Glenn Beck's 'restore honor' rally...

[SteamWake]

Slated for this weekend.

Should be interisting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/25/AR2010082507063_pf.html

[AVGWarhawk]

I find this will be a serious waste of time and energy to be honest. Not to mention the resources the city will have to come up with. I think Beck is off his rocker as well.

[Konovalov]

Glenn who? And what is he going to restore honor to? :-?

[Takeda Shingen]

I find this will be a serious waste of time and energy to be honest. Not to mention the resources the city will have to come up with. I think Beck is off his rocker as well.

I would be less generous; Glenn Beck is an unhinged loon who helps give conservatism a bad name.

[AVGWarhawk]

Usually as I'm breezing my way up to the History Channel or HD Channel I will stop and listen to this guy. Really, he nuts. I just shake my head and then go watch American Pickers or Pawn Stars.

[Takeda Shingen]

Usually as I'm breezing my way up to the History Channel or HD Channel I will stop and listen to this guy. Really, he nuts. I just shake my head and then go watch American Pickers or Pawn Stars.

Pawn Stars is awesome.

[Aramike]

I would be less generous; Glenn Beck is an unhinged loon who helps give conservatism a bad name.Which is unfortunate because, if I recall correctly, he's more of a libertarian than a conservative.

I could be wrong on that number, though.

[Konovalov]

Ok, I think I get the picture now as to this guy. But if tens of thousands of people turn up to this rally what does that say?

[Takeda Shingen]

Which is unfortunate because, if I recall correctly, he's more of a libertarian than a conservative.

I could be wrong on that number, though.

He's more of a social engineer than an economist, which is really the point of his whole rally. So, he's Neo-Con through and through. It cannot be overstated how much harm the talk radio crowd has done to American Conservatism.

[Zachstar]

I hope the cameras are rolling to expose the amount of racists the various claimed "moderate" rallies swarm with.

Keep the rallies coming! Every rally is a chance to expose the racists within it to the world.

[frau kaleun]

Ok, I think I get the picture now as to this guy. But if tens of thousands of people turn up to this rally what does that say?

That no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people?

[AVGWarhawk]

I hope the cameras are rolling to expose the amount of racists the various claimed "moderate" rallies swarm with.

Keep the rallies coming! Every rally is a chance to expose the racists within it to the world.

Yeah the place is packed with racists. Get your racist t-shirt for the event. :doh:

[Oberon]

We signed the Wellington Declaration a couple of years ago and it came into effect the beginning of this month...that means we have a load of cluster munitions we need to get rid of...if you can lend us the aircraft...we could solve two problems in one. :hmmm::03:

[SteamWake]

I hope the cameras are rolling to expose the amount of racists the various claimed "moderate" rallies swarm with.

Keep the rallies coming! Every rally is a chance to expose the racists within it to the world.

Yup Sharpton and his goons should make for a good show.

I knew the racisist card would quickly come out. Sure as the sun rises.

[Aramike]

He's more of a social engineer than an economist, which is really the point of his whole rally. So, he's Neo-Con through and through. It cannot be overstated how much harm the talk radio crowd has done to American Conservatism.Judging by the polls, I'm not sure he's done any harm at all.

Hey, I agree that the guy's a bit of a loon. But he certainly is striking a chord with people.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yup Sharpton and his goons should make for a good show.

I knew the racisist card would quickly come out. Sure as the sun rises.


I read that Sharpton is dedicating a place by the Lincoln Memorial to King on the same day. Personally, I would reschedule this usless rally of Becks and allow Sharpton to go on with the dediction. I'm not a Sharpton fan but I see this is the right thing to do concerning dedicating the piece of land for the memorial.

[TLAM Strike]

We signed the Wellington Declaration a couple of years ago and it came into effect the beginning of this month...that means we have a load of cluster munitions we need to get rid of...if you can lend us the aircraft...we could solve two problems in one. :hmmm::03:
Sorry but we can't even afford to keep our aircraft flying anymore. Have you seen our Air Force lately? Its down to oversize RC Planes. Best we can do is give you something to violate Declaration 1 of the Hague Convention of 1899.

[Takeda Shingen]

Judging by the polls, I'm not sure he's done any harm at all.

Hey, I agree that the guy's a bit of a loon. But he certainly is striking a chord with people.

Are you kidding me? Neo-Conservatism has failed. It's why we have a Democratic majority in the house and senate and a Democrat in the White House all at the same time. As a Paleo-Conservative, I find myself completely disheartened by the state of affairs in the Republican Party.

And one should not take dissatisfaction with the current party in power as tacit approval of the opposing party. That would be foolish. Personally, I am not happy with the current state of the Democratic Party governement, but at the same time cannot think of a single Republican candidate of whom I would be more confident. It is a sad state of affairs, and likely contributes to my disgust with the political.

[Oberon]

Sorry but we can't even afford to keep our aircraft flying anymore. Have you seen our Air Force lately? Its down to oversize RC Planes. Best we can do is give you something to violate Declaration 1 of the Hague Convention of 1899.

Well, it worked for Germany in 1915 :yep:

[UnderseaLcpl]

Which is unfortunate because, if I recall correctly, he's more of a libertarian than a conservative.

I could be wrong on that number, though.

I suppose he could be qualified as a libertarian in some respects, but he's more of a Bob Barr than a Ron Paul. Tak is right about his social engineering. Whatever his economic beliefs, Beck has a very conservative moral message, which places him squarely in the ranks of traditional Republicans on most societal issues. Just look at the article. Not that I think there is anything wrong with that, so long as moral messages are not confused with policy.

