Farewell

[Lord Justice]

As my acting diffrently from your ideas or wishes, seems to have caused a stir, (unwanted attention) I feel it proper to quit my lot. My thoughts were to bring a little spice to add, to the (sometimes) bland soup. :woot: To everyone, my fellow sub simmers, farewell, it has been a privilege. :salute: To the subsim forum, thank you, (and look after my crew, there the best Ive ever had.) This is my last post thank you all, 4 para, steven, out.

[longam]

So you're coming back as John Wayne? :O:

[CaptainMattJ.]

well, that sucks. ive had my bad moments, and have been forgiven (maybe?). Its no reason to quit, unless he did something jaw dropping and downright completely vicious and cruel.

[ddrgn]

If a captain should be good for anything its rocking the boat!

See my posts, no love loss here either, but hey that's what makes the board so much fun ;]

[Venatore]

to the (sometimes) bland soup

Been here since 2005, nothing bland about this community :hmmm:

[robbo180265]

As my acting diffrently from your ideas or wishes, seems to have caused a stir, (unwanted attention) I feel it proper to quit my lot. My thoughts were to bring a little spice to add, to the (sometimes) bland soup. :woot: To everyone, my fellow sub simmers, farewell, it has been a privilege. :salute: To the subsim forum, thank you, (and look after my crew, there the best Ive ever had.) This is my last post thank you all, 4 para, steven, out.

Well that sucks - you've always brought a smile to my face when I read your posts, and although sometimes they may be a little difficult to undaerstand - there are other times when you make more sense than a few others around here:03:

I wish you all the best and I hope that you change your mind.

[JU_88]

As my acting diffrently from your ideas or wishes, seems to have caused a stir, (unwanted attention) I feel it proper to quit my lot. My thoughts were to bring a little spice to add, to the (sometimes) bland soup. :woot: To everyone, my fellow sub simmers, farewell, it has been a privilege. :salute: To the subsim forum, thank you, (and look after my crew, there the best Ive ever had.) This is my last post thank you all, 4 para, steven, out.

You're a crazy (Scottish?) schizophrenic bastard and you will be missed :D
Take care mate. :)

[Highbury]

I don't get it... it's all very dramatic... like this guy :|\\

[JU_88]

I don't get it... it's all very dramatic... like this guy :|\\

Absolutley its dramatic, people who post leaving threads on internet forums are always looking for some drama.
"I am Leaving for good" (except I will be back to check the responses to my leaving thread - maybe even reply to it?)

If some one really wants to leave a forum, they just leave quietly. Why bother posting goodbye? as they wont be coming back to see the replies if they are really going.
Not only that, but when people genuinely leave its because they have lost all intreast or no longer care.
But if you post a thread - it means you still care and are interested to see the responses!

Sorry if sound like a git, but that is one of the most basic traits of human behaviour.
For this reason I struggle to take 90% of 'leaving' threads seriously.

[JScones]

^ First thing I thought too, followed by the sound in my head of "join us again tomorrow night for the next dramatic bowl of spicy soup".

[JU_88]

^ First thing I thought, followed by the sound in my head of "join us again tomorrow night for the next dramatic bowl of spicy soup".


Absolutley JS, in fact 4Para's last login was:
Last Activity: 09-01-2010 01:25 AM (the time this thread was posted)

Lets check this again in 24 hours shall we?
That will be ultimate test to see if he is for real or not.

[robbo180265]

To me, there appears to be an element of the "pack mentality" about this whole thing. 4para was different, his style of posting also quite different and to me certainly it seemed as if some members felt it ok to pick on him because of this.

Whilst I agree that normally these "goodbye threads" are usually bad news, I wonder if perhaps 4Para feels a little let down by some members of the community and I wonder if he's checking to see if there is any remorse.

Food for thought eh?

[Kapitanleutnant]

bye

edit: 4para was different
The correct term is "mentally ill" okay.

[robbo180265]

bye

edit:
The correct term is "mentally ill" okay.


I rest my case..

[Takeda Shingen]

To me, there appears to be an element of the "pack mentality" about this whole thing. 4para was different, his style of posting also quite different and to me certainly it seemed as if some members felt it ok to pick on him because of this.

Whilst I agree that normally these "goodbye threads" are usually bad news, I wonder if perhaps 4Para feels a little let down by some members of the community and I wonder if he's checking to see if there is any remorse.

Food for thought eh?

I agree. Yes, his posting was different. However, there is no rule against it. He can type his responses in Morse if he so desires. What you never saw was 4Para attacking anyone. He was never rude, condecending or any other variation of nasty. Despite all of that, nasty is precisely what he got in return, and all because people didn't approve of his syntax. If that isn't juvenile, then I do not know what juvenile is.

