Whats the problem?

[CaptainMattJ.]

well, im quite tired of the massive LAAAAAAAAAAG in my SH5. I get 9 FPS at best. im so VERY VERY tired of it. and im tired of having to put my graphics on all my games to lowest or near lowest so it doesnt lag like F.

However, i need some info on what i need to upgrade. My computer is pretty powerful, 4GB RAM and 600GB hard drive quad-core 64 bit windows Vista With ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics.

But although im pretty dam sure what the problem is, i want some better advice. i wanna know. What do i need to upgrade for SH5 to run well. i am pretty sure its the Radeon 3200, as ive heard its pretty old. But i was wondering if perhaps i needed other things for my computer to finally run all the games at an acceptable res and grahics quality, and that includes SH4 and 5. And how would i go about installing the graphics card, especially since im deciding towards buying an Nvidia. and what model would be best?

im not sure where i can aquire more system specs. and XP users cant help with helping me find it, because its much different, as ive gotten lots of Advice on where to find certain files or find something in control panel and its not there on my machine.

and dont try to tell me to fix SH5 with mods or tring different res, cause it wont work. period. And my situation is different then the common "microstutter" every1 has while running clouds or something. My problem is that sh5 has graphics my machine cant handle, and i aim to change that. even at lowest possible settings, its 9 FPS.

Thank you.

[jwilliams]

My advice would be :-

If you dont know what your doing, get someone who does know what they are doing to upgrade your PC.

There are many things that may need to be done, it may not be a simple case of buying a new graphics card and plug'n it in.

My last upgrade was a new Graphics card, but i also had to buy a new PSU (Power Surply Unit) as the one in my pc was not powerful enough and didnt have the power connectors to run the card i wanted to install.

If your want to learn.... great.... start by reading books, mags etc. Make sure you understand what your doing before you attempt it, as mistakes can be costly.

For me the learning process and the achievement of building my 1st PC from scratch was a great reward. Now my PC is 7 years old. And im looking forward to building my next. Just gotta talk the wife into letting my spend the many dollors it will cost.

:salute:

[Sailor Steve]

I would say it's a tossup between the RAM and the graphics. 4 GB is good, 8 GB is better.

As for the card, I recently upgraded my poor old machine, and it's much easier than you think. Every new card comes with instructions, and with a disc that installs the software for you. Yes, I currently have XP, but hardware upgrades are fairly straightforward and pretty much the same across the board.

That said, don't trust me. This is where the Subsim computer crowd hangs out, and you'll find several people who can help you, and will.

Third, jwilliams' advice is also worth listening to. Ask around and you should be able to find someone who has done it before. But make sure they show you what they've done to their own machine and aren't just talking big.

I've upgraded my PC several times, and it's not nearly as hard as it we always think it's going to be.

[Takeda Shingen]

Moved to PC Solutions forum. This is where the tech gurus hang out.

[JU_88]

4gb Ram is plenty adaquate to run SHV smoothly,
I run it at 1680 x 1050 with high settings on the following:
Core duo E8500, 4GB, GTX 275 and there is no noticable problem with FPS.

So I'd say invest in the best graphics card you can afford and problem solved.

[arnesw]

The HD 3200 is an onboard graphics chip, right? That is, it's integrated with the motherboard.

Anyway, I think a new GFX card is the first thing to do. More RAM might help a little if there's a lot of other stuff running on your machine, but my guess is you won't notice much difference.

Unless a screwdriver to you means only vodka and orange juice, you should be able to install a new graphics card just fine :)

[Sailor Steve]

Moved to PC Solutions forum. This is where the tech gurus hang out.
Thank you, especially since I seem to have forgotten to put a link in my link. :damn::oops:

[kiwi_2005]

well, im quite tired of the massive LAAAAAAAAAAG in my SH5. I get 9 FPS at best. im so VERY VERY tired of it. and im tired of having to put my graphics on all my games to lowest or near lowest so it doesnt lag like F.

However, i need some info on what i need to upgrade. My computer is pretty powerful, 4GB RAM and 600GB hard drive quad-core 64 bit windows Vista With ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics.

