King's niece defends rally on anniversary of "I Have a Dream" speech

[Gerald]

(CNN) -- The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s niece is slated to speak Saturday at a controversial rally by radio talk show host Glenn Beck scheduled to take place in the same location as her uncle's "I Have a Dream" speech.

Saturday is also the 47th anniversary of the speech the civil rights leader delivered in front of the Lincoln Memorial.

Beck, a hero to many conservative voters across the country, says that the mission of the rally is to honor American troops and that the event is nonpolitical. The rally is hosted by Beck and the Fox News Channel.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/08/28/mlk.niece.beck/index.html



Note:August 28, 2010 Updated 0951 GMT

[UnderseaLcpl]

I can't believe the negative attention this is generating in the press, and apparently around the country. It's been on TV all morning and most of the commentary has been, at best, contemptuous. 'Cept on Fox, naturally.

I guess I don't understand why this perfectly reasonable example of public assembly is getting so much flak from the left. I thought liberals were supposed to be advocates of freedom, human rights, and tolerance. So what is this junk?-

"It's offensive because it's out of line with the fact. It's out of line with the truth," Michael Fauntroy, an assistant professor of public policy at George Mason University, said Friday on CNN's "American Morning." "The reality is that the conservative movement in America historically has always opposed expansion of civil rights for all kinds of people."

Ok so now it's offensive when they (not the same guys from 5 decades ago) excercise a perfectly normal right in a lawful fashion? Does that not make sense to anyone else?

[yubba]

Liberals are not advocates of anybodies civil liberties or freedoms, but their own. The liberal media sure is trying to put a negative spin on this ,they sure betted on the wrong horse.

[ETR3(SS)]

I can't believe the negative attention this is generating in the press, and apparently around the country. It's been on TV all morning and most of the commentary has been, at best, contemptuous. 'Cept on Fox, naturally.

I guess I don't understand why this perfectly reasonable example of public assembly is getting so much flak from the left. I thought liberals were supposed to be advocates of freedom, human rights, and tolerance. So what is this junk?-

Ok so now it's offensive when they (not the same guys from 5 decades ago) excercise a perfectly normal right in a lawful fashion? Does that not make sense to anyone else?Yeah I'm kinda confused here too. Wasn't it the Democratic party of the time that supported segregation?:06:

[Tchocky]

Ech, I feel the same way about that 200-foot statue of Osama Bin Laden I hear Obama is building beside Ground Zero - don't like it that much, would prefer it didn't go ahead, but that situation is still preferable to it being prohibited.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Ech, I feel the same way about that 200-foot statue of Osama Bin Laden I hear Obama is building beside Ground Zero - don't like it that much, would prefer it didn't go ahead, but that situation is still preferable to it being prohibited.

You jest, but protection of freedoms is that important to some people, including this person. If someone wanted to build a statue of Bin Laden, you would see me protesting it, but not advocating its prohibition.

[Ducimus]

I can't believe the negative attention this is generating in the press,

Know what, it's working on me. Cause seriously, when on the front page msn.com i see this headline:

'America Today Begins to Turn Back to God'My first reaction is "**** YOU! you god damn religious ******** intent on ramrodding your dogma until were all living under your freaking THEORCRACY! Like a god damn christian version of IRAN!"

I have no desire to read a god damn thing after that. That head line ALONE was enough to make me pound my fist, because it struck JUST the right cord.

If it someones intent is to push me further away from the republican party... it's working. That headline REALLY pissed me off. I hate having religion ramrodded with a passion. Any group ran by the religious right, will NOT get my vote. They are too extreme, too one sided, too near sighted, hipocritical, preach tolerance when they have none, and every other negative connation i can conjur.

/end rant.

[Takeda Shingen]

My first reaction is "**** YOU! you god damn religious bastards intent on ramrodding your dogma bullschit until were all living under your freaking THEORCRACY! Like a god damn christian version of IRAN!"

I have no desire to read a god damn thing after that. That head line ALONE was enough to make me pound my fist, because it struck JUST the right cord.

If it someones intent is to push me further away from the republican party... it's working. That headline REALLY pissed me off. I hate having religion ramrodded with a passion. Any group ran by the religious right, will NOT get my vote. They are too extreme, too one sided, too near sighted, hipocritical, preach tolerance when they have none, and every other negative connation i can conjur.

/end rant.

For what it's worth, I feel the same way. I have never believed that God and politics made a good pair.

[UnderseaLcpl]

@ Tak and Duc... you know what, you're Deuce to me from now on. That sounds cool enough to be a nickname, and it fits with my prerogative of developing a short name for everyone.

I doubt the Republican party is trying to attract either one of you, at least, not here. I'm a pretty devout Christian and they aren't doing much to attract me, either. I prefer that religion become seperate from policy.

As we all know, the GOP has a very strong and active Christian demographic that they cannot afford to lose, so they will continue to court their vote. Politically speaking, you just can't put a price on that kind of often blind) devotion, so don't expect them to do anything differently unless the Dems, many years from now, make a successful play for the religious right.

All that aside, these people still have a right to assemble and they have a right to their views. There is no sense in directing your anger or efforts at them. It would be better spent ensuring that they are not given a tool with which to make religious priorities policy.

[tater]

Except the headline is on MSN.

If a democrat read (and believed) all the headlines on Fox, they'd be pounding their fists, too, no?