Normally, I lock 'farewell' threads. Nothing good comes of them. In this case, I made an exception in the hopes that the community can learn and grow from this. Shame on us, collectively.

[Webster]

bye

edit:
The correct term is "mentally ill" okay.

you can still get infractions when insulting members who have left the community so its not "ok" to give parting shots :nope:


4para was, since the first day he joined, using different phrasing then most of us were used to reading and from what i am aware he sometimes had as much trouble properly understanding us as we had following his wording choices but i never saw any sign he wanted to cause any trouble.

all i am saying is the guy was different and wether that was real or just an act as some have questioned, he shouldnt be treated rude just because of that.

[Kapitanleutnant]

you can still get infractions when insulting members who have left the community so its not "ok" to give parting shots :nope:

Actually if you look at my post history I never once said a bad word to or about 4Para. I was just kidding around, but I guess it didn't come across that way.

[Takeda Shingen]

Ref: Post No. 13. Let's all just get along.

[JU_88]

I'm kidding around too, I got nothing against 4para, However I don't think there is any thing wrong with him, he just likes clowning around, no harm in that. ;)

[Nisgeis]

My thoughts were to bring a little spice to add, to the (sometimes) bland soup.

Never bland.

This is my last post thank you all, 4 para, steven, out.

You're welcome.

To me, there appears to be an element of the "pack mentality" about this whole thing.

The only time more than one person posted about 4Para was when 4Para tried to claim that his mock style was proper grammar, to which multiple people took exception to. This is entirely to be expected.

from what i am aware he sometimes had as much trouble properly understanding us as we had following his wording choices but i never saw any sign he wanted to cause any trouble.

4Para never had any problems understanding anyone else at all. He is not a secondary speaker of English and understood perfectly everything posed to him. He takes delight in bending the written word to his own ends, but has no trouble understanding anything in English. Granted, his communication was poor, so you may be forgiven for sometimes inferring that he didn't understand due to his woolly response, but there is no reason for him not to have understood. He is a native English speaker.

Absolutley JS, in fact 4Para's last login was:
Last Activity: 09-01-2010 01:25 AM (the time this thread was posted)

Lets check this again in 24 hours shall we?
That will be ultimate test to see if he is for real or not.

Last Activity: 09-01-2010 03:16 PM

He was never rude, condecending or any other variation of nasty. Despite all of that, nasty is precisely what he got in return, and all because people didn't approve of his syntax. If that isn't juvenile, then I do not know what juvenile is.

You seem to be forgetting all the snipes he made at Sailor Steve for no other reason that Sailor Steve once made the mistake of commenting on 4Para's grammar. From that moment on, it was as if 4Para had the green light to constantly pick on whatever Sailor Steve said. He was always brusing for a fight. If not a direct one with Sailor Steve, he'd often 'insert' himself into an argument between two other people (or preferably between Sailor Steve and someone else), by commenting on what one of them had said to try to get a response. You can say that all he got was nasty in return, but that's not true. He got many messages of support, saying that people enjoyed his style of posting. But as well, to say that he was always sweetness and light is to wear rose tinted spectacles, I'm afraid.

He was, as I recall very rude to Sailor Steve. Sailor Steve is of course well known as a pillar of the community, so to have someone attack him was quite jarring and particularly notable, as it takes a 'special kind' of person to hold a grudge against the affable Sailor Steve.

As I have posted before, as 4Para chose to post in an unusual way (chose as in it was a concious choice and not a result of a stroke), then he must like the drama attached to the deliberate mock style he chose. Therefore, as I also stated, he must like it when people respond to him, as it gives him the chance to respond. It seems he is always trying to 'get a response' so that he can post 'more of the same'.

Therefore, when he posts his argumentative interjections, he is simply seeking a response, to which he can respond to, so a response is what he wants, so all the people responding to him are just giving him what he wants, which is all good. The only other alternative is to just ignore him? That surely would be the cruelest option for such an attention seeker?

To 4Para, come about man and keep your powder dry from your tears. No good can come from the wettening of munitions, so steer yourself true man.

EDIT: Bottom line: Someone rage quits* the forums because they were drunk and it's now the community's fault? (* Last log on time indicates quittage has not occurred)

[John Channing]

Pretty well sums up my thoughts except to add I always saw his writing "style" as an attention getting device. The problem with attention getting devices is you can't control the type of attention you get.

That, and dramatic exits are boring and childish.