But although im pretty dam sure what the problem is, i want some better advice. i wanna know. What do i need to upgrade for SH5 to run well. i am pretty sure its the Radeon 3200, as ive heard its pretty old. But i was wondering if perhaps i needed other things for my computer to finally run all the games at an acceptable res and grahics quality, and that includes SH4 and 5. And how would i go about installing the graphics card, especially since im deciding towards buying an Nvidia. and what model would be best?

im not sure where i can aquire more system specs. and XP users cant help with helping me find it, because its much different, as ive gotten lots of Advice on where to find certain files or find something in control panel and its not there on my machine.

and dont try to tell me to fix SH5 with mods or tring different res, cause it wont work. period. And my situation is different then the common "microstutter" every1 has while running clouds or something. My problem is that sh5 has graphics my machine cant handle, and i aim to change that. even at lowest possible settings, its 9 FPS.

Thank you.

Vista needs twice amount of ram than XP does when it comes to gaming- so if the game requires 2gigs of ram for XP users and your running vista you'll need 4gigs to play it well. Going back to XP is not going backwards just update XP to SP3. IMO XP is more the gaming OS compared to Vista. Otherwise if you haven't a XP cd lying around buy Windows 7 professional or ultimate edition then decide on whether you want to buy a top of the range gfx card or just a small upgrade to the one you have. XP or Win 7 are the best OSes for gaming.

[Foggy]

I run SH5 on 4Gb with no framerate issues at all, but the rest of my rig is pretty darned fast, so I'm sure that helps. But I think 4Gb of RAM is plenty (I run Flight Sim X with high rez packs with very minor hits on the same amount of RAM, and that's far more demanding).

Having said that, I think your problem IS and ISN'T the system RAM amount. In this case, your bottleneck seems to be your vid card. Integrated video like the HD3200 is going to use up your system RAM, probably a couple of gigs of it, and this, combined with what Windows already uses, doesn't leave much system RAM free while gaming in modern games. By adding a video card to an existing slot, you'll free up your system RAM for what it really needs it for.

In order to upgrade, you'll need to check the following:

- See if your motherboard has a free PCI-E slot for a video card (most do). If it does, make sure there is room for it around it in the case (many of the latest cards are pretty large in size. You can get the card dimensions when you're looking at them online).

- Make sure your PSU (power supply) is both capable of supporting the kind of additional voltage a modern card will suck up, AND make sure that your PSU has the kind of power connectors that the card will need in order to run (if your PSU doesn't have the connectors, some vid cards come with a molex connector that you can plug into a standard PSU dongle and it converts it to that type of power connector, but make sure the card you order either has it already or that you add it to the order. You can also buy these at local computer stores).

[Konovalov]

Capt MattJ,

What size monitor (resolution) do you use and also what type of CPU do you have and it's clock speed? Another question is what is the motherboard?

And as mentioned by some others that video card is actually an on board chip that is over 2 years old. It is garbage for something like SHV or any recent game from the last couple of years. My guess is that this is your biggest problem.

On the memory question there isn't really any game that will see a real benefit with 8GB of RAM over 4GB.

Anyway hope the peeps here can help you out. :up:

[arnesw]

BTW...

Here's a useful site to ballpark your PSU needs: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

The free version of Sisoft Sandra is a nice tool to see your system specs: http://www.sisoftware.net/

[SteamWake]

The HD 3200 is an onboard graphics chip, right? That is, it's integrated with the motherboard.

Anyway, I think a new GFX card is the first thing to do. More RAM might help a little if there's a lot of other stuff running on your machine, but my guess is you won't notice much difference.

Unless a screwdriver to you means only vodka and orange juice, you should be able to install a new graphics card just fine :)

This ... onboard graphics chips are not comprable to their discrete counterparts. As mentioned make sure your PSU is up to the job or you could conciveably fry the motherboard bus then your really screwed.

[FIREWALL]

Download CPU-Z or other simular tool and post us your specs.

For sure you need a video card upgrade. Tools needed.... screwdriver and a $2.00 Ground strap sold at most if not all Computer stores.