The left and right play this religious nonsense.

You get the "religious right" on one side, and apologists for Islamic fundies on the other. All the "religious right" inspired attacks (abortion bombings, etc) in the country have harmed under 2 dozen people. Islam has a higher body count, so I'll worry about them first.

The left thinks nothing at all about supporting religious bigots like the Nation of Islam morons, for example. Listen to any of the speeches at that so-called "million man march?" Did you notice the disconnect between the bits shown on the network news, and the hate-fest stuff they left on the editing room floor?

[mookiemookie]

You jest, but protection of freedoms is that important to some people, including this person. If someone wanted to build a statue of Bin Laden, you would see me protesting it, but not advocating its prohibition.

That's exactly what lefties are doing here. Protesting the offensiveness of it, but not calling for it not to take place. No matter what strawmans people here want to put up.

[yubba]

I wonder what the ruling class thought of it , hope they didn't choke on their lobster. Wonder how the lap dog media will spin this, they said god bless America and prayed for our president and congress. I stand corrected this is the most beautiful sound I ever heard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO5y2O_hv3I&feature=related

[Sailor Steve]

/end rant.
The rant is understandable. The language is not.

[Konovalov]

The rant is understandable. The language is not.
What about a Subsim donations box for every language bleep?

[Takeda Shingen]

What about a Subsim donations box for every language bleep?

:haha: A SubSim swear jar.

[Tribesman]

So if Beck is encouraging the tea party gathering to return to God does that mean all the tax protesters will no longer complain about tax?

[yubba]

if you are a tax collecter, they probably will give you a nice burial and say a few good words.

[Stealth Hunter]

Meanwhile his son, Martin Luther King III, decided to join the counter-rally.

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/family-feud-erupts-over-martin-luther-kings-legacy-between-martin-luther-king-iii-and-alveda-king/19612128

[ETR3(SS)]

Meanwhile his son, Martin Luther King III, decided to join the counter-rally.

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/family-feud-erupts-over-martin-luther-kings-legacy-between-martin-luther-king-iii-and-alveda-king/19612128
Wondered when this day would come. I'm not pleased that it has, but not surprised either.

[Bubblehead1980]

The Left's problem isn't the rally is on the day of King's "Dream" speech but because it's hosted by their biggest threats, Beck and Fox News.The Left goes absolutely crazy their lap dog media is all suffering big time in ratings compared to Fox News and thus suffering in their influence. Beck is currently rather influential and it drives the Lefties and some Republicans nuts.The Left is just angry because the election of Obama and all the crap he has done thus far has awaken the sleeping giant in a way, Americans have caught on to the BS of the left and come November they are going to do something about it.Duci, I'm not big on the religious stuff either but keep in mind Beck is a commentator who is a religious man, not a represenative of the GOP, so don't let it drive you back towards the bad guys.

Some have do actually have a problem with it being on the date and location of the "Dream" speech but they are just whining.Martin Luther King does not own August 28th for the rest of eternity nor does he own the Lincoln Memorial so anyway is free to have a rally there.

I have said before I am not a big fan of his and hate to defend him but felt it was needed.

[Bubblehead1980]

Wondered when this day would come. I'm not pleased that it has, but not surprised either.

At least Dr King's niece has a brain and has not fallen in with people like Sharpton.

[Tribesman]

The Left's problem isn't the rally is on the day of King's "Dream" speech but because it's hosted by their biggest threats, Beck and Fox News.
Damn and the other week it was scared because Palin was its biggest threat:rotfl2:
Isn't it amazing that you can come up with individuals who are widely regarded as a joke and a liablity and claim that they are threats to the opposition when their biggest threat they pose is to those they endorse.

[Bubblehead1980]

Damn and the other week it was scared because Palin was its biggest threat:rotfl2:
Isn't it amazing that you can come up with individuals who are widely regarded as a joke and a liablity and claim that they are threats to the opposition when their biggest threat they pose is to those they endorse.

Well Palin is a threat in addition to Beck and Fox News, thus why they are so reviled by the Left.Widely seen as a joke? hmm going to disagree with that.I'm not a fan of Palin but not blinded by my dislike for her and can see how popular she is.Not a fan of Beck but he is prob the most influential commentator out there currently.Think about it, his reports on Van Jones, Antia Dunn have forced their resignations from the Obama Regime, name a commentator who has done that recently? exactly. The Left is scared because they know they are going to lose big in November and prob in 2012 so they do what the left knows how to do, try to distract from the real debate with accusing some of being racist or trying to whine about Glenn Beck/Fox etc because things are not great for Left media right now, ratings/viewer problems and their golden boy is in trouble. Voters are ready to throw the bums out and it's making the Lefties heads spin exorcist style:)

[Ducimus]

The rant is understandable. The language is not.

One of these days Steve, you might just have to have to accept that words are just words, and it's not what you say that, but what you mean that really counts. There isn't anything wrong with any word in the English language in and of themselves, it's the context that makes them good or bad. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rVQGT01Kzg)

[Zachstar]

Despite the idiocy of the rally. I have to hand it to the Beckster. Whitestock went far better than I expected. 87 thousand. It is obvious pubs are out in force this year and he did something VERY smart by banning signs. The lack of signs took away some of the power the racists had.