JCC

[Webster]

4Para never had any problems understanding anyone else at all. He is not a secondary speaker of English and understood perfectly everything posed to him. He takes delight in bending the written word to his own ends, but has no trouble understanding anything in English. Granted, his communication was poor, so you may be forgiven for sometimes inferring that he didn't understand due to his woolly response, but there is no reason for him not to have understood. He is a native English speaker.



lots of english speaking members often get upset over missunderstandings of remarks taken the wrong way or out of context such as your statement that i need to be forgiven for my comments ???

your obvious issues with 4para is evident in your writting but that is no reason or excuse to devalue anyone elses opinions

[Nisgeis]

lots of english speaking members often get upset over missunderstandings of remarks taken the wrong way or out of context such as your statement that i need to be forgiven for my comments ???

your obvious issues with 4para is evident in your writting but that is no reason or excuse to devalue anyone elses opinions

Are you upset by that? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset you. However, 4Para is not someone whose behaviour needs to be mitigated by a lack of understanding. You understood me perfectly well, but if you choose to make an issue of a false understanding that you have created, then that too is your choice. It does not however mean that you did not understand me.

I have no issue with 4Para and have previsouly posted that his posts were entertaining. This aside, I am not devaluing your opinion that 4Para cannot understand English properly, to put it in clearer language I am just saying you are wrong that he cannot understand it. You are right that you are entitled to an opinion, but that does not mean that your opinion is right, nor does it mean that a contrary opinion devalues yours. This is central to a healthy debate no? We aren't going to get into a weird situation where disagreeing with someone means you are trampling on their right to an opinion are we? Let alone that being an 'excuse' for anything.

[Webster]

Are you upset by that? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset you. However, 4Para is not someone whose behaviour needs to be mitigated by a lack of understanding. You understood me perfectly well, but if you choose to make an issue of a false understanding that you have created, then that too is your choice. It does not however mean that you did not understand me.

I have no issue with 4Para and have previsouly posted that his posts were entertaining. This aside, I am not devaluing your opinion that 4Para cannot understand English properly, to put it in clearer language I am just saying you are wrong that he cannot understand it. You are right that you are entitled to an opinion, but that does not mean that your opinion is right, nor does it mean that a contrary opinion devalues yours. This is central to a healthy debate no? We aren't going to get into a weird situation where disagreeing with someone means you are trampling on their right to an opinion are we? Let alone that being an 'excuse' for anything.

no it did not upset me, i was stating what i deal with on a regular basis every day as a modderator of two people giving opposing opinions "thinking" the other guys starting something only to get 6 PM's into it when everyone figures out nobody ment any insult to anyone and they end up being friends. it happens several times a week every week over clearly worded posts that something bad is wrongly percieved to be meant.

4para got into numerous issues trying to be "cute" or say something he thought was obvious as humour only to find the other party got insulted and IMO he really didnt mean it but chit happens and sometimes people hold grudges.

because of my personal experiences i posted what i did but im not trying to say 4para is or isnt anything, he might be a good guy or he might be a jerk but i can only base my opinion on the limited involvement i had with him and i also temper my opinions on everyone with the experiences i have had as a modderator that things arent always as they seam and none of us always know the full story behind everthing.

[Ducimus]

Does anyone else besides me, really not give a crap that he says he's leaving?

[robbo180265]

Are you upset by that? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset you. However, 4Para is not someone whose behaviour needs to be mitigated by a lack of understanding. You understood me perfectly well, but if you choose to make an issue of a false understanding that you have created, then that too is your choice. It does not however mean that you did not understand me.

I have no issue with 4Para and have previsouly posted that his posts were entertaining. This aside, I am not devaluing your opinion that 4Para cannot understand English properly, to put it in clearer language I am just saying you are wrong that he cannot understand it. You are right that you are entitled to an opinion, but that does not mean that your opinion is right, nor does it mean that a contrary opinion devalues yours. This is central to a healthy debate no? We aren't going to get into a weird situation where disagreeing with someone means you are trampling on their right to an opinion are we? Let alone that being an 'excuse' for anything.

Your actions last night were borderline bullying - he actually pm'd me and asked me what was going on. Unfortunately I was playing wow and therefore was unable to read the posts - I just said that you had a dry sense of humour and was probably playing with him. It wasn't till later that I saw the extent of your posting.

Yes he logged on today - he pm'd me again to say farewell and said that he was picking up as many downloads as he could.

Dressing up your actions as standing up for Steve or whatever else you decide you were defending holds no water for me matey - its there for us all to see.

And thats the last I will say about this whole affair.

[Dowly]

Does anyone else besides me, really not give a crap that he says he's leaving?

:yep:

[longam]

Does anyone else besides me, really not give a crap that he says he's leaving?