Will you need a PSU upgrade ? Newer and more powerfull Vid cards require a more powerfull PSU.

4GB of Ram is fine.

[JU_88]

This ... onboard graphics chips are not comprable to their discrete counterparts. As mentioned make sure your PSU is up to the job or you could conciveably fry the motherboard bus then your really screwed.

Very unlikley to do mobo damage this way, more likely the PSU will blow out but thats it.
Modern mothorboards are amazingly good at protecting them selves from these things.

True though that is more to condsider than just the screwdriver,
1) Ensure your board has a 16x PCI-E slot
2) Ensure you have adaquete room in your case (e,g depth and bracket size)
3) Check you got free PCI-E power connectors on your PSU.
4) Check the min requirements for the graphics card you want to buy - and Steamwake points out, check your power supply (PSU) lable for the wattage rating, and the indervidual rating on the 12 volt rail.

If in doubt, take it in to a specialist.

And i'll re-enforce the memory argument, there is little improvement to be gained from going from 4 to 8 GB.
If you had 2GB though - that would be another story.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Here they are. my system specs. i dont what to make of it. hope this provides enough info...

http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y347/XP51MustangX/System%20Specs/Untitled.jpg
http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y347/XP51MustangX/System%20Specs/Untitled1.jpg
http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y347/XP51MustangX/System%20Specs/Untitled2.jpg
http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y347/XP51MustangX/System%20Specs/Untitled3.jpg
http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y347/XP51MustangX/System%20Specs/Untitled4.jpg

[JU_88]

Akk! you on a laptop?
If so Im afraid you cannot upgrade your video card. :-?
Its built in.

[Konovalov]

Yep, looks like you will have to either purchase/build a desktop machine or a new laptop for SHV.

[Seth8530]

Yeah, ur gona need a desktop or a new laptop with some mure umph to it.. 1.8ghz is kinda week for modern gaming even if its a quad core because most games poorly utilize all cores.

The graphics card is also an issue. Integrated graphics as a rule generally suck for gaming. If it was a desktop i woulda recomended adding in a graphics card and possible overclocking the CPU but since you cant get past the graphics card issue overlclocking the CPU would me a moot point..

Good luck and sorry. wish we coulda had better news.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Yep, looks like you will have to either purchase/build a desktop machine or a new laptop for SHV.
its a PC. not a laptop. Wtf. theres no way i can upgrade it? Absolutely no way? What about getting a new motherboard. is that possible? i dont want to buy a new machine.... this one cost 600 dollars. now i have to get another one just because some retards didnt have the sense to allow for graphics card update? thers gotta be another way

[Konovalov]

Sorry Capt. Matt. Not sure why I assumed it was a laptop. :oops:

So it is a Gateway desktop machine. About 2 or 3 years old? Also did you run CPU z program?

[CaptainMattJ.]

Sorry Capt. Matt. Not sure why I assumed it was a laptop. :oops:

So it is a Gateway desktop machine. About 2 or 3 years old? Also did you run CPU z program?
yea its around 3 years.

[Konovalov]

Ok Capt MattJ, I did some research on this as I must admit that I built my own machine around a similar time to you purchasing this computer but I went down the Intel Core 2 Duo route (E6600 2.4Ghz oc'd now to 3.2Ghz). So I am not overly familiar with AMD from this time scale of 2008.

You have a Gateway desktop machine with a AMD Phemom X4 9150e CPU clocked at 1.8Ghz. Firstly the e in the spec denotes that it is an energy efficient CPU. It is a quad core but has a slow (laptop style) clock speed of only 1.8Ghz. Your motherboard is a Gateway RS780 which is based on the AMD 780G chipset.

