View Full Version : Obama regime targeting "America's Sheriff"
Bubblehead1980
08-25-10, 02:12 PM
Not a new story but saw a story on it again yesterday, the Obama regime's "justice department" targeting Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, AZ for actually enforcing the laws against illegals and not treating jail inmates with kid gloves.Waste of time and money going after a good man and one of the few really good cops in America.
Obama will go after a great Sheriff yet not after the New Black Panther party, just wrong.
SteamWake
08-25-10, 02:20 PM
Your right its not news.
This is...
Feds moving to dismiss some deportation cases
Critics assail the plan as a bid to create a kind of backdoor 'amnesty'
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7169978.html
Got to look after those undocumented democrats after all. :haha:
The Third Man
08-25-10, 02:24 PM
It is one of the many things which Obama is/has done to erode his presidency. The Jimmy Carter analogy is very much in play, but Obama is a more malignant, metastasis human being.
Zachstar
08-25-10, 02:30 PM
He is not America's anything. He is but a Racist getting the attention needed to keep him and his goons from trying more crap.
mookiemookie
08-25-10, 02:36 PM
He is not America's anything. He is but a Racist getting the attention needed to keep him and his goons from trying more crap.
Arpaio is a thug and a pig. I'm enjoying watching him squirm now.
Takeda Shingen
08-25-10, 02:43 PM
He is not America's anything. He is but a Racist getting the attention needed to keep him and his goons from trying more crap.
I don't think he is a racist, but I always balk at the term 'America's ........', whatever it may be. America is, at it's core, a set of ideas and ideals. No one man is able to represent them. He's not my sheriff. The Cowboys are not my team. Etc.
SteamWake
08-25-10, 02:45 PM
and out comes the racisim card... that dident take long.
AVGWarhawk
08-25-10, 02:47 PM
I don't think he is a racist. What part of this sheriff leads you to believe he is racist? Because he enforces the law? If he was doing something wrong certainly everyone from Al Sharpton down would be protesting. If he was running above the law in what he is hired to do I would suspect his superiors would curtail what he is doing.
Bubblehead1980
08-25-10, 02:55 PM
lol yep here comes the race card.Anyone who takes action again ILLEGAL immigrants, those who are just breaking the law by being here, is racist when race is not even considered when enforcing the law here.Because of AZ's location most of the illegals they deal with are hispanic but have a feeling that if Arpaio was Sheriff in a state that borders canada and had an illegal problem, he'd do the same thing.Arpaio is not racist, the man is doing his job and obviously the citizens of his county approve.
http://www.greatsataninc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/BLM-Warning-Sign1.jpg (http://www.greatsataninc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/BLM-Warning-Sign1.jpg)
Aramike
08-25-10, 04:30 PM
Arpaio is a thug and a pig. I'm enjoying watching him squirm now.Please cite how.
If a zeal for enforcing law makes someone a thug and a pig, I shudder to think what you consider anyone else...
The Third Man
08-25-10, 04:37 PM
If the word is out that the US and it's people are so racist, biased etc. Why do people continue to want to enter this country?
Perhaps it is because the Euro's, Arab, Spanish, British countries don't provide the same freedom of upward mobility than Obama wants to extinguesh.
If the word is out that the US and it's people are so racist, biased etc. Why do people continue to want to enter this country?
yeah, cause the US is the only country imigrants go to :up:
not...
The Third Man
08-25-10, 04:55 PM
I don't know where you live but I will bring nothing to your nation. But I want your benefits. Please where do you live. I have $2.000 American to start.
I don't know where you live but I will bring nothing to your nation. But I want your benefits. Please where do you live. I have $2.000 American to start.
i guess it was too hard to look under location, right below my avatar ?
mookiemookie
08-25-10, 05:02 PM
Please cite how.
If a zeal for enforcing law makes someone a thug and a pig, I shudder to think what you consider anyone else...
Sending goon squads after journalists who are critical of him, being a unabashed publicity whore, destroying and witholding evidence, coverups of prisoner abuse, harassing political enemies with trumped up criminal cases...the list goes on and on. So yes, he's a thug and a pig.
Tribesman
08-25-10, 05:15 PM
So this is the idiot who was in trouble with the federal govt. long before Obama got into office.
He is in trouble apparently for abusing his authority delegated to him by ICE and breaking the rules that are backed by the constitution of those United States si in as suc he was exposing not only the county and the state but also the country to severe financial liabilities.
But hey he got a reality TV deal so he must be OK with the muppets on the idiot box:yeah:
The Third Man
08-25-10, 05:39 PM
Enforcing the law is now against the law. Our government is officially the enemy.
Yes, but when in enforcing law you also exceed the authority given to you by law and violate constitutional rights and ideals (and I dare say some of what I'd read about Arpaio's jail stands fundamentally against the bit on 'cruel and unusual punishments'), what does that make you?
