Subsim tactical gaming

[Arclight]

Right, so we've been thinking: might be nice to get a group together for some gaming. We've already got the Lolwaffles for Il-2 and SSC for ArmA going here, so maybe we can expand into some new territory.

Focus goes to more realistic games, first person shooters mainly, Red Orchestra for example. Something like Men of War (real-time strategy) gets my vote as well, but haven't really discussed it yet.

The idea is not to form a strict group, just to make some connections between people so you know there's always someone or several people you know you can play a game with. Personally I'm not (or was not) that big on MP: I just started exploring that as I made some friends here on SS really. Seems that all too often you just get stuck with the wrong poeple if you don't know anyone.

Before nailing down times and a name, let's gage if there's any interest. So, feel free to comment on the idea. Any thoughts and suggestions are welcome.



Actually, I'm sure Dowly has some brilliant suggestions for a name. :DL

[Dowly]

Actually, I'm sure Dowly has some brilliant suggestions for a name. :DL

Subsim Mariners, SSM/SM

Subsim Submariners, SSS/SS

Subsim Shore Party, SSSP/SSP

Subsim Seamen Samples, SSSS/SSS

Subsim Sympathetic Nobodies, SSSN/SSN

SubSim Blow Negative, SSBN/SBN

Take your pick, all names courtesy of Arclight. :O:

[Raptor1]

Actually, I'm sure Dowly has some brilliant suggestions for a name. :DL

all names courtesy of Arclight. :O:

What manner of conspiracy is this?!

[Arclight]

He wants Subsim Seamen Samples. I didn't want to force poeple into it, so I said he was in charge of naming. He refuses to pick.

Impasse ensues. :DL

[Dowly]

I think Subsim Seamen Samples is a wonderful name! :shifty:

[Lionclaw]

STUD - Subsim's Tactically Unique Donkeys
TASS :oops: - Tactically Adept SubSimmers
MUCK - Madly Universal Crazy Klowns
STD - Subsim Tactical Drones
STAT - Subsim Tactical Assault Team
SSDOL - Submerged Scuba Divers On Land
ICNCUWAMNATM - I Can Not Come Up With Any More Names At The Moment

[Dowly]

STAT's kinda cool. :yep:

[Raptor1]

SLBM - Subsim's Lunatic Battle Monkeys?

[Gerald]

SLBM - Subsim's Lunatic Battle Monkeys? :haha:

[Arclight]

TASM - Tactically Asinine Subsim Mongrels

[Oberon]

STAB - Subsim Tactical Armed Bastards

[Arclight]

Ha! That's perfect. :yeah:

[Dowly]

Aye, that's a keeper. :rock:

[Oberon]

http://sarcasticbite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/gene_hunt_quattro.jpg

The Guv would be proud :yeah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5fr1b24yII

[Dowly]

FYI, I made an steam group for STAB, for ease of communication and all that crap:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/SubsimBastards

[Takeda Shingen]

That would be really cool, but I am not so good with FPSes.

[Dowly]

That would be really cool, but I am not so good with FPSes.

No ones perfect. :03: Arclight hadn't really played anything online, then he got bunched up with people from here and now he's playing plenty of games online with peeps from Subsim. :yep: Like Oberon would put it: Great success! :yeah:

[mr chris]

Count me in just need to pick up RO and join the group, when i next get on my Computer.

[Oberon]

That would be really cool, but I am not so good with FPSes.

That makes two of us :yep::haha: Still, I get by. :up:

[mr chris]

Just purchased Red Orchestra OstFront on steam for £6.99
It came with Darkest Hour and Mare Nostum.

[Highbury]

It came with Darkest Hour and Mare Nostum.

Those are free mods for RO ;)

For another cheap tactical game you guys may want to check out the Insurgency Mod for HL2 engine. Many of the original development team are the same guys that started Red Orchestra. The play feels alot like RO did before the addition of vehicles, and of course is set in the modern Middle East. (the teams are US Marines vs "Insurgents")

It is definitely more "pick up and go" then Arma, but still has a good tactical shooter feel to it.

[Oberon]

I concur, it's been a while since I've played insurgency although it is a nice game, I didn't know it was done by the same guys as RO, but it makes sense, it's got that feel to it. I recall playing as the Insurgents and facing up against a two man US sniper team, they were good...but they were using the in game speak to communicate, I approached and dropped behind a wall, and then threw a smoke grenade at them. "Hey, where did he go?!" suddenly come over the chat "I can't see a damn thing now!"
Unfortunately as I ran towards them to give them a taste of AK...the smoke dispersed.... :dead:

[Weiss Pinguin]

What are the system reqs for insurgency? I guess my old FX 5200 would be pretty sorely taxed?

[Highbury]

I didn't know it was done by the same guys as RO

Not the whole team, some of the same people. The Lead on RO left to start Insurgency, some went with him and I know of at least one that went to work on America's Army. With both games though, I doubt there are any of the original guys left.

@Pinguin, I would guess the requirements are the same as HL2 since it is just a mod for it. Mods can tend to be a bit more FPS heavy then the base game though.

System requirements
Minimum:
1.7 GHz processor,
512 MB RAM,
128MB Video card,
20GB available Hard drive space,
DirectX 8 level graphics card,
Windows 2000/XP/Vista,
Internet connection

[Castout]

Well for starter the forum is called subsim so where's the sub sim? :DL

Could Dangerous Waters with DWX 1.2 be listed among the games?

or at least ArmA 2/Arrowhead....lol

or even ETW or NTW(Napoleon Total War)


As for name I'm not good with names but maybe I'll coin one out . . . .

whatever the next fellow suggest :O:

[Arclight]

Dangerous Waters is certainly something I would agree to. Dowly mentioned it as well a while back. :hmmm:

[Raptor1]

Dangerous Waters could be nice, I think.