Do you get it Tea Party. If frakking moron Glen Beck can control racism in his rallies why cant you? I am waiting for an answer!

[Bubblehead1980]

Despite the idiocy of the rally. I have to hand it to the Beckster. Whitestock went far better than I expected. 87 thousand. It is obvious pubs are out in force this year and he did something VERY smart by banning signs. The lack of signs took away some of the power the racists had.

Do you get it Tea Party. If frakking moron Glen Beck can control racism in his rallies why cant you? I am waiting for an answer!


The "whitestock" comment, well....

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx221/B_Oceander/Thats_Racist_Green_sm.gif


LOL

[Aramike]

Despite the idiocy of the rally. I have to hand it to the Beckster. Whitestock went far better than I expected. 87 thousand. It is obvious pubs are out in force this year and he did something VERY smart by banning signs. The lack of signs took away some of the power the racists had.

Do you get it Tea Party. If frakking moron Glen Beck can control racism in his rallies why cant you? I am waiting for an answer!So what specifically happened and was said to make you believe this was racist?

Or are you suggesting that it was racist merely because of the skin color of the vast majority of attendents?

Because it seems to me you are doing the latter, which by itself is racist. In fact, it seems as though you are probably far more racist than most at Beck's rally. And no, being of the same ethnicity does not preclude you from being a racist - it just makes you even more ignorant than the rest.

[Zachstar]

There was very few of color in that rally. You honestly believe anyone of color would be even remotely conformable IN the crowd after the events at the Mosque rally where a non Muslim was nearly pounded on?

Whitestock was a funny name I heard earlier today.

And don't try the ole projection tactic. Racism in Tea party rallies is well documented.

But if you want a more recent reminder of some of the people in these rallies.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/08/500x_shirtguy.jpg

[Stealth Hunter]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/08/500x_shirtguy.jpg

I lol'd. Especially at the Haiti part.:haha:

[XabbaRus]

Mauitania? Where's that.....

or did he mean Mauritania...

Sure he's right, slave owning isn't just restricted to white people.

Beck might not be a representative of the GOP but he does represent them. I can't really comment as I haven't really seen any of his stuff. I do however agree that politics and religion don't mix.

As for Palin being a threat, you serious? She is ignorant. Beck from the stuff I have seen can string a sentence together.

[Aramike]

There was very few of color in that rally. You honestly believe anyone of color would be even remotely conformable IN the crowd after the events at the Mosque rally where a non Muslim was nearly pounded on?

Whitestock was a funny name I heard earlier today.

And don't try the ole projection tactic. Racism in Tea party rallies is well documented.

But if you want a more recent reminder of some of the people in these rallies.

Racism, from all sides, in all sorts of groups is well-documented.

Odd how the one group you condemn for it happens to be one which opposes your political ideology...

Now, are you simply a mindless automaton ideologue or are you going to explain how the things the Tea Party actually publically stand for are racist?

PS: Aren't there also well-documented cases of liberals organizing to crash Tea Party rallies by posing as racists and other types of scum in an attempt to demonize the movement? Or did you miss that memo too?

PPS: At least I don't think you're racist anymore ... ignorant is a better term.

[Tribesman]

As for Palin being a threat, you serious?
unfortunately I think he is, he thinks people like Beck and Palin are something more than just a joke:doh:

[tater]

1 t-shirt in 300,000+ people? How about a statistical analysis, instead. We'd need a decent number of random pictures (the news will of course try and use as many as they can find), then do a count of what % are racist. Though I am a little at a loss how an anti-slavery shirt is racist.

Stating something as a known fact that is entirely unsubstantiated often doesn't make it true.

I'm unwilling to make a statement one way or another about racism in such groups without pretty convincing statistics. I know I saw none driving down the street by a tea party thing here in town (it was right in front of my dentist's office, and I had to drive by about a mile of it after my appointment).

BTW, apply the same scrutiny to other rallies, say "million man march," or anti-war rallies.

[Onkel Neal]

The "whitestock" comment, well....

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx221/B_Oceander/Thats_Racist_Green_sm.gif


LOL


No kidding. Reverse it and see what happens.

[August]

1 t-shirt in 300,000+ people? How about a statistical analysis, instead. We'd need a decent number of random pictures (the news will of course try and use as many as they can find), then do a count of what % are racist.

Nah you know how difficult it was to get that agent provocateur in place for that picture? Two tea party people saw him get out of the DNC van and had to be eliminated...

[SteamWake]

Dont expect alot of coverage on this event let alone 'random pictures' it is in the mainstream medias best interest to just let this pass with very little coverage.

No instead they will focus on the numbers and makeup of the crowd. The message is un-important and whipping up racisim paramount.

Now maybe It's just me but doesent the woman in the background of that picture appear to be of one of those 'other' races? The one with the cammo hat.

[mookiemookie]

Dont expect alot of coverage on this event let alone 'random pictures' it is in the mainstream medias best interest to just let this pass with very little coverage.

Isn't it funny how it's always "the mainstream media" that gets bashed by these types? Fox is the most watched new channel. Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, et. al. have large radio audiences. Investors Business Daily, Drudge Report, and a bunch of other right conservative rags are huge. Krauthammer, Malkin, Coulter and the rest have columns in most every newspaper. The right wing media noise machine is huge.

Haven't they become "the mainstream media"?

