World's First Submarine Attack

[Roger Dodger]

Today in History, Sept. 1, 1776

On this day in 1776, during the Revolutionary War, the American submersible craft Turtle attempts to attach a time bomb to the hull of British Admiral Richard Howe's flagship Eagle in New York Harbor. It was the first use of a submarine in warfare.

Read the rest of this interesting article here: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/worlds-first-submarine-attack


God Bless Electric Boat

[Rockin Robbins]

Wow! In its way is was much more successful than the later Hunley, which sank with its entire crew on its first and last mission. At least this one was not more dangerous for its crew than it was for its intended victims.:up:

[ETR3(SS)]

I'll drink to that!:()1:

[TabbyHunter]

I cant help but notice that this attack took place on Spetember 7th, not the first.

[Sailor Steve]

Wow! In its way is was much more successful than the later Hunley, which sank with its entire crew on its first and last mission.
And on its first trial mission. And on its second trial mission, that time including its designer/builder.

So if the definition of 'stupid' really is repeating the same experiment and expecting different results... :doh::88):dead:

[TabbyHunter]

When its not broke, dont fix it, eh Steve?

[Schwieger]

wow! We need to get this in SH3 and SH4! Imagine a turtle mod, lol

As for the Hunley, we need a mod for that sub too, lol

[TabbyHunter]

Oh yes, lets go out to the modern...or...more modernized, world with a very pre dreadnaught SUBMARINE! Unless you make a full mod for this, then i would say make it for fun, but nothing else.

[Schwieger]

I'm serious though, imagine doing coastal patrol with this sub?

[TabbyHunter]

You will die of hunger before you make open water.

[Schwieger]

its a game; i'm sure that could be worked around :)

[TabbyHunter]

Well yes, but most modders i know over strive for realism, and thus, would probably limit the fuel to about....and hour? I mean, it would be great, but way to hard.

[Roger Dodger]

Wow! In its way is was much more successful than the later Hunley, which sank with its entire crew on its first and last mission. At least this one was not more dangerous for its crew than it was for its intended victims.:up:

The Hunley sunk at least once more, before its mision, and possibly twice. If I have my history right, Hunley (the designer) drownd on the second sinking. That one was REALLY dangerous.

God Bless Electric Boat

[Roger Dodger]

I cant help but notice that this attack took place on Spetember 7th, not the first.

You're right. I just followed the links in the "This WEEK in History", but didn't notice the date.

My bad. :damn:

[TabbyHunter]

Nah, no problems, as i thought that was what happend.

[tomoose]

...had a program (apologies, I forget the name) in which the Turtle was reconstructed (based on what little archival info they could find) and they actually tried to repeat the mission using the same techniques and equipment. A fascinating program.
I'm sure if you do a search you'll find it somewhere on Youtube.
:salute:

[Diopos]

...had a program (apologies, I forget the name) in which the Turtle was reconstructed (based on what little archival info they could find) and they actually tried to repeat the mission using the same techniques and equipment. A fascinating program.
I'm sure if you do a search you'll find it somewhere on Youtube.
:salute:

If they tried to "repeat the mission using the same techniques and equipment" they would probably get the same results. How many people must drown in this worthless contraption? :hmmm:

:D

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[peabody]

If they tried to "repeat the mission using the same techniques and equipment" they would probably get the same results. How many people must drown in this worthless contraption? :hmmm:

:D

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He is talking about the Turtle not he Hunley. And some believe the story of the Turtle, some believe it to be phony.
The Turtle was built but it had two major problems, limited air supply and when they arrived at the ship they could not attach the "bomb" to the hull. It was to be screwed in but the ships hull was covered with sheets of copper.
So there were no reports of any men drowning in the Turtle.

Peabody

[Nisgeis]

...had a program (apologies, I forget the name) in which the Turtle was reconstructed (based on what little archival info they could find) and they actually tried to repeat the mission using the same techniques and equipment. A fascinating program.
I'm sure if you do a search you'll find it somewhere on Youtube.
:salute:
Tomoose, was that the one where they hollowed it out of a very large tree in one piece?

[razark]

...when they arrived at the ship they could not attach the "bomb" to the hull. It was to be screwed in but the ships hull was covered with sheets of copper.

Other reports are that the drill hit an iron plate, part of the rudder hinge, on the first attempt, and on the second attempt, the Turtle was unable to hold its position well enough to drill into the hull.

[tomoose]

Nisgeis;
yes, it was a solid lump of wood/log which they used initially.


Canada's version of the History Channel had the program although this link is somewhat lame and lacking further info;
http://www.history.ca/ontv/titledetails.aspx?titleid=70061

Here's a website on the team that did the reconstruction and explains how they did it;
http://www.history.ca/ontv/titledetails.aspx?titleid=70061

It indicates that it was a Discovery Channel/Channel 4 production. I can't find anything at the DC site and the Channel 4 site is blocked by my work firewall.

[Nisgeis]

That's the same link twice. I think I've seen it. They recreated a series of historic inventions.

[Roger Dodger]

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb239/RogerDodger1946/Turtle.jpg


"Turtle," as drawn in 1875 from the best information the artist could gather.
There are several important errors. It shows ballast tanks when there were none; it shows an Archimedes screw (helical) for locomotion instead of the propeller like the "arms of a wind mill" or a "pair of oars"described by Bushnell and others.
It also shows -- but this we may forgive -- the operator wearing a rather foppish late 19th-century outfit.
Source: http://www.submarine-history.com/NOVAone.htm

[Roger Dodger]

Here's a link to a great 5 minute video on YouTube from the Military Channel. Full scale model and animated presentation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZimWPThaY&NR=1&feature=fvwp

[Schwieger]

Well yes, but most modders i know over strive for realism, and thus, would probably limit the fuel to about....and hour? I mean, it would be great, but way to hard.

which makes it that much more fun :)