I'm actually happy that Beck and the Tea Partiers are providing an impetus for a classic platform shift for Republicans, as they have a poor history of fulfilling the promises of smaller government and greater economic freedoms. It may not pay off in the elections this year or even in 2012(partially because the tea party is producing a bull-moose party effect), but it will pay off as this recession continues to drag on and the independents grow increasingly disillusioned with Democratic attempts at recovery. A free economy, I believe, is the most important element in liberty. Though I try to live by conservative moral codes it is anathema to me to try to impose them upon anyone else without their consent. With economic freedom comes societal freedom as people are freed from the shackles of subsistence. Socialism, and whatever so-called "third-way" euphemism is substituted for it, on the other hand, breeds dependence, poverty, and a reduction of liberties. Better to live in Singapore than India.

The silver lining to the two-party cloud is that the Dems will be forced to take the opposite tack from the Republicans' new platform/initiative and strain their vernacular and rhetoric to the maximum in an attempt to re-word Keynesianism, entitlement theory, and another kind of social engineering to remain viable by capturing extremist votes and swaying independents. Anything that forestalls their current agenda and expands free trade gets a plus in my book. On the flipside, the cloud itself is that it won't take long for voters, and therefore the Republicans and Democrats to readjust themselves and become Republicrats once again and we'll be stuck with this same crap thirty years from the end of the recession, just in a different toilet.

edit-And one should not take dissatisfaction with the current party in power as tacit approval of the opposing party. That would be foolish. Personally, I am not happy with the current state of the Democratic Party governement, but at the same time cannot think of a single Republican candidate of whom I would be more confident. It is a sad state of affairs, and likely contributes to my disgust with the political.

Indeed they shouldn't, but they do, at least in sufficient numbers to be categorized as the "swing" vote. It's the natural result of a winner-takes-all system and a powerful government. Limited choice and concentrated power will always breed inefficiency, insufficiency, inequality, and dissatisfaction.

[SteamWake]

Are you kidding me? Neo-Conservatism has failed. It's why we have a Democratic majority in the house and senate and a Democrat in the White House all at the same time.

For the time being at least... Dont forget their popularity is plunging sharpley.

Besides from what I understand this rally is not really meant to be political in nature. Only time will tell.

As to Sharptons assembly they only decided to do that after they learned of Becks event. So shouldent they consider re-scheduling? But that would defeat their purpose.

[Takeda Shingen]

For the time being at least... Dont forget their popularity is plunging sharpley.

Besides from what I understand this rally is not really meant to be political in nature. Only time will tell.

As to Sharptons assembly they only decided to do that after they learned of Becks event. So shouldent they consider re-scheduling? But that would defeat their purpose.

Maybe it is political, maybe it isn't. Like you said, only time will tell. It does seem to me to be part of the continued power grab of the religious right, much like in the wake of George H. W. Bush's defeat in 1992. In any case, I think the rally will be a non-event in terms of fireworks. He'll get his crowd, and probably a good-sized one. However, he'll proselytize, crowds will cheer, Sharpton will do his thing, his crowds will cheer, and everyone will go home.

I could be wrong, though; it may end up being interesting after all.

[Takeda Shingen]

Indeed they shouldn't, but they do, at least in sufficient numbers to be categorized as the "swing" vote. It's the natural result of a winner-takes-all system and a powerful government. Limited choice and concentrated power will always breed inefficiency, insufficiency, inequality, and dissatisfaction.

That's been my take on politics for about the last 15 years. I still belong to the Republican Party, but it is becoming a party that is increasingly distant from what it's stated ideals are, and overtly hostile to anyone who attempts to point that out.

[Bubblehead1980]

I am not a big fan of Glenn Beck and rarely watch his program but the guy is not off his rocker.I believe Beck is an intelligent but not formally educated man who is driven in many aspects by his faith.Beck has an animated personality and has struck a chord with many people for sure. Beck does love the country and is very passionate.When did being passionate about something become a bad thing and qualify someone as crazy?

Beck went after Van Jones, showed clear evidence of his extremism and due to his hounding and exposure, essentially forced his resignation from the Obama Regime, er I mean Admin:o.Beck forced out the Mao loving Anita Dunn.Beck has exposed many others such as Cass Sunstein etc Beck has also brought many things to light about Obama etc that are not opinion but documented facts.

I hate to sit here and defend him as I am not a big fan but he's not crazy and is effective because he backs up what he speaks when exposing the dirty laundry, thus why he is reviled on the Left and by some on the Right.

As far as the rally goes, great for them and who cares if it's on the day of MLK's speech.That one day is not preserved just for MLK, even though he was a decent man and leader from what I can tell.Al Sharpton has done more to set back African Americans because he's just a racist fool and crook so he's not even worth discussing.

[Tribesman]

I am not a big fan of Glenn Beck and rarely watch his program but the guy is not off his rocker.
Its true, beck is not off his rocker, he is perfectly sane, he just pretends to be frothing at the mouth space cadet to cater for the tastes of elements of his audience.
I mean honestly if he really believed half of that rubbish he rants about he would have been certified years ago.

[Bubblehead1980]

That's been my take on politics for about the last 15 years. I still belong to the Republican Party, but it is becoming a party that is increasingly distant from what it's stated ideals are, and overtly hostile to anyone who attempts to point that out.


I too am a Republican but have been disappointed in the party for a long time due to all the RINO's and moderates like McCain, Graham etc.We need to offer clear difference to our leaders.We went wrong under Bush because he didn't stick to conservative principles and he was supposedly a Conservative Republican.November and 2012 will be about clear differences between candidates.What I love is the apathy among people in Republican party is gone.The Obama Regime has been bad for American but good in the sense that perhaps it is sparking another conservative revolution.

[Bubblehead1980]

Its true, beck is not off his rocker, he is perfectly sane, he just pretends to be frothing at the mouth space cadet to cater for the tastes of elements of his audience.
I mean honestly if he really believed half of that rubbish he rants about he would have been certified years ago.


well glad we can agree that he is not off his rocker.However, I don't think he is a hypocrite as youre suggesting.

[AVGWarhawk]

I hope it sparks new faces and thoughts in DC.