[tater]

Isn't it funny how it's always "the mainstream media" that gets bashed by these types? Fox is the most watched new channel. Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, et. al. have large radio audiences. Investors Business Daily, Drudge Report, and a bunch of other right conservative rags are huge. Krauthammer, Malkin, Coulter and the rest have columns in most every newspaper. The right wing media noise machine is huge.

Haven't they become "the mainstream media"?

Fox has the highest CABLE ratings. They don't touch the broadcast news in terms of viewers. The most eyeballs see the "mainstream" press, no question.

I like how a conservative editorial slant makes them "rags." Any conservative take on things is "the noise machine." Got it, as opposed to the "signal" which is whatever liberals are pushing.

Newspapers have editorial slants. It is public, they endorse candidates. You can look at said endorsements, and know with certainty where their slant is. News magazines and TV news pretend to be unbiased. They claim they are not biased, that is. Meanwhile, real journalists (newspapers) at least don't have that pretension.

Bottom line is that all studies of journalists at large shows a substantial bias in their political affiliations.

Rush, etc? Those are OPINION shows. They wear their bias on their sleeves. They don't claim to be NEWS. They don't claim to be unbiased, or somehow beholden to a transcendent code of ethics.

You appear to "have religion" regarding news—signal vs the noise of any opinion you disagree with. Myself, I take each story one at a time. I try to understand the bias of the reporting, and filter accordingly (that would go for fox, too, if I ever watched it). But enjoy whatever echo-chambers you read/see.

[mookiemookie]

I like how a conservative editorial slant makes them "rags." Any conservative take on things is "the noise machine." Got it, as opposed to the "signal" which is whatever liberals are pushing.

Both sides have rags and noise machines. Daily Kos is a liberal rag. Olbermann is a liberal noise machine. Don't misunderstand me. It's all a circus show.

You appear to "have religion" regarding news—signal vs the noise of any opinion you disagree with. Now you're making things up. I said nothing of the sort in that post. Don't do that.

Besides, it isn't news if it's an opinion. So your comment is not valid.

[tater]

Both sides have rags and noise machines. Daily Kos is a liberal rag. Olbermann is a liberal noise machine. Don't misunderstand me. It's all a circus show.

Gotcha. Fair enough. But you said "rags" and "noise machine" only in the context of opinions you disagree with. Had you mentioned "left" analogs, I'd not have responded that way.

Drudge doesn't really write much of anything, it's a page of links to news outlets. He's one of the bigger referrers to the NYT, The Guardian, WashPost, LA Times, etc. Yeah, he editorializes by which links, but it's not remotely the same as the editorial slant of a newspaper, newsmagazine, or TV news. They actually change the wording to suit them.

For TV, fox is IT. The ONLY news with any sort of conservative slant. They also have nonsense shows like Hannity, but in looking at NEWS slant, you can only look at the news shows (evening news, etc), not opinion shows—which are at least labeled as such.

Left TV? All the rest.

Newspapers? WSJ is right (not very, though), as in the WashTimes. The latter is not a major player.

News Magazines? None are conservative at all.

Columnists? Again, they are explicitly opinion.

I think the reason Rush, et al do so well is that there is a vacuum, and they fill it. Someone with a left slant can turn on the radio and listen to NPR, or any TV news other than Fox and hear an echo-chamber.

[Tribesman]

Dont expect alot of coverage on this event let alone 'random pictures' it is in the mainstream medias best interest to just let this pass with very little coverage.

:har::har::har::har::har:
Crazy conspiracy theories again.
The worlds third largest media company backs an event and somehow the "mainstream media" is something else entirely.

[tater]

:har::har::har::har::har:
Crazy conspiracy theories again.
The worlds third largest media company backs an event and somehow the "mainstream media" is something else entirely.

Mainstream media is defined by total eyeballs.

Fox News is a leader only on cable. All three cable news outlets combined don't add up to one nightly broadcast news viewership. The three combined have almost 20,000,000 viewers, Fox has ~2 million.

[tater]

The only broadcast news I ever hear on a regular basis is NPR, since that's what's on my radio every single morning.

That said, I often hear bias in there, though they are still good—just as the NYT is good, you just need to know where they are coming from, and seek some additional information.

I have a friend at NPR, actually, and he's pretty moderate-center. "Conservatives" in here would likely call him a liberal, LOL. I have another friend at the NYT. And a cousin is a reporter for Bloomberg. (wow, I know a lot of reporters, lol)

He told me he's virtually Rush Limbaugh at NPR in terms of their political spectrum (meaning a conservative Democrat would be "extreme right wing" there ;) ). He doesn't chime in with political opinions at work for that reason.

[Tribesman]

Mainstream media is defined by total eyeballs.

And newscorp is the worlds 3rd largest eyeball grabber, though with its news supply and partnership deals the two larger media groups get lots of their news from murdoch. which is why theliberal "mainstream media" conspircy is as nuts as the old wacko one about the zionists running the media.

[Sailor Steve]

One of these days Steve, you might just have to have to accept that words are just words, and it's not what you say that, but what you mean that really counts. There isn't anything wrong with any word in the English language in and of themselves, it's the context that makes them good or bad. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rVQGT01Kzg)
Then why use them, if they offend others? Just because you can? I don't care about words per se, but a proper respect and courtesy toward others is what makes us civilized. I use language in my private life that I don't use in public, and this is a public forum.

