Is the cold war really over?

[AVGWarhawk]

Russian submarines are hunting down British Vanguard boats in a return to Cold War tactics not seen for 25 years, Navy chiefs have warned.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/7969017/Russian-subs-stalk-Trident-in-echo-of-Cold-War.html

[Takeda Shingen]

Huh. So Ivan is back. The patter of DW mission designers' feet can be heard as they scamper off to their consoles.

[AVGWarhawk]

:har: Good one!

[Gerald]

but in theory it's another thing,it is well known that major powers with sub-Nukes are playing with each other,and this is a longstanding one and will remain so,but other players without having Nukes is in play.

[Takeda Shingen]

:har: Good one!

Hey, it gave me a few ideas myself so, awesome. :up:

[ETR3(SS)]

As a former Trident sailor, I learned that the Cold War never ended. While the world rejoiced at the fall of communism, nothing really changed except for the name of one of the players.

[Takeda Shingen]

As a former Trident sailor, I learned that the Cold War never ended. While the world rejoiced at the fall of communism, nothing really changed except for the name of one of the players.

Hmm. I would ask you to tell more about your post-Cold War patrol expriences, as the subject interests me greatly, but I suspect that you can't without risking time in prison.

[AVGWarhawk]

As a former Trident sailor, I learned that the Cold War never ended. While the world rejoiced at the fall of communism, nothing really changed except for the name of one of the players.


From what I understand the cat and mouse games never really stopped.

[ETR3(SS)]

Hmm. I would ask you to tell more about your post-Cold War patrol expriences, as the subject interests me greatly, but I suspect that you can't without risking time in prison.You can always ask, and if I can't tell you I won't.:03:

[Takeda Shingen]

Well, okay. What I really want to ask is if the USN was still conducting missile partols up to the internationally-recognized 3-mile limit of territorial waters. I am sure that you cannot tell me that, though.

Aside from that, were you SubLant or SubPac? And is the GIUK Gap still an epicenter of submarine ops like it was in the 70's and 80?

It's all good if you can't tell me.

[ETR3(SS)]

Well, okay. What I really want to ask is if the USN was still conducting missile partols up to the internationally-recognized 3-mile limit of territorial waters. I am sure that you cannot tell me that, though.To that I'll say the Federation of American Scientists lists the range of a Trident II missile in excess of 4k NM. Also I'm not a Golden Dragon.:03:

Aside from that, were you SubLant or SubPac?SubPac, Group 9, Squadron 17

And is the GIUK Gap still an epicenter of submarine ops like it was in the 70's and 80? Not being in the Lant or on a fast attack I really couldn't say, but I don't see why that would change any.

[yubba]

Here at Cape Canaveral Fl ,I was wondering why, I was seeing more P-3s up , almost daily now after along time lull.

[Takeda Shingen]

To that I'll say the Federation of American Scientists lists the range of a Trident II missile in excess of 4k NM. Also I'm not a Golden Dragon.:03:

Ahhh. Thanks ETR. :up: I am always envious of real bubbleheads.

[ETR3(SS)]

Ahhh. Thanks ETR. :up: I am always envious of real bubbleheads.
No problem, anytime. Feel free to PM me if you want as well.:up:

[Gerald]

http://imgur.com/5CrE8.jpg

[ETR3(SS)]

http://imgur.com/5CrE8.jpgThere's things I can't talk about and there's things that I can. For those things that I can't, I'll either tell you I can't or come up with a way for you to come to your own conclusions. I was a Radioman and know full well the consequences of someone talking. *cough* John Walker *cough*

[Gerald]

There's things I can't talk about and there's things that I can. For those things that I can't, I'll either tell you I can't or come up with a way for you to come to your own conclusions. I was a Radioman and know full well the consequences of someone talking. *cough* John Walker *cough* I fully agree with what you can say and not say, when I myself am involved in similar things.

[Castout]

It's just routine in my opinion. As what can be expected since Russia isn't exactly allied with the US or UK in particular but saying it a new cold war ...well it just would not make perfect sense. Russia is no Soviet Union in strength and in political agenda.

The Akula skipper lost the game as he let his boat signature to be recorded by the Trafalgar. So we can surmise Trafalgar is still cutting age!:DL

This sounds like a new DW scenario . . .

I'd worry more about China especially after the next 2 decades.

[XabbaRus]

You wonder why this story has appeared now?

We in the UK are about to get one of the most horrendous of SDRs. The Navy is really fighting its corner to keep both Carriers in program and also not to have the cost for the new Trident boats shoved into the MoD budget which will require someone losing something, probably at least one carrier.

Unfortunately the idiots in white hall and the treasurey see Trident as a weapon not as a political stick.

[ETR3(SS)]

You wonder why this story has appeared now?

We in the UK are about to get one of the most horrendous of SDRs. The Navy is really fighting its corner to keep both Carriers in program and also not to have the cost for the new Trident boats shoved into the MoD budget which will require someone losing something, probably at least one carrier.

Unfortunately the idiots in white hall and the treasurey see Trident as a weapon not as a political stick.Isn't the Trident program the only delivery system the UK has?

[Tchocky]

Ah, if the attack submarines of the world didn't spend their time hunting boomers then we'd have something to talk about :D

[Skybird]

Is the cold war really over?
I spent yesterday and most of today with blowing up T-55s, T-62s and T-72s, while seing my Leopard-1s getting mauled and my M60s getting shreddered, so I would say - yes, the cold war is over.


:D

[Oberon]

Isn't the Trident program the only delivery system the UK has?

Yup... :damn:

This SDR is going to do our military more damage than the Taliban, Iraqi insurgents and Nazi war machine combined I'd say. Makes me rather peeved I tell you, but that seems to be how it goes.

But back to the subject at hand, I heard back a few years ago that one of our Nimrods caught a Russian boat off one of our north-eastern ports, can't remember the one though.
Good to hear we managed to turn the tables on the Akula, I would have loved to hear that tape they played the Telegraph :haha: Good to see the RN still has it, and that's with a Traffie. I wonder how things will be when they finally turn the Astute loose off Faslane :yeah:

Like Tak said though, good DW fodder :rock: Must give that another bash soon :up:

[Bilge_Rat]

up here in canada, I see news report 1-2 a month of Russian patrol planes coming up to the canadian border before turning back, often only after CF-18's have been scrambled to intercept them. That had stopped almost completely after the cold war, but is now a more regular occurance. There was one just last week.


Those sovereignty concerns were highlighted Tuesday with news that two CF-18 fighter jets were scrambled to intercept Russian bombers that came within 55 kilometres of Canada’s Arctic territory on Tuesday.

The Canadian fighters took off from their base in Cold Lake and visually identified the Russian TU-95 Bear bombers about 222 north of Inuvik, N.W.T. The two aircraft came within 55 kilometres of Canadian soil before turning around, shadowed by the fighter jets.

“Thanks to the rapid response of the Canadian Forces, at no time did the Russian aircraft enter Canadian sovereign airspace,” Harper said.

Russia has stepped up such flights – a carryover from the Cold War era – in recent years, prompting occasional tensions between Ottawa and Moscow.



http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/852059

[ETR3(SS)]

I think that the Russians are trying to show everyone that after almost 20 years since the collapse of the Soviet Union they can be, and still are, a part of the game.