Muslim Soldier Refuses to Deploy Overseas

[Spike88]

A U.S. Army soldier wants to leave the military service as a conscientious objector based on his beliefs as a Muslim, but he says he’s concerned he may be deployed to Afghanistan anyway.
Pfc. Naser [sic] Abdo, 20, an infantryman assigned to the 101st Airborne Division at Fort Campbell, Ky., said Monday that if the military orders him to deploy, he will refuse to go despite the fact that it may result in a military charge against him.

http://weaselzippers.us/2010/08/24/muslim-soldier-wants-to-leave-army/


Sounds like someone just wanted attention. Why else would he join the Army in 09 knowing that he'd most likely get sent overseas? :down:


CNN footage via Military.com
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=219417&page=1

Anyone notice he seems to smirk a lot during this video?

[TLAM Strike]

Conscientious objector? Fine you can stay in the rear with the gear! Oh he didn't even want to do that! :roll:

You join the army and go in the airborne what did you expect? Did you not know that the airborne are one of the most deployed units? :nope:

If you are a Muslim but don't want to risk fighting other Muslims then join the USCG.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Conscientious objector?

Personally, I don't even understand this whole "conscientious objector" concept. If you are drafted, then it is every citizen's duty to serve. If it is a All-Volunteer military, you volunteered. What right do you have to squeak "Religion" or whatever and get out of it... you might as well get out of taxes...

[TarJak]

Personally, I don't even understand this whole "conscientious objector" concept. If you are drafted, then it is every citizen's duty to serve. If it is a All-Volunteer military, you volunteered. What right do you have to squeak "Religion" or whatever and get out of it... you might as well get out of taxes...
Volunteer joins the army and then volunteers for Airborne and then say no won't go on religious grounds?:doh::88) Anyone else think something doesn't add up?

Didn't the guy realise joining up and airborne duty in a unit called the 1st Brigade Combat Team might mean actually killing someone some time?

[ETR3(SS)]

Send him to a General Court Martial and kick him out with a BCD, pretty cut and dry.

[Spike88]

Volunteer joins the army and then volunteers for Airborne and then say no won't go on religious grounds?:doh::88) Anyone else think something doesn't add up?

Didn't the guy realise joining up and airborne duty in a unit called the 1st Brigade Combat Team might mean actually killing someone some time?


There is the possibility that he is spying. :hmmm:

[TarJak]

Send him to a General Court Martial and kick him out with a BCD, pretty cut and dry.
Agree, only difference is he's gone to the media. Most flakes don't do that.
There is the possibility that he is spying. :hmmm:Pretty silly drawing attention to himself in the media then isn't he?

[Raptor1]

There is the possibility that he is spying. :hmmm:

What use is a spy who is a Private that doesn't go into battle, anyway?

[Spike88]

Pretty silly drawing attention to himself in the media then isn't he?
He doesn't seem like the brightest. :haha:

Although I guess we should be glad he backed out now, and not when he was actually over there. Costing someone their life because he wimped out on his squad.

[UnderseaLcpl]

What a piece of garbage. I don't have an eloquently-worded opinion at the moment. This guy just needs his ass kicked. Repeatedly. Doubly so for that damn smirk on his face.

I'm normally a pretty laid-back guy. I don't get riled easily, and I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and forgive them when they mess up. The way I see it, we're all just people in this crazy world, and when someone else isn't screwing something up or doing something stupid, I usually am. So please understand the significance of what I say when I tell you that I just about popped a vein when I read this [expletive] at 1:15
The Army and Fort Campbell recognize that even in our all-volunteer force, a soldier's moral, ethical, or religious beliefs are subject to change over time.

Oh, f-ing really!? You know what doesn't change over time? The mother----ing contract and your oath, sworn before God and your countrymen to uphold the Constitution and defend these United States with your life, if need be. That means obeying the UCMJ, and that means obeying lawful orders.

So where in the frak does this unbelievable, cowardly, indescribably detestable piece of fecal rot get off refusing a lawful order to deploy? Who the hell is this spokesman, and what is wrong with him? What is this "rights", BS? You know how many rights you have in my military? NONE! You have a goddamn mission to complete is what you have!

This....disgusting pile of refuse that somehow obtained classification as a human being, let alone a soldier, is a stain that can never be washed out of the uniform that men and women have proudly fought and died in. Even if he is court-martialed and subsequently atomized by a nuclear blast, and every trace of him is completely wiped off of the face of the earth forever, the uniform, and the people who wear it, will never be rid of the shame. Forevermore, they will have to admit that this honorless son of a bitch was allowed into their ranks, if only for a time. It will never go away. Not ever.