On the other hand, there are posted rules here, and they are there for a reason, which is also stated. That you choose to ignore them shows a lack of respect for pretty much everyone but yourself, including the site's owner.

[tater]

And newscorp is the worlds 3rd largest eyeball grabber, though with its news supply and partnership deals the two larger media groups get lots of their news from murdoch. which is why theliberal "mainstream media" conspircy is as nuts as the old wacko one about the zionists running the media.

This is a US story, we're only concerned with US eyeballs and US media.

Fox News is under 10% of news-viewership, and that's ALL shows on fox news vs just the "nightly news" on networks, not Fox's actual news.

So news viewership at fox vs the networks is noise, sorry.

Newspapers are down across the board, and none with major readership are really conservative (the WSJ being the largest circulation with anything like a conservative slant).

There are no US newsmagazines that are conservative at all (no one reads them anymore anyway, 'cept in waiting rooms).

[The Third Man]

Something to keep in mind.


A while back, “journalist” Eric Alterman wrote a book entitled “What Liberal Media?” (http://www.amazon.com/What-Liberal-Media-Truth-about/dp/0465001777) The book was an attempt to dispel the “myth” that the mainstream media leans left by a wide margin. Alterman was the member of Journolist who referred to Republicans as “f—ing NASCAR retards.” (http://michellemalkin.com/2010/07/21/v-o-day-at-journolist/)
On the other side, the left had a tizzy when it was learned Fox News/Rupert Murdoch had given $1 million (http://www.ajc.com/news/fox-donates-1-million-593985.html) to the Republican Governor’s Association. This prompted the head of the Democratic Governor’s Association to call for Fox News to air a disclaimer every time they did a report on a gubernatorial election.
Hey, I’d agree, provided that ABC, NBC and CBS do the same whenever they air any political story (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obama-Democrats-got-88-percent-of-TV-network-employee-campaign-contributions-101668063.html):

Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democratic candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.

The Democratic total of $1,020,816 was given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks, with an average contribution of $880.

By contrast, only 193 of the employees contributed to Republican candidates and campaign committees, for a total of $142,863. The average Republican contribution was $744.

Eighty-eight percent of employees (who identified their employer) of the three networks who donated to candidates gave to Democrats.

Something to keep in mind. Yeah you said that already.

[Zachstar]

1 t-shirt in 300,000+ people? How about a statistical analysis, instead. We'd need a decent number of random pictures (the news will of course try and use as many as they can find), then do a count of what % are racist. Though I am a little at a loss how an anti-slavery shirt is racist.

Stating something as a known fact that is entirely unsubstantiated often doesn't make it true.

I'm unwilling to make a statement one way or another about racism in such groups without pretty convincing statistics. I know I saw none driving down the street by a tea party thing here in town (it was right in front of my dentist's office, and I had to drive by about a mile of it after my appointment).

BTW, apply the same scrutiny to other rallies, say "million man march," or anti-war rallies.

Actually its 87 thousand from CBS

[tater]

Actually its 87 thousand from CBS

And NBC said 300k.

The park service could tell us, but when it became clear the "million man march" numbers were grossly exaggerated, the park service stopped publishing their numbers.

[Tribesman]

This is a US story, we're only concerned with US eyeballs and US media.

And???????
Fox News is under 10% of news-viewership
You mean that the hundreds of local broadcasters who get their news segments to broadcast from Fox are not getting Fox news:doh:

Newspapers are down across the board, and none with major readership are really conservative (the WSJ being the largest circulation with anything like a conservative slant).

Thats Newscorp isn't it, so the same news media empire as fox, can you run through all the "liberal" media national broadcasters who have deals with that group?

Your measure of mainstream media is way off as you are taking one group, limiting the measure of that group to one tiny portion of one small segment of one bloody big circle in the middle of a huge venn diagram and saying "oooooo look isn't that dot small"

[Ducimus]

Then why use them, if they offend others? Just because you can?

Because I don't appreciate being told what to do by someone who isn't my boss, immediate supervisor, etc. When there are kids around, or if its a family enviorment, Sure, i watch my language. But when it's just a bunch of guys talking amongst themselves? Not really. In any event, its not like i drop profanity every time i post. Once in awhile, yeah, but not very often, and if neal wants (or you want neal to) to boot me from subsim (again) for using profanity once in awhile, that's yours or his porogotive, but im not going to sit here like a welp with my tail between my legs simply because you don't like my choice of words. I will not be scared or intimidated into doing anything. Truth be told, my profanity level has decreased through the years. 15 years every other word I uttered would be words you seem to get up all in arms over.

The thing is, ive seen in just about every sub forum that you seem to be the profanity monitor. Someone slips so much as "****", which is censored, you then proceed to have a cow. EVERY TIME. And every time i think, "Lighten up for christ sakes!". Seriously man, if a small amount of profanity ruin your day, you must walk through life gritting your teeth.

[tater]

You mean that the hundreds of local broadcasters who get their news segments to broadcast from Fox are not getting Fox news:doh:

The ratings are for national, nightly news. They list the viewerships. Fox is noise. Local stations? You have been to the US, I believe, from other posts. You know then that the local news is ABC, CBS, and NBC, with some markets having Fox.