[Tribesman]

well glad we can agree that he is not off his rocker.However, I don't think he is a hypocrite as youre suggesting.
Oh dear, so you think he believes all that crap he says....well that clearly makes him insane then.

[Takeda Shingen]

I too am a Republican but have been disappointed in the party for a long time due to all the RINO's and moderates like McCain, Graham etc.We need to offer clear difference to our leaders.We went wrong under Bush because he didn't stick to conservative principles and he was supposedly a Conservative Republican.November and 2012 will be about clear differences between candidates.What I love is the apathy among people in Republican party is gone.The Obama Regime has been bad for American but good in the sense that perhaps it is sparking another conservative revolution.

Then we are opposites of each other. I have watched the moral and religious right pull the party away from it's ideals of responsible government, fiscal solvency and prudence in foreign affairs in favor of the rights of the fetus, the continued ban on homosexual unions and the war against dangerous stem cells.

The Neo-Cons of the Bush Administration were the darlings of the far-right. To dispute that now would be revisionary. Since 1992, these people have abandoned the ideals of the Republican Party that my father introduced me to in favor of what I listed above. Were he alive today, he would likely not recognize this party.

[Bubblehead1980]

Then we are opposites of each other. I have watched the moral and religious right pull the party away from it's ideals of responsible government, fiscal solvency and prudence in foreign affairs in favor of the rights of the fetus, the continued ban on homosexual unions and the war against dangerous stem cells.

The Neo-Cons of the Bush Administration were the darlings of the far-right. To dispute that now would be revisionary. Since 1992, these people have abandoned the ideals of the Republican Party that my father introduced me to in favor of what I listed above. Were he alive today, he would likely not recognize this party.

Oh not disagreeing the religious nuts have hurt the party, I dislike them but they do help elect our candidates.I also agree that Bush and his people were the darlings once, I will admit I voted for him in 2004(couldnt vote in 2000) and don't regret it because he was still a better choice than John Kerry.

I believe our party learned the lesson of the Bush years and things will be different.

[Platapus]

Which is unfortunate because, if I recall correctly, he's more of a libertarian than a conservative.

I could be wrong on that number, though.

He's more of a social engineer than an economist, which is really the point of his whole rally. So, he's Neo-Con through and through. It cannot be overstated how much harm the talk radio crowd has done to American Conservatism.


I think he is an entertainer that will do anything for ratings. When he was on CNN he "acted" libertarian, when that fell through all of a sudden he turned conservative and went to fox. When fox dumps him he will change into anything the next station will pay him for.

[Bubblehead1980]

I think he is an entertainer that will do anything for ratings. When he was on CNN he "acted" libertarian, when that fell through all of a sudden he turned conservative and went to fox. When fox dumps him he will change into anything the next station will pay him for.

I never watched him on CNN but have heard many say he's basically the same except at CNN he didn't have the free reign he does at Fox.I mean it is Communist News Network after all:haha: CNN is actually kind of fair compared to MSNBC but does lean to left and has the most boring people except Jack Cafferty lol

[Takeda Shingen]

I think he is an entertainer that will do anything for ratings. When he was on CNN he "acted" libertarian, when that fell through all of a sudden he turned conservative and went to fox. When fox dumps him he will change into anything the next station will pay him for.

Hmm. There's always that to consider as well. It is true that these talk-show guys are marketing a brand in a business where controversy sells. People tune in to hear yelling, not agreement.

[Ducimus]

All I care to say right now is that ALL these talk show guys (and gal) are NOT doing the republican's any favors. From my point of view, all they're doing is riling people up, and radicalizing them to the extreme far right, where the religious right dwells. That's a massive turn off to me. That and rhetoric.

Seems like all i ever hear from the republican's/right wing is rhetoric. So in so is a comunist/socialist. So in so did this, so in so did that. I really don't give a rats ass what so in so did. I want to know what YOUR going to do, and HOW you plan on doing it. I don't care for more rhetoric. From this laymans point of view who really doesnt care for either party, the republicans are fragmented, seemingly have no singular purpose or goal other then to gain back lost political power, spew vomit, and seem to be increasingly radicalized, and extreme, - which as i mentioned is a big turn off.

edit:

To counter that , ill say that the left is too bleeding heart for me at times as well. But If i had to vote for a left or right candidate right now, knowing nothing of the candidate himself? Id lean left. Not because i agree with left wing policies, but because they sound the most sane.

[Oberon]

The Right wings seem to get more air time, I don't know, maybe they're louder than the Left, but Ducimus is correct, the more radical right the standard middle ground people see, the more they will be pushed left of center.
Of course, it works both ways, but all I've seen is 'Obama bad this' 'Obama destroying that' 'Obama will be the doom of us all' and after a while it kinda stops going in, you know, like when the ground gets saturated with rain and it starts running off. People hear the same thing day in day out, they're going to stop listening to it. :hmmm:

[mookiemookie]

Will there be commemorative Glenn Beck gold coins given away? :|\\

[Alky]

I mean honestly if he really believed half of that rubbish he rants about he would have been certified years ago.
What part of history is "rubbish"? Beck researches everything he "rants" about. Anyone is welcome to refute anything he says, but they can't. Not even the White House, he's had that red phone on his show and the WH knows the number, but they don't dispute anything either.

[yubba]

The ones who don't want to hear the truth are the ones doin the stupid s--t, and what's wrong, believing in the constitution and following the rule of law. Liberalism = Socialism. If you aren't part of the solution , you're part of the problem. Check this 1 in 10 homes in foreclosure how about that for truth.

[Rilder]

Glenn Beck is indeed a complete nutjob, unfortunately because he -famous- that means he can be as insane as he wants without getting thrown in a loony bin.

[yubba]

If we didn't have these nut jobs, holding the so called political nut jobs feet to the fire , who will ?