I searched for your motherboard spec online and I think that I have found it here (http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/Shared/4006272R/4006272Rnv.shtml). The important spec to take from this is:

One PCI Express ×16
One PCI Express ×1
Two PCI conventional

So we know that you have a PCI Express x 16 slot for a graphics card. Hence you are good to go to install a graphics card in that x 16 slot. Now the questions that you need to ask is what type of graphics card do I need in terms of performance? For a start looking at your weak CPU clock speed and the fact you use a 19" monitor you don't need any super dooper new fast graphics card. That would just be a waste of money. As others have mentioned you will need to also check your power supply to make sure it has the specs to cover the install of a graphics card in terms of wattage, 12v rail, and also 6 pin graphics card power connectors. Also you will need to make sure the graphics card length is not too long and that it will fit in your case. What is your budget to spend on a graphics card?

If my post doesn't make sense then excuse me as I am somewhat bleary eyed and tired. :oops:

[CaptainMattJ.]

Ok Capt MattJ, I did some research on this as I must admit that I built my own machine around a similar time to you purchasing this computer but I went down the Intel Core 2 Duo route (E6600 2.4Ghz oc'd now to 3.2Ghz). So I am not overly familiar with AMD from this time scale of 2008.

You have a Gateway desktop machine with a AMD Phemom X4 9150e CPU clocked at 1.8Ghz. Firstly the e in the spec denotes that it is an energy efficient CPU. It is a quad core but has a slow (laptop style) clock speed of only 1.8Ghz. Your motherboard is a Gateway RS780 which is based on the AMD 780G chipset.

I searched for your motherboard spec online and I think that I have found it here (http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/Shared/4006272R/4006272Rnv.shtml). The important spec to take from this is:

So we know that you have a PCI Express x 16 slot for a graphics card. Hence you are good to go to install a graphics card in that x 16 slot. Now the questions that you need to ask is what type of graphics card do I need in terms of performance? For a start looking at your weak CPU clock speed and the fact you use a 19" monitor you don't need any super dooper new fast graphics card. That would just be a waste of money. As others have mentioned you will need to also check your power supply to make sure it has the specs to cover the install of a graphics card in terms of wattage, 12v rail, and also 6 pin graphics card power connectors. Also you will need to make sure the graphics card length is not too long and that it will fit in your case. What is your budget to spend on a graphics card?

If my post doesn't make sense then excuse me as I am somewhat bleary eyed and tired. :oops:
well i posted all the info on wattages in my CPU and posted em, take a look. AS for the Card, i just want a good one. not extreme, just good enoough to run SH5 and other new games. and uhhh, may i ask what Clock speed is and what its relation to my performance is? i searched some cards, and a decent one looks to be about 100 - 150. thats what im willing to spend.

[Konovalov]

well i posted all the info on wattages in my CPU and posted em, take a look.
No, those wattages that you posted are actually info settings on parts of your motherboard relating to voltage of things like northbridge, southbridge and CPU voltages. These have nothing really to do with your power supply (PSU). You will have to physically look at the PSU in your machine to find it's specs and check out the cabling on it. Otherwise you may have a gateway manual that also provide these specs or you could try searching the gateway website with the model number of your machine and that may also tell you. Personally I would simply examine the PSU and write that stuff down and also check the cabling if you can such as what type of spare plugs there are.

AS for the Card, i just want a good one. not extreme, just good enoough to run SH5 and other new games. and uhhh, may i ask what Clock speed is and what its relation to my performance is? i searched some cards, and a decent one looks to be about 100 - 150. thats what im willing to spend.You want to spend 100-150 what? Pounds, US dollars. What currency/country are we talking about?

Can anyone chime in as to what is a decent GPU card for SHV as I must admit that I still haven't purchased SHV. I'm still waiting for it to go in the bargain bin price category. :smug:

[CaptainMattJ.]

No, those wattages that you posted are actually info settings on parts of your motherboard relating to voltage of things like northbridge, southbridge and CPU voltages. These have nothing really to do with your power supply (PSU). You will have to physically look at the PSU in your machine to find it's specs and check out the cabling on it. Otherwise you may have a gateway manual that also provide these specs or you could try searching the gateway website with the model number of your machine and that may also tell you. Personally I would simply examine the PSU and write that stuff down and also check the cabling if you can such as what type of spare plugs there are.

You want to spend 100-150 what? Pounds, US dollars. What currency/country are we talking about?