[Oberon]

DW is awesome :yeah: With or without LWAMI? :hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

Oh, I'd sign on for DW.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Same here :yep: Someone's gotta be your moving target! :haha:

[papa_smurf]

How about we start a COD4 clan? Been itching to get back to COD4, and pwning noobs:D

If we do, we'll need a suitable name - over to Dowly.

[Raptor1]

How about we start a COD4 clan? Been itching to get back to COD4, and pwning noobs:D

If we do, we'll need a suitable name - over to Dowly.

BURN HIM! :stare:

:O:

[Dowly]

Good luck on finding players for COD4 here. :DL

[papa_smurf]

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa_smurf http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1485451#post1485451)
How about we start a COD4 clan? Been itching to get back to COD4, and pwning noobs:D

If we do, we'll need a suitable name - over to Dowly.

BURN HIM! :stare:

:O::lost:

(edit - not the biggest FPS player, this is the only one i'm reasonably good at.)

[Dowly]

Well, the problem with COD4 is that it takes what was silly in Counter-Strike and adds a whole lotta quake deathmatch to it. Many don't like games where you can win by learning to jump and shoot at the same time or learn a spot in the map from where you can toss a grenade over 3 story building to an hotspot. :88)

[papa_smurf]

Well, the problem with COD4 is that it takes what was silly in Counter-Strike and adds a whole lotta quake deathmatch to it. Many don't like games where you can win by learning to jump and shoot at the same time or learn a spot in the map from where you can toss a grenade over 3 story building to an hotspot. :88)

True, but I used to play more clan/tounament matches that did not allow rubbish such as "bunny hopping". Made for more interesting matches.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Many don't like games where you can win by learning to jump and shoot at the same time or learn a spot in the map from where you can toss a grenade over 3 story building to an hotspot. :88)
Dunno what version of COD4 you've been playing, I haven't seen anyone bunnyhopping ever - noone has enough health to allow for that. But there are people who camp and toss grenades everywhere (like me ;))

[Arclight]

CoD4? Not a chance in hell. :lol:

No ballistics, tiny maps, pistol headshots at 50 meters, unscoped shots don't go where the weapon points, unrealistic perks nonsense, etc. :-?

I could go on, really, I could, for hours. :O:

[Castout]

DW is awesome :yeah: With or without LWAMI? :hmmm:

Ok don't flame me

I'd suggest the community to give DWX 1.2 a try

http://www.redrodgers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4912

Just need to download part 1 to part 4 and nothing else.

It adds many many playable platform with one or two with custom interfaces. It's really cool especially if Multi player comes to mind. I haven't tested how MP feels like with it though so I'm not aware if there are issues with it and MP session.


Of course there's always the reliable LWAMI :salute:

[Weiss Pinguin]

Seems like LWAMI is more reliable and maybe more ested, but I'd be up for DW+X :hmmm:

[Castout]

Seems like LWAMI is more reliable and maybe more ested, but I'd be up for DW+X :hmmm:

I haven't put much time into DWX 1.2 but I can tell so far it seems to be clear of bugs and I haven't noticed anything which I would consider a bug or a glitch.

That Type 214 or Type 212 or that Collins class or driving that British Trafalgar or the exotic Victor II or Victor III or Lada or hunting a player Delta IV SSBN or a player Typhoon...umm the possibilities are endless ;). I do not know how stable it is for multi player but I think it's worth a try considering the effort and quality that has gone into making this mod.

No more silly passive AI either, be prepare to get counterattack when you launch a missile or torpedoes. :dead:

[Arclight]

Vietcong would also be a good option imo, but I bet most people don't own that. Never was the most popular game. :hmmm:

And Men of War; would make for a nice tournament, or just to get some games going.

[Oberon]

Had a tank only battle on MoW the other night, the tank that did the best out of all of the tanks I spawned (right up to the Tiger II) was a little Panzer IV which sat by a tree and banged away at anything that came near it.
I lost, but it was quite nice to watch. :haha:

[Weiss Pinguin]

I lost, but it was quite nice to watch. :haha:
Always the little ones you have to watch out for ;)

[Herr-Berbunch]

Aaargh, will someone just pick a game! :damn: If anyone else owns it that's great. (I'm only just picking up gaming again - haven't really played since Rainbow Six so I'm in no postition to suggest anything) :D

Whoever next wants to pick a name (Oi, Dowly/Arclight) how about Subsimmers and Multiplayers, or as I prefer S&M :yeah:

[Raptor1]

I remember playing a very large game back during the beta (Think it was 8v8); at one point I was reduced to a single armoured car which I salvaged and repaired from the Germans (IIRC a Puma). This lone armoured car then proceeded to rampage across the field, mowing down everything in its path before being knocked out by a squad of German infantry hiding in the woods.

That was quite a sight.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Whoever next wants to pick a name (Oi, Dowly/Arclight) how about Subsimmers and Multiplayers, or as I prefer S&M :yeah:
Big Beached Whales? :smug: Or perhaps Group of People Playing like Yokels


Dangerous Waters (whatever mod) has my vote, since that's the one suggested game that I own :lol:

[Arclight]

Think we pretty much settled on STAB for the naming. :hmmm:


Rainbow Six 3 would be a good one too, started a coop campaign with Dowly and Lionclaw a bit back. Which reminds me, there's SWAT 4 too. :)

We're already running a server now and then for RO, though at the moment only for the sniper tournament. Had a nice game with few guys from Subsim on a public RO server yesterday.