[mookiemookie]

The ones who don't want to hear the truth are the ones doin the stupid s--t, and what's wrong, believing in the constitution and following the rule of law. Liberalism = Socialism. If you aren't part of the solution , you're part of the problem. Check this 1 in 10 homes in foreclosure how about that for truth.

Actually, Liberalism is the idea that political power should derive from a mandate from the voters through representative democracy, and the rejection of absolute monarchy and nobility.

But I guess that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.

[Bubblehead1980]

Ducimus, the Republicans are supposed to put out a plan after labor day, they are working on it, something akin to the Contract with America so it won't just be so and so is bad vote Republican.

Having said that, I understand the religious right pushing you away, they are a great source of annoyance to me and make my party look bad but they have their right to be ignorant as well.I can't see how it'd drive someone that much to the left considering the road to ruin the Left has kept us on.The differences are very clear to me and perhaps will be to more after the GOP puts out their plan.

[yubba]

One party rule is not a democracy , and the democratic party is out of control ,voted by liberals for liberals. Maybe they ought to read these bills before they pass them, or maybe you are ok with the crap that is going on in DC. Liberalism still = Socialism or communism yea, spread the wealth around take it out of my pocket and give it to Pedro the illegal, better yet to those mosques over seas.

[Bubblehead1980]

Well we are actually a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy.

I am not for one party control normally but since the Democratic Party has devolved into the Socialist Party for most part, the only current aleternative is the Republican Party which is undergoing a refreshing revolution to be more of the constitutional conservative party and is the only thing that can stop Obama for next two years.Of course the name will stay Republican and Democrats will stay Democrats in name.Perhaps after November the Dems will have a revolution in their party, oust the far left bats and perhaps offer us a decent alternative again.

If we had a decent democrat run for office I'd consider voting for him/her.Every Democrat, esp on national stage tend to associate with trash I just can't support.They pander to racist minority groups, unions, etc play class and race warfare etc

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm not really interested in a protracted engagement over the matter, but it does bear noting that the economy crumbled under the watch of a Republican president, and that Fannie and Freddy were supported by a large number of Republican legislators. The mess in the Middle East was begun by a Republican administration. And all of this with the party being controlled by the far-right. And after all of that, they still have the audacity to claim that the party lost it's way by not listening to them. Garbage; they were running the show within the party, and had been since '93.

Sorry, but our [Republicans] loons are just as bad as their's. Pointing at the Democrats and saying 'crazy' just doesn't hold water.

[yubba]

Back to the same ole get nothing done DC, better this, than where we are going. I think I like muslims better than liberals. oh no, I'm a liberal phobe. The democrats have been in power since 06 and Obama was there for it and it got worst, look where we are at now, you want more. Yes sir, may I have another. What about Howard Dean he is koo koo for cocoa puffs.

[Takeda Shingen]

The democrats have been in power since 06 and Obama was there for it and it got worst,

This train started moving back in the late 90's. Sorry, that dog won't hunt.

look where we at now, you want more.

I do?

What about Howard Dean.

What about him? Or Sarah Palin? Or Ross Perot? Or Ralph Nader? The Democratic Party doesn't have a monopoly on idiots.

[Ducimus]

And all of this with the party being controlled by the far-right.

When it comes to who's running the nation, I have to say, I dislike extremes. Extreme left is bad. Extreme right is equally bad. One part or another controlling congress and the white house is bad.

I wish this age of political extremism would go away. I want people who are logical, pragmatic, intelligent, informed, does not see the world as just black and white but also the shades of gray it really is, and can make decisions not based on faith, but on what is logical and prudent for the matter at hand. But since im dreaming big here, I also want said leaders with a sense of integrity who make decisions based on what is good the country, not for what is good special interests.

Said description doesn't exist in either party right now, and probably never will. I wonder if it ever has.

[Takeda Shingen]

Said description doesn't exist in either party right now, and probably never will. I wonder if it ever has.

You're right on all accounts, and in all probability, it has never existed outside of ideals. I'm sure that in 10 years we'll all have something else to complain about regarding politicians.

Heh, I've talked about politics far more in the past 10 hours than I have in the past 10 years. I feel like I need a shower.

[frau kaleun]

I'm still trying to decide if I'm supposed to be a Muslim, or a godless socialist. :O:

[Oberon]

I'm still trying to decide if I'm supposed to be a Muslim, or a godless socialist. :O:

You're both! :timeout:

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm still trying to decide if I'm supposed to be a Muslim, or a godless socialist. :O:

Well, with all due respect to your phenominal cosmic powers, I believe that you are supposed to be a lesser deity yourself. Technically, we should be worshiping you.

Oh Frau Kaleun, I beg thee smiteth mine enemies with blindness and boils

EDIT: Intended as humorous. Don't hate me.

[yubba]

In the 90s I had a great job , good money in construction, well as soon as the democrats took over in 06 lost that job and been jobless since. I remember well when the housing bubble was about to burst and things started to fall apart , what was the democratic congress doin , I'll tell you, they were checking baseball players for drugs for months .

[frau kaleun]

Well, with all due respect to your phenominal cosmic powers, I believe that you are supposed to be a lesser deity yourself. Technically, we should be worshiping you.

I can live with that.


Oh Frau Kaleun, I beg thee smiteth mine enemies with blindness and boils

EDIT: Intended as humorous. Don't hate me.

It's been a long week. How about chronic eye boogers and a really painful cold sore?

[mookiemookie]

In the 90s I had a great job , good money in construction, well as soon as the democrats took over in 06 lost that job and been jobless since. I remember well when the housing bubble was about to burst and things started to fall apart , what was the democratic congress doin , I'll tell you, they were checking baseball players for drugs for months .

I would be somewhat morbidly curious as to how you would pin the entire housing bubble as being the fault of one political party, but thinking through it logically, I know that it would only highlight a lack of understanding of the complex and multitude factors that contributed to a breakdown in our economic system, and I fear to witness the mental gymnastics required to place the entirety of the fault upon Democrats and Democrats alone. And lord knows that I'd have to launch into my standard non-partisan explanation of what happened, and that's just more than I want to type now.