Our "Fox" local news is actually CBS. There is no Fox in NM at all. None. That is typical, in fact. A few big cities likely have local Fox news.

So all the local news is still the same national outlets (local stories done locally, and ll national/international stuff identical to the national news reports.

Fox News is noise. Really.

[Tribesman]

Our "Fox" local news is actually CBS. There is no Fox in NM at all. None. That is typical, in fact. A few big cities likely have local Fox news.

Oh dear, a quick look at fox news says 13 local broadcasters in New Mexico have its news programs one also has its business news program and another does one of its talking heads offers.

[Sailor Steve]

Because I don't appreciate being told what to do by someone who isn't my boss, immediate supervisor, etc.
That explains your reaction to me, which is more than fair, but it doesn't explain the use in the first place.

When there are kids around, or if its a family enviorment, Sure, i watch my language. But when it's just a bunch of guys talking amongst themselves?
But there are kids here. Which is not the reason for my reaction. More on that later.

that's yours or his porogotive, but im not going to sit here like a welp with my tail between my legs simply because you don't like my choice of words.
Not my prerogative at all. I have no authority or power to do anything but whine.

I will not be scared or intimidated into doing anything. Truth be told, my profanity level has decreased through the years. 15 years every other word I uttered would be words you seem to get up all in arms over.
Nor should you be intimidated. For me it's a matter of respect is all. Well, maybe a little more than that. More on that later.

The thing is, ive seen in just about every sub forum that you seem to be the profanity monitor. Someone slips so much as "****", which is censored, you then proceed to have a cow.
Very true. On the other hand people use useless language just because it's there. On the one hand they defend it by saying it doesn't mean anything, but on the other why say things that don't mean anything? As I see it it serves no purpose at all, so when I smash my thumb with a hammer, sure; but just to throw it out there? Useless.

EVERY TIME. And every time i think, "Lighten up for christ sakes!".
And to me that's the worst. If you believe in Christ, that's offensive. If you don't, why offend? Just because you can? (wait, I used that one already).

Seriously man, if a small amount of profanity ruin your day, you must walk through life gritting your teeth.
I do walk through life gritting my teeth. Not mainly because of that (though it's part of it), but because of the rules. I don't believe in racial or national characteristics, but I have a friend who insists that they are real, and that my German ancestry makes me more "law-and-order" than most other people. So yes, seeing the rules broken makes me grind my teeth and pull my hair more than just about anything else.

Obsessive-compulsive? Somewhat.

Better-than-thou? No, I avoid that one like a plague, but sometimes it slips in and then slips out of its own accord.

Closet Nazi? (oh no, what's-his-name's law strikes again!) Quite possibly, in that I hate disorder more than almost anything.

So I try to control it, but when something annoys me I have to say something. If that offends you, I apologize. My only choices however, are to say something, develop an ulcer, or go away. The last one isn't going to happen, the second one I avoid at all costs, so the easiest thing is to criticize.

So there.

[The Third Man]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/08/500x_shirtguy.jpg


The other side?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/08/protect_white_cracker_babies-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg

Remember........

A member of the New Black Panther Party was captured on video as he stood outside a polling place in Philadelphia on election day 2008 with a nightstick. The Bush Justice Department filed a civil case against the man, another New Black Panther Party member and the national party with voter intimidation. Once Obama took office, the Justice Department decided there wasn't enough evidence to merit the case against the other Black Panther and the national party, but obtained an injunction against the man carrying the nightstick.

[yubba]

I think he made it to page 8 of the Orlando Setaturdonfire.

[Aramike]

Actually its 87 thousand from CBSOkay, fine - 1 tshirt in 87,000 ... that was against racism.

Please reconcile.

[Bubblehead1980]

unfortunately I think he is, he thinks people like Beck and Palin are something more than just a joke:doh:

I dislike Palin but she rather popular and despite her being a bit of a dumb hick, she's a force to be reckoned with and will continue to be one, whether you, me, or anyone else likes it or not. Just saying...

[Bubblehead1980]

There was very few of color in that rally. You honestly believe anyone of color would be even remotely conformable IN the crowd after the events at the Mosque rally where a non Muslim was nearly pounded on?

Whitestock was a funny name I heard earlier today.

And don't try the ole projection tactic. Racism in Tea party rallies is well documented.

But if you want a more recent reminder of some of the people in these rallies.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/08/500x_shirtguy.jpg



So what if there were very few people of color in that rally? An event is not racist just because it does not attract a large number of minorities.Asserting someone or something is racist just because does not attract minorities in mass is racist in itself.

Most white people would not feel comfortable at a Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton rally and even though those two are clearly racist people, the even itself is not racist just because white people do not attend in mass.

No projection here, the term whitestock is racist.Imagine if someone called a large gathering of black people "blackstock" or something more creative like "watermelon-a-palooza" which hopefully they would never but just using that as an example, that would be racist.However, it seems you think only white people can be racist and thus white people are fair game for racial insults.I agree the term "whitestock" is funny but decided to point it out since you often pull the race card.

As far as the picture goes, well the shirt was in bad taste and he should not have but not racist really because it's true.All movements attract nuts.The far Left anti-war protesters attack ignorant people who don't understand things, all they know is they hate war.However, that guy is not the majority of the Tea Party movement.Left wing media would love everyone to believe that but it's simply not the case.Having said that, that guy is pretty disgusting.