Dowly stabbed me in the leg with a bayonet. Aparently that's how the Finnish say hi. :doh:

[Dowly]

Dowly stabbed me in the leg with a bayonet. Aparently that's how the Finnish say hi. :doh:

I had to make sure you weren't an Replicator. :yep:

[Herr-Berbunch]

I don't own many games, as I've said, been out of it for a while - will someone just pick one (cheap one) that I can nip and get, I can learn it whilst I'm being constantly shot at... :D

[Oberon]

I had to make sure you weren't an Replicator. :yep:

Or a changeling. :doh:

[Arclight]

I can asure you I was never involved in any non-reciprocal offspring-swapping. :O:


As for a game; RO seems to be a popular option, and cheap to boot. Personally I'd like to give DW multiplayer a try as well.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Out of curiousity, what does STAB stand for? Or doesn't it? Or is that just what we're going to do to everyone we meet, is stab them in the leg to say hello?

[Arclight]

STAB - Subsim Tactical Armed Bastards
That.

[Dowly]

And the inspiration behind the name :DL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5fr1b24yII

Really need to start watching Life on Mars, they're airing Ashes to Ashes here atm and managed to catch one episode of it last night, good stuff. :haha:

[Crécy]

Is there an official form where I can sign up? :)

[Dowly]

Is there an official form where I can sign up? :)

Real Name:
Address:
Postal code:
City:
Country:
Phone:
Credit card #:
Bank Account details:

Think that would get you started. :hmmm:

EDIT: OW! And PIN code!

Thanks Arc!

[Arclight]

*whisper* You forgot PIN code.

[Weiss Pinguin]

*whisper* You forgot PIN code.
Alright, but I start getting donkey on giraffe porn and I'm out. OUT :stare:

[Herr-Berbunch]

Alright, but I start getting donkey on giraffe porn and I'm out. OUT :stare:

Gee, to get THAT again would be so unlucky, freaks - we all know that the giraffe should be on top! :O:

[jumpy]

Maybe a little outdated by the graphical standards of some of the new fps titles out there, but COD2 with the Tactical Realism server mod is actually very good - in real terms this means a dearth of cheating spray and pray n00bs. Also, as it's a well established multiplayer game, there's loads of maps to play on.
There's other games that look better, flashier and have more 'unlockable' weapon classes than you can shake a stick at, but the online gameplay aspect is pretty darn solid.

[Raptor1]

Right, I am back after 3 days of ridiculous amounts of board wargaming. I hereby officially challenge any of you to a game of Men of War.

[Oberon]

Oh, I'm so gonna get my arse handed to me...

[Arclight]

Does it allow more than 2 players? :hmmm:

Played it a bit with Lionclaw a while back. Never thought of the possibility of more than 2 players untill now. :doh:

[Raptor1]

Yes, you can play up to 8 versus 8.

There's also some kinda coop mode, but I don't know how it works.

[Oberon]

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8332/piatattack.jpg
The IS-1/PIAT double act really brought the house down!

[Raptor1]

British armour vs. Soviet armour:

*thud*

*thud*

*thud*

*BOOM*

And when in doubt - heavy artillery, open fire!

I need to get better at managing my infantry, often they've been shot to death simply because I told them to go to the wrong place or forgot to tell them to stop and shoot the enemy.

EDIT: What are those grey-tipped shells, BTW?

[Oberon]

AP rounds...of some sort...possibly an APCNR or APCBCT :hmmm: Can't remember off hand. Either which way it's about as useful against Soviet armour as a hammer against a nuclear detonation.

[Raptor1]

Don't the British get any sort of tank destroyer or at least a tank with a sufficiently large gun?

[Oberon]

The Centurion is a pretty nice piece of kit and the Firefly hits hard...but it would seem that the best bit of Brit AT armour is the Tortoise.

http://mailer.fsu.edu/%7Eakirk/tanks/GreatBritain/GB-HeavyAssaultTank-Tortoise-A39.jpg

[Arclight]

You can acces a page/pop-up with all the armour values on all sides and parts(front turret, side hull, etc), and penetration values of the gun at different ranges.

Pays to have a look through there and get the details on all the tanks. Russians have 4 or 5 different KV-1 tanks, but only 1 is really usefull (in an AT role).


* sure I don't have to point it out, but armour facing is critical in tank-on-tank fight. Dont "kinda" flank either; get a good straight-on hit on side or rear, or it may well glance off. I remember Lion having a big tank-hunter which I couldn't take on from the front. So I send a jeep as a distraction, and put a shell through the side as he turned to engage. :D

[Arclight]

RO open server: ARC-STAB-RO, pass: subsim.

[Oberon]

My kind of sniping!

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5116/hmmmmm.jpg

Oh, and TF, when I was typing your name on the villages map, I was right behind you, I was waiting for you to stop and turn around before putting an AT shell into your engine, unfortunately the AI put a shell into your tank first. :nope:

[Oberon]

Damn TF, those were some good RO games :yeah:

First match at Berlin, we were slaughtered initially but in the second round we rally around and pushed forward to the second to last objective. Eventually German reinforcements ran out and I was able to lead a bayonet charge and I didn't stop until I got to the steps of the Reichstag.

Second map was Leningrad, first round we were pushed back to the bridge but held it to the sounds of AC/DC, Tom Jones and Michael Jackson (as you do) and copious amounts of smoke plus some more smoke.
Second round we held the first objective the whole round, a heavy part of the fighting took place in the sewers where we were eventually overwhelmed despite some superb MG defending, however the Germans were unable to push through above ground and lost the round.

Third map was something unpronounceable beginning with B. However, this had trenches!! Was getting constantly killed until I Alt Tabbed out of RO and booted up WMP with 'The Price of a Mile' on...and then dammit, I went forward and we held, and we held to the end of the first round.
The second round started well, but we were flanked on the left and it went downhill from there, which was a shame because I liked that trench map, it goes well with my bayonet.