Can anyone chime in as to what is a decent GPU card for SHV as I must admit that I still haven't purchased SHV. I'm still waiting for it to go in the bargain bin price category. :smug:

dollars of course. and how am i ever going to manually look at it. i think ill try the website.


Edit: i have a GX 4200-09 Series. It says info on models may vary, and it gave 3 numbers.

300 W/400 W/500 W

[Konovalov]

dollars of course. Ok so USD $. Take a look at Toms Hardware linked here: Best Graphics Cards For The Money: August 2010 (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/geforce-gtx-460-radeon-hd-5570-gaming,review-31965-3.html). Three types of cards to go for. In the USD $100 pricepoint you can choose between the Radeon HD4850 1GB or the Nvidia GTS250 1GB. Only negative with either of these is that they do not offer DX11. For a bit more (USD $135) you could get a Radeon HD5750 1GB card which is a bit faster than the other two cards and also has DX11 support for newer games.

and how am i ever going to manually look at it.Simply open up your computer case side panel and look on the side of the power supply. It should have a label with all the specs. System integrators like Gateway Computers use generic power supplies and they tend not to be fantastic.

i think ill try the website.

Edit: i have a GX 4200-09 Series. It says info on models may vary, and it gave 3 numbers.

300 W/400 W/500 W
I think you might mean a Gateway DX 4200-09 such as is this link (http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/DX/DX4200/DX4200nv.shtml) and not GX. This info on the website is all generic by the sounds of it from Gateway. You really need to do what I suggested above and open up your case. My gut feeling is that you may need to upgrade your PSU. But check inside your case first.

Tell us how you go with the power supply info. :)

[CaptainMattJ.]

Ok so USD $. Take a look at Toms Hardware linked here: Best Graphics Cards For The Money: August 2010 (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/geforce-gtx-460-radeon-hd-5570-gaming,review-31965-3.html). Three types of cards to go for. In the USD $100 pricepoint you can choose between the Radeon HD4850 1GB or the Nvidia GTS250 1GB. Only negative with either of these is that they do not offer DX11. For a bit more (USD $135) you could get a Radeon HD5750 1GB card which is a bit faster than the other two cards and also has DX11 support for newer games.

Simply open up your computer case side panel and look on the side of the power supply. It should have a label with all the specs. System integrators like Gateway Computers use generic power supplies and they tend not to be fantastic.


I think you might mean a Gateway DX 4200-09 such as is this link (http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/DX/DX4200/DX4200nv.shtml) and not GX. This info on the website is all generic by the sounds of it from Gateway. You really need to do what I suggested above and open up your case. My gut feeling is that you may need to upgrade your PSU. But check inside your case first.

Tell us how you go with the power supply info. :)
oops, i meant DX. yea im going to look into it tommrow or later tonight. im going to the beach today :).

[Seth8530]

yeah, so you might be in luck after all. Those ATI cards are pretty decent cards for there money... Maybe you should also look at the gtx 260. It was a great card for its money during its hayday and i cant imagine it getting any more expensive since then. Your biggest problem is your CPU clock speeds...

[Arclight]

Make sure to note the brand of PSU, and if you can get the Amperages of the diagram that should be on it.

Even if it's a 500W, low Amps would still make it unsuitable.


I'd say a GTX260 and a new PSU, or go all the way and get a decent quad, new PSU and GTX460. Should hold you over for 3-5 years.

[Konovalov]

Yeah a GTX 460 is another good option on the GPU front. At the end of the day if he only has USD $150 to spend then he can forget about new cpu and mb, graphics card and memory. Obviously the GPU is the weak link currently in his system but if he then goes out and buys a new graphics card then the crummy clockspeed CPU he has will become the bottleneck. Let's see what he comes back with regarding the PSU.

[stoppro]

I had a set-up similar to his.I in stalled a gtx9800 my cpu would not accept a 260.I kept getting messages-not enough resource-but the 9800 was acceptable.I think he is going to need a better rig all the way around.

[CaptainMattJ.]

here it is.