So I'll just remain over here.

Here's a dancing bear.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2926869841_46e4ef508b_o.gif

[Takeda Shingen]

That would be awesome, frau. :up:

As a postscript, I am relieved you did not take offense. It has been a serious thread, and I was afriad that, given my track record, my comment would be seen as insulting.

I was very snippy with you when you first joined. You did not derserve that and I am sorry for my behavior. I am glad you are around. You're a better person than I. :yep:

[TLAM Strike]

I'm still trying to decide if I'm supposed to be a Muslim, or a godless socialist. :O:

You're both! :timeout:


So she is like the Soviet Republic of Gilan?

Or the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya?


:hmmm:

[frau kaleun]

You're both! :timeout:

I'm a dessert topping and a floor wax (http://www.sandrarose.com/images5/meds-overprescribing.jpg)!

[Takeda Shingen]

Here's a dancing bear.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2926869841_46e4ef508b_o.gif

Wow. That bear can move. My hamstrings hurt just watching him.

[frau kaleun]

That would be awesome, frau. :up:

As a postscript, I am relieved you did not take offense. It has been a serious thread, and I was afriad that, given my track record, my comment would be seen as insulting.

I was very snippy with you when you first joined. You did not derserve that and I am sorry for my behavior. I am glad you are around. You're a better person than I. :yep:

Eh, we all have our off days. 'Tweren't no big thang. It's all good between me and thee. :sunny:

[Aramike]

Are you kidding me? Neo-Conservatism has failed. It's why we have a Democratic majority in the house and senate and a Democrat in the White House all at the same time. As a Paleo-Conservative, I find myself completely disheartened by the state of affairs in the Republican Party. Are YOU kidding me?

That's akin to saying that liberalism had failed when Bush was in office and the Republicans had both houses of Congress. That makes no sense.

In fact, Newt Gingrich, THE face of neoconservatism, is running suprisingly well in early polls. As there are many other options in an anti-incumbent year, this would not only be surprising but outright shocking in a era of failed neoconservatism.

Regardless, I don't find Beck to be instrumental in the "failure" of the last elections. There are people who like him, and there are those who hate him - just like any other talking head.

[Aramike]

I would be somewhat morbidly curious as to how you would pin the entire housing bubble as being the fault of one political party, but thinking through it logically, I know that it would only highlight a lack of understanding of the complex and multitude factors that contributed to a breakdown in our economic system, and I fear to witness the mental gymnastics required to place the entirety of the fault upon Democrats and Democrats alone. And lord knows that I'd have to launch into my standard non-partisan explanation of what happened, and that's just more than I want to type now. I agree with mookie here. As a matter of fact, I think the housing bubble had little to do with politicians of either party, but its fun to watch them blame one another.

[Takeda Shingen]

Are YOU kidding me?

That's akin to saying that liberalism had failed when Bush was in office and the Republicans had both houses of Congress.

I think you misunderstand what I was saying. Old liberalism's failure ushered in the 'Republican revolution' of '94, bringing Neo-Conservatism into the mainstream of politics. Now, Clinton was a Houdini of a politician, but outside of the White House, that failure kept the the liberals in the woods, for the most part, until 2006. It was the failure of Neo-Conservatism, in turn, that allowed the new left to come into that same mainstream. And here we are today.

Old liberalism did not fail when the Republicans were in power. It failed before that. It is why they came into power. The same is true for today and the failure of Neo-Conservatism. What I can say about polls is simply that the social-conservative faction of the Republican party, despite it's disasterous rule, remains very powerful, with a near stranglehold on the traditional media outlets. They are the ones you hear, the ones with the loudest voices. However, despite all of the noise they make, I do not believe that they represent the majority of those who call themselves conservatives. They certainly do not speak for me.

[Tribesman]

What part of history is "rubbish"? Beck researches everything he "rants" about. Anyone is welcome to refute anything he says, but they can't. Not even the White House, he's had that red phone on his show and the WH knows the number, but they don't dispute anything either.
Did you just do a show at Edinburgh?:up:

[Alky]

Old liberalism did not fail when the Republicans were in power. It failed before that. It is why they came into power.

Progressives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism) have taken over the Democratic Party. What was once the Democratic Party of JFK is nothing like today's Dems. There are Progressives in the Republican Party as well, John McCain is one, they're bent destroying America as well, just at a slower pace.

[mookiemookie]

Progressives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism) have taken over the Democratic Party. What was once the Democratic Party of JFK is nothing like today's Dems. There are Progressives in the Republican Party as well, John McCain is one, they're bent destroying America as well, just at a slower pace.

Look at the imagery there. Before, it was about politics and disagreements and just plain old "your idea is dumb." Now one side accuses the other of "hating America" or wanting to see it "destroyed" or brought down. This country is being whipped up through hate and fear and scare tactics appealing to base emotion and not logic. It's disgusting. And the sheep eat it up.

This type of militaristic and apocalyptic hate speech is doing more harm to the country than any political party's platform ever will.

[frau kaleun]

Or the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya?


Hey, I had one of those for dinner recently.

No, wait, it was a Chimichanga.

I'm a godless socialist Muslim who eats illegal Messican food. FEAR ME!

[SteamWake]

300,000 to 500,000 ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/politics/29beck.html

[mookiemookie]

300,000 to 500,000 ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/politics/29beck.html

Or 87,000. Or 300,000. Or 500,000. Crowd size doesn't make something any more legitimate or illegitimate. Who knows, who cares. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html

[SteamWake]

Crowd estimates used to be provided by the National Park Service, but the agency stopped counting crowds in 1997 after being accused of underestimating the size of the Million Man March in 1995.