What with the artillery pasting the ground in front of us, taking potshots at approaching coal scuttle helmets, bayonet at the ready...it all felt very 1917. :doh:

[Weiss Pinguin]

Look what you've done, after seeing this I have to go get RO. And I was just getting back into SH3 as well :nope:

[Oberon]

As WWII shooters go, it's about as realistic as you can get I'd say. The tank armour is a bit screwy IMHO but when the things in a match slot together, you can get one hell of an experience. Hunter was telling me the other day about a map with a section of open ground, the Russians were trying to cross it but were getting slaughtered, so one guy over the mike organises them to wait behind the slope which provides the cover before the open ground and then on his signal they all advanced, tanks included. All that was missing apparently was the commissar with the Soviet flag (not in game sadly :cry:) although I pointed out to Hunter that any commissar would be behind the lines with an MG waiting for anyone who turned around.

Needless to say, the charge was mown down...but it was the experience, and sometimes the charge is the straw that breaks the line and being at the head of that charge...well, it's quite something alright! :yeah: Admittedly it also makes you a prime target, but well, one more martyr for the Rodina/Vaterland (delete as appropriate).

[Raptor1]

If Hunter was referring to the game Task Force and I were in, the charge was not mowed down, it actually overran the frontline German positions before bogging down under heavy fire from Germans hiding in the woods and town. We managed to break through again eventually but the game ended before we got everything.

[HunterICX]

If Hunter was referring to the game Task Force and I were in, the charge was not mowed down, it actually overran the frontline German positions before bogging down under heavy fire from Germans hiding in the woods and town. We managed to break through again eventually but the game ended before we got everything.

where you on the right flank of it? (the ones that went throught the forest) because the left including me who where behind the ridge to go in the open and jump from crate to crate charged and where mowed down before we got far.

as for RO, I've decided not to buy it...suffered 2 complete system freezes and I don't think that's a good thing of a game to do.
so I'll probally look after their Heroes of Stalingrad release.

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

Ah, yes, I was supporting the right flank with my anti-tank rifle. That charge went through and captured the first German position in the woods. After that we crawled from one foxhole to another for a while until we could storm the hill the Germans were holding, not quite sure how the left flank fared at this point.

[Arclight]

as for RO, I've decided not to buy it...suffered 2 complete system freezes and I don't think that's a good thing of a game to do.
so I'll probally look after their Heroes of Stalingrad release.

HunterICX
Why is it everything good always freezes up on your system? :hmmm:

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5116/hmmmmm.jpg

You.. shall.. not.. pass!

[HunterICX]

Why is it everything good always freezes up on your system? :hmmm:

Beats me, I can live with games that have a random crash or critical error back to desktop once in a while...but a complete system freeze where the sound goes loopy and I'm forced to reset the computer....I hate that.:nope:

I've googled the problem, but it can be caused by a dozen things
DX9 (have the game run on DX8 throught a config file)
Bloom, motion blur, AA, change this change that...use earlier drivers, disable this enable that.
and ofcourse the answers beeing so confusing as it is with the guy actually saying ''I can't guarantee it'll work''

So here's my theory why it freezes, the planets formation cause a galatic radiation wave that causes unexplainable charges that hits the earth and awakens long dormant demons in Hell which causes some crazy mountain villagers to sacrifice black mountain goats in huge numbers that results in their mountain god creating a huge rockslides into the ocean causing the ocean's current to change and having a impact on the earths climate causing my god damn Red Orchestra to freeze my system.

HunterICX

[Arclight]

Just sounds like a driver problem to me. :hmmm:

Well, can only drudge up the standard response: make sure system drivers are up to date, might to want to flash the BIOS as well.

http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=7vTrhQ6JvyI0MitJ&content=download

(chipset, audio and LAN are required. Get the latest BIOS there too.)


Maybe run DirectX updater too, though that shouldn't be nescesary.

[Lionclaw]

My kind of sniping!

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5116/hmmmmm.jpg


:DL

A screenshot before blowing me into smithereens? :O:

A man with a pistol VS a tank... I tried doing like in the cartoons and shoot into the gun barrel, nothing happened. :shifty: :O: ;)

[Oberon]

:DL

A screenshot before blowing me into smithereens? :O:

A man with a pistol VS a tank... I tried doing like in the cartoons and shoot into the gun barrel, nothing happened. :shifty: :O: ;)

Well, at least you had a pistol...I usually wind up bayonet charging tanks...

It doesn't do much... :hmmm:

[Weiss Pinguin]

as for RO, I've decided not to buy it...suffered 2 complete system freezes and I don't think that's a good thing of a game to do.
so I'll probally look after their Heroes of Stalingrad release.
:hmmm: Is there a demo anywhere I can try out? Or did you just borrow ('borrow'? :p2:) the game?

[Lionclaw]

:hmmm: Is there a demo anywhere I can try out? Or did you just borrow ('borrow'? :p2:) the game?

Guest pass I believe, I have one if you'd like to have one. :)

[HunterICX]

:hmmm: Is there a demo anywhere I can try out? Or did you just borrow ('borrow'? :p2:) the game?

10 day guest pass I received from a friend

HunterICX

[Arclight]

Still have 2 of those, so if there's any interest..

[Weiss Pinguin]

Still have 2 of those, so if there's any interest..
Sure :DL

[Herr-Berbunch]

Original RO or Ostfront?

I wanna play :wah:

[Arclight]

Sure :DL

Gonna need either a SteamID or an e-mail, aparently. :hmmm:

[Raptor1]

Original RO or Ostfront?

I wanna play :wah:

Ostfront is the original RO; unless, of course, you are referring to the old UT mod...

[Weiss Pinguin]

Gonna need either a SteamID or an e-mail, aparently. :hmmm:
Oh god, had to load up steam to check that... I can't even remember why I had one in the first place lol

Anyways Steam ID is serialflakes, and for my email just tack @gmail.com to the end of that :lol:

[Arclight]

Send it through E-mail; couldn't find "serialflakes" as a player. :hmmm:

[Weiss Pinguin]

Actually I guess I wouldn't have a SteamID I haven't played online would I? :88) But I got the email, d/loading now - according to Steam 1 hour and 15 to go, but my connections been spotty so we'll see how it goes.