Frankly I'm not all that against Arpaio's decisive enforcement, but I think giving him the card of 'America's sheriff' is incredibly dangerous. He needs, NEEDS to be absolutely checked and, when needed, criticized by those watching over him. I agree that he's achieved some important results, but he has always tread a very dangerous line between these results and human rights violations. You can't be America's anything if you step over human rights, simple as that.
gimpy117
08-25-10, 06:34 PM
america's sheriff? please.
Where in the Constitution that the liberals are using as a floor mat ,that illegal immigrants have rights.
Where in the Constitution that the liberals are using as a floor mat ,that illegal immigrants have rights.
I thought human rights were, by definition, afforded to all humans. Of course the same constitution originally used the same logic to look the other way on slavery.
Look, there's no question that the immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed. But you can't do it at the risk of dividing America between what boils down to humans versus not-humans (by virtue of not having rights to fair treatment). People like Arpaio walk a fine line and need to be kept in close check. Ignoring some political controversy surrounding him, you have to be very careful about his approach to meting out justice. One of the underlying ideals of American legal culture is due process and innocence-until-proven-guilty, and another is freedom from cruel and unusual punishment, and he treads far too close a line on those.
Platapus
08-25-10, 07:04 PM
Where in the Constitution that the liberals are using as a floor mat ,that illegal immigrants have rights.
The Constitution is only one source of our legislation. We are a nation governed by a Constitution, laws, regulations, and precedents, not solely by a Constitution alone. Please read Plyer v. Doe 457 U.S. 202 (1982).
Aramike
08-25-10, 07:46 PM
Sending goon squads after journalists who are critical of him, being a unabashed publicity whore, destroying and witholding evidence, coverups of prisoner abuse, harassing political enemies with trumped up criminal cases...the list goes on and on. So yes, he's a thug and a pig.So what do you think about the criminals?
even I could not resist...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qLYy6hiFQ
AVGWarhawk
08-25-10, 07:59 PM
Yes, but when in enforcing law you also exceed the authority given to you by law and violate constitutional rights and ideals (and I dare say some of what I'd read about Arpaio's jail stands fundamentally against the bit on 'cruel and unusual punishments'), what does that make you?
Frankly I'm not all that against Arpaio's decisive enforcement, but I think giving him the card of 'America's sheriff' is incredibly dangerous. He needs, NEEDS to be absolutely checked and, when needed, criticized by those watching over him. I agree that he's achieved some important results, but he has always tread a very dangerous line between these results and human rights violations. You can't be America's anything if you step over human rights, simple as that.
Yes but has he ever crossed the line? :hmmm: I stated this before...if he was crossing the line of civil right he would have a lawsuit slapped on him by Al Sharpton and co faster than you can say lickity split.
AVGWarhawk
08-25-10, 08:02 PM
Sending goon squads after journalists who are critical of him, being a unabashed publicity whore, destroying and witholding evidence, coverups of prisoner abuse, harassing political enemies with trumped up criminal cases...the list goes on and on. So yes, he's a thug and a pig.
He must be covered in teflon....seems nothing is sticking from this laundry list of things you have on him. :hmmm: Looks to me he is operating within the law.
BTW, you just about covered everyone in Congress with your list there. :up:
Aramike
08-25-10, 08:03 PM
People like Arpaio walk a fine line and need to be kept in close check.Now this is a statement I can agree with. And the "America's Sheriff" thing makes little sense to me, but it's certainly not an official title, so what do I care?
Like I said, I don't have any hard evidence either way - well, more that I don't really trust everything that I'd read from either side in this. Some of the first-hand stuff about his jail policies that I'd read is pretty stomach-turning, but obviously someone actually IN there is both a bit biased and on the wrong side of the law...
I'm not saying he crossed the line, just that keeping a sharp critical eye on him (by law as by independent civil people) should be absolutely right. Giving him grand titles risks giving him too much super-legal credence.
Platapus
08-25-10, 08:05 PM
What makes you think he has not had lawsuits against him?
Maricopa County has paid more than $43 million in settlement claims during Arpaio's tenure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa_County_Sheriff%27s_Office_controversies#c ite_note-East_Valley_Tribune-66
I am still looking for a non-wiki citation...
Aramike
08-25-10, 08:08 PM
What makes you think he has not had lawsuits against him?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa_County_Sheriff%27s_Office_controversies#c ite_note-East_Valley_Tribune-66
I am still looking for a non-wiki citation...I'm pretty sure that lawsuits against police figures are not exclusive to his county.
Platapus
08-25-10, 08:12 PM
I'm pretty sure that lawsuits against police figures are not exclusive to his county.
Did not say they were. This was in response to AVGWarhawk's comment about lawsuits against him.
mookiemookie
08-25-10, 08:14 PM
He must be covered in teflon....seems nothing is sticking from this laundry list of things you have on him. :hmmm: Looks to me he is operating within the law.
