, copper, is far more expensive it's mainly an attempt to price the cost of ammo out of even more peoples ability to buy it and pissing off every gun owner in the process.

Dumb move in an election year Democrats...

[August]

But If we were talking fully automatic Thompsons, or BAR's, id be singing a different tune as gun control goes.

Not me. Legal full autos are already highly regulated and the people who own them are investigated very thoroughly. In their hands these weapons would be safer than if they stay sitting in some ill guarded foreign warehouse unwanted and forgotten.

[Ducimus]

The proposed EPA lead ban was on all types of ammunition, not just shotgun pellets. Since the substitute, copper, is far more expensive it's mainly an attempt to price the cost of ammo out of even more peoples ability to buy it and pissing off every gun owner in the process.

Dumb move in an election year Democrats...

I missed the buss on that one. When was that? Not something currently in legislative process I hope.

[August]

I missed the buss on that one. When was that? Not something currently in legislative process I hope.

Last weeks news. To their credit the EPA rejected it;

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/27/conservationists-target-lead-ammunition-fishing-tackle/

[The Third Man]

Notice of Proposed Rule which lasted two or three days last week.

[Ducimus]

Switching all shot, bullets, and sinkers to something not lead, is as ludicrious as it is impractical. I mean, seriously the very notion that there's THAT much lead flying around outdoors to warrant such a change, youd think the outdoors was was big massive war zone.

There's only one instance where I can see a reasonable argument against lead, and thats in the case of water foul. As for any enviromental contamination by lead from firearms, the only example ive ever seen was what might as well be called a "redneck shooting range". I spent alot of time at Lytle creek as a kid. It was a dry river bed in a gulch, with an access road down one side, where several "lanes" and parking areas existed from repeated use. Back up your truck, drop the gate, lay out your pieces, put out your targets, and away you went. Man, I shot the hell out of some water jugs, tin cans, etc there. I even shot skeet out there. I heard they had to close it down for some years because of the lead. But that was after several years, and I'm guessing thousands of shooters, all concentrated in one area.

[The Third Man]

So water foul are less worthy of a quick death than other game animals?

[August]

So water foul are less worthy of a quick death than other game animals?

What?

[Ducimus]

The argument for water foul is that once the shot has travelled its course, it settles where ducks and other water foul can mistakenly eat it, thereby getting lead poisoning. That's where there's steel shot. I don't go duck hunting, and if I did, i'm not sure Id use steel shot anyway. It doesnt work as well as lead.

[The Third Man]

What?

Lead is the most efficient ammunition. It is deadly. Copper is questionable in the same regime.

[NeonSamurai]

The problem with lead shot is that ducks, geese, and other water birds ingest small stones as part of their digestive system. If they ingest the lead pellets, they die from poisoning. Also there were problems with lead contaminated water, etc. Canada as I recall banned lead shot several years ago due to all the lead ending up in the waters.

[August]

Lead is the most efficient ammunition. It is deadly. Copper is questionable in the same regime.

There's nothing wrong with using steel shot for bird hunting.

[yubba]

Gun control is being able to hit your target ,yes I'm a clinger, cling too my guns and a bottle of jack. I guess it's ok for big companies too use our planet like a toilet god for bid you have a gun range."EPA is taking action on many fronts to address major sources of lead in our society, such as eliminating childhood exposures to lead, and by not getting the armed criminals off the streets, but by taking your guns and ammo.

[ETR3(SS)]

yes I'm a clinger, cling too my guns and a bottle of jack..Hopefully not at the same time right?:03:

[em2nought]

It's like they actually want to loose control of the government.

Maybe they got more "lefty" than they bargained for, and would rather lose than continue their current path. :yeah:

[yubba]

Well that depends on what day it is. been thinking about getting this puppy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycUd_P7KBog&feature=related