Beating the living crap out of this guy with a wrench would make me feel better, but the damage is already done. I was going to conclude by saying something meaningful, but honestly, I'm just consumed by the idea of beating PFC Abdo's face into a pulpy mess with the butt of my rifle, so I got nothin'.

[Skybird]

Unacceptable. If he would be a conscript, he would have a point - or not (even in draft systems like the German you can refuse to serve in the military and do some charity work instead). But as a volunteer who had not had a gun pointed at his head when putting his name on the form, he has no freedom to pick the wars he want to do and and refuse those that he does not want.

It's not even as if the military would have treated him especially harsh, by letting him run his third tour in a row without break or soemthign like that. In such a case I possibly could have sympathy for such a guy, depending on the special characteristics of the single case.

For me this is just another muhammeddan guy demanding special status and special rights and special attention for his super-dooper-ideology.

Dishonourable discharge is not the clever thing, because "dishonourable" means nothing to him anyway, and letting him go is just an encouragement for others like him, now seeing that this door swings open indeed if they kick against it. There is a reason why the military police is hunting deserters for years, it has something to do with maintaining discipline in the troops. So: send him over and put him into the first attack line. :arrgh!:

[Skybird]

Find back to your usually calm temper, James. :DL :O:

[Dimitrius07]

Whats wrong Spikebabe SS, your allies give you a hard time? How sad :wah:

[JSLTIGER]

What a piece of garbage. I don't have an eloquently-worded opinion at the moment. This guy just needs his ass kicked. Repeatedly. Doubly so for that damn smirk on his face.

I'm normally a pretty laid-back guy. I don't get riled easily, and I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and forgive them when they mess up. The way I see it, we're all just people in this crazy world, and when someone else isn't screwing something up or doing something stupid, I usually am. So please understand the significance of what I say when I tell you that I just about popped a vein when I read this [expletive] at 1:15


Oh, f-ing really!? You know what doesn't change over time? The mother----ing contract and your oath, sworn before God and your countrymen to uphold the Constitution and defend these United States with your life, if need be. That means obeying the UCMJ, and that means obeying lawful orders.

So where in the frak does this unbelievable, cowardly, indescribably detestable piece of fecal rot get off refusing a lawful order to deploy? Who the hell is this spokesman, and what is wrong with him? What is this "rights", BS? You know how many rights you have in my military? NONE! You have a goddamn mission to complete is what you have!

...

Beating the living crap out of this guy with a wrench would make me feel better, but the damage is already done. I was going to conclude by saying something meaningful, but honestly, I'm just consumed by the idea of beating PFC Abdo's face into a pulpy mess with the butt of my rifle, so I got nothin'.

I'm inclined to agree with the above (less the redacted paragraph). Not only did he take an oath, he has been PAID by taxpayer money to do a job that HE CHOSE TO DO! So it was OK to accept the clothes, shelter, and paycheck, but it's not OK to do what you're being paid to do?! I don't think so! If he didn't want to fight other Muslims, then he should have looked more deeply into the Army, what it does, and more importantly who it was fighting when he joined.

You can't send him into battle, he may turn on our own guys...something which is unacceptable. But you can't kick him out either. Therefore, the solution is simple. Leavenworth.

[bradclark1]

If you are a Muslim but don't want to risk fighting other Muslims then join the USCG.
USCG also have units deployed in Iraq.

[Sailor Steve]

Whats wrong Spikebabe SS, your allies give you a hard time? How sad :wah:
^^ Trolling at its finest. ^^

[Dimitrius07]

^^ Trolling at its finest. ^^

Why? I asked a simple question. Its not secret that many nazis support Muslims just like Hitler and his followers "88" guys supported Mufti. You not going to deny that do you? Nazis are goooooootttttt. Very Goootttt :rock:. Especially when they ideology don't fit reality and they start to cry :wah:

[Morts]

Why? I asked a simple question. Its not secret that many nazis support Muslims just like Hitler and his followers "88" guys supported Mufti. You not going to deny that do you? Nazis are goooooootttttt. Very Goootttt :rock:. Especially when they ideology don't fit reality and they start to cry :wah:
before you continue your sad attempt at trolling, read this thread
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170392

[FIREWALL]

Court Martial and 10 yrs hard labor at Leavenworth.