[The Third Man]

There were very few people of color other than black, at the MLK speech.

[Tribesman]

There were very few people of color other than black, at the MLK speech.
You really do write a pile of crap.
Just ask the Klan, the marches was full of northern liberal commies and Jews upsetting the natural order that god set out for the proper decent white folk

[Tribesman]

far as the picture goes, well the shirt was in bad taste and he should not have but not racist really because it's true.
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
oh stop
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
you're killing me
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
As far as that picture goes the T-shirt shows that the person wearing it is very very stupid.
Come to think of it didn't the people of Haiti make a pact with the devil to get rid of slavery.......or was that just some more nonsense from a the religious right?

[Tchocky]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/13/haiti.pat.robertson/index.html - Yeah, that was Robertson

[Bubblehead1980]

:har::har::har::har::har::har:
oh stop
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
you're killing me
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
As far as that picture goes the T-shirt shows that the person wearing it is very very stupid.
Come to think of it didn't the people of Haiti make a pact with the devil to get rid of slavery.......or was that just some more nonsense from a the religious right?

Hmmm pretty sure I just saw a story on CBS not too long ago about child slavery and how it's grown since the earthquake due to all the orphans.
Slavery exists or did once exist in many cultures not just when mean white people enslaved Africans.As said, shirt was definitely in bad taste.

[August]

Note the Black woman and her child in the back ground. Not to puncture your theory but you have to admit they are looking quite comfortable! :DL

There was very few of color in that rally. You honestly believe anyone of color would be even remotely conformable IN the crowd after the events at the Mosque rally where a non Muslim was nearly pounded on?

Whitestock was a funny name I heard earlier today.

And don't try the ole projection tactic. Racism in Tea party rallies is well documented.

But if you want a more recent reminder of some of the people in these rallies.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2010/08/500x_shirtguy.jpg

[Subnuts]

I say we ought to invade Mauitania, kill all of the slave owners, and make the country safe for democracy.

[Stealth Hunter]

I say we ought to invade Mauitania, kill all of the slave owners, and make the country safe for democracy.

Then leave like we always do.:haha:

[Sailor Steve]

C'mon, you two! We're Americans - we couldn't find Mauitania on a map if someone paid us to!

[August]

C'mon, you two! We're Americans - we couldn't find Mauitania on a map if someone paid us to!


Isn't that what they call the ghetto in Maui?

[Takeda Shingen]

C'mon, you two! We're Americans - we couldn't find Mauitania on a map if someone paid us to!

:haha:

[Aramike]

Heh, we have the best educated American kids in the world.

[Sailor Steve]

Isn't that what they call the ghetto in Maui?
How did you know that? I'm having you investigated, you, you radical!

[gimpy117]

personally i think the whole thing was a publicity stunt.
What "honor" are we restoring? Sounds like another GOP attempt to say that everybody who doesn't support them is ______ (insert derogatory word here)

[Aramike]

personally i think the whole thing was a publicity stunt.
What "honor" are we restoring? Sounds like another GOP attempt to say that everybody who doesn't support them is ______ (insert derogatory word here)Umm...great insight?

You do realize, that a "rally", by definition, is a publicity stunt, right? :doh:

[Zachstar]

C'mon, you two! We're Americans - we couldn't find Mauitania on a map if someone paid us to!

Or most of the Capitals for that matter :D

[razark]

C'mon, you two! We're Americans - we couldn't find Mauitania on a map if someone paid us to!
Hey!

That's not true!

We've got google maps!

Oh, wait. It says "Did you mean: Mauritania (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&nfpr=1&&sa=X&ei=ZEN7TKq6GoWdlgfAr_3rCw&ved=0CBcQBSgA&q=Mauritania&spell=1)". Nevermind.

[Tribesman]

Hmmm pretty sure I just saw a story on CBS not too long ago about child slavery and how it's grown since the earthquake due to all the orphans.

You mean like those nice "christian" folks who rounded up a bunch of "orphans" to bring to the US to "adopt".

[Bubblehead1980]

You mean like those nice "christian" folks who rounded up a bunch of "orphans" to bring to the US to "adopt".


No, I mean Haitians enslaving other Haitians, usually orphans.

[Tribesman]

No, I mean Haitians enslaving other Haitians, usually orphans.
So you don't mean it when its done by Americans only when its non Americans
Can you find some examples?
May I suggest the State Dept yearly country reports on human rights abuses.
Would you like a link to the Haiti page or are you able to find documentation provided free by your evil feds?:rotfl2:

[SteamWake]

Not so white as advertised...

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=197029

[Aramike]

Not so white as advertised...

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=197029Didn't you hear?

Conservative black people aren't really black people at all.

[TLAM Strike]

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8794/beckmlkflowchart.jpg

[Aramike]

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8794/beckmlkflowchart.jpgLiberal tolerance at its finest.

It's amazing the dichotomy that the same left which believes, say, prisons are for rehabilitation and not punishment cannot accept that any CONSERVATIVE man could start off in the gutter and end up preaching strong values.

[gimpy117]

I think it's more showing the dichotomy between Beck "thinking" he's a civil leader and actually being one.

The Rally is a stunt, nothing more. Why else would Palin be there?
and I'm aware that a rally is a stunt. But usually it has some purpose other than furthering Palin's career and making beck feel important.