The 300,000 estimate in the CBS articlle is cited as being conservative (pardon the pun).

Now we get an estimate by the freakin New York Times and some aireal photo 'experts' that arent even 1/3 of CBS's 'conservative' estimate. Not to say that NYT is 'in the bag' for the liberals or anything... :haha:

But evidently there are alot more pepole that 'care' than you would be comfortable with.

[mookiemookie]

But evidently there are alot more pepole that 'care' than you would be comfortable with.

You don't understand the magnitude of the crap I don't give. Unless it's an election, it means diddly.

[UnderseaLcpl]

You don't understand the magnitude of the crap I don't give. Unless it's an election, it means diddly.
Let's hope the Dems think the same way and ignore the momentum that the restructured right has been building until it means more than diddly.

[mookiemookie]

Let's hope the Dems think the same way and ignore the momentum that the restructured right has been building until it means more than diddly.

Don't know what to tell you. I can't get that scared or excited about politics anymore. It's one big circus show with corporate overlords pulling the strings on both sides. I've become quite disillusioned with the whole thing.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Don't know what to tell you. I can't get that scared or excited about politics anymore. It's one big circus show with corporate overlords pulling the strings on both sides. I've become quite disillusioned with the whole thing.

Other than your apparent disdain for corporations*, you'd fit right in as a libertarian:DL I can see where you're coming from, though. I used to hold many of the same opinions you do until I became disillusioned with the system. The 541t just don't seem fair, does it? All this inequality isn't right. How does one ever justify a CEO making more than a hundred times what a line worker does? How does one justify any associated circumstance? How could a responsible person even allow such things to happen? You'd think some sense of human decency would compel them to redistribute their own wealth. How much does one freaking person or family need, anyway? From here, I could go on to further describe inequality but I think you have pretty much the same view.

IMO, you'd be pretty much on the mark (no pun intended) if everyone was as thoughtful and intelligent and compassionate as you. Problem is, they aren't. Without diving into human biology, evolution, sociology, and philosophy, you can see this, even if you don't know why. If you'll excuse the somewhat incorrect simile, I feel like an engineer explaining electronics or physics to a brilliant, yet decidedly optimistic visionary. The stuff just don't work that way. People like you don't get elected to office, and they don't make policies.

Before I go on, are you with me so far?


* - For libertarians, this is a case of misplaced blame. One cannot rationally expect a company or the people who comprise the same to do anything other than what is beneficial to themselves. That includes giving them the means to outlaw competition through licensures, quotas, and taxes.

[Sailor Steve]

When it comes to who's running the nation, I have to say, I dislike extremes. Extreme left is bad. Extreme right is equally bad. One part or another controlling congress and the white house is bad.

I wish this age of political extremism would go away. I want people who are logical, pragmatic, intelligent, informed, does not see the world as just black and white but also the shades of gray it really is, and can make decisions not based on faith, but on what is logical and prudent for the matter at hand. But since im dreaming big here, I also want said leaders with a sense of integrity who make decisions based on what is good the country, not for what is good special interests.

Said description doesn't exist in either party right now, and probably never will. I wonder if it ever has.
:yep::rock:

I can't add much to that. Good call.

[AngusJS]

The rally worked! America's honor has risen 35% in the last 24 hours, and continues to climb!

[Sailor Steve]

The rally worked! America's honor has risen 35% in the last 24 hours, and continues to climb!
An interesting 'statistic'. How do you determine that?

[The Third Man]

The rally worked! America's honor has risen 35% in the last 24 hours, and continues to climb!

Not on this board.

[frau kaleun]

An interesting 'statistic'. How do you determine that?

I'm betting some kind of Sarcasm Meter was involved. :O:

[mookiemookie]

Other than your apparent disdain for corporations*, you'd fit right in as a libertarian:DL I can see where you're coming from, though. I used to hold many of the same opinions you do until I became disillusioned with the system. The 541t just don't seem fair, does it? All this inequality isn't right. How does one ever justify a CEO making more than a hundred times what a line worker does? How does one justify any associated circumstance? How could a responsible person even allow such things to happen? You'd think some sense of human decency would compel them to redistribute their own wealth. How much does one freaking person or family need, anyway? From here, I could go on to further describe inequality but I think you have pretty much the same view.

IMO, you'd be pretty much on the mark (no pun intended) if everyone was as thoughtful and intelligent and compassionate as you. Problem is, they aren't. Without diving into human biology, evolution, sociology, and philosophy, you can see this, even if you don't know why. If you'll excuse the somewhat incorrect simile, I feel like an engineer explaining electronics or physics to a brilliant, yet decidedly optimistic visionary. The stuff just don't work that way. People like you don't get elected to office, and they don't make policies.

Before I go on, are you with me so far?


* - For libertarians, this is a case of misplaced blame. One cannot rationally expect a company or the people who comprise the same to do anything other than what is beneficial to themselves. That includes giving them the means to outlaw competition through licensures, quotas, and taxes.

I'm with you, and for as much doodie as I give you about it, I actually do respect and agree with a lot of libertarian ideals. But libertarianism can be as idealistic as anything else.

My disdain for corporations is not because of their self-interest. Indeed, if a corporation wasn't sociopathically self interested, it wouldn't make much money for its shareholders. My disdain comes from allowing them the power to direct and influence our government and laws as much as they do. Government and laws are made for the people. Not to protect and enhance a corporate bottom line. The founding fathers sought to limit corporate power and influence. Originally, their charters could be cancelled by the states if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm, they were banned from making any kind of political contribution or influencing the lawmaking process. It wasn't until the days of the big industrialists like Carnegie and Rockefeller that corporations started to truly exert their influence.

I find it offensive and the biggest threat to our personal liberties in this country that corporations can buy and sell laws and lawmakers at will.