[Dimitrius07]

before you continue your sad attempt at trolling, read this thread
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170392

In fact, this thread wich you show me, is an example how trolls use something as sad pathetic excuse. You see, action speak louder then words ^^. Well while we at it, why your friend made thread about it? Maybe and just maybe he tried to made some nasty little hint about his personality. So you can`t fool anyone. Atleast give some reasons to your master race to be proud of. Bye:salute:

[Raptor1]

Have you any proof besides your accusations of his name?

[Dowly]

In fact, this thread wich you show me, is an example how trolls use something as sad pathetic excuse. You see, action speak louder then words ^^. Well while we at it, why your friend made thread about it? Maybe and just maybe he tried to made some nasty little hint about his personality. So you can`t fool anyone. Atleast give some reasons to your master race to be proud of. Bye:salute:

You are silly. :yep:

[Spike88]

Have you any proof besides your accusations of his name?


No, he hasn't. He's been harassing me ever since that topic. But it's impossible to convince a troll to leave you alone.

[Raptor1]

That's not very nice.

Well, it shouldn't really be necessery to convince a troll to leave you alone, as far as I'm aware such blatant personal attacks are quite against the rules...

[SteamWake]

Best is not to feed the troll.

About this soldier, how about this... He does not want to put his training into practice make him pay back for the training :salute:

[Spike88]

About this soldier, how about this... He does not want to put his training into practice make him pay back for the training :salute:

I do agree. If he does get out he should have to pay back any training he received. Especially if he tries to claim the college credits for taking part in bootcamp.

[Sailor Steve]

Why? I asked a simple question. Its not secret that many nazis support Muslims just like Hitler and his followers "88" guys supported Mufti. You not going to deny that do you? Nazis are goooooootttttt. Very Goootttt :rock:. Especially when they ideology don't fit reality and they start to cry :wah:
Not a simple question, but an insulting attack. I disagree with a lot of Sky's ideas myself, but what you said adds nothing to the conversation but rudeness.

[Dimitrius07]

Have you any proof besides your accusations of his name?

Yes in fact. His behaviour. I guess its ok for people like him attack others but when i attack him he start to throw infraction warnings left and right. As i can see someone just made a nice warm new cave to himself^^. Shame its on "expense" of others. I `am done here, bye :salute:.

[Raptor1]

That hardly constitutes evidence...

What happened to the times when you asked someone for proof and they would either present it or shout "You'll never take me alive!" and beat a hasty escape?

[Dimitrius07]

Attention. 88spike alert!!!

According to the theories of this 4chan fanboy, every Jewish person is a troll on the internet:damn:. I am lost for words. Take that as an another conspiracy.

[razark]

...shout "You'll never take me alive!" and beat a hasty escape?
Does this count? (Edit: I guess not, seeing as he didn't actually leave.)
I `am done here, bye


Now, if he had some quotes or links to posts, that would be different. But it seems all he has is accusations.

[Tribesman]

What a plonker.:down:

[Dimitrius07]

That hardly constitutes evidence...

What happened to the times when you asked someone for proof and they would either present it or shout "You'll never take me alive!" and beat a hasty escape?

Last time when i spoke my mind i got banned by false claims of the modderator:yeah:. So i don`t know who hit the escape first, me or YOU. As i sad, bye!!!

[Raptor1]

Does this count?


No, and not only because that statement is grossly inaccurate.

[August]

I knew I had heard of the number 88 being used without some stupid nazi connotation:

From wikipedia:

88 is used as shorthand for 'hugs and kisses' when signing a message in Amateur (ham) Radio. It is used in spoken word (radio-telephony) morse code (radio-telegraphy) and in various digital modes. It is considered rather more intimate than '73', which (roughly) means 'best regards', and therefore 73 is more often used. The two may be used together. Sometimes the 88 or 73 is pluralized by appending an s, which is incorrect.[4] These number codes are at least a century old.

[Sailor Steve]

Yes in fact. His behaviour. I guess its ok for people like him attack others but when i attack him he start to throw infraction warnings left and right. As i can see someone just made a nice warm new cave to himself^^. Shame its on "expense" of others.
Sky has a hard arguing style, but where exactly has he attacked others? You don't argue with people, you just throw insults, which is not the same thing.

I `am done here, bye :salute:.
If only it were true.