[Arclight]

All I know is you can set a different username than what you use to log in to Steam. Might give your profile a look and see if it's set up. :hmmm:

[Weiss Pinguin]

After a couple practice runs with the bots to et get things set I hopped online for a bit. Very fun, but very laggy on my old machine, even with everything jacked down. :( Imma look around later and see what I can tweak, bt so far I'm thinking RO is out for me.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Well did a quick tune up (the options on my graphics card weren't set for some reason) and hopped back online, this time on a map without half as many trees. Played a lot smoother, but I still lagged enough to be almost useless :lol: This is why I like consoles - no messing with hardware, and everything's calibrated to what's on the system, which is the same stuff everyone else has... It was still lots of fun though. I haven't played an FPS on the PC in forever :o

[Herr-Berbunch]

Ostfront is the original RO; unless, of course, you are referring to the old UT mod...

Ah yes, there were two different boxes and one clearly stated Ostfront and the other unclearly!

About to order it, so expect some turkey shooting by the weekend folks :D

[Penguin]

I would also be interested to sweep away the cobwebs from my virtual guns and perform some occasional shootings again. :arrgh!:
I have some Battlefield 2 MP experience - is anybody into this game? Still one of the good shooters which allows you to play with a huge amount of players on a map. *takes a dump on MW2*
RO also sounds good and it's only 10 €. If somebody still got a trial pass I would definitely like to try it out.

[Herr-Berbunch]

I would also be interested to sweep away the cobwebs from my virtual guns and perform some occasional shootings again. :arrgh!:
I have some Battlefield 2 MP experience - is anybody into this game? Still one of the good shooters which allows you to play with a huge amount of players on a map. *takes a dump on MW2*
RO also sounds good and it's only 10 €. If somebody still got a trial pass I would definitely like to try it out.

I have two going begging for RO at the minute, PM your id or email. - I don't know if I'll get on tonight but tomorrow most likely and Thursday definately. :up:

Anybody else?

[Penguin]

Thanks, PM sent. :salute:
Thursday's cool for me - don't really have time to play before. I'll be home at 7 gmt. My user name is Penguin.

[Penguin]

I played RO last week and me likey it! I'm gonna buy this definitely - very realistic in terms of play and it was really a reward to make the first kill ibn this game. Only downsize is that the all germans voices in the game have a slight bavarian accent. ;) Unfortunately my mainboard died at the weekend, so no gaming for me for the next days...:wah:

A tip for the german gamers or people who have a good international choice of magazines in their cities: PC Games magazine has ArmA as a bonus DVD in their latest edition, the price is 6,99€.

[Herr-Berbunch]

I think RO's great, and thanks for people here directing me that way. I just wish the achievements side worked properly - how do you know which server is going to give you the recognition? :-?

[Dowly]

I think RO's great, and thanks for people here directing me that way. I just wish the achievements side worked properly - how do you know which server is going to give you the recognition? :-?

VAC secure server with atleast 16 human players starts to record achievements automatically AFAIK.

[frenzied]

After reading this thread I decided to get RO yesterday, and I've been having a blast. Literally in many cases, as grenades, tank shells, and everything else explosive lands on my head.

I find some of the maps a little annoying, where you're meant to defend a point, but spawn just as far away as the attackers.

Other than that, I've enjoyed it. I think I've done best when playing as a basic rifleman and sitting back in some cover.

Does anyone know if you can shoot tank drivers through their vision slits?

[Task Force]

Nope, cant shoot through their eye slots, but when they poke their heads out... BANG...:yep:

[Herr-Berbunch]

I like being a sniper best, absolutely bloomin' useless with anything else! Some of the sniper only maps have the same people in, seemingly, all the time and they know every nook and cranny to hide/shoot from. :nope:

Still got a guest pass if anyone wants it, time running out! :D

[Dowly]

EDIT: See the next post.


*looks around the empty conference hall*






:hmmm:




*pulls pants down*

HEYOOOOO!!!

[Arclight]

*blows off dust*

*cough* *hack*

Right tactical gaming... erm, well this thing, that is STAB, really formed as an off-shoot of SSC. An attempt to branch out from Arma really.

But to be honest, other than Arma neither the people I play with or myself really played much beyond that. We've been messing around a bit though: for example, Dowly, Lion and me played through the Rainbow Six 3 campaign. Good fun. More recently, Dowly and me picked up R6 Vegas.

I know, Vegas, not really R6, right? At least, that's how I thought about it untill I gave it a spin. It's quite challenging, with a pretty darn solid cover system. Set the thing to 'realistic' and you'll quickly learn that getting caught off guard is punished rather severely. So much so in fact that we went from no respawns to 3 lives (minimum setting) to make it a bit less frustrating.

Oh don't give me that look. Yeah, it's rewarding if you can manage it without that 'help', but replaying a level 20 times when you're just trying to get into the game can be a bit much. Rather get some experience first than go off the hardcore end and splatter your brains against a wall over and over.


Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is that we/I really had tactical FPS games in mind. Something like DW is great but getting people together to actually play it... Also, with FPS games there's actually a larger, more varied selection to get into. It's all room clearing and flashbangs at the end of the day, but each game does it a little differently and offers something different in terms of levels and gear.

So, what does it come down to then? We'd really like to get more players involved into games that are currently either already owned or easy to obtain;

Rainbow Six 3 and it's expansions.
Ghost Recon and it's expansions.
Rainbow Six Vegas 1&2
SWAT 3&4

Just suggestions those, if we do manage to get people for something like DW I'm all for it. More suggestions are welcome.

Just wanted to see if we can open up a discussion for it: do we want to pick fixed times, maybe organise things ad hoc, what exactly to play etc.