[Alky]

I find it offensive and the biggest threat to our personal liberties in this country that corporations can buy and sell laws and lawmakers at will.
I'm pretty sure corporations aren't really in favor of "Cap & Trade", single payer health care etc., that's the progressive administration doing that.
I`ve never understood why the left is jealous about how much someone earns, how does that affect anyone else on a personal level? As long as a corporation makes profit, it hires people. If a corporation is punished through taxation and regulation, as if by magic they move to someplace more profitable or shut down altogether and thousands of people become unemployed. Personal liberties aren't under attack by corporations, think government! :cry:

[The Third Man]

Looks large to me.....

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100828/capt.fe35cc139c514e8885c1cf10a6200d8e-fe35cc139c514e8885c1cf10a6200d8e-0.jpg?x=400&y=266&q=85&sig=9sWboDumwxv_Q9ytTW4xOA--

[Tribesman]

The rally worked! America's honor has risen 35% in the last 24 hours, and continues to climb!

Once the honour has risen 50% they can gear up for taking the pledge as born again virgins

[UnderseaLcpl]

I'm with you, and for as much doodie as I give you about it, I actually do respect and agree with a lot of libertarian ideals. But libertarianism can be as idealistic as anything else.
Can it? Libertarian ethics and ideals stop at the end of your nose. All rights are neutral and negative. Maybe it's just me, but that sounds a lot less idealistic than some ideologies.

My disdain for corporations is not because of their self-interest. Indeed, if a corporation wasn't sociopathically self interested, it wouldn't make much money for its shareholders. My disdain comes from allowing them the power to direct and influence our government and laws as much as they do. Government and laws are made for the people. Not to protect and enhance a corporate bottom line. The founding fathers sought to limit corporate power and influence. Originally, their charters could be cancelled by the states if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm, they were banned from making any kind of political contribution or influencing the lawmaking process. It wasn't until the days of the big industrialists like Carnegie and Rockefeller that corporations started to truly exert their influence.

I find it offensive and the biggest threat to our personal liberties in this country that corporations can buy and sell laws and lawmakers at will.

Essentially, then, we are agreed. Heck, you half make my argument for me. Unfortunately, laws can and will be used to protect the bottom line so long as you allow such legislative power to exist. Even if we completely banned corporations from ever having anything to do with politics, they'd still be there as long as the power is there. They would mobilize through their employees and their customers, only moreso than they already do. Keeping a representative govenrmnent away from the interests of large groups of people, including corporations, is just plain impossible. Even if we somehow managed to completely eradicate corporations from the equation, we'd still be left with large numbers of people bound together in very distinct and self-interested groups seeking legislative power for the benefit of themselves, especially where their employment is concerned. And that's in a world where representatives can't be bought off by money, or votes, or publicity. Do you see what I'm getting at, here? Democracy is a paradox, or, to put it in more familiar terms, it is the tyranny of the majority.

You can't put corporations in a box and then seperate the box from society or democratic or representative governance. You're stuck with them so long as you believe in anything resembling equality of opportunity or human rights, because corporations are made of people.

The simplest and therefore most elegant solution is to just remove the power that like-mided interests seek to control. Without power, said interests must compete, and competition places power in the hands of the consumer and the common worker.

[The Third Man]

I guess clinging to God and firearms is a winner after all. Looking at the rest of the world, freedom to protect ones self and freedom of worship is a rarity.

The MLK speech invoked God 4x and Faith 5x, coming from an ordained minister involving himself in politics is seldom, if ever, criticised. Yet some are uncomfortable when politics and religion intersect.

[gimpy117]

It's a mockery to MLK if you ask me.

King taught peace, While Beck teaches calling everyone a nazi if you don't agree with them

[The Third Man]

It's a mockery to MLK if you ask me.

King taught peace, While Beck teaches calling everyone a nazi if you don't agree with them

I suspect Beck would take issue with that comment. But believe what you will.

MLK used God 4x and faith 5x in his speech. I think Beck is honoring MLK and wishing the same for every one.

[gimpy117]

I suspect Beck would take issue with that comment. But believe what you will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3J_QLtYqlk&feature=related

[The Third Man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3J_QLtYqlk&feature=related

Un=edited comments are always better than youtube. Watch his program on FOX.

[V.C. Sniper]

religion will be rendered completely irrelevant once and for all once the Technological Singularity arrives in a few decades or sooner

[yubba]

What do you think started the American Revolution ,in the first place, and the cause probably was a lot less than ,what we are going through. Wait till the government decides to bailout the Labor Unions pension plans with money we don't have. Make a dollar a day and they take 2 dollars out for taxes. How much are you going to let them take from you, before you snap. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO5y2O_hv3I&feature=related

[Takeda Shingen]

religion will be rendered completely irrelevant once and for all once the Technological Singularity arrives in a few decades or sooner

I don't know if it will be irrelevant, but I certainly agree that the next few decades will be very interesting along the science and technology front. Many in the field are predicting a major shift along the lines of the agricultural and industrial revolutions, resulting in a major shift in the way we live our daily lives. Fascinating, if just a bit scary.

[Tchocky]

People in fields always predict agricltural revolutions.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CVxm5d_3xFU/ShaCQm7vRRI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/Be4yotHrzNg/s400/Oppressed-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-591149_1008_566.jpg

[Takeda Shingen]

Help! Help! I'm bein' repressed!

[The Third Man]

I don't know if it will be irrelevant, but I certainly agree that the next few decades will be very interesting along the science and technology front. Many in the field are predicting a major shift along the lines of the agricultural and industrial revolutions, resulting in a major shift in the way we live our daily lives. Fascinating, if just a bit scary.

OOOoooooooo. Conspiracy by science.

[Takeda Shingen]

OOOoooooooo. Conspiracy by science.

Do you really want me to have another go at ya? Now, I've left you alone. I advise that you reciprocate.

[The Third Man]

Oh I see because you have left me alone, I need to agree with you? I'd rather you disagree with me and tell me so. It is more honest for a career academic. No?