Its like a person we had in a voice chat program, he always had to speak in a old bloody English accent, got annoying real fast.

[SteelViking]

Does anyone else besides me, really not give a crap that he says he's leaving?

Yep.

[CaptainMattJ.]

i dont care all too much either, being because i never saw very much of Para4, but it also sucks to lose what seemed to be a bright character who shed some comedy once in a while.

[Sailor Steve]

The only time more than one person posted about 4Para was when 4Para tried to claim that his mock style was proper grammar, to which multiple people took exception to. This is entirely to be expected.
I agree with that, to the best of my memory, and I agree with your assessment of his actual English-speaking abilities.

But...
You seem to be forgetting all the snipes he made at Sailor Steve for no other reason that Sailor Steve once made the mistake of commenting on 4Para's grammar. From that moment on, it was as if 4Para had the green light to constantly pick on whatever Sailor Steve said. He was always brusing for a fight. If not a direct one with Sailor Steve, he'd often 'insert' himself into an argument between two other people (or preferably between Sailor Steve and someone else), by commenting on what one of them had said to try to get a response.
I didn't really see him as picking on me, or on anything I said. In fact, he did PM me several times to discuss, in his odd manner, what had been said and what I thought of it. While I never really considered him a friend, I also didn't think of him as a bad person or as a troll, though sometimes it's hard to be sure.

I also tried to explain why some people did have a negative reaction, and he seemed to take it in stride.

He was, as I recall very rude to Sailor Steve. Sailor Steve is of course well known as a pillar of the community, so to have someone attack him was quite jarring and particularly notable, as it takes a 'special kind' of person to hold a grudge against the affable Sailor Steve.
Again you may be right, or you may be seeing it in a different light, but I never actually felt any real animosity from him or for him.

That said, it is hard to take someone seriously when you're not sure what they're trying to say, or if they're trying to say anything at all.

[Krauter]

Does anyone else besides me, really not give a crap that he says he's leaving?

Amen to that brother.

One less Drama Queen is +1 to this forum.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

I hope you left your wallet before exiting. I need the cash.:D:D

[Reece]

I for one had nothing against 4Para whatsoever! I quite liked his "Old English gentleman's speech", I'm kinda sad to see him go!:hmmm:
Well I'm off for a jolly good cuppa tea!!:yep:

[Task Force]

err, oddly enough, till now, I never knew he existed.:yep:

[McBeck]

Too bad he left...I enjoyed the different posting style...it kept things different.

And we as a community should be open to people who are different.
That he PMed Steve after the "incident", tells me that he wanted to make sure that Steve was not mad at him. If he was a dramaqueen, he would have continued the drama in public. I think he is just more emotional than most of the people here.

[JScones]

If that isn't juvenile, then I do not know what juvenile is.
How about starting a thread announcing that you're leaving the community? :hmmm:

Does anyone else besides me, really not give a crap that he says he's leaving?
Not an issue for me either way - he's on my ignore list anyway so I only get to "enjoy" his ramblings when others quote them (ie such as in this thread).

The ignore list is, IMHO, a great way to deal with Subsim "white noise" (and the best thing is, it doesn't judge the member either, so ignore one, ignore many, the choice is yours). :up:

[Venatore]

No wonder you never talk to me JScones :har: Damn ignore list :damn:

[JScones]

:har:

Rest assured, only one person has made it so far. And you would be one of the last on my list. :up:

[robbo180265]

:har:

Rest assured, only one person has made it so far. And you would be one of the last on my list. :up:

OMG it's me isn't it? :O:

[JScones]

Yes, it's you robbo.

Oh, wait.

:haha:

[robbo180265]

Yes, it's you robbo.

Oh, wait.

:haha:

:har:

[Jimbuna]

:har:

Rest assured, only one person has made it so far. And you would be one of the last on my list. :up:

You said you'd never kiss and tell :oops:

OMG it's me isn't it? :O:

Good job he doesn't know what type of capital of the south Brighton is really best known as :DL

Back OT........I never had a problem with the guy and he always used 'normal' prose when he PM'd me....well he would have to seeing as how I'm a Geordie :DL

Fair winds and following seas bonny lad.....cya dafta :up:

[Nufsed]

As my acting diffrently from your ideas or wishes, seems to have caused a stir, (unwanted attention) I feel it proper to quit my lot. My thoughts were to bring a little spice to add, to the (sometimes) bland soup. :woot: To everyone, my fellow sub simmers, farewell, it has been a privilege. :salute: To the subsim forum, thank you, (and look after my crew, there the best Ive ever had.) This is my last post thank you all, 4 para, steven, out.

I'm sorry, I think you have me confused with someone that gives a ****! :88)