For the moment Dowly and me have been getting stuck into the first Vegas game. The missions are 4 players max, so consider this an open invitation. In case you have doubts, the sneaky ferret recorded a bit of our escapades (http://www.youtube.com/user/Dowly).


* and of course he beat me to it.

[Oberon]

http://www.deviantart.com/download/167564820/You__re_in_my_way__sir____by_LJPhil.jpg

[Herr-Berbunch]

Ahh, a game I have played before - Rainbow 6 (but not Vegas), but that would have been around 1999 :doh:

I've just check the prices and it seems very doable by me. Even think I've got Ghost Recon on a disk somewhere...

Dowly, "Ready?"
Arclight - boots door open! "Yes"
:har:

Just pick a game and stick with it, can't just buy them all 'just in case'!

[Dowly]

Just pick a game and stick with it, can't just buy them all 'just in case'!

Gamersgate has sale on both R6 Vegas and Vegas 2 (6.75€ a piece IIRC). :up:

[Dowly]

http://www.deviantart.com/download/167564820/You__re_in_my_way__sir____by_LJPhil.jpg

Spoony: Speaking of... where are the four other guys of my
****ing unit?? Uh... what are they doing? They're standing
around the door playing with themselves, laughing at me as
I get my ass blown off by a ****ing terrorist with a submachine
gun? You didn't even have the inclination when you heard the
shots being fired, to come in and rush to my ****ing aid? That...
that isn't artificial intelligence, that's COMMON ****ING SENSE!

*Checks the next room with the mirror*

Spoony: I bet these guys are getting a real good laug-
AI: Move it, you're in my spot.
Spoony: YOU SON OF A BITCH! You are so ****ing lucky I have
a defective shotgun today! I'm serious dude!
AI: Clear!
Spoony: Yeah! Yeah! You ran 5 feet down the hallway and you
call it clear!?


:rotfl2:


Who haven't seen it, the Spoony Plays Swat 4 is worth checking out:
http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/lets-play/swat-4/page/3/

[HunterICX]

Just added Vegas 1&2 to my Game collection with the little remaining funds I had on Paypal :salute:

HunterICX

[Herr-Berbunch]

Just ordered both on disc - should be here next week (by which time you'll all have moved on to something else!) :D

[HunterICX]

Just ordered both on disc - should be here next week (by which time you'll all have moved on to something else!) :D

Nah...still have to make you pay somehow for that thread you made in the GThttp://img854.imageshack.us/img854/7940/redneonevilgrin.gif

HunterICX

[Dowly]

Goodie. :up:

Here's a Widescreen res patch for R6Vegas, tried and works.
http://downloads.guru3d.com/Rainbow-Six-|-Las-Vegas-WideScreen-patches-download-1543.html

What do you need to do ? Simply select and rename the file you
want to use to R6GameConfig.bin (taken from your downloaded archive) and
copy and paste it in this directory:

"My Documents\Ubisoft\R6Vegas" overwrite (or rename) the existing file if
you get prompted. Make a back-up of the original just in case.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Going back to the other game options... I do have Ghost Recon, it's original not the Advanced Warfare, but it does have the Desert Siege and Island Thunder add ons. :D

[Crécy]

Going back to the other game options... I do have Ghost Recon, it's original not the Advanced Warfare, but it does have the Desert Siege and Island Thunder add ons. :D

I've got that too. Might be willing to join if people want to play it.

[Dowly]

Got GR too. Tho, have to say, the years haven't been very kind to it. :O:

[Arclight]

It's old, ancient almost. Still solid game underneath though. Wonder if you can play through the campaign coop, sort of 'story' mode can be more interesting than random maps.

Talking about random maps: that Terrorist Hunt in Vegas 1&2 is absolutely merciless.

[HunterICX]

Ghost Recon Multiplayer is Co-op through the campaign missions :yep:

had some great fun in Vegas with you guys....:haha: got a bit carried away with that machine gun I had :D it is now in my standard equipment set up.

HunterICX

[Arclight]

Latest recording, unless le ferret recorded the level after this where we had Hunter tagging along. Latest uploaded, anyway: http://www.youtube.com/user/Dowly#p/a/u/1/jWXNt-gSxhQ


Having 3 or 4 players instead of just 2 really increases the odds of success rather drastically. Always try to keep us from getting shot in the back, but sometimes enemies just come from too many directions to effectively cover with 2 guys.

Especially true for the terrorist hunts. Quite easy to get overwhelmed.


How could we shorten STAB to 3 letters btw? STB? :hmmm:

[Dowly]

Latest recording, unless le ferret recorded the level after this where we had Hunter tagging along. Latest uploaded, anyway: http://www.youtube.com/user/Dowly#p/a/u/1/jWXNt-gSxhQ

I did, just need to find the bloody time and will to encode and upload. :O:

How could we shorten STAB to 3 letters btw? STB? :hmmm:

With Subsim Seamen Samples, we wouldn't be having that problem. :shifty:

[Arclight]

:har:

Oh I forgot about that one. We had some good ones, didn't we? :haha:

[HunterICX]

STB or SAB (Subsim Tactical Bastards or Subsim Armed Bastards)

HunterICX

[Herr-Berbunch]

Installed and played original GR last night, with some kit mods, t'was fun but the graphics are quite laughable with big trees with paper-thin spread of branches from most angles :har: . A lot of jaggies too, despite varying AA :nope:

Was fun though :yep:

[HunterICX]

Well, the Ghost Recon game's graphics actually never bothered me...but yeah if you compared it to nowadays games it does raise an eyebrow a bit...but the gameplay makes up for that a lot it's quite solid.

especially the missions at night had a great athmosphere if you ask me...a mission could take me hours before I completed it as I took my time moving around and taking out enemies.

HunterICX

[Arclight]

Aye spend forever inching through foliage and dashing over open ground, after meticulously positioning my team to provide cover. Very solid, wish they did a proper sequel.