DC output: 300 W (+3.3v & +5 = 130W max)
AC input: 100 - 127 - 2400 V 7/3.5A, 60/50 Hz

+ 3.3V (one solid line and a dashed line go here) 20.0A (Org) + 5V (sold line and a dashed line) 26.0A (Red) + 12V1 (Sold line and dashed) 8.0A (Yel) + 12V2 (solid and dashed line) 14.0A (Yel/Black) + 5Vsb (solid and dashed line) 2.0A (Purp) -12V (solid line and dashed line) 0.8A (Blue)

[Arclight]

here it is.

DC output: 300 W (+3.3v & +5 = 130W max)
AC input: 100 - 127 - 2400 V 7/3.5A, 60/50 Hz

+ 3.3V (one solid line and a dashed line go here) 20.0A (Org) + 5V (sold line and a dashed line) 26.0A (Red) + 12V1 (Sold line and dashed) 8.0A (Yel) + 12V2 (solid and dashed line) 14.0A (Yel/Black) + 5Vsb (solid and dashed line) 2.0A (Purp) -12V (solid line and dashed line) 0.8A (Blue)
Let's see that's:
3.3*20= 66W max on +3.3V line
5*26= 130W max on +5V line
12*8= 96W max on first 12V rail
12*14= 168W max on second 12V rail

For what it's worth: it seems like a decent unit. Delivers 264W of rated 300W on the 12V rails. But it is too light for any kind of gaming rig.

I'd look for something that delivers 35A-40A on the 12V rails, if you're considering something like a GTX260 or GTS250.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Let's see that's:
3.3*20= 66W max on +3.3V line
5*26= 130W max on +5V line
12*8= 96W max on first 12V rail
12*14= 168W max on second 12V rail

For what it's worth: it seems like a decent unit. Delivers 264W of rated 300W on the 12V rails. But it is too light for any kind of gaming rig.

I'd look for something that delivers 35A-40A on the 12V rails, if you're considering something like a GTX260 or GTS250.
Alright, well what CAN i get. as in what graphics card can i get thats enough to run SH5 with most if not all graphics on that DOESNT fry the motherboard. anything except ATI Radeon preferably.


And to clear some things up: Please you guys, understand i am not willing to do a full blown upgrade on my computer. Im not even really looking to buy any more new games. kinda older games, sure but not much else. Ill get what i need to play SH5 without the terribad 9 FPS, but not much else. If i could spare any money itd be spent on something else. im still living with my parents and im 23. i have a job, but every cent i make goes towards my car payment, gas , and my share of the bills. theres no room to save up a 1000 bucks to Do a Full workup on my computer, as much as i want to. and trust me, if i had the cash id defneitely Upgrade this junker. i cant believe i call it that too, its only 3 years old FFS. Its already considered a P.O.S. If you REALLY want a P.O.S ill give you my old computer. there was like 16 MB RAM and about 400 MB Hard Drive. it was FUBAR to the max, it was running windows 95, and its now sitting to the right of me, about 10 feet away collecting dust. its about 16 years old. it cos my dad 1000 dollars When it was bought. A THOUSAND DOLLARS, and 16 years ago. holy S**T thats like 2k back then. i got this machine for 600 bucks, and that includes the printer, speakers, and a few software programs. this machine outperforms that old one 100 fold and it cost 5 times less. just goes to show how fast technology becomes readily available annd cheap and a helluva lot more powerful.

[Arclight]

Maybe something like a 210: http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/product_geforce_210_uk.html

But you don't want that. Honestly doubt it would run SH5 any better anyway. :doh:

Even something like a 9500GT, which is pretty low spec and not quite up to SH5, requires 350W (or rather, 18A on that 12V2 rail).

You just can't hook up a decent card to that PSU, and even if you could I doubt that CPU would be willing to cooperate.

[stoppro]

I'd suggest a 500-550watt psu, If you have a pci-e slot a 9800 gt or 9800 gtx-that would get you a little more beef for about 200 dollars and probably better than 4fps and it shouldn't jam your cpu

[Arclight]

Running it maxed on 8800GTS512 (AA halfway). 9800GTX/GTS250 should do nicely, me thinks. :yep:

edit: Again, given that the CPU is up to the task.