Attention. 88spike alert!!!
I thought you were done here.
:rotfl2:

[Morts]

Last time when i spoke my mind i got banned by false claims of the modderator:yeah:. So i don`t know who hit the escape first, me or YOU. As i sad, bye!!!
oh waah waah, the troll got brigged...no one cares :yawn:

[Tribesman]

Last time when i spoke my mind i got banned by false claims of the modderator
That can't be correct.
Definately something wrong there.:hmmm:
Ah I see it now, he said he spoke his mind, thats an impossibility.

[Sailor Steve]

Last time when i spoke my mind i got banned by false claims of the modderator:yeah:.
The claims weren't false. You attacked people but added nothing to the discussion. Apparently you still can't see the difference.

So i don`t know who hit the escape first, me or YOU. As i sad, bye!!!
Promises, promises! :yawn:

[Wreford-Brown]

Conscientious objectors have served as medics in the British Army and some of them went on to win Victoria Crosses for their valour on the battlefield. Medics really are the bravest of the brave so let's make this guy serve as a medic and see what he's really made of.

I've fought alongside Muslim soldiers, both British and Afghan, and trust them equally to my Christian colleagues. Religion is less important than the personal relationships and trust you build up on the battlefield. Maybe the guy could become a mentor to the Afghans or Iraqis - they share a religion and they could teach him a great deal about courage.

[Dimitrius07]

I thought you were done here.

Some provocators never gave up you know ^^.

[Sailor Steve]

Some provocators never gave up you know ^^.
Nor do some trolls.

[August]

As i sad, bye!!!

Well "88" then... :DL

[Spike88]

Yes in fact. His behaviour. I guess its ok for people like him attack others but when i attack him he start to throw infraction warnings left and right. As i can see someone just made a nice warm new cave to himself^^. Shame its on "expense" of others. I `am done here, bye :salute:.


When have I ever attacked others?


And when have I ever given proof that I like or even visit 4chan?
:yawn:

[AVGWarhawk]

http://www.funcage.com/photos/birds-are-like-people.gif (http://www.funcage.com/?)

Come on gents...is it really worth the effort?

[Dowly]

But it's impossible to convince a troll to leave you alone.

You could try: "Yes, I'm a Neo-Nazi! Happy now!? Now shut up or I go all Final Solution on your arse!" :hmmm:

[Tchocky]

Tell him that if he opens his big mouth again, IT'S LAMPSHADE TIME!

[August]

http://www.funcage.com/photos/birds-are-like-people.gif (http://www.funcage.com/?)

Come on gents...is it really worth the effort?

That cool picture is worth the effort of quoting. :salute:

[Dowly]

:haha::haha:

[Sailor Steve]

I've had it brought to my attention that back in post #36 I misposted, in the mistaken belief that it was Skybird who was being attacked, when in fact it was Spike88.

I apologize to Spike, and also point out that it doesn't make any difference. The way Demetrius is posting is trolling, pure and simple.

[Skybird]

I've had it brought to my attention that back in post #36 I misposted, in the mistaken belief that it was Skybird who was being attacked, when in fact it was Spike88.


Thank you for that intention of providing covering fire. To be honest it took me some time, too, to realise that I was not the intended target.

[Dimitrius07]

You could try: "Yes, I'm a Neo-Nazi! Happy now!? Now shut up or I go all Final Solution on your arse!" :hmmm:

You mean like last time when you lost in a deep Russian snow crying like a little girl? Strange for a "pure race". Just before you do Final Solution on me, make sure that you first help you Croatianazi friends throw baby's head first into a wall, and don`t forget to post your "heroic" actions on youtube.:D

BTW. Just give me a shout when you come for me, your look will probably scare some gentile kids :o:dead:. And that is not gooootttttt

See. I don`t have to prove anything. Its all here:rock:. Damn amateurs :nope:

[Dowly]

Heey, you hurt my feelings there. :cry:

[Morts]

You mean like last time when you lost in a deep Russian snow crying like a little girl? Strange for a "pure race". Just before you do Final Solution on me, make sure that you first help you Croatianazi friends throw baby's head first into a wall, and don`t forget to post your "heroic" actions on youtube.:D

BTW. Just give me a shout when you come for me, your look will probably scare some gentile kids :o:dead:. And that is not gooootttttt

See. I don`t have to prove anything. Its all here:rock:. Damn amateurs :nope:
hey, why dont you brand me a nazi as well :DL 3 of my family members fought for the nazis, 1 in the Wehrmacht, 1 in the Ustaše and 1 in the Luftwaffe
that makes me a nazi in your eyes, doesnt it ?