[The Third Man]

Do you really want me to have another go at ya?

That sounds threatening. Is that Subsim policy? Threatening other members?

[Takeda Shingen]

Oh I see because you have left me alone, I need to agree with you? I'd rather you disagree with me and tell me so. It is more honest for a career academic. No?

Opinion has to have merit to be worthy. Otherwise, it's all flatulence in the wind. Kind of like nuking Berlin.

[yubba]

Wait till the government comes and takes your computor from you, and gives it to The Third Man, just spreading the wealth around man.

[Takeda Shingen]

Wait till the government comes and takes your computor from you, and give it to The Third Man, just spreading the wealth around man.

Yubba, the Third Man's gripe has nothing to do with politics. It's a much deeper hatred.

[The Third Man]

Opinion has to have merit to be worthy. Otherwise, it's all flatulence in the wind. Kind of like nuking Berlin.


You missed Munich and Frankfurt. Yes I said that but I didn't attack an individual, principly myself as you have.

[The Third Man]

Yubba, the Third Man's gripe has nothing to do with politics. It's a much deeper hatred.

Please tell me.

[yubba]

We all have our hobbies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa8YC0kzxXE&feature=related

[Takeda Shingen]

You missed Munich and Frankfurt. Yes I said that but I didn't attack an individual, principly myself as you have.

Who attacked who? I gave you a chance to back out, but you were persistent in attacking my character. Repeatedly.

[The Third Man]

As I recall the Takeda Shingen accused me of being someone else early on. Now he accuses me of some other crime, that I don't agree with him.:nope::nope:

[yubba]

I use to do a real good Columbo impersonation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa8YC0kzxXE&feature=related

[The Third Man]

I even tried to go along with Takeda Shingen on anouther thread. About Gay Republicans. But to no avail. Takeda Shingenhas it out for me.

[Tchocky]

I even tried to go along with Takeda Shingen on anouther thread. About Gay Republicans. But to no avail. Takeda Shingenhas it out for me.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CVxm5d_3xFU/ShaCQm7vRRI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/Be4yotHrzNg/s400/Oppressed-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-591149_1008_566.jpg

[The Third Man]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CVxm5d_3xFU/ShaCQm7vRRI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/Be4yotHrzNg/s400/Oppressed-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-591149_1008_566.jpg

See the repression?

[Takeda Shingen]

Please tell me.

You need a target. It's meta-trolling. I do not understand why you have such hatred in your heart. And by the way, I may agree with you more than you realize, but I find the way that you treat the people around here to be absolutely repugnant and unwarrented. Your individual attacks and mass-insults to the community at large are more self-destructive than anything.

You are right. I accused you falsely about a month or so ago. I was wrong, and it was completely improper for me to do so. It is something that I do truly regret. I also did PM you an apology, which you said you accepted. Clearly, this was not the case. I attempted to involve myself in your discussions. I did so respectfully to your opinion. You, in turn, proceeded to attack me personally. You then turned on a laundry list of others. Again, you demand respect, but give none. Then you complain that no one respects you.

Clearly, you do not care for my profession. I do not mean it with hostility, but I do not care. It does not bother me. Your hatred for me does not affect me. Neither does it affect Steve, frau, ETR, mookie, Neal, Sky or anyone else on this forum. It only hurts you, and I can see the pain through your words. Truly, it saddens me.

It is the Christian in me that wishes you well, which is why I have laid out what I have above. I have terrible regret for the way I treated you. I am known to have an excess of zeal from time to time, and a temper that I constantly work to control. It is no excuse. I think that you could very well enjoy your time on SubSim's GT board. I think you could be a great contributer to the discussions as other conservatives like Aaramike, August and Steamwake. These are good people, and I think you would do well among them.

I do not pretend to speak for the community here. This is soley one man's statement, and is fallible just as any other man's.

[The Third Man]

Wow!. I didn't realise how much you think yourself a power here, and need to defend that positition. I am very sorry that I made you realize yourself.

Perhaps we can get to a place where , if I don't confront your ideas, you can leave me alone. Sound familiar?



Loser!!

[Takeda Shingen]

Wow!. I didn't realise how much you think yourself a power here, and need to defend that positition. I am very sorry that I made you realize yourself.

Perhaps we can get to a place where , if I don't confront your ides, you can leave me alone. Sound familiar? Loser!

I meant my apology in the highest degree of sincerity. I am sorry that you do not accept it. It would appear that there is not much left to be said.

[gimpy117]

Un=edited comments are always better than youtube. Watch his program on FOX.

okay, well I don't see how he fancies himself a "civil leader". Even if those comments are out of context he's still No MLK. He's just a talking heads news man who does it for money.

[Konovalov]

He's just a talking heads news man who does it for money.
Or gold. :03:

[Aramike]

Kumbaya, my Lord, Kubaya...:shucks:

[Rilder]

He's just a talking heads news man who does it for money.

I'm not ruling Glenn out as a troll from /b/ :rotfl2:

[yubba]

http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/yoda.jpg Hi Glen Beck I am. Beware of the Dark Side of the Force

[The Third Man]

I meant my apology in the highest degree of sincerity. I am sorry that you do not accept it. It would appear that there is not much left to be said.

Sure there is more to say. The new young guys are here now and we want your tribute.

[mookiemookie]

Sure there is more to say. The new young guys are here now and we want your tribute.

Just let it go.

[SteamWake]

Thanks for hosing my thread...

Close please.

[yubba]

[QUOTE]Thanks for hosing my SteamWake] Sorry I am.

[The Third Man]

Thanks for hosing my thread...

Close please.

Post #4 hosed your thread. That is the:hmmm: 'man' :O: you should chastize.

[yubba]

In tribute I've been talking like Sean Connery most of the day got it mixed up with Columbo and Yoda now, messed up I is, ah ah and one more thing, before we sail into history.