[Fincuan]

Anyone up for some Raven Shield later tonight?

The fully patched stock game is fine by me, but I higly recommend the Raven Shield 2.0 (http://www.moddb.com/mods/raven-shield-two-point-zero) mod.

[Arclight]

I'm all for it. Think we're still on Vegas for a bit, could see about getting R6 3 started after that.

* mright let's say regular 22:00?

[Fincuan]

2200 GMT? Suits me.

[Arclight]

Anyone else? Bit ronery with just the 2.

[Raptor1]

Right, just got Vegas (The first one). I'm not sure if I can install it in time, but if I can then I'll join.

[Arclight]

Well there's a server up... don't think we'll be getting anyone for Raven Shield though.

[Oberon]

Is this the thread where we talk about incompetent Wehrmacht soldiers, suicidally brave and somewhat powerful Chaffee tanks and invincible pack mules?

http://do-while.com/img/fun/crazy-german-soldiers/crazy-german-soldiers02.jpg

[Raptor1]

Well, if Men of War fit the original idea for this thread, it should be. If it isn't, then I guess we'll just have to commence a tactical withdrawal towards another thread...

[Arclight]

Men of War, Steel Panthers, think it all fits.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Raven Shield bought today for £1, installing as we speak! (Or as I type?) :hmmm:

And I'm guessing latest patches, but what about any mods?

[Arclight]

1 bloody pound?! Steal of the decade I'd say. :yeah:

No mods. What would they do anyway? Make it more realistic? :O:

Speaking of... been poking around some ini files, might do a realism mod for the Vegas weapons, based on R6 3 values. No promises though; I'm not much of a modder and there are over 250 attributes per weapon to sift through...

[Herr-Berbunch]

There's also original R6 games for about 75p :doh:

All installed, patched, even registered with Ubi, now I must go to work :wah:

[Oberon]

Shall we have another Steel Panthers game tonight? The other was quite enjoyable. We may have lost, but we exacted a grave toll upon them! :rock:
Would be nice to have an idea of gun range though, my Panthers would have had more luck with the Chaffees if I had been able to get them onto the right part of the hill. More cover would have been nice too, but you can't always have that, and the Americans had all the Vietnamese forest on that map.

[Arclight]

Never mind the modding, they dids it for us: http://www.moddb.com/mods/rainbow-six-vegas-2-rebalanced

[Raptor1]

Shall we have another Steel Panthers game tonight? The other was quite enjoyable. We may have lost, but we exacted a grave toll upon them! :rock:
Would be nice to have an idea of gun range though, my Panthers would have had more luck with the Chaffees if I had been able to get them onto the right part of the hill. More cover would have been nice too, but you can't always have that, and the Americans had all the Vietnamese forest on that map.

I'm up for it, of course.

You can get the range by right clicking on a unit to get the info, or going to the game's unit encyclopedia and looking through the stats. Each hex is 50 meters, so you can get a rough idea from that.

Our problem was not lack range, the hideously murderous tank battle with the Chaffee platoon was fought at literally point blank. We couldn't shoot them from farther away, because they were in some really inconvenient terrain that blocked the view (Damn those Vietnamese!). Infantry would have been useful there, but ours was incompetent and began fleeing as soon as they got shot a couple of times.

[Oberon]

I'm up for it, of course.

You can get the range by right clicking on a unit to get the info, or going to the game's unit encyclopedia and looking through the stats. Each hex is 50 meters, so you can get a rough idea from that.

Our problem was not lack range, the hideously murderous tank battle with the Chaffee platoon was fought at literally point blank. We couldn't shoot them from farther away, because they were in some really inconvenient terrain that blocked the view (Damn those Vietnamese!). Infantry would have been useful there, but ours was incompetent and began fleeing as soon as they got shot a couple of times.

Yes the terrain on that map was pretty terrible. It's a pity I lost my scout car to those Wolverines, their flank was terribly weak, I could have captured most of those victory locations in a blitzkrieg move.

Perhaps we should try 1940 Germany vs France tonight? :hmmm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5V6sxZ8-eg

[Raptor1]

Ah, good games overall. Here's what I thought:

The assault on the Dutch went off pretty well; their positions were good, but they had too little forces and no heavy weapons to hold the line with. Oberon's attack on the south was a little undermanned and stalled for a bit, but when the north collapsed it was over for them.

The US/Vie...err...Soviet night battle went...erm...about as well as one would expect something like that to go. Within minutes the field was littered with smoke, fire, burning hulks, destroyed buildings (courtesy of Task Force's half-tracks) and other assorted messes (and crickets! Damn them!). I'm actually rather impressed by the death trap defence-in-depth the AI set us up for there, must have been terrifying for some of those road columns rolling along in the middle of the night and suddenly having molotov cocktails thrown on top of them by concealed infantry and coming under field gun fire from all sides. :shifty:

As for the lag later in the game, Steam apparently decided that was the best time to download the new Assault Squad patch (which hasn't been officially released yet!), so that's the likely explanation for that.

[Oberon]

I still reckon it was cricket based sabotage. They must have also caused my Calliope to commit suicide. It's got nothing to do with the fact that I thought that I had selected the jeep and sent it off to scout but in fact I still had the Calliope selected... :damn:

Yeah, my advance in the south against the Dutch ran into trouble because they had put their fortifications just out of range of Leo Kessler and his MG on the hill...so I had to pull him forward, and all that did was bring him under fire and make him have a nervous breakdown, and write several novels.
However once the Panzer IIs and the Armoured cars got behind the fortified lines it was all over. :yep:

[Task Force]

Yes, those crickets. I never though about using them as a torture method.

This game (SPWAW) likes Vietnam maps.

[Herr-Berbunch]

:woot:Vegas 2 arrived, installing right now.