[Spike88]

hey, why dont you brand me a nazi as well :DL 3 of my family members fought for the nazis, 1 in the Wehrmacht, 1 in the Ustaše and 1 in the Luftwaffe
that makes me a nazi in your eyes, doesnt it ?
You don't have numbers in your name that he can take offense to.

[ETR3(SS)]

You don't have numbers in your name that he can take offense to.There's a 3 in mine, does that make me a nazi?

[Tribesman]

You don't have numbers in your name that he can take offense to.
Get real Spike , he is probably a troll from stormfront out to make Israelis look bad, I mean no one could really be as brainless as he is being could they?

[Morts]

There's a 3 in mine, does that make me a nazi?
yep :rotfl2:

[ETR3(SS)]

yep :rotfl2:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UPvjPe4vcPY/S_bf3ljh0RI/AAAAAAAAAN0/oPlBs9vdXo8/s1600/kijinnmaru-inconceivable.jpg

[Dimitrius07]

Heey, you hurt my feelings there. :cry:

And since i`am not as pure as you my feelings don`t count, not that i care much about it but still. This is supose to be a multinational forum not a SS junk or something. Tell me when you done with lame provocation, we will discuss the extra 10 milion gentile slaves from Europe plan wich your hero failed to accomplish.

[Morts]

And since i`am not as pure as you my feelings don`t count, not that i care much about it but still. This is supose to be a multinational forum not a SS junk or something. Tell me when you done with lame provocation, we will discuss the extra 10 milion gentile slaves from Europe plan wich your hero failed to accomplish.
:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:oh god, you're killing me:rotfl2::rotfl2:

[Dimitrius07]

You don't have numbers in your name that he can take offense to.

At least i don`t attack cartoonists :yeah:. Mohamed the pedophile siting on the tree..... looking for hot blondes on the internet :woot:

[Morts]

soo, im not a nazi :DL?

:rotfl2::rotfl2:

[Spike88]

At least i don`t attack cartoonists :yeah:. Mohamed the pedophile siting on the tree..... looking for hot blondes on the internet :woot:


Seems like someone is grasping at straws. Running out of troll material? :hmmm:

[Raptor1]

This is rather amusing...

[Dowly]

Very. I felt kinda bad when OTH was given the boot, but seems like he has an worthy successor. :yep:

[Dimitrius07]

Very. I felt kinda bad when OTH was given the boot, but seems like he has an worthy successor. :yep:

If only you knew how much you wrong with this statement:har:. So master clown. You ready for your gentile Arian girls with big @@@@ as you like?

[Morts]

If only you knew how much you wrong with this statement:har:. So master clown. You ready for your gentile Arian girls with big @@@@ as you like?
lolumad?

[Dimitrius07]

lolumad?
whooooooooooooooooottttttttttttttttt:o

[ETR3(SS)]

If only you knew how much you wrong with this statement:har:. So master clown. You ready for your gentile Aryan girls with big @@@@ as you like?
Fixed that for ya.:03:

Ar·i·an

 [air-ee-uhhttp://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngn, ar-]
–adjective1.of or pertaining to Arius or Arianism.

–noun2.an adherent of Arianism.

[Webster]

anyway, back on topic:

this guy is just another worm who joined for the free benefits and education then says "oops, never mind, i've taken all the freebees now i want to leave" without serving to pay for them as he agreed to.

until they start making these guys pay full value plus intrest for the training they got this will keep happening.

you want to not serve? fine repay uncle sam $150,000.00 and you can go home and play with your toys, if not be a man (or woman) and live up to your agreement

[Platapus]

Send him to a General Court Martial and kick him out with a BCD, pretty cut and dry.

I would agree. It is hard to justify being a conchie in an all volunteer service.

I bet he had no problems taking the military paycheck. Well, the military ain't paying you just because they like you. They are paying you so they can use you. :yep:

[razark]

If his views did indeed shift while he was in the service, I'm sure someone remembers seeing him going to visit the chaplain quite often.

Otherwise, :nope:.

[JSLTIGER]

Tell him that if he opens his big mouth again, IT'S LAMPSHADE TIME!

For the record, I take offense to this one and the one above, and I'm not trolling. Neither of them are funny nor amusing in the slightest, they're just insensitive.

[Tchocky]

For the record, I take offense to this one and the one above, and I'm not trolling. Neither of them are funny nor amusing in the slightest, they're just insensitive.


Source - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZWHKaOJljQ

Herr Hilter - Not much fun in Stalingrad, no.