[Konovalov]

Running it maxed on 8800GTS512 (AA halfway). 9800GTX/GTS250 should do nicely, me thinks. :yep:

edit: Again, given that the CPU is up to the task.
And that he looks at a new PSU.

[Arclight]

And that too, of course. :doh:

[CaptainMattJ.]

So theres NOTHING i can get WITHOUT buying a new PSU?? Nothing at all?

[CaptainMattJ.]

well how much does a PSU cost :damn:. Man this really sucks.

[stoppro]

look at compusa or new egg. there under a hundred dollars and 95gtx is about 60.

[CaptainMattJ.]

look at compusa or new egg. there under a hundred dollars and 95gtx is about 60.
ive been looking on both sites and ive chosen a few that look promising. i wanna see what you think of it.

heres a 580W PSU for 25 bucks on newegg.

Sunbeam Hush PSU-HUSH580-US 580W ATX12V Power Supply - OEM


there are others, but im worried about quality. theres quite a few reviews saying it was dead on arrival and burned out or blew up a few days later.

Any good QUALITY PSU thats cheap. around at MAX 50$??

And how about a graphics card eh? Im fine with any graphics card that isnt 200 bucks and that you agree has good quality.

im willing to go with, again, at MAX 150$. if i can get a grahpics card and PSU, and still have money to spare, im open to suggestions on what to spend it on.

[Reece]

I have a Vantec 600w ion2+ PSU, this is a very good unit and a very good price, had mine for over a year now running a 3.5ghz Phenom II CPU and HIS Turbo ATI HD4850 GPU card!:up: just do a search!:yep:
See:
http://www.vantecusa.com/en/product/view_detail/413

[CaptainMattJ.]

I have a Vantec 600w ion2+ PSU, this is a very good unit and a very good price, had mine for over a year now running a 3.5ghz Phenom II CPU and HIS Turbo ATI HD4850 GPU card!:up: just do a search!:yep:
See:
http://www.vantecusa.com/en/product/view_detail/413

Can this run SH5 with most if not all graphics features at a decent res?

[Gerald]

I had a set-up similar to his.I in stalled a gtx9800 my cpu would not accept a 260.I kept getting messages-not enough resource-but the 9800 was acceptable.I think he is going to need a better rig all the way around. :hmmm:

[Arclight]

Any good QUALITY PSU thats cheap. around at MAX 50$??

No, quality doesn't come cheap.

And how about a graphics card eh? Im fine with any graphics card that isnt 200 bucks and that you agree has good quality.

Maybe a 9800GT then, ~$100.

im willing to go with, again, at MAX 150$. if i can get a grahpics card and PSU, and still have money to spare, im open to suggestions on what to spend it on.
If that is what you're willing to spend, I suggest forgetting about it for now and saving up some more. $200 should be enough to get a card that will run SH5 properly and a good PSU to power it.

[stoppro]

hey vendor, no that machine was way before the one I had the problem with- now of course there are no problems at all .

[Gerald]

hey vendor, no that machine was way before the one I had the problem with- now of course there are no problems at all . run with the 480 card, which I assume is smooth :yep:

[CaptainMattJ.]

If that is what you're willing to spend, I suggest forgetting about it for now and saving up some more. $200 should be enough to get a card that will run SH5 properly and a good PSU to power it.
you think a 9800GT will run SH5 smoothly?

[Arclight]

Smooth enough; again, I'm running it maxed on 8800GTS512, except Anti Aliasing is on notch 2 or 3, 1280x960.

9800GT is just 1 step below that. Turning on shadows drags the fps down in the CR though, but playable (20-25). Either turn off shadows or AA and it should be alright.

[CaptainMattJ.]

alright. heres a link for what im planning to purchase.

http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5639258&sku=E145-9862

however im still split on PSU. i dont have a clue which PSU to buy. Suggestions?