No.
He is currently the subject of FBI,[10] United States Department of Justice,[11] and Federal Grand Jury[12] investigations for civil rights violations and abuse of power, and is the defendant in a federal class-action suit for racial profiling.[13] - Wiki
Aramike
08-25-10, 08:14 PM
Did not say they were. This was in response to AVGWarhawk's comment about lawsuits against him.Gotcha. My bad.
Aramike
08-25-10, 08:15 PM
He is currently the subject of FBI,[10] United States Department of Justice,[11] and Federal Grand Jury[12] investigations for civil rights violations and abuse of power, and is the defendant in a federal class-action suit for racial profiling.[13] ...from the same politically motivated justice department that ignored voter intimidation from the Black Panthers, let's just say I don't assume their motives are pure.
AVGWarhawk
08-25-10, 08:17 PM
No.
- Wiki
Found guilty yet?
Bubblehead1980
08-26-10, 02:16 PM
Arpaio was dubbed "America's Sheriff" a few years back because his efforts to fight crime in his county made him stick out from other locals, the title was taken from his book "America's Toughest Sheriff".I believe one thing that made him notable was there was a push to build a new multi million dollar jail or addition to the existing one and he said no in order to save tax payers millions, he built a tent city.During the invasion of Iraq during 2003 when prisoners complained of the heat in the tent city Arpaio said "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents, have to wear full body armor, and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths."
There is no evidence of racial profiling and the groups who whine about this are typical Left Wing groups like Amnesty International, ACLU, ADL, La Raza etc They think the laws don't apply to those they represent.
Now the Obama Regime is on a witch hunt after the good sheriff because the voters, prob viewed as "those ignorant voters" by Obama and his "justice department" keep him around.
Sheriff Joe gets the job done, we need more like him.
If you aren't a citizen and you are here illegally you are a criminal {hence the word illegal} what part of that, can't you liberals understand. I know you are too busy praying to Allah. Secure the borders and get the illegals out. So when amnesty comes for the 10s of millions of illegals, guest what will happen they will go on welfare because, now they are US citizens ,and won 't want to work the crap jobs they use to do, they will become lazy americans.
frau kaleun
08-26-10, 06:02 PM
what part of that, can't you liberals understand. I know you are too busy praying to Allah.
:hmmm:
When did this happen? Mensch, I have really got to start reading those memos from HQ.
Tribesman
08-27-10, 03:29 AM
So when amnesty comes for the 10s of millions of illegals, guest what will happen they will go on welfare
But isn't the secret asteroid the illumitai at the south pole know about going to destroy civilisation which means there won't be any welfare system for the magic instant citizens to go on?
Maybe I missed that memo about illegal immigrants and the social security system surviving the global destruction as I was too busy praying to allah.:rotfl2:
Tribesman
08-27-10, 03:48 AM
Arpaio was dubbed "America's Sheriff" a few years back because his efforts to fight crime in his county made him stick out from other locals
Yet his efforts to fight crime make him stick out from the other locals in that their crime rates have not escalated in the same manner which Marciopas has.
His playing silly buggers by acting tough has led to a huge increase in crime.
I believe one thing that made him notable was there was a push to build a new multi million dollar jail or addition to the existing one and he said no in order to save tax payers millions, he built a tent city.
So he wants to save money, how much has his expenditure ballooned recently? Funny way to save the taxpayers isn't it, spending lots more of their money.
Sheriff Joe gets the job done, we need more like him.
So he gets the job done? well apart from managing to increase crime which as the job title suggests he should be aiming to decrease it.
Saving money for the taxpayer by spending more of their money and failing to do his job.
So what is left that he might get points for is the illegal immigrants.
Oh dear he failed there too and not only failed but now saddles the taxpayer with even bigger bills for them as well as throwing away both the federal taxes and state taxes that were spent getting his deputies trained and accredited
So Joe gets the job done not by getting the job done but by playing a populist campaign of self advertisement claiming he is really doing that which he fails to do
Snestorm
08-27-10, 04:34 AM
If the federal government didn't avoid doing their job, this would not have even been as issue.
As for the sherriff's performance, and use of tax money . . .
He is elected by, and answerable to the people of the county he serves.
Those people approve, or disapprove his budget, and actions.
If those people are not happy with either of the above, they are (and have been) free to fire him.
As for "America's sherriff". Wrong!
He is elected to serve the people of his county.
So what do you think about the criminals?
Your moving the goalposts (fallacy).:yep:
Aramike
08-27-10, 09:43 PM
Your moving the goalposts (fallacy).:yep:No I'm not.
He stated an opinion, and while I disagree with it, he is certainly entitled to it.
So for context I asked a different (albeit rhetorical) question.
In case you haven't heard, opinions on character aren't subject to objective rules of right or wrong. I disagree with mookie, but I do understand where he's coming from.
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