[Aramike]

I think it's more showing the dichotomy between Beck "thinking" he's a civil leader and actually being one.Do you intend upon showing how, or are you content upon just assuming that we should all just agree with you?The Rally is a stunt, nothing more. Why else would Palin be there?
and I'm aware that a rally is a stunt. But usually it has some purpose other than furthering Palin's career and making beck feel important. You clearly weren't aware that a rally is a "stunt" when, in another thread, you so insightfully opined that this Beck rally was, in your opinion, a publicity stunt.

As far as your assertion regarding Palin, let me introduce another term's meaning to you - "ad hominem". And the making Beck feel important part? Really? The guy is insanely popular. What do you base your accusation upon?

Seriously, man, is your entire life goal to be nothing more than the party-line Democrat? Look, I'm not much of a Beck fan myself, but your hatred for him seems to surpass any intellectual reasoning - else you would have provided one.

It must be nice to merely rely upon the Daily Kos and MSNBC for instructions upon how to think.

[fastfed]

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8794/beckmlkflowchart.jpg


Since some of their personal lives are mentioned, you forgot to put how much of a womanizer the king was, and how much he cheated on his wife!

[gimpy117]

Seriously, man, is your entire life goal to be nothing more than the party-line Democrat? Look, I'm not much of a Beck fan myself, but your hatred for him seems to surpass any intellectual reasoning - else you would have provided one.



Maybe I am a party line democrat. But thats my political affiliation. Just as you sound to be a party line republican. I don't have to agree with you to be intelligent.

also, a rally is held to further a cause as it's main point. I have the feeling this current "rally" is more about beck and Sara making a splash under the thin veil of a "political cause". Glen Beck is a T.V. Pundit. They make their living talking loud, and pissing people off for the fame. Thats exactly what sara and glen did. Made a lot of noise at the Lincoln memorial and got in the news. Even the date of the rally seems to have been picked to make it even more of controversy thus making it more noteworthy.

Furthermore, that picture pretty muched summed up how beck is certianally not cut out to be a moral leader.

[Aramike]

Maybe I am a party line democrat. But thats my political affiliation. Just as you sound to be a party line republican. I don't have to agree with you to be intelligent. Except I'm not a Republican. I'm very independent, and I certainly don't toe the party line.

In fact, I tend to disdain party line folks as representative of what's wrong with America - people who unwaveringly relegate their very opinions to others does nothing to encourage honesty in our representatives. Rather, it encourages otherwise.

It is a weak mind that decides to agree with an idea merely because they are supposed to, which is what party-line people do.Furthermore, that picture pretty muched summed up how beck is certianally not cut out to be a moral leader. That picture took some of the more eccentric parts of Beck's personal life and compared it to the accomplishments of King. It certainly wasn't an unbiased and fair comparison, and I suspect that most everyone of us wouldn't want to see a similar graphic comparing our more "loose" moments to Dr. King.

Only a liberal could think such a graphic is actually indicative of moral authority.

[The Third Man]

If nothing else the Saturday rally showed how upset the regular citizen is with the current affairs of the United States. We can argue how we got and stayed here, but we can all agree that a change is needed.

[Bubblehead1980]

Well honestly the regular citizen is in part to blame because for so long many had an apathy towards participating in government, even those who vote would often vote uninformed or just voted the same old douchebag back into office over and over.Thus why we have/had the Ted Kennedys, Arlen Specters, Chris Dodd's, Barney Franks, Dennis Hasterts etc

I think 2008 will be the last time for a long time that our citizens fall for a candidate like Obama.So many just jumped on the bandwagon without really looking him over because they are just tired of GW Bush and the pretend Republican policies.The various problems, election of Obama and the aftermath was a wake up call to many, this decade can still be saved but it will take continued involvement.One good thing about Obama being President, it awoke the sleeping giant:arrgh!:

[The Third Man]

Well honestly the regulary citizen is in part to blame because for so long many had an apathy towards participating in government, even those who vote would often vote uninformed or just voted the same old douchebag back into office over and over.Thus why we have/had the Ted Kennedys, Arlen Specters, Chris Dodd's, Barney Franks, Dennis Hasterts etc

I think 2008 will be the last time for a long time that our citizens fall for a candidate like Obama.So many just jumped on the bandwagon without really looking him over because they are just tired of GW Bush and the pretend Republican policies.The various problems, election of Obama and the aftermath was a wake up call to many, this decade can still be saved but it will take continued involvement.One good thing about Obama being President, it awoke the sleeping giant:arrgh!:

Which is why so much unwise legislation was enacted so quickly. Like robbers in the night, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have robbed the people of the United States of their birth right as individuals and have waged war on the life blood of the world, capitalism.

[Gerald]

The president refuses to stand up for immigration, gay rights, and religious freedom.Barack Obama's redecoration of the Oval Office includes a nice personal touch: a carpet ringed with favorite quotations from Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, both Presidents Roosevelt, and Martin Luther King Jr. The King quote, in particular, has become a kind of emblem for him: "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." For all the carping about his every move, the only big problem with the Obama Presidency is the gap between what's written on his rug, and what's buried under it—the distance between the President's veneration of moral leadership past and his failure, so far, to exhibit much of it himself.

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Note:Posted Saturday, Sept. 4, 2010, at 7:39