Ive found a promising one. maybe?

http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3276574&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs



edit: ok guys heres the ABSOLUTE most promising that ive seen, that isnt off the wall expensive. they all have great reviews, but again i NEEEEED to be sure that

A) it doesnt suck
B) itll fit/ work on my computer.
C) theyll work together
D): if it wont blow up on me.

Im so very very close to fixing my computer up to tolerable standards. I really need you help. heres the links for graphics and PSU

http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4111742&Sku=E145-9504

http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3276574&csid=ITD&body=MAIN

If the graphics card doesnt work out all too well, what about the other one?

[Gerald]

alright. heres a link for what im planning to purchase.

http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5639258&sku=E145-9862

however im still split on PSU. i dont have a clue which PSU to buy. Suggestions? but an Nvidia 400 series,it is something that attracts :hmmm:

[Arclight]

You Americans are so bloody lucky, you know that? First you pay in Dollars what we need to shell out in Euros, and then for some inexplicable reason the bloody retailer shaves off half the cost. :shifty:


Yeah, looks good. EVGA makes good cards, good warranty policy, and as far as I can find reviews Ultra actually builds a decent PSU. :up:

[HunterICX]

You Americans are so bloody lucky, you know that? First you pay in Dollars what we need to shell out in Euros, and then for some inexplicable reason the bloody retailer shaves off half the cost. :shifty:

:sign_yeah:

the first that that crossed my mind when I saw the price of the 460 here

in the US: ''the $200 King''

When the local PC shop looked around for all the retailers here in spain: ''the 448€ Nightmare''

:shifty:

HunterICX

[CaptainMattJ.]

so its good? you guys sure itll integrate into my comp without causing a nuclear detonation?

and Btw, Euros > dollars ATM, so if you visited and bought this youd pay even less cash.

[Gerald]

so its good? you guys sure itll integrate into my comp without causing a nuclear detonation?

and Btw, Euros > dollars ATM, so if you visited and bought this youd pay even less cash. if you think the price is "decent" :yep:

[stoppro]

nothing is for sure ,but you have a good chance- remember it is a computer .and we all know what they can do.

[CaptainMattJ.]

now im not so sure. I just watched a video from ComputerTV and they said it couldnt really play things like Crisis or GTA: SA at high resolution. are you SURE this can handle SH5? i need to be certain, im spending 55 bucks on this thing and ima be really pissed if it comes and it cant do anything.

but heres another one that looks much more promising. here's the link. guys i really need just two answers. one is if itll take with my motherboard.

http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5296653&pagenumber=5&RSort=1&csid=ITD&recordsPerPage=5&body=MAIN#ReviewStart


i also wanna know if itll fit. my case is 7 inches wide, 17 inches long and around 15 1/2 inches high.

and on a side note, do you think 2 SATA connectors would be enough, or would 4 be enough. i havent added any hardware to my computer since i bought it, but still i would like to know if 2 would be ENOUGH, not optimal or would 4 be optimal.?

after i have these answers ill be finished. Thank you all for your help. much appreciated.

[Arclight]

Again, my 8800GTS 512 ran it fine. Here's a thread about comparison between that and 9800GT: http://www.bjorn3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26464

What you can't gaurantee is that it'll work. In a normal PC it would no problem, but with those pre-built boxes there's always a chance it just won't. From what I can find about the motherboard, it seems likely it won't: http://www.bjorn3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26464

[CaptainMattJ.]

Again, my 8800GTS 512 ran it fine. Here's a thread about comparison between that and 9800GT: http://www.bjorn3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26464

What you can't gaurantee is that it'll work. In a normal PC it would no problem, but with those pre-built boxes there's always a chance it just won't. From what I can find about the motherboard, it seems likely it won't: http://www.bjorn3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26464
you posted the same thread twice. was this intentional?

[Arclight]

Ha, no, sorry. Copy/paste fail. :oops:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/257795-11-unlock-gateway-rs780-bios

Q:

Hello,
is there any way to unlock bios on gateway rs780, up graded the cpu to amd phenom9750 95W and 600 psu even with amd over drive no luck ati 4350 vid card also

A:

No, you can't "unlock" a BIOS. You will need to re-write the entire BIOS to do so.