[Oberon]

http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/britain/szmat-4.jpg

IDDQD

http://cdn.wn.com/pd/fc/11/643936cef6a0cf4ef7a4e0cb5820_grande.jpg

[Raptor1]

Drunk French infantry being drunk.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2093/sc0002c.png

Invulnerable Matildas being invulnerable.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1521/sc0004.png

[Oberon]

T'was a good game, even with the Haxing Matildas. I expected you to use your tanks more in the north than in the south and so I had about three or four AT guns in the forest to the north along with a couple of 25 pounders and mortars...and some big old artillery piece that I think fired that shot that wound up on the other side of the map...somehow.

The south was lightly defended, although it was going to be the point that I would start my counterattack after I'd beaten back your initial wave, hence why those trucks were down there, they were going to follow the Matildas with infantry and such and then dismount and advance.

The best laid plans, as they say...

So when your Chars rolled in in force to the south, I had to divert some of the Matildas in the center to the south to help cover that section because the Matildas were about the only thing between you and the town behind my lines which had a token force of a couple of AT riflemen in it. Of course, fog of war and all that. I think you twigged that the center was held strongly quite early because two of your Chars halted and dug in on the hill opposite the road through the woods, so I wasn't expecting too much trouble there...but the south was trouble...if those Matildas hadn't have had such thick armour, I would have been up a familiar creek without a rowing implement.

[Raptor1]

That hill you had there with the artillery was really inconvenient. I tried moving spotters around to try to fire my heavy guns at it, but I was too preoccupied with the tank battle to the south to ever really effectively manage it. I think the turn time should be extended, if not turned off completely next time we do something like that.

I wonder if the Char B1 bis would have had better performance against those Matildas, since it has significantly more armour and a better gun. I wanted to get those, but they were unavailable so I had to grab the standard variant. Though that still wouldn't have saved my forces from the general incompetence that plagued them, especially with regards to OpFire.

[Oberon]

When did the Bis come into service then? I thought it came in about the same time as the Matilda II? :hmmm:

[Raptor1]

It came into service in 1937. It was listed in the TO&Es in the game, which means it already went into service, but I couldn't get any due to equipment availability (Marked red).

[Oberon]

Ouch. Unlucky, they probably would have been more of an equal footing against the Matildas.

How many FT-17s did you have anyway? There seemed to be an endless supply of them trundling across that open field.

[Raptor1]

A lot, something like a reinforced Company. They were quite cheap and I figured they'd make good infantry support, but in the end they were mostly worthless. Probably should used those points to get some more artillery or AT guns.

[Raptor1]

Confusion and panic; Romanians being Romanian. Obscured behind the smoke is also the flaming pack mule that won the war.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5351/sc0006.png

Not too bad, considering some other matches I've seen...

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/9083/sc0007h.png

[Oberon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qkjzxPOkA

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5958/pg1w.jpg
Jagdtigers chaaaarge!!

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/5538/pg2c.jpg
Goddamn Bastogne... :damn:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4139/pg3rommelyoumagnificent.jpg
Where did those Shermans come from?! PAAAATTTTOOOOONNNNNN!!!

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5779/pg4dammit.jpg
Verdamnt!


A wild Jagdtiger appeared!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Munster_Jagdtiger_Ausf_B_Modell_%28dark1%29.jpg/220px-Munster_Jagdtiger_Ausf_B_Modell_%28dark1%29.jpg

HunterICX used Sherman 76 Derp

http://www.travel-images.com/pht/palau8.jpg

It's not very effective.


A wild P-47 appeared!

http://www.historylink101.com/ww2photo/republic-p-47-thunderbolt.jpg

Oberon used Pray for Bad Weather

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uHmFcC-tjXI/TNWiUwtozUI/AAAAAAAAADc/P18tm6dHT4w/s1600/1697sunny-day.jpg

It's not very effective...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Wittmann_Tiger_007.jpg/350px-Wittmann_Tiger_007.jpg

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9471765.jpg

[HunterICX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKZb1ALEGX4&t=0m57s

:O:

HunterICX

[Oberon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKZb1ALEGX4&t=0m57s

:O:

HunterICX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvrI3wy_TGk

[Raptor1]

Conn, Sonar...uh...

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7692/dw1.png

[Oberon]

CIWS to full auto time!


BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Arclight]

Would be even better if they let us drive a carrier, Seahawks just aren't a challenge. :yep:

[Oberon]

I shall have to reinstall this for tonight then :yeah:

[Oberon]

"Very well...I shall take the north."
"Erm...that's south."
"Dammit!"

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9510/northnosoutherm.jpg

[Raptor1]

Damn those confusing bearings!

I fixed my sound problem, BTW. Hopefully next time shall be more successful.

[Oberon]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3826/chaosn.jpg
The bloody chaos of Halfaya (Hellfire) pass, with Raptors infantry retreating into Fort Capuzzo...

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8990/morechaos.jpg
Third day chaos, with added flanking capture of Sidi Azeiz

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1396/victoryo.jpg
:rock:

[Task Force]

Yea, i kinda messed up on the last day. i didn't try hard enough to capture Sollum. Kinda was concerned that Oberon was going to pull another trick like he did on the second day where he started pulling back, and then started a attack. Was concerned he would do this again. But I kinda didnt get how badly things where going for the allies logistical.

[Raptor1]

But I kinda didnt get how badly things where going for Raptor logistical.

Fixed. :shifty:

They're going to have my incompetence taught in military academies for all of eternity as an example of how not to conduct logistics...

[Oberon]

Operation Crusader

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/337/italianarmour.jpg
Italian Armour :yep:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5476/italianfail.jpg
The end of the Ariete Regiment

[Raptor1]

The end of the Ariete Regiment

Division, I think. Though if things continue to go the way they do there might not be more than a Regiment left of it soon.

Doesn't look like a good start for the Axis, but we